'This is not a concentration camp': Analyst Victor Gao on China's Uighur prisons
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- čas přidán 5. 08. 2024
- China's recent celebrations for its 70th anniversary weren't quite the public relations triumph they were supposed to be. Not with continuing protests in Hong Kong and fresh revelations about human rights abuses in the Xinjiang region.
In the largest internment of minorities since the second World War, China has locked up more than 1 million ethnic Uighurs in internment camps in the north-western region of Xinjiang. Recent weeks have thrown up even more evidence of these camps. Leaked Communist Party papers reveal amongst other things, instructions from the top on showing 'absolutely no mercy' in Xinjiang.
How does this week's guest, Chinese academic and lawyer Victor Gao, justify China's catalogue of human rights abuses and the continuing pressure on Hong Kong?
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The host is so rude to interrupt the interviewee! Even the Western countries can not guarantee their own people's human rights. So shamed!
I am han chinese. The main chinese ethnicity(91%). I can assure you that we are the only ethnicity oppressed. Every other 56 ethnicity can have more than one child. Only Han Chinese have one child policy. Other minorities have 20-40 extra points on every exam. We do not have genocide in china.
Many illegal immergrants come to china. Despite our low wage compared to usa. We have higher wages than our western neibours who come to china.
Could we get a Chinese journalist to interview a brittish or American senior politician in this way? Could be fun.
Can't think of one who speaks mandarin off the top of my head so no.
@@ericyang8746stupid answers 🤨
@@ericyang8746the white house speaker press conference does not allow China media to ask questions. Just for sharing….
I mean if you look at interviews of senior politicians the domestic journalists do it to them aswell
Show me a country that allow outside forces to go in to train the rioters and coordinate them to cause havoc, else you are just a hypocrite.
Search NED
CCP shill.
I see .... that the people are just unsatisfied with the government is not possible.
Because there is no rational reason to not like the Chinese government 😂😂😂 and protestors need to paid and trained by foreign forces because u can just love ❤️ Xi and the CCP.
Most Chinese even have a Xi jing ping Pyjama !!! Because they love uncle Xi so hard.
There is no possibility that someone doesn’t like him or his policies.
@@johanhirte9661 Being oppressed is a natural human instinct, like breathing and eating. Because Xi Dada loves his subjects so much, he provides for all these needs.
@@paulwally9007 CIA Shill
Interview won't let guest speak. Victor Gao did good job answering questions. When interviewer doesn't like answer he changes the topic or claims answer is not good. Or he tries but fails to bait the lawyer
Interviewer should answer his own questions instead... Coz Victor did not have the definite answers to many of the questions he asked....
@Ted Here's a brainwashed American
@Ted sick burn bro. Making jokes about an event that happened over 50 years ago.
? df
This interview ,was a pure embarrassment ,Tim was not interviewing but trying to push a certain agenda. One point that I gotten is , why should China from without just start putting it's citizens in concentration camp. Yah even to me it doesn't make an sense.
No terrorism in China for three years, man I m getting the impression that maybe China method of fighting terrorism is work.
For the last 19 years you create more terrorists in spite of the treasures and lives your poor into the middle east and ISIS still thrives. In Xingjiang, China's policy has made Xinjiang out of bounds to those who strive to teach the heretical brand of Islam: Kill, kill, then you will go to heaven and have so many beautiful brides. Now increasingly educated they know they have been had. That is why after 2016 there have been no more acts of terrorism.
@Teh Chuan @Adam Zhang
我是中国共产党的defender
但事实上中国对所有非新疆省份的地区完全隐瞒了新疆的情况，新疆再教育学校的403页pdf在Google上稍微深度搜索都能找到；我都看了，内容一部分是训练新疆官员的技巧、话术的，包括‘孩子在学校如果不声张可以让家人更快出来’；‘一旦传播出去影响不好，而且极难消除’等等，基本就是类似像军训一样的教育基地，然后强迫新疆的维吾尔族学员（成年人，主要20-40岁成年男性），学习基础中国话，唱赞颂中国共产党的儿歌，叠被子洗衣服、打扫卫生等技能，业余休闲可以画画（油画、水粉画、素描）；，再教育中心绝对不是集中营，准确的说，就是穿着便服的监狱（其实和中学生军训基地差不多，挺严苛还可以接受）；虽然很拙劣，但是这件事对中国大多数人民是正确的决定；CCP一直做着综合策略最正确的事
What a terrible host, if you are gonna bring someone over to ask questions let the man speak first then challenge him, hard to watch.
the host isn't allowing him to pin it on a Scape goat. brilliant
@@ars.hh23 You mean the host repeatedly not allowing the guest to fully make their argument without constant interruptions, an dishonorable and manipulative tactic used by many right-wing reactionaries (and even some on the left) to manufacture consent, by putting down your opponent's ability to fully make their case? You mean the host not allowing the guest to compare the situations of China to other countries, especially the ones most critical to China like the US and UK? Seems kinda sus, almost like he doesn't want people to use basic logic and knowledge in order to come to a correct and factual conclusion
@@burnoutcollectivist4660 exactly 👍
@@burnoutcollectivist4660 He is insinuating. He is condescending. He is moralizing. He is interrupting. He is making allegation after allegation in rapid fire so they uncritically stick in the viewer's mind. He works for the state media , disguised as a "public-service company"of a NATO country. He learnt, German and Russian, the latter very valuable in certain circles during the cold war. He started his career working for a news agency with known ties to British intelligence. Then later he worked most of his career in the state media, also currently disguised as a "public-service company", of another NATO country, the imperial country par excellence, and was ideologically trusted during the cold war by that state media to be sent to Moscow, from where, a year leater, he was expelled in a spy affair.
@@ivanmolero7829 His name is Tim Sebastian - seems that the older he gets, the more aggressive & unreasonable he has become of. LOL!
This guy ask a questioned and answer it himself
Sad but true
Listen before answering
This white people just want to give statement and accuse ...not asking question and interview
Only if this guy answered question
Is this an interview or an interrogation?
at least this Mr Tim guy think he is doing it, and for the good of the world, for justice, right? haha, so funny, i'm so proud of him
This is an interview. After the horror they have done to Uighurs and Hong Kong, why the reporter should be nice to him? Look at how he doesn't answer and beat around the bushes,
Maria: this interviewer isn't even interviewing. He's shoving allegations at him non-stop, and not wanting to discuss anything properly. Not even letting him finish his sentence properly.
@@_._._._._._._._._._._._._.____ He is insinuating. He is condescending. He is moralizing. He is interrupting. He is making allegation after allegation in rapid fire so they uncritically stick in the viewer's mind. He works for the state media , disguised as a "public-service company"of a NATO country. He learnt, German and Russian, the latter very valuable in certain circles during the cold war. He started his career working for a news agency with known ties to British intelligence. Then later he worked most of his career in the state media, also currently disguised as a "public-service company", of another NATO country, the imperial country par excellence, and was ideologically trusted during the cold war by that state media to be sent to Moscow, from where, a year leater, he was expelled in a spy affair.
@@ivanmolero7829 wow, that's a lot of history. Where did you dig all this up?
This interviewer is so unprofessional. He constantly antagonizes, interrupts and makes assumptions without listening. Yikes. Mr. Gao kept calm and presented his points well.
Put Mr GAO in that camp for a year and see if he still think it's not a concentration camp ! Lmao .
Interviewer is ultra professional .....
Doesn't waste time in listioning what is not supposed be relevant to his questions
@@pankaj12364 spoke like a loyal slave for his white master
The interviewer has a different agenda in doing the interview...boo thumbs down for you 💩
Very unprofessional interviewer I’d ever seen. It really sucks....
Not even 2 minutes in and I was already infuriated by his incessant interruptions.
Dude is interrupting him every 5 seconds, can't even finish what he is saying
The CCTV camera keeps crime low and cost of maintaining security low, I don’t see any issues with this, why is this an issue?
OMG, do you see CAMPS on maps?? Prisoning people because of freedom of speech such as " I don't like communism party"
You are out of context.
Because it will be misused when you have a dictatorship. All people with a high profile in the society are followed as they can influence people. So if you have 100.000 followers on Weibo than you can be sure the chinese secret service are having you on their radar. You will not be allowed to say anything critical about the government and if you do then your digital footprint will be erased. CCTV in China is definitely used for avoiding crime and for criminal investigation but it is indeed also used in order to suppress and make sure people are behaving in a certain way.
UV Gardener: Definitely you are. In my country we have politicians who are sharply criticizing the US president, their gun legislation and how they are dealing with foreign issues. These politicians can obtain US Visa just look like anybody else and they are not worried about “getting disappeared”
@UV Gardener "I was imprisoned in the United States for refusing to bow to "Ghod or Jesus"." - please provide evidence for your claims, thank you.
Which method of dealing with terrorism is better? The Chinese way which involves having suspects and supporters to be rehabilitated in vocational training schools ( gaining employment skills thereafter and removing hatred of infidels and irrationalism that were brought by religious radicalism) or the US way which involves bombing suspected hideouts or camps with missiles from drones or / and aiding religious radicals/extremists/ terrorists to fight against the legitimate government in Syria etc.
kchew1000 Yeah. US bombed other country for “terrorists”. China is rehabilitating extremists in its own land in peaceful way and yet got condemned by the West. What a double standard!
US way had failed and the trade world building go bust is the result of its failure, now wait and see china way.
Stop justifying your sick govt. The so-called reeducation is done in the vilest of ways, totally devoid of any compassion or thought for basic human rights. But then again, it is useless to argue with brainwashed citizens because they themselves are under tight control and supervision of the evil communist regime. You do not have access to information that your govt doesnt WANT YOU TO KNOW SO PLEASE GO BACK TO YOUR WELL and reflect on your confucian values esp the one that says treat others the way you want to be treated.
Zuraidah Ismail blaming china?
You've heard of the term "false dichotomy", right?
the interviewer wants the guest to talk about HK but doesn't want him comparing it with UK or US. isn't it the standard the HK people want, so why it's wrong to talk about it?
Because... Hong-Kong is located in China, and not in the US or UK? And the main subject of the interview is China, not the US or UK. #whataboutism
@@AMTFan1 then why show flag of US and UK and asking for compliance with the UK basic law.
I find the attitude of the interviewer sickening!
I find the attitude of the interviewer sickening!!
The US and UK are JEALOUS of China's progress and they are trying to turn other countries against China. SHAME on US and UK!!!
The host seems to be upset when the replies aren’t what’s expected and keeps interrupting his guest.
yeah the host seems to be of nobility, meaning a tyrant, whose children should go to Guantanamo and then I would be very grateful to hear his opinion hahahaha
Few people know that the US has a large population of about 5M under incaceration (prison). Their work program wage various ffrom $.1 to $.6 per hours compared to outside minimum wage of $13 per hour. Why are they criticising other countries ?
Mr. Sebastian interviewing questions were not for the purpose of understanding, rather they were judgemental accusations with an imperialistic condescending manner! His tone and attitude literally communicated to Mr. Gao, “Hey look, don’t argue with me. I am the boss here."
Exactly
these made in china trolls are of shoddy quality
And this has been their tyrannical make up from century's past. "Speak about the spirt lives on ". Evil and wicked the "Lire " "Leopold " too name a few . England. Treasonous acts against their kings abuse horrific atrocities. Listening too media reports are serious allegation if questioned. China could very well reverse the allegation however, they will meet very different results one being under the other. The use of force against peaceful nations in the end, never has it proven itself apart of humanity. ? "Force "
He is insinuating. He is condescending. He is moralizing. He is interrupting. He is making allegation after allegation in rapid fire so they uncritically stick in the viewer's mind. He works for the state media , disguised as a "public-service company"of a NATO country. He learnt, German and Russian, the latter very valuable in certain circles during the cold war. He started his career working for a news agency with known ties to British intelligence. Then later he worked most of his career in the state media, also currently disguised as a "public-service company", of another NATO country, the imperial country par excellence, and was ideologically trusted during the cold war by that state media to be sent to Moscow, from where, a year leater, he was expelled in a spy affair.
@@jirikrajnak9047how about them toilets in India? Any headway yet?
The British in Northern Ireland were extremely brutal in their crack down during the troubles.
That's also fact.
Cold blood murder by UDR were the norm in Ireland!
He will say, I am not talking about this you are evading me.
But no "we can talk about China in isolation" omg this interviewer istg 🙄🙄
just to be pedantic - "extremely brutal" is subjective and not factual, to be factual you'd have to tell us what the British did
Funny tim, he asked question, and then he answerd it by himself, without listening
The interviewer is very unprofessional.
So true
Tim is not funny, he is shameless!
Just tell this AH to interview himself. He used misinformation as if they are facts, and he does not know the places he is talking about.
TRUTH HURTS GUYS HAHA
The interviewer is not civil and accusatory. He sounds more like an activist. He should let who he is interviewing speak and let the listener decide.
This interviewer is just giving leading questions and then not letting the interviewer answer the question.
Because he can not answer for the true facts and try to distract to other subjects or lands.
The truth about Chinese crime is sooooo obvious, can not hide anymore.
Cant be help. Western media.
the nut brothers I bet you lost your mom in the all evil China. How can you be so sure then?
Altai TENGRI and you are either brainwashed or simply don’t bother find out about the truth.
well done victor! very biased interview who refuses to admit to how US and Britain and other western nations are dealing with people when there is terrorist attacks, gun fights, riots and etc. double standards to the max.
And? What china is doing is wrong and that stands on its own, regardless of whether the west is also doing wrong
Its western media 😂😂
@Water & Sky True, but I was talking about the reeducation camps, not riot control
@Water & Sky Then why would they be opposed to an independent investigation?
@Water & Sky Oh I didn't know that. No It doesn't have to be a westerner haha, I'm not sour. What about all the claims of beatings? Are they all false?
No ,I don't like a interviewer constantly interrupting his interviewee emotionally . I know you hate CCP , But It's professional not to interrupt your interviewee
This kind of host is exactly the reason why China has censorship, actually most educated Chinese people become more pro CCP after exposed to western media
This interviewer is infuriating. Exactly the problem with people in this world.
Tm Sebastian was so emotional under the feeling of Gutmenschentums ！
agree
It's just hypocrisy when you accuse someone of wrongdoings and not allow people to talk about your own wrongdoings.
Such double standards!
he's not a representative of the UK government. He isnt there to debate about the UK, the UK has done "countless" wrongs i can say but that isnt relevant to the conversation - the interviewer only has a certain time period to talk
@@cantripleplaysthen stop accusing china if your own country is doing the samething.
This guy's interview strategy makes me trust the one being interviewed instead.
So true the interviewer was being straight up rude and like the interviewee said, bringing his own opinions and preconceptions into the interview
Lol the Chinese (CCP) response to everything wrong in their country, look at your own human rights abuses. You can’t point out anything wrong with China until your country is perfect.
@Emperor Xi im not sure what any of that has to do with ccp locking up uighurs for ethnic cleansing and brain washing.
xanthony00 not sure why are we bringing up human right abuse anyway when it is a matter of fact how rude the anchor is
@@jeffbeasto3198 the point is human rights are more important than one's perceived politeness.
The interviewer is too emotional. It painful to watch.
Should he be happy when people are being mistreated? 😑
@@adlerzwei Be a professional. There is always two side of a story. Investigate instead of grievance about it.
@@adlerzwei He did not even allow his interviewee to finish his sentence...... He could definitely be emotional afterwards and we all know his political attitudes towards Beijing. I click this video to see how a Chinese lawyer will respond to his questioning, just to find those responses unfinished. 🙃
@Lily Shanti Want express emotion go to the stage and a sing a song . This is an interview that clarifies stories. His emotion shows bias toward the lawyer. The lawyer has clearly state its action is proceeding by law & order.
@Lily Shanti The CCP are emotionless machine, so they think everybody is like that.
It’s not an interview, the interviewer kept interrupting and trying to prove his own point of view and wanted Mr. Gao to agree with him, otherwise he jumped to another subject, expressing his own point of view again. Why he just have his own speech and say what he wanted to say! Did the British government give HK people the right to vote for the governor when they ruled HK?
"law and order" is an interesting phrase, Donald Trump uses it too. Not sure exactly what it means, seems too ambiguous to be used to say anything meaningful.
@@magicw7338 LAW and Order
When VG tried to talk about other countries, I don’t understand why the host wouldn’t let him. VG wasn’t trying to distract the audience, he was trying to say that how to handle terrorism isn’t the issue of the Chinese alone; other countries arent handling that well, so why should China do otherwise and maybe expect it to be worse? He was also trying to say the Chinese way is better than the US / UK.
when you start talking about others, you are not answering the question.
Example,
Q: Why did you leave the door open?
A: Let's look other people who left the door open..
That is why the interview doesn't allow the interviewee to change the focus of the dialog away from the question
@@ExploreLearnEnglishWithGeorge The one answering is just asking why the double standard, but he also proceeds to answer the question. Only, the interviewer wouldn't let him answer or keeps on interrupting with accusations all over the place.
The interviewer asks a question but before the chinese guy can finish answering he is hit again by another question/accusation so the interviewee stops answering the 1st question and tries to answer the second, but then he would be hit again with another question, and so on. It's like the interviewer listed down a number of questions and tried to browbeat the interviewer by firing those questions and not allow the other guy to answer them.
@@rap3208 exactly
@@ExploreLearnEnglishWithGeorge the interviewer doesnt even let Gao finish the analogy bruh. How can you say its irrelevant without hearing the whole argument
The British didn't let much of a democracy in HK in its 150 years of overlordship. So stop lecturing the Chinese how to run the it.
Frankly speaking, HK and the british cantonment on the mainland were run exactly like a dictatorship until the brits have to remove its flags in HK. To now doing its best to preach to China about democracy only after having to return it to its rightful owner smack of low class and shameless hypocrisy.
As always, it's another interrogation by the BBC.
Bet he wouldn't do it with an Israeli Zio on the suppression of Palestinians, or the US on Guantanamo prisoners held without trial & abducted from their home country.
its actually DW
@@spidermann1256 he did that he has an episode 4 years ago u can watch it
@@spidermann1256 it is true that most countries violate human rights on a daily basis and one of the reasons china is getting so much coverage is because they are considered a threat to the uk and the us etc. But u cant argue the fact that what's going on in china, especially Xinjiang is horrific and needs to be stopped as soon as possible.
@@spidermann1256 As a Chinese I will tell you DW is already 100000 times less prejudice than CNN/ FOX/ MSNBC/ China Uncensored
America mainstreamed media is Truely disaster. And they are the one who brainwashed American people.
While Chinese Media is a Pro-Gov, Pro-China, Pro-CCP[Chinese media actually talk very little about CCP. But Chinese Media will never tell the half Truth, They always tell the Fact without prejudice perspective or induce.
CCP has 80000 thousands members, and most of the member is our father mother, out sister and Brother, our children and grandchildren, CCP is a Communist Party, this is the biggest lie in the 21st centry. CCP is actually Chinese Civiliazation Party trying to revive Chinese culture and civilization]
I laughed when the interviewer talked about fixed seating and stations.. that's very normal in asian schools, we are all given fixed seatings throughout the year.
You can't be objective without understanding the other culture. It's two different systems with two way of handling the matter.
That's why western children learnt nothing compared to chinese students. Do as you like method, get all spoiled kids. No wonder kids in HK destroyed everything their forefathers set up !
@@leealvin6820 I disagree, there are good schools in both systems.
@@intothemoat ya i agree both educational systems have pros and cons but china has its own thing n it shld be respected
It's the same in US school. You got the same seat
yes fixed seat is normal in Malaysia as well.
Tim Sebastian is a great interviewer with very critical and interesting questions, but I seriously would have liked him not interrupt the person being interviewed all the time. Not letting the other person finish and shouting is not the way to win an argument. Neither is it a good interview.
I agree. this interview doesn't have much informative value. It just a person depricating another person, so that the targeted audience can feel good about themself
I think I get your point of view. I fact I've commented before on it. But I would say that, when ur interviewee is a Chinese official that keeps dodging questions and justifying their evil means with other countries' evil means, it is an appropriate method to extract the truth.
u need to be a bit aggressive or u wont be abble to get answers from a liar.
@@kudo6129 that is your and the interviewer's assumption. can you tell me what is he lying about?
@@zeni.7 Confirmation bias in operation.
This is not an interview, this is an interrigation. Shame on the biased media.
This guy is not an "interviewer". Everything he asks something Victor Gao answers and gets cuts off. Both sides are well prepared. Victor Gao kept his cool and presented himself well from persistent cut-offs each time he tries to answer a question and faces a barrage of further questions. "Interviewer" is actually a professional "Interrogator".
can't agree u anymore
Freedom to bomb as religion right? 911 bro? What is us right to invaded Afganistan?????
Why you conduct the interview in the first place if you’re going to answer every single question asked by yourself?
Victor is brilliant. I saw him on another news programme with an Australian presenter as well. He comes across as very well informed and intelligent, and a very polite and respectful man no matter how rude the interviewer is. I wish our own politicians came up to this standard.
Victor handled that like TomHagen.
Thank you for the dinner and a very pleaseant evening.
Victor Gao is a liar, an honest journalist would have difficulty to interview a CCP mouth piece. I know Hong Kong's situation pretty well. The CCP disqualified all the pro democracy candidates for the city council, so the Hong Kong election is a joke. In addition, only the CCP hand picked 3 candidates can run for Hong Kong top executive, and the great majority of members of the election body are hand picked by the Chinese government as well.
@@mingkao1 There are foreign interests trying to create disruption and put pressure on the CCP via Kong Kong. I heard the schools & colleges over there are sometimes owned by institutions of foreign origin, like US/UK who are brainwashing the students and this is why they turned so violent, which is uncommon in China in current times. I do not know the details of the disqualification of some of the candidates so I can't really comment there.
@@mingkao1 You may have a point;after watching half a dozen Gao interviews his tactics become painfully obvious.
Victor Gao is a propagandists for the CCP and thus should never be trusted on his words. Xi Jinping and the CCP are all corrupt brutal criminals against their own people or they would be afraid of the white paper movement and open information as to what is happening in China.
China cannot have censorship but America/Britain can. China cannot have these detentions but America can have Guantanamo. At least China is educating them instead of waterboarding them like America.
The interviewer may have been told off by his boss after interviewing that Hong Kong girl. Western media always have something negative to say whatever Beijing do. Double standard. Twisting facts. Verbal hegemony. If you are not prepared to listen why interview? Call it interrogation. I support Victor!
@hans haslang Yes, if I have to support a party on this planet. And the Chinese system if I can choose.
@hans haslang He's an apologist for cruelty, murder, terror and the involuntary separation of innocent families.
“No country, either Britain or the United States, would tolerate the level of violence in Hong Kong” damn this video aged like a fine wine. All of 2020 was pandemic lockdown while little to nothing is done about mass violent protests in the US. Then we have the issue at the capitol and suddenly it’s wrong and unacceptable. Figures
Free Uyghur
@@user-ni7hm3ry8o Free America
"issues at the capitol"-Attempt to overthrow a democratically elected government. Good to see the Trumpists gaslighting still.
I can understand the interviewer wanna sharp and juicy conversation. To be honest it is not comfortable to listen to him, as he does not care a bit about the answer, but more behaved like a prosecutor, to what happened in another country he might have not ever been.
Well, that's why it's called "Conflict Zone". It's meant to provoke, not less. It's not supposed to be a "normal interview".
He is like a frog in the well. My corner in the well is the best place to be in.
Wang it is not about being comfortable but about a state not misusing its population.
@@whatsgoingon92 Even conflict should be based on the FACT. The FACT we Chinese people are living. Not some materials from nowhere!
Well, in Germany, the Bund and the police wouldn’t tolerate the level of violence displayed in Hong Kong. I’m 💯 sure about it.
British government and police wouldn't tolerate it eigher,
The police is forced to intervene in Germany and mostly they are more restricted compared to the Chinese Police.
The most important though is what happens later in court. People in Germany mostly have a good chance to be judged by their true actions and the damage they inflicted, while in China it's considered to be an inflicted damage if someone speaks up against the CCP with draconian and often unjustified torture.
@@schubi128 💯
It's a bit offtopic, but has anyone seen this video "Uyghur Teens FORCED to skateboard, get tattoos, drink alcohol! | I went to Xinjiang p5" by youtuber 'numuves', who went to Xinjiang and actually talked with the people on the ground? I live in Berlin and when I saw the video of these Uyghur youngsters hanging around and skating inside the entrance area of that shopping center (that was still open and frequented), I immediately thought of what would happen in a similar situation in Berlin: Within seconds you would have a LOT of trouble with the security, especially when having a non-white migration background, and not seldomly the police would come and give you a "Platzverweis" (don't know the correct translation), meaning that you are not allowed to stay there including the surrounding area for a specific period of time (one week for example). Not to speak of the fact that such situations tend to escalate very fast, and especially the Berlin police is well-known for being quite racist and easily irritated, and it's always better not to encounter them alone (in order to have a witness in case something happens). Anyway, I still don't get it how these Uyghur kids are allowed to do that, while every second Uyghur in Xinjiang (according to the latest estimate) is supposed to be in a concentration camp. And where is the Chinese Gestapo btw? Already at the Chinese Gestapo after work party?
The Supreme Court has ruled that the Chagos Island population in the UK cannot go back...and the island of Diego Garcia is now a military base for the Americans. So when will the Chagos islanders get justice as compared to China's rehab program..????
And many could live a normal life after rebah. The west has a way to make up stories. We have seen many of these lies during the HK riots.
at the end of the Interview...."the cameras were still rolling" T.Sebastion ...through away his spectacles...?...Victor Gao...was wiping his forehead....in the larger..learned people never be tempted by others...to explain very learned issues..for me...Victor Gao was very calm profession man in this interview.
Why... Do... You... Use... So... Many... Dots
He was brain washed..if you love china please migrate to China. You can lead a happy life there
@@aransamus1696 Why don't you just research the use of those three dots, perhaps you'll be educated on how to use them. Fergus overuse it but they really have a use in writing...in writing well.
I am so disapointed with DW. TIm is not qualified as a host of any political program. He himself is an extremelist.
The host just want to say and listen what he want.
why, because he doesn't accept tu quoque fallacies?
The UN Human Rights Council backed China's enactment of their National Security Act in H.K. In addition, note that 53 UN Member countries voted in favour of China versus 27 opposing Members. Please take note of this fact!!! By way, almost all Western nations have their own National Security Law too.....wake up Interviewer! Please don't harp on the Basic Law (Hk)...if the Anti China factions in HK broke these Laws, they have to be modified accordingly
Because they bought it with money and not confidence.
Did u not ser what demonstraters did in hk, destroying business n properties?
This was a poorly executed interview by Tim. Policies / politics aside- Victor bested him.
hollywood23007 👎🏿👎🏿👎🏿👎🏿
i differ
Victor Gao answered none of the questions directly. How did he bested him? Can you verse his words to me.
Great interrogator, he should be employed in Guantanamo. In this crazy world dominated by US, many western nations gave themselves the role of judges and executioners. In this aspect imperialism and colonialism still exists under the disguise of democracy and human rights. What should China do when history is written by victors, ride along? If China followed the same US's war on terrorism policy, they would have simply bombed Xinjiang in the name of western values, why bother with reeducation? In 2018 US bombed a Uighur camp in Badagshan, Afghanistan, Does it mean that Uighur extremists are terrorists only outside China? It's ok for Uighur extremists to attack innocent civilians in China, but not when they fight US troops in Afghanistan?
DW should watch CGTN if it's neutral.
A rebroadcast would be easier
DW is filled with anti Chinese
@@fleyua7176 completely agree with you chap.
Shame of his education of journalism
@amannisa oigur how to confront the credulous nature of someone?
@amannisa oigur ,
How to confront a propagandist of a million lies?
amannisa oigur The lies about incarcerations is now elevated to MURDER!
Tim: (when he is not happy with the answer) I am not asking that. Or, interrupt directly without letting the interviewee finish his answer. (This has been pointed by several interviewees over the year and he never listened. He only buys aggressiveness. Otherwise, there is no way for interviewees to express their ideas.)
Well, What a brilliant qualified interviewer with all his own opinions for every question that he has asked. Why not just take all the questions on his own? Why need he an interviewee sitting in front of him?
Asking sharp questions and being bias are completely two things. Distinguish the difference, old man. Offering your ears and being polite won't affect you to ask sharp questions.
just because he is old he thinks he can be rude when he wants. It's an attack not interview, but that is probably the agenda of his employer
cant agree more with you! hes trying to impose his own ideas down the throat of the interviewee. what "brilliant" interrogative skill he has!
It's not supposed to be a normal interview though. It's supposed to be more of a discussion, trying to challenge what the interviewee says
What a misery.,why not take all the unhappy Hongkonger to UK. Sure the bright Hongkonger can do someting good for BRITAIN.
This aged like fine wine. And they came to britain and started being landlords exploiting brits for a living :D
Tim, you are arguing about Hong Kong & China. Can you remember what your government did to Nelson Mendela. So stop meddling in other countries's affair.
Last time british and Chinese were this intense, the Opium Wars broke out.
Contrast that time with now. At that time the British had the technological advantage. That no longer is true.
I think the interviewer is just trying to trigger Mr. Gao, so he can tell something that could be captured and it could be fermented into something else.
Wait, let me guess. This was not an interview, just two men are arguing with each other. Is this high school?
The interviewer made it what it was. Mr Gao was calm and collected until he had enough of Sebastian's frequent interruptions and false accusations.
And you buy into China's lies?
Wow. No
@@TonkaJay There's no China lies here. However there are bunch of ClA lies phrased into the Qs.
@A.A. Sommerkamp-Homann yes because the west totally doesn’t demonize anything that threatens their power, the NED totally didn’t admit to funding the camps, and Col Lawrence Wilkerson totally didn’t admit to using ughyurs to create unrest in China
Victor Gao is too polite (like an oriental gentleman) while the interviewer is too rude
Why doesn't the interviewer interview the Israeli prime minister regarding the rights of Palestinians living in the west bank and Gaza who are under Israeli control for more than 56 years with no rights.
Western human rights is selective based on their interests. Hypocrisy as clear as it gets.
compared to the double digit Wars of Reeducation the US have launched in the mIddle east, I'd say the alleged camps are very moderate in comparison.
7:30 everything he read was proposed in 2014, but that proposal for election reform triggered the occupy central movement, which directly caused this riot in 2019.
Beijing did keep its promises, in allowing the election of the Chief executive through universal suffrage, upon nomination by a broadly Representative committee. But the rioters disagreed with the nomination process, because a small minority of the Hong Kongers who controls the local media like Jimmy Lai wanted an openly separatist Chief executive in office. the nomination committee was a safeguard against that.
the election reform was hijacked by the minority separatists from the start.
so that makes it ok
@@bsksakskksks938 of course it does, how else can you eliminate terrorism from lsIam? China has the unfortunate case of having a sizable musIlm minority occupying a specific region of China who is very open to radical lsIamic ideas, so it's either this or allow the region to become a terrorist training camp.
Well said
obsidianstatue ! The Chief E. Officer directly voted by Hong Kong people will show to the world , that it is an independent State....This method will not be permitted at all !
Victor Gao, you had done a very good interview, you have my support
What ever happens, will happen - Victor Gao the political genius haha
Double faces
Guys, its called "conflict zone". If you have watched another episode, you will find Tim is always arguing on the other side. Most of the people are thinking interview is about "understanding your interviewee by stepping into his shoes", but conflict zone is using an opposite way. It believe anger can trigger true beliefs. The whole point of conflict interviews is to release truth at the end of the argument. And I love the way that channel is doing it. Of course it could make people feel uncomfortable for the reporter is "not kind", but just for me, I enjoy the argument a lot.
@Hanru Zhu wisest comment ever !
I couldn't agree more! You won't get the truth entertainment someone's ideological brainwashing. You have to push their buttons.
It's hard to watch how the guy being interviews can't even finish a sentence even if it's conflict zone at least let him speak?
@gaminglegend25 Yes i have been in many arguements before. I watch debates on CZcams on channels like Daniel Dumbrill where they debate in a more civilized manner
You're not answering the question.
Pls answer the question
How many times?? Bomb them. We still got their take-aways open here
How come the West cares so much about Uighur but not palestine people? Or do they really care at all?
I really wish Mike Wallace was still here doing these interviews instead of this guy :(
Mike Wallace was a joke.
This reporter really us good.
@@uyangabattulga9653 how is he good? He's jumping from one point to another, without covering the topics in detail. And his position is absurd, covering almost every question with allegations, and to top it off, he's actually very rude and disrespectful.
@@_._._._._._._._._._._._._.____ He is insinuating. He is condescending. He is moralizing. He is interrupting. He is making allegation after allegation in rapid fire so they uncritically stick in the viewer's mind. He works for the state media , disguised as a "public-service company, "of a NATO country. He learnt, German and Russian, the latter very valuable in certain circles during the cold war. He started his career working for a news agency with known ties to British intelligence. Then later he worked most of his career in the state media, also currently disguised as a "public-service company", of another NATO country, the imperial country par excellence, and was ideologically trusted during the cold war by that state media to be sent to Moscow, from where, a year leater, he was expelled in a spy affair.
Why is this journalist interviewing an expert's opinion when all he wants to do is give his own ill informed opinions??? DISLIKE!
So annoying. To think that Tim is already so old and he would be a bit wiser but nooooo... If I were the interviewee, I will just reply no to all his questions since he is not even listening
Why are the citizens of Hong Kong are waving the U.S. and U.K. flags, when Hong Kong have its own flag?
Sherman Peabody Because according to Trump, he had to ask Xi not to annihilate HK in 14 minutes? That’s why.
The Dark Hand of the failing American Empire is at work via CIA, NED and NDI.
To piss off whiney the poo
Mate if you are not using ur brain 🧠 to analyze things then you're just a zombie believing what Anglo media tell you 😁😁😁😂😂😂😂
@@tailslapexplore6887 Same goes for those just mindlessly following Chinese media
Have you heard of any challenge from DW on the humanity disaster in Gaza in October 2023?
Victor Gao makes a lot of sense. The interviewer is just doing meaningless "gotcha" stuff.
Interviewer: China bad bad bad bad bad bad. West good. China bad bad bad bad
@@nelsonk1341 Victor Gao asks what China should do if parents refuse to allow their children to attend school (and thus prevent them from learning to read and so on). The interviewer blithely ignores the point. In Germany, the country where this show is produced, the penalty to not sending your children to school is prison time.
This old heck interviewer are not talking sense, accusation without real facts,,!
My dad , a University professor, and his brothers , finished .....
@@nelsonk1341 China is bad . U will never understand
why was a westerner so concern about hong kong situation after british took over it for 150 years unlawfully and demand china to stick to westerner rule of engagement?
make it simple, every chinese should be able to do whatever they please because hong kong belong to china! because Chinese can! as simple as that.
Has anyone been able to produce evidence of "genocide" in Xinjang?
Tim Sebastian, came with an agenda, to brow beat GAO. This was not an interview.
GAO did a great job even though Tim made it’s difficult to finish a whole sentence
Love how this interviewer changes tack so quickly when things aren't going his way. That's what emotional people DO when they are losing an argument, they change the topic.
"let's talk about the bookseller in 2014...." " if you want to talk about specific issues, let's talk in detail..." "let's talk about other issues..." lol, topic changer master.
@@jiapusun7718 and the interviewee said he wants to talk about those events but in greater details which they don't have enough time for it.
Love how your comment hasn't aged well.
@@TonkaJay its aged well
@@cuthelar7453 it has not. China has been shown to be way worse.
Ask yourself this question: Is human lives and law and order are more important or Human rights is more important? If your family members, your people are being killed, your properties burnt down, do you not lock those violators up while waiting for trial? Or do you set them free because of "human rights"?
It s wonder Gao kept his cool
He thought he can bully the Chinese but he failed miserably 🤗
No one is trying to bully China. Just wanna call out China for bullying Hong Kong and Uyghurs. Why can't you see that! Like all the questions were legit and none of the questions were answered properly.
why this german interviewer is so agitated?? At his age, he should know that it decreases his credibility exponentially. Sir, relax, no one is attacking you. The Chinese gentleman is answering your questions in a very meaningful manner, he is not attacking you. Are you so angry because the Chinese gentleman does not give you answer you want to hear, or because he is in control and you are not?
Hahaha....Westerners were such shameful people who for more than 200 years pilfered and murdered some many millions of people of different races in different countries. How dare this old "white" man called the Chinese government as shameful!! If he had been properly educated in International Affairs, History and Journalism he wouldn't dare say that !!!
@A.A. Sommerkamp-Homann Yes I understand a confrontational style is necessary but Tim never allows Victor Gao to finish or elaborate on his accusations which is frustrating for the viewers. I want to hear Gao's views, not Tim's.
This is also typical BBC style as Tim also interviews for the BBC but he is less belligerent there.
@A.A. Sommerkamp-Homann Crime against humanity. Hearing that from a westerner is enough to make us up chuck.
Is it an interview or a confrontation?
It needs to be a confrontation because China is ran by evil.
@@TonkaJay Who decides what's evil? The USA? The UK?
An interview
@@nc6379 so China put millions of people in a concentration camp and taking away freedom of Hong Kong. Threatening Taiwan. Claiming South China sea as theirs. Commiting cultural genocide in Inner Mongolia, Xinjiang, Tibet. And are you really asking who decides what is evil?
Let me answer you: COMMON FREAKING SENSE
@@uyangabattulga9653 Someone’s brainwashed
Talk about poisoning the well, right at the start.
This is an interrogation. Not an interview. If U want a debate, call it a debate and divide equal time.
Yeah the interviewer keeps interrupting the guy. I think he does it on purpose cause it not really an interview, he just wants to throw accusations unopposed and pretend it's an interview.
@@tomtube1012 Tim also interviewed Ronny Tong, HK Executive Councilor. Ronny is a barrister-at-law. Ronny told him off that he's rude and won't let the interviewee answer and speak. Watch both interviews and you can form your conclusion about this "interviewer".
Wth?!
Can that old man let Victor Gao speak?
I wanna listen to his explaination...
Good on you Mr. Victor GAO! This interviewer was extremely rude !
17:40 these “client states” include Saudi Arabia, Qatar and UAE. Some might say they are American client states
They are American client states.
When Hong Kong was a British Colony was there any political party ? The Governor of Hong Kong was elected by the people of Hong Kong or appointed by the British Government ?
This interviewer is scandalous
Very aggressive interviewer trying to force his own point of view but not listen to the answers or other points of view.
He is just right
refer back to the great Statesman that once graced you with:
"why do you start with an assumption, that your interviewee is always dumb"
CCP shill. What's your real name? Zhang?
@@paulwally9007 CIA shill
lee kuan yew !!!
why do you assume that Asians are somehow unable to understand the Western ways of life? And that they will be so much better if they would become more like westerners. Don't just pluck a few words, toss it at me and expect me to crumble.
@@daniellian3690 Asians do, China specifically doesn't. Subtle difference. After all, isn't Taiwan Asian? They totally understand western ideals.
So the basic laws applies to Hong Kong which has nothing to do with this interrogator, but does not apply to UK or US or any other Democratic Nations. WOW, such wisdom
Ang mo, which countries don't blocked news?
Who's involved/encouraged created this protest in Hong Kong, to begin with?
America and Great Britain, I mean once great Britain.
The CIA
This guy doesn't know how to interview. Even before the interview he shows he is unprofessional.
What´s the name of the MI-6 "journalist"?
After 2047,those who does not want can go elsewhere. Mr journalist are you forced to work at DW?
It looks like Mr journalist will like to impose the type of governance in China. Did this journalist also question any US person about Quantanamo prison or the treatment the CIA inflicts on those it arrests in war zones?
He wouldn’t be here now if he did
These western anchor so shameless when they talk human rights😅
Whatever China says it's not, it actually is. Whatever they say it is, it's not. Very sad.
I think you are just talking about the interviewer
Why bother to attend an interview where the interviewer already has a preconceived opinion of China and is seeing things through his tainted lens?
Tim has no idea about HK, after 2047, HK will back to the what happened from 1840 to 1997, a named Beijing officer will be the mayor of HK as British named governor.
Can that old man let Victor Gao talk?
I wanna listen to his explanation..... Mr Tim, if you cant interview, don't do it.. please!
Mr S's method of interview is really weird, hard to stomach.
Because he exposed your cruelty?!
Yes the interviewer was very unprofessional.
Let Gao speak. Why this reporter interrupted him? Loud voice doesn’t mean you are right. And the bookstore people were arrested when them came in mainland china. Not kidnapping.
It's apparently the only interview style of this journalist has to offer, just compare this with other videos in the "conflict zone" series.
Tim also did not know that the Booksellers were part of an illegal gang poking fun at Chinese leaders with salacious pornography . They broke the law in HK and fled to various Asian countries to escape justice. They were not kidnapped.
One was captured and brought to China to stand trial because he was wanted for a drink drive incident in which a girl was killed.
The interviewer is nasty and keeps on putting his views instead of listening to the answers. He is bent on proving he is right.
Everyone with a chinese name in the comments condemning the interviewer🤔
@@dequanmsealey1356 Check again, you with kindergarten mindset, I am British.
🤣🤣🤣
@@dequanmsealey1356 You're wrong, I'm American