Considering that this was for the high school version of the musical, I think it fits but in a different manner. Blue is raunchy but it’s more geared towards adults and mature audiences so it makes sense. Yeah there is a sense of uncomfortableness but it is still a funny song. You’re Welcome is much different. The message is supposed to be made clear for high schoolers who are about to be adults. Sexual assault is not funny and should not be seen as funny. Both songs work for their respective versions and I think they should be appreciated.
I agree with you but I think I like this version better. Cause in You're Welcome it shows sexual assault as what is us, scary and wrong. But in Blue the boys sing it like if they were caught they wouldve just said "boys will be boys" And though I do love blue I think this song more fits the tone of what's happening, they are predators even though they're in high school. And I think what makes this one so scary is that many people have the mindset of they guys in this, "you should be happy I want you so shut up" kind of thing.
Dont feel that Blue is about rape or sexual assault tho, because the entire song consisted of pleading for Veronica's consent. Sure, it is still bothersome to have someone still attempt to convince you to have sex with them even when you clearly said no.... But there is a huge difference between bragging how awesome one is, in a dumb attempt to convince you to have sex, Vs saying some very intrusive comments about your body all the while actively trying to force onself onto you.
I was sexually assaulted by three boys who were all friends in my school and I had to write a full on report on what they were doing to me. People are complaining about this song but when you’ve had it happen to you, the awareness is very important.
For the people who say that this song justifies JD’s actions more than Blue, I have this to say: Regardless of the tone of the song, it’s STILL attempted rape regardless of which song you’re listening to. Blue being more comedic than this one doesn’t change that. It also doesn’t change the fact that JD only killed Kurt and Ram because they made Veronica cry. From what I’ve seen of the lines before “Our Love Is God,” Veronica doesn’t say to JD that Kurt and Ram tried to rape her. So it’s still wrong in both versions. As for Veronica saying they could’ve turned out good people, it’s the same argument that I used initially.
True. It's not justifying JD's deeds, but it makes them deserve their death even more. Unpopular opinion: I really don't think that there aren't people who deserve to die, actually some people do ,(Chikatilo Stalin, Hitler, and another biowaste). But another person has no rights to choice who's lives or dies.
@@hatcatmoby8893 actually it's true blue was never making fun of rape or making it seem like rape isn't a serious issue cause they were asking for her consent even begging for it like I saw a comment said which is true and they never took veronicas no as a yes but they still ended up trying to convince but remember they never took her no as a yes
@Amber ya but in Heather's, JD never knew this happened, Veronica never told him and he only killed them because of the rumor and they made her cry. But it's ok I guess
So no one cares but here's why this doesn't work in the context of the musical. With Blue, the tone of the scene depends entirely on the choreography. I've seen productions where they play it like a cat and mouse chase where Veronica is mostly in control of the situation and never under any real threat. I've also seen productions where they pin her to the ground and generally are threatening to her safety. But the lyrics in and of themselves aren't that bad. They allow for that kind of interpretation. You're welcome isn't like that. They lyrics are threatening all on their own. There's no ambiguity. That ambiguity is important. If Veronica was truly under threat and barely managed to escape, it almost sort of...justifies what JD does to them. It makes him a hero for protecting the women of their school by taking out two rapists (or as close as they can be with Veronica still managing to escape at the end). Even worse, it makes Veronica's regret at their funeral into a scene where a victim is saying "they still had room to grow. They could've turned out good." That scene only works because Blue is so playful and open for interpretation. You can see it as "well, they need to learn that no means no, not 'keep trying to convince me' but they never actually tried to hurt her...I can see how maturity could make them better people." But with You're welcome? All that goes out the window. And frankly the idea of a near-rape victim singing about how "they could've turned out good" makes me want to vomit because it's so close to something we hear in real life wheen accused rapists are put on trial ("they had such bright futures" is a common news reel refrain). The idea of the victim herself saying it...no thank you. Basically what I'm saying is you're welcome makes Veronica out to be some kind of Stockholm syndrome victim where she's left standing up for her attempted rapists and JD into a hero for protecting the community from them. Which is literally the exact opposite point of Heathers.
I understand and agree with what you're saying about the context of the musical- it is sad how Veronica ends up saying they could have grown up. But just thinking about the song alone, it makes the whole scene a lot more serious, showing rape and assault as a lot worse than the off b-way version, which plays it off as playful and somewhat acceptable. However I do agree with what you're saying in the context of the musical. Also I think it adds more ambiguity to JD's actions, like you said, but not necessarily in a bad way. Even in the original, although JD's actions are bad, he's doing what he believes is right. In the original, him killing Kurt and Ram could be seen as an over reaction, and a bit less so in this version, but I think motive stays the same. Also, even if you have a morally good reason to kill someone, I don't think it is ever a morally good action, so in that sense it doesn't take away from JD's character.
Hermione Granger I wanted to really consider your points so I rewatched a couple different productions to see how Blue is played out. And I think the difference here is that in my opinion, Blue isn't actually about rape or assault. People's main praise for You're Welcome is that they feel Blue made it into a joke while You're Welcome takes it seriously. But do me a favor and just read the lyrics of Blue. Put aside choreography (which is different in every production and thus up for interpretation). At no point do either of them threaten Veronica. In fact, the entire song is them begging for her consent. Heck they even use the word "please" repeatedly. They spend the whole song asking her to hook up with them, and keep trying to persuade her despite her refusal. Obviously they need to learn that "no means no" not "keep trying to convince me" but they never take her "no" to mean "Yes" and without choreography to indicate them actually getting physical with her, the idea that Blue makes fun of rape and assault falls apart. Certainly there are productions where the choreography is physically threatening or violent, but the lyrics don't indicate that on their own, and the production with the original off Broadway cast (the best we have for a standard of how it's "supposed" to be interpreted) never puts Veronica under any real threat. This is why I don't believe Blue made fun of rape or assault and without that argument to convince me, I have to return to the point that by taking it seriously, You're Welcome does a great disservice to both Veronica and JD's character arcs as I mentioned in my first comment.
@@thornlings As much as I agree with you, the one thing I dont necessarily agree with is that JD and Veronica's character's break down. I think it just gives them a different dimension compared to the 'original'. But anyway! That's the joy of art- it's up to interpretation!
I think Blue and Your Welcome are both good and both songs accomplish what they're trying to do. Blue is supposed to be funny raunchy, and it does that. It makes you laugh and you sing it with a group of people who you're having fun with. Blue shows Kurt and Ram as just stupid dumb teens, not really a threat. Your Welcome however is the opposite. This song has a much darker tone and it's supposed to be scary, and it does that. It makes you feel uncomfortable. It gives this feeling of dread. It shows Kurt and Ram as being dangerous. It does show them as assaulters and not stupid teens. That's why I love this song, it shows sexual assault for what it is, it shows that yes, it is dangerous. But the hard reality is that's how alot of teenage boys are.
People are saying that this makes JD look too sympathetic, but the original musical kinda did that too. Remember when it was really popular and everyone romanticized JD & Veronica? At least west end added "I Say No" which makes it obvious that it's abusive. And it's good that they aren't portraying sexual assault as funny!
But they weren't portraying sexual assault as funny, they were making fun of Kurt and ram because they were being whiny and begging for it. Keep in mind they never actually raped her, and they never tried to either since they didn't grab her or anything, they just kept begging and begging her to say yes, and weren't taking the no for an answer. In conclusion, Blue wasn't making fun of sexual assault, just making fun of Kurt and Ram in their drunk and shiny state.
I will genuinely never be over the fact that I got cast to play Ram in a production of Heathers before the pandemic hit and the show got cancelled. I would have absolutely BODIED this song 😭
Oh god that’s the worst ever- My school’s an all-boys school. So we ended up making basically everyone Bi/Gay (Except the Heathers, some girls from the nearby all girls school played the queens.)
@@GreyBladeRover I noticed your flag in the profile pic and somehow didn't put two and two together (it's almost 4AM where I am, lol). I didn't realize I was nonbinary until after I was done with high school (I'm 21 now), so even if I'd gone to an all-girls school, it wouldn't have registered to me as…off. What are your comfort levels in such a…gender-y…environment?
@@thisisarecycledaccount3366 I’m actually pretty comfortable. I’m in Year 10 (not sure what that is in the US) maybe I feel that way because my body is male, but my mind isn’t? I guess 😅
My favourite things about this song The “Heather Heather Heather” motif at the beginning kurt and ram beatboxing 1:11 These parts 0:481:37 The fact that Kurt and Ram sound like they are being played by six different people and one of them is british The piano while Veronica raps 1:17 2:26 BACK UP FEWL Thank you
i like this song more as it’s more catchier and it shows what some boys are like. but in context on heathers, blue works better as it shows that jd genuinely is crazy
JD is crazy and this musical does that better than the original as well. They have a song going out about how the relationship is abusive. Kurt and Ram were always r@p!$ts
So this song is okay, but the problem I’ve always saw with it is how threatening it truly is. A criticism of Blue is how it makes light of sexual assault and rape since the song’s purpose is comedic. While I do agree that the show and the fandom handles the whole date rape too lightly, I don’t think this song fixes anything. In fact, it causes more problems. It introduces this whole “girls are asking for it based on what they wear”, which, personally, is more threatening by itself than Blue ever was. Kurt and Ram in You’re Welcome are already justifying their sexual assault or rape. Blue was two drunk teenagers who wouldn’t take no for an answer, albeit a problem in of itself. The importance of how threatening these songs feel is big in interpreting this musical. This show and its fandom has romanticized JD as a misunderstood character who sees himself as protecting Veronica. I personally prefer interpreting this JD similarly to the movie’s version. I do not think JD truly loves Veronica. He could have very strong feelings about her, maybe lust of some sort, but I do not think his mental state allows him to truly love another person. It’s like in I Say No. He is using this “love” to justify him killing people. JD is the enemy of this show. Justifying any one of his actions is a slippery slope with real life consequences. You’re Welcome implies that JD was almost justified in killing these guys. We as the audience want to see these guys punished. The portrayal of Kurt and Ram in Blue, due to its lack of real threatening lyrics, is much less horrible. They are stupid teenage boys who, while are not taking “no” for an answer, are not doing anything until they can change that no into a yes. They could have changed and gotten more mature. There are plenty of people that were terrible in high school who learned from their mistakes and became better people. That’s what was so tragic about killing Heather C and Kurt and Ram. No one knew if they could have changed themselves. The musical shows that JD’s decision was the wrong one, but adding this song complicates that. Implying JD is justified in killing Kurt and Ram only further romanticizes the character, which is a very dangerous precedent for relationships in the audience’s lives. While everyone would say, “oh I obviously wouldn’t stay with someone if they were killing people”, that’s just an extreme. If you romanticize JD, you might subconsciously drawn to people like JD. You’re justifying bursts of anger towards your significant other, lying to them to achieve their own goal, and manipulating them to do exactly what you want them to do.
This song doesn’t justify it introduce the idea of “what you’re wearing is your fault for our actions”. Everyone listening that knows that everything that Kurt and Ram say are WRONG. That’s why the songs makes you uncomfortable. Also JD was always a complicated ch ra yer since the begin to and origin in the movie. We feel sorry for this character with a tragic backstory but we want to justify and help him. That’s what the movie and musical do: test us and then give us the conclusion. that regardless of his reasons: it was never his right to choose who lives or dies. The audience gets invested in him but the hard truth is that you can’t help/save someone if they don’t want or aren’t willing to get it. If people want more comedy with this, the performance can be altered just like how in versions of Blue there are some that are more threatening despite the fact the lyrics don’t take the situation seriously. Overall enjoy what you enjoy and debating over it online won’t do anything lol
ArtFox Naru lol, I know debating about it online doesn’t change anything. I’m just stating my opinion. And I still believe that this song does, unintentionally, come off as more of a threat to Veronica than Blue ever did. It’s fine to portray date rape as a serious issue, but it is a problem if the audience, like I’ve seen in some other comments, feel like Kurt and Ram deserved to die because of how awful their actions were. Really what worried me a lot was Veronica’s response to this situation and I can’t exactly remember why I didn’t put this is the comment so sorry for bringing it up here. In Blue, she’s merely watching the song, more annoyed than anything else. In You’re Welcome, she’s actively admitting that she’s in danger, if she doesn’t do something, she will be sexually assaulted. And as the audience, we sympathize with Veronica and (this is just something that I’ve encountered personally) a lot of the fans are younger(which is why I believe that JD is romanticized ) so I was just concerned that the younger people, especially because this change was first applied to the high school edition of heathers, would be able to see one of JD’s actions as “good” or at the very least “justified so hey maybe JD isn’t really that bad” when obviously they weren’t and he was really that bad. I’m sorry if I’ve gone on too long and I’m really not trying to start anything haha.
Yes but they weren't making fun of sexual assault, they were making fun of Kurt and ram because they were being whiny and begging for it. Keep in mind they never actually raped her, and they never tried to either since they didn't grab her or anything, they just kept begging and begging her to say yes, and weren't taking the no for an answer. In conclusion, Blue wasn't making fun of sexual assault, just making fun of Kurt and Ram in their drunk and shiny state.
THIS. Literally the entire point of Heathers, both the play and the movie, is that high school is temporary but death is permanent. Veronica's whole turning point comes when she realizes that JD isn't killing people by accident. And then you've got that comedic juxtaposition where Veronica feels guilty because Kurt and Ram didn't necessarily deserve to die, yet their deaths bring about such cartoonishly positive change. By making them out and out rapists, there's no conflict anymore when they get shot. They go from horny but mostly harmless idiots to genuinely bad guys who get what's coming to them. "Oh but Blue made fun of sexual assault and date rape" Get over it, this is a comedy play about teen suicide. People who get squeamish over dark humor should not be the target audience for HEATHERS, of all things. It's like complaining that Robocop is too violent, it's like that by design and if you have an issue then it's probably because it is explicitly not made for you.
I was actually taking this seriously until "I do not think his mental state allows him to truly love another person". Just... that's really fuckin' ableist. Also fandoms "romanticize" bad characters because it's a fantasy, it's fiction. Essentially playing with dolls. While there is genuine concern over these communities normalizing toxic behavior as fine and okay, there is nothing inherently wrong with writing fanfic or whatever about JD where he's portrayed as a good person or "hero" - what IS wrong with it is when people refuse to educate others on these issues, thus, people who don't know any better (primarily young people in fandom) become misinformed, sometimes dangerously so. I get that no one really wants to tack a huge disclaimer onto their fanfic, but as a community, it is our collective responsibility to educate and inform newer members, and not doing so won't just hurt those who are uninformed. You can't have the community without the responsibility. And the thing about collective responsibility is that if you're unable to fulfill it for some reason, other people will pick up your slack! It's not an individual responsibility. But if everyone refuses to do it, then it just doesn't get done, and the whole thing falls through - which is why we need to do it when we can.
I havent seen the west wnd version, i knew it had some new songs but i didnt realize they replaced Blue. I guess it was a little too much, im always hysterical every time i hear it but i really like this song, it really tackles what its like to be a girl and i actually love it
I'm glad when I was in a production of Heathers I had to sing Blue and not You're Welcome. I just think Blue is far better plus with the choreography. I've seen the West End Heathers and I just prefer the Off-Broadway but I love Carrie.
I honestly love with this song is supposed to represent but I’ve never seen Veronica as a rhythmic speaker or Kurt and Ram rapping it just sounds awkward in the context of every other song in the musical blue fit better with the flow because it sounded like everything else I think this is fine for the high school version but I genuinely don’t think they should move this to the Broadway version
Just a reminder: this song was really only created because a lot of people found it offensive how Blue kind of made r@pe seem like a joke with a funny song. And this one kind of shows how terrible it really is. But I completely agree with how this one doesn’t really work in the context of the musical. It kind of makes JD seem like a hero for k!lling two r@pists but in reality Kurt and Ram really didn’t cause harm to Veronica, and JD only wanted to kill them bc they made Veronica cry. Sure they weren’t very good people, but JD had no right nor reason to end their lives. These two murders are supposed to show how psychotic JD is and how obsessed he is with Veronica, but this song sort of makes JD looks good bc he k!lled people who were hurting Veronica, which is not the case at all. This song also makes Veronica’s “they still had room to grow” make no sense bc that’s justifying what Kurt and Ram tried to do to Veronica in this song. With Blue, it makes more sense bc they weren’t actually trying to hurt her and were kind of “asking” for her consent. So Veronica saying that line with Blue makes more sense.
I agree so much with you! Also, I personally feel like it also doesn't quite fit with the rest of the musical in terms of style and vibes. This sounds a lot more like a song by Lin-Manuel Miranda than you'd expect, with all the rapping, when there isn't any of it in the rest of Heathers beyond, maybe, spoken verses. The music lacks the connection to the general vibes of the rest of the album, and the lyrics fail to convey the light playfulness with which the musical addresses heavy topics such as teen suicide, bullying, and EDs. It's like a bucket of cold water, with such a clear and explicit condemnation of the topic at hand, and it personally threw me off the beat when I first listened to the West End cast recording.
I agree, but for different reasons. The musical is a **dark** comedy and topics like murder and suicide is both being used as satire and for laughs so it's weird how rape is the only topic that gets this treatment. Not to mention, this is the only song that has a darker outline, which means it's an odd one from the other songs in the musical. Either way, both Blue and You're Welcome are songs about attempted rape. While the tones are different, the topics are still the same. So, saying You're Welcome paints JD as being more in the right shouldn't be a problem. You should have enough common sense that what Kurt and Ram is doing is bad in both songs.
@@renx202Movie J.D really just wanted to kill them to exercise control over Veronica, using their homophobia and general dickness as an excuse The musical really paints J.D in a more sympathetic light with some hidden redeemable qualities, no matter the version. In the movie he was full blown psycho
Fun Fact: The People who play Kurt and Ram in the original musical want Blue to like not be a part of the soundtrack anymore. They want to replace it with You're Welcome.
"Blue" made a lot more sense for this scene in my opinion but damn is this so good. "you're welcome" had me bopping my head. i still like "Blue" more in my opinion
People keep saying they prefer a Blue, but that song was just immature and raunchy just for the sake of it. This song has a whole lot more meaning. And it makes you feel for Veronica.
Very true. Though blue is still a good song and makes people crack up and fits the musical better, you’re welcome is more serious about the subject so I agree w you guys- it does hit harder overall.
I love this song as well as blue. Blue is definitely better for adults and gives a laugh but Your Welcome really shows sexual assault how it should be seen. I also like the comments on her clothes "if you don't want me starin' why you wearin' that skirt? " because this is what schools tell girls all the time.
Ok I love this song But how are they in a cow pasture and *not* noticing the smell of the manure I spend time around horses and it's impossible for me to not tell when I'm right next to their crap
I AM NOT THROWING AWAY MY SHOT, I AM NOT THROWING AWAY MY SHOT, AYO IM JUST LIKE MY COUNTRY IM YOUNG SCRAPPY AND HUNGRY- I AM NOT THROWING AWAY MY SHOT, SON, WE ARE OUTGUNNED, OUTMANNED
If i see a "blue is better" one more time i will flip. Why you're welcome is better 1. General tune. It doesn't lose it's catchiness, the music is just a bit more intense and scary near the start. It's actually faster than blue at many points. It's still a good tune though, arguably better than blue. 2. Humor. Whilst blue made rape seem like a joke, you're welcome adds a serious side whilst still adding humor into it. 3. Veronica. You're welcome allows us to sympathize with Veronica, as she directly tells the audience how she feels every so often. 4. Kurt and ram. Instead of the whole takeaway of the song being 'oh drunk people rape', it shows a lot more. It shows how Kurt and ram were blaming Veronica for their attraction, saying she's 'playing hurt', making themselves the victims (which is true to real life most of the time) 5. Before and after. Without you're welcome, we wouldnt have the phone call at the start and the cow pasture scene, which i think is hilarious. Without it we wouldn't have never shut up again, which is an amazing song and one of my favourites. Everyone says that swordfight is better than most reprises. Anyways I'm done
I like this so much better than blue. It doesn't justify JD's action. Nothing can justify murdering literal kids. And you may say that it doesn't fit the story because later on veronica talks about how they had room to grow, but believe it or not people (especially teens) with rapey thoughts CAN change. I was a stupid 17 year old kid who made a handful of girls uncomfortable. I am disgusted with my younger self.
men when they don't know when to stfu and not say they were a misogynistic pos in highschool but they're not now, so implied rape apologia is just FINE and DANDY : ANYWAY since you obviously can't see the difference between your scenario and theirs, kurt and bret weren't just silly little shit faced teens who were misogynistic assholes and probably catcalled girls in the streets or smth who knows what u were doin, they (in BOTH stories) ACTUALLY ATTEMPTED TO RAPE TWO PEOPLE. in this version they're spewing excuses and victim blaming rhetoric before they've even commited the crime, they knew EXACTLY what they were doing and were practically laughing abt it. veronica singing about how they could have changed and they were just kids is just "but he's so young and has so much potential ! why should one measly mistake end his LIFE." in a different font. they didn't deserve to get brutally murdered but their actions are completely INEXCUSABLE. you absolutely would not be sayin the same thing if they actually succeeded in the story, does failing to commit a heinous, life ending, hate crime absolve someone of all guilt now ?
@@ChayanneMinecraft-ti4vp as a victim too. no. my original comment was worded MUCH more aggressively than i like but i still stand by my opinion. being a weird little pervert who sexually harassed people in highschool and being an ACTUAL rapist are not the same or comparable at all. they tried to rape veronica and that is inexcusable and irredeemable. obviously they didnt deserve to die, but having veronica singing about how "they couldve changed, why should one mistake ruin their life, they had such a bright future" is just weird and gross. having a character sing the kind of things people say in real life to defend rapists, about their in universe attempted rapists IS SUM WEIRD CRAP !! it makes me hella uncomfortable to watch AS A VICTIM.
@@hanakoskokeshidoll I think Veronica has the right to say that as she is the victim. Anyone else saying it is wrong as they would be downplaying her emotions and probably trying to get the person out of punishment at all. I don't think one 'mistake' ( because it is not a mistake it is being an awful person on purpose ) should ruin someone's life but it should have a worse punishment then how little a punishment people do get for it :(
i love your welcome so much more, it’s almost like the real life of sexual assault. from the victim blaming to veronicas monologue it’s seems so much more real but makes blue gives the listener that feeling of being uncomfortable and almost disgusted. the lyrics to your welcome made me genuinely mad and almost threatened which is the general reality of rape and sexual assault and that feeling of panic of needing to get away “stay awake stay aware, you’re not in real danger until they grab your hair.”
The problem with this song is that it doesn’t fit in at all with the rest of the score-ESPECIALLY the rapping part. Overall, it’s a better song, but Blue is a much better fit for the musical.
@@kdlarcom2376 also brits generally like to talk more and saying every letter is a way of doing that. Either that or we just like the alphabet a *little* too much
Since I’ve seen quite a few people do these, here’s how I see the Blue/You’re welcome comparison is Blue is more on Kurt and Ram’s side. They just wanna get laid honestly. Veronica was taken to the date r-pe and they wanted her desperately and were drunk, hence the more catchy and playful song. You’re welcome is more from Veronica’s perspective. It really shows you how scary these situations really are with the comments like “if you don’t want me staring, why you wearing that skirt?” It really puts you on the spot while still being a little playful obviously with Kurt and Ram being drunk.
Okay bear w me for a second. I prefer this song to blue. Both make me VERY uncomfortable YES, BUT, this one, does for the right reasons. Blue makes me uncomfortable bcuz it doesn't take rape seriously. While "you're welcome" makes me uncomfortable bcuz it's too realistic. And that, I think, is the best way to touch on a topic as sensitive as this one.
yk maybe the problem was they tried to make a song out of sexual assault in the first place. theres literally no way to do it right. the lyrics will always make people uncomfortable because its a song about sexual assault, its a horrible thing. doesnt stop blue and youre welcome for having good tunes though from a pure music perspective without the lyrics
I assume its to just deepen how morally gray everyone is. For me personally i enjoy the musicals that make me argue with myself. Nobody deserved to die, everyone had good, everyone had bad. It just adds to the internal debate you have with yourself with what occurs in the musical
@@ChayanneMinecraft-ti4vp since making this comment ive kinda changed my mind on it all. not everyones gonna like blue, but some people do. not everyones gonna like youre welcome, but some people do. i do think its a shame blue got replaced, but i think youre welcomes a great song aswell, its just more graphic
To all the people who think You're welcome turns JD into a hero... No. Just no. Even if you think it justifies the murders, just think about how it happens. Not only he killed them without the permission of the woman he claim to avenge, as if she has no voice to it when she is the victim, but he also turns her into a murder accomplice without her consent. That's not heroic, that's toxic and completely manipulative. It is both a way to falsely justify his god complex and to control Veronica : by making her think she owes him something, and by linking her to him through a crime which makes harder to quit the relationship. That's still a villain move, no matter who he kills.
i understand how this song doesnt work w the musical but still i greatly prefer it to Blue. Blue made me uncomfortable asf whilst this one still accomplishes that but feels to have more actual meaning to it rather than “kurt and ram are just dumb”
People in the comments who are trying to say this song doesn’t work ect. Try actually being sexually harassed in school, as someone who was by three boys. You want the awareness.
For all those saying this gives J.D a reason to kill Kurt and Ram, in our love is god J.D says “they made you cry” J.D never knew that Kurt and Ram tried to rape Veronica he only tries to kill them because they made Veronica cry. (correct me if I got any information wrong)
Okay honestly this song is disturbing. They are talking about how Veronica is "lucky" that they're paying attention to her. Saying things such as, "If you don't want me staring why you wearing the skirt?" and "hey, you wanted to be popular!" saying that it's HER fault that they're trying to R^PE HER. And the worse part is, a lot of SA victims hear things like this from the people who assaulted them or when they speak up about their SA. to any survivors or SA or R^pe, I'm so sorry and I hope you can move on on day and be happy. You are more than what those people did to you.
Blue just makes me uncomfortable but this song is more i dont know… catchy it’s less disturbing like they aren’t talking about how sad their balls are…. Also this song is way more catchy musically like it sounds really good
this is my first time listening to this song and when i tell you my jaw dropped. like damn this song makes me hate kurt and ram so much more than i already did but it’s also so good lmao
I like this one so much better than blue. It sets the tone a lot better and makes me feel scared AND disgusted rather than just disgusted. It’s makes me feel more connected to veronicas feelings as well
I accidentally played this in my classroom when me and my friend and me were talking and we didn’t realise what song it was. Everyone just stoped talking and looked at us horrified. It was really funny. Hands down the best part of this song is when the boys start beat boxing
I think it kinda does! In the movie Kurt and Ram were NOT really drunk or funny They wanted to go on a Date with veronica and heather M... In the end they wanted more and kinda wanted to rape them. I think you're welcome is more like the movie. I like both Songs
Rin lfl It was implied in the movie that they were drunk, since Kurt ends up passing out. But it’s hard to tell since they didn’t act that different when they were sober
@@rinvamp7331 Yeah, but blue is kinda playful and you can tell there is never really a real threat. With this song they yank her hair and force her to stay and it's strongly implied that they would rape Veronica if she didn't sweep their legs. With Blue it can still be seen that way, but it's not implied and up to personal interpretation, Veronica is always the one in charge. And it's really important that it's that way, because this song kinda makes you root for Veronica to kill them. She looks like a victim of near-rape and that would make JD a hero for killimg them. Also, at their funeral Veronica says something along the lines of "they could have turned out good" , which doesn't make sense at all with this song, because why would she say that about 2 dudes that activly tried to force her to fuck them. It makes Veronica look like she suffers from stockholm syndrom and takes away this whole 'maybe I eas overreacting and they were just a little drunk and it's my fault they're dead' vibe... Therefore 'blue' > 'you're welcome' for context (but I still like this song)
as an sa victim both songs are about date rape but this song kinda just transports me back to the moment yknow? i was like i'll listen to it bc ppl are saying its better than blue but like mmm..... /neg
Actually, Blue isn't about date rape. In Blue, Kurt and Ram are begging for Veronica's consent and in the original choreography she's not in a real threat. Yes, they must learn that no means no, but the lyrics were just them trying to convince Veronica to hook up with them
@@gray764 I'm sorry about that and i hope you're okay, but in Blue, they don't touch Veronica at all and they're constantly begging her to hook up with them, they were waiting for her to say yes (it's a pretty bad situation and it would count as sexual harassment because they're being pushy, but they didn't touch her inappropriately so it doesn't count as date rape because they're waiting for consent) In Your Welcome, they're sober and try to touch her inappropriately, and they don't care if she says "no", so they're not trying to convince her at all. This is definitely a date rape, unlike Blue
This whole blue vs you're welcome thing to me is ridiculous I feel because both are like wildly different blue is more light and comical while you're welcome is more dark and dreary they aren't really comparable considering they're both completely different and I feel like they're both good in their own ways like blue overall fits Heathers whole vibe better however you're welcome is a better betrayal of how SA really is
This is exactly how schools expect boys to react when they see a girls shoulders
Kill me UwU this is underrated
Or the ankles apparently it's all about the ankles as well
@@Jack-sf9zo yeah
sometimes they do and that is what is really fucked up
@@Golden_Alexer what?
You’re welcome:
Other people: Moana
Me, an intellectual: Heathers
Leo Valdez yes
The kids looking up the song are gonna have an experience 😳
Rhayna lmao
Leo Valdez LEOO
@@rhayna9987
OH GOD
as a song, i like this a lot more than blue, but in the context of the musical blue works way better.
Agreed
changed my mind. this is better in every way
True but it is what it is
I like blue but this is amazing
I like both
Considering that this was for the high school version of the musical, I think it fits but in a different manner. Blue is raunchy but it’s more geared towards adults and mature audiences so it makes sense. Yeah there is a sense of uncomfortableness but it is still a funny song. You’re Welcome is much different. The message is supposed to be made clear for high schoolers who are about to be adults. Sexual assault is not funny and should not be seen as funny. Both songs work for their respective versions and I think they should be appreciated.
I feel like making rape comedic is disrespectful
I agree with you but I think I like this version better.
Cause in You're Welcome it shows sexual assault as what is us, scary and wrong. But in Blue the boys sing it like if they were caught they wouldve just said "boys will be boys"
And though I do love blue I think this song more fits the tone of what's happening, they are predators even though they're in high school.
And I think what makes this one so scary is that many people have the mindset of they guys in this, "you should be happy I want you so shut up" kind of thing.
@@sticker1092 but sadly that is the point of dark humor. It is supposed to be messed up.
Dont feel that Blue is about rape or sexual assault tho, because the entire song consisted of pleading for Veronica's consent.
Sure, it is still bothersome to have someone still attempt to convince you to have sex with them even when you clearly said no.... But there is a huge difference between bragging how awesome one is, in a dumb attempt to convince you to have sex, Vs saying some very intrusive comments about your body all the while actively trying to force onself onto you.
I was sexually assaulted by three boys who were all friends in my school and I had to write a full on report on what they were doing to me. People are complaining about this song but when you’ve had it happen to you, the awareness is very important.
For the people who say that this song justifies JD’s actions more than Blue, I have this to say: Regardless of the tone of the song, it’s STILL attempted rape regardless of which song you’re listening to. Blue being more comedic than this one doesn’t change that. It also doesn’t change the fact that JD only killed Kurt and Ram because they made Veronica cry. From what I’ve seen of the lines before “Our Love Is God,” Veronica doesn’t say to JD that Kurt and Ram tried to rape her. So it’s still wrong in both versions. As for Veronica saying they could’ve turned out good people, it’s the same argument that I used initially.
True. It's not justifying JD's deeds, but it makes them deserve their death even more. Unpopular opinion: I really don't think that there aren't people who deserve to die, actually some people do ,(Chikatilo Stalin, Hitler, and another biowaste). But another person has no rights to choice who's lives or dies.
@Brieanna Gabbard They did. The original song Blue played it for laughs, whereas You're Welcome matches the seriousness of the issue.
@@hatcatmoby8893 actually it's true blue was never making fun of rape or making it seem like rape isn't a serious issue cause they were asking for her consent even begging for it like I saw a comment said which is true and they never took veronicas no as a yes but they still ended up trying to convince but remember they never took her no as a yes
@@myundertale2354 exactly./
THIS
lyrics make me uncomfortable but damn it sounds good
ikr
Agreed fr. More uncomfortable than blue but the subject matter is supposed to b serious but yea i agree-
Frfr I love this song so much
lyrics make me not want to leave my house ever
You know blue made me uncomfortable but it was funny in the way it was done this just makes me uncomfortable
Same!
yeah in blue they were douches but they just seemed like gross jocks but this version really just makes them scary
Frozen Darkness Me too dude
I prefer this version
It actually sounds better
@Amber ya but in Heather's, JD never knew this happened, Veronica never told him and he only killed them because of the rumor and they made her cry. But it's ok I guess
So no one cares but here's why this doesn't work in the context of the musical.
With Blue, the tone of the scene depends entirely on the choreography. I've seen productions where they play it like a cat and mouse chase where Veronica is mostly in control of the situation and never under any real threat. I've also seen productions where they pin her to the ground and generally are threatening to her safety. But the lyrics in and of themselves aren't that bad. They allow for that kind of interpretation.
You're welcome isn't like that. They lyrics are threatening all on their own. There's no ambiguity.
That ambiguity is important. If Veronica was truly under threat and barely managed to escape, it almost sort of...justifies what JD does to them. It makes him a hero for protecting the women of their school by taking out two rapists (or as close as they can be with Veronica still managing to escape at the end). Even worse, it makes Veronica's regret at their funeral into a scene where a victim is saying "they still had room to grow. They could've turned out good."
That scene only works because Blue is so playful and open for interpretation. You can see it as "well, they need to learn that no means no, not 'keep trying to convince me' but they never actually tried to hurt her...I can see how maturity could make them better people." But with You're welcome? All that goes out the window. And frankly the idea of a near-rape victim singing about how "they could've turned out good" makes me want to vomit because it's so close to something we hear in real life wheen accused rapists are put on trial ("they had such bright futures" is a common news reel refrain). The idea of the victim herself saying it...no thank you.
Basically what I'm saying is you're welcome makes Veronica out to be some kind of Stockholm syndrome victim where she's left standing up for her attempted rapists and JD into a hero for protecting the community from them. Which is literally the exact opposite point of Heathers.
I understand and agree with what you're saying about the context of the musical- it is sad how Veronica ends up saying they could have grown up.
But just thinking about the song alone, it makes the whole scene a lot more serious, showing rape and assault as a lot worse than the off b-way version, which plays it off as playful and somewhat acceptable.
However I do agree with what you're saying in the context of the musical.
Also I think it adds more ambiguity to JD's actions, like you said, but not necessarily in a bad way. Even in the original, although JD's actions are bad, he's doing what he believes is right. In the original, him killing Kurt and Ram could be seen as an over reaction, and a bit less so in this version, but I think motive stays the same. Also, even if you have a morally good reason to kill someone, I don't think it is ever a morally good action, so in that sense it doesn't take away from JD's character.
Hermione Granger I wanted to really consider your points so I rewatched a couple different productions to see how Blue is played out. And I think the difference here is that in my opinion, Blue isn't actually about rape or assault. People's main praise for You're Welcome is that they feel Blue made it into a joke while You're Welcome takes it seriously.
But do me a favor and just read the lyrics of Blue. Put aside choreography (which is different in every production and thus up for interpretation). At no point do either of them threaten Veronica. In fact, the entire song is them begging for her consent. Heck they even use the word "please" repeatedly. They spend the whole song asking her to hook up with them, and keep trying to persuade her despite her refusal. Obviously they need to learn that "no means no" not "keep trying to convince me" but they never take her "no" to mean "Yes" and without choreography to indicate them actually getting physical with her, the idea that Blue makes fun of rape and assault falls apart. Certainly there are productions where the choreography is physically threatening or violent, but the lyrics don't indicate that on their own, and the production with the original off Broadway cast (the best we have for a standard of how it's "supposed" to be interpreted) never puts Veronica under any real threat.
This is why I don't believe Blue made fun of rape or assault and without that argument to convince me, I have to return to the point that by taking it seriously, You're Welcome does a great disservice to both Veronica and JD's character arcs as I mentioned in my first comment.
@@thornlings As much as I agree with you, the one thing I dont necessarily agree with is that JD and Veronica's character's break down. I think it just gives them a different dimension compared to the 'original'. But anyway! That's the joy of art- it's up to interpretation!
YES thank you totally agree
Yeah, I prefer the 2014 off broadway than the west end lyrics
WHY DOES KURT SOUND LIKE THE ONCE-LER
OH MY GOD
I hate that this is true
My guess is the guy who plays Kurt in the West End just has one of those voices.
He low-key sounds like kestin the voice
DEAR GOD UR RIGHT
Schools: this is why we dont let girls show shoulders
Teen boys : she has shoulders?
As a victim of s/a /someone who’s been in almost the same situation as Veronica. THIS SONG SLAPS, BLUE AND YOURE WELCOME 🔛🔝
LETS GO (I love these songs so much omg)
LITERALLY.
REALL
same, also im so sorry
I feel like a lot of sa victims like this song while others like blue because they don't want to deal with the seriousness. It's very upsetting.
I think Blue and Your Welcome are both good and both songs accomplish what they're trying to do. Blue is supposed to be funny raunchy, and it does that. It makes you laugh and you sing it with a group of people who you're having fun with. Blue shows Kurt and Ram as just stupid dumb teens, not really a threat. Your Welcome however is the opposite. This song has a much darker tone and it's supposed to be scary, and it does that. It makes you feel uncomfortable. It gives this feeling of dread. It shows Kurt and Ram as being dangerous. It does show them as assaulters and not stupid teens. That's why I love this song, it shows sexual assault for what it is, it shows that yes, it is dangerous. But the hard reality is that's how alot of teenage boys are.
...Wow. I thought "blue" was bad, but this one made me cheer for Veronica to kill them :-)
Blue told me they're pests, this one says they're monsters.
@@Dot2-mb3zkthat's why this one is better.
People are saying that this makes JD look too sympathetic, but the original musical kinda did that too. Remember when it was really popular and everyone romanticized JD & Veronica? At least west end added "I Say No" which makes it obvious that it's abusive. And it's good that they aren't portraying sexual assault as funny!
But they weren't portraying sexual assault as funny, they were making fun of Kurt and ram because they were being whiny and begging for it. Keep in mind they never actually raped her, and they never tried to either since they didn't grab her or anything, they just kept begging and begging her to say yes, and weren't taking the no for an answer.
In conclusion, Blue wasn't making fun of sexual assault, just making fun of Kurt and Ram in their drunk and shiny state.
So glad I grew up with this
*Blue*
But damn this is good too
*You’re Welcome*
Yeah i like blue a little better because of the instrumentul but the lyrics make me uncomfortable whit both songs
@@-nameless--uc9zw i think blue makes them look way too inocent, but it's way more catchy and less- unconfy..
@@Helena.00 That's why you're welcome is better. SA shouldn't be comfy.
dont mind me, just gonna learn the lyrics
*to every part*
Play any song of Heather’s I know it and will sing along and my friends think I’m weird 😂
@@paulinabalverdelopez7279 Me with Hamilton... I still haven't reached that level with Heathers.
@@dragonsaregreat1948 same-
I will genuinely never be over the fact that I got cast to play Ram in a production of Heathers before the pandemic hit and the show got cancelled. I would have absolutely BODIED this song 😭
Oh god that’s the worst ever-
My school’s an all-boys school. So we ended up making basically everyone Bi/Gay
(Except the Heathers, some girls from the nearby all girls school played the queens.)
@@GreyBladeRover I'm nonbinary and have never lived that dude life, but as a bisexual, I can appreciate your school's willingness to rep the team! :)
@@thisisarecycledaccount3366
Hey! I’m also NB! But since my body is male, I go to an all boys.
@@GreyBladeRover I noticed your flag in the profile pic and somehow didn't put two and two together (it's almost 4AM where I am, lol). I didn't realize I was nonbinary until after I was done with high school (I'm 21 now), so even if I'd gone to an all-girls school, it wouldn't have registered to me as…off. What are your comfort levels in such a…gender-y…environment?
@@thisisarecycledaccount3366
I’m actually pretty comfortable. I’m in Year 10 (not sure what that is in the US) maybe I feel that way because my body is male, but my mind isn’t? I guess 😅
therapist: british kurt and ram don't exist, they can't hurt you:
british kurt and ram:
My favourite things about this song
The “Heather Heather Heather” motif at the beginning
kurt and ram beatboxing 1:11
These parts 0:48 1:37
The fact that Kurt and Ram sound like they are being played by six different people and one of them is british
The piano while Veronica raps 1:17
2:26 BACK UP FEWL
Thank you
I FULLY AGREE WITH ALL OF THIS OMG
YES!!
YES FRR THEY TURN BRITISH OUTTA NOWHERE
HUH! 💪
Kurt and Ram sound like pirates
Had to look this up because I had no idea they were saying ‘this ain’t mud, it’s cow manure’
I heard commodore at first and was think why an old computer would look like mud.
So does this replace Blue I guess?
It’s supposed to.
Yes I believe it's meant to replace Blue. It's definitely in the same place within the musical.
It was written to replace blue in the high school version in this version some of the lines and lyrics have been changed and made more inappropriate
yes, and as a bonus, "blue reprise" was switched to "never shut up again"
they gave heather duke a solo yasss
*never*
i like this song more as it’s more catchier and it shows what some boys are like. but in context on heathers, blue works better as it shows that jd genuinely is crazy
JD is crazy and this musical does that better than the original as well. They have a song going out about how the relationship is abusive. Kurt and Ram were always r@p!$ts
So this song is okay, but the problem I’ve always saw with it is how threatening it truly is. A criticism of Blue is how it makes light of sexual assault and rape since the song’s purpose is comedic. While I do agree that the show and the fandom handles the whole date rape too lightly, I don’t think this song fixes anything.
In fact, it causes more problems. It introduces this whole “girls are asking for it based on what they wear”, which, personally, is more threatening by itself than Blue ever was. Kurt and Ram in You’re Welcome are already justifying their sexual assault or rape. Blue was two drunk teenagers who wouldn’t take no for an answer, albeit a problem in of itself.
The importance of how threatening these songs feel is big in interpreting this musical. This show and its fandom has romanticized JD as a misunderstood character who sees himself as protecting Veronica. I personally prefer interpreting this JD similarly to the movie’s version.
I do not think JD truly loves Veronica. He could have very strong feelings about her, maybe lust of some sort, but I do not think his mental state allows him to truly love another person. It’s like in I Say No. He is using this “love” to justify him killing people.
JD is the enemy of this show. Justifying any one of his actions is a slippery slope with real life consequences.
You’re Welcome implies that JD was almost justified in killing these guys. We as the audience want to see these guys punished. The portrayal of Kurt and Ram in Blue, due to its lack of real threatening lyrics, is much less horrible. They are stupid teenage boys who, while are not taking “no” for an answer, are not doing anything until they can change that no into a yes. They could have changed and gotten more mature. There are plenty of people that were terrible in high school who learned from their mistakes and became better people.
That’s what was so tragic about killing Heather C and Kurt and Ram. No one knew if they could have changed themselves. The musical shows that JD’s decision was the wrong one, but adding this song complicates that.
Implying JD is justified in killing Kurt and Ram only further romanticizes the character, which is a very dangerous precedent for relationships in the audience’s lives. While everyone would say, “oh I obviously wouldn’t stay with someone if they were killing people”, that’s just an extreme. If you romanticize JD, you might subconsciously drawn to people like JD. You’re justifying bursts of anger towards your significant other, lying to them to achieve their own goal, and manipulating them to do exactly what you want them to do.
This song doesn’t justify it introduce the idea of “what you’re wearing is your fault for our actions”. Everyone listening that knows that everything that Kurt and Ram say are WRONG. That’s why the songs makes you uncomfortable. Also JD was always a complicated ch ra yer since the begin to and origin in the movie. We feel sorry for this character with a tragic backstory but we want to justify and help him. That’s what the movie and musical do: test us and then give us the conclusion. that regardless of his reasons: it was never his right to choose who lives or dies. The audience gets invested in him but the hard truth is that you can’t help/save someone if they don’t want or aren’t willing to get it.
If people want more comedy with this, the performance can be altered just like how in versions of Blue there are some that are more threatening despite the fact the lyrics don’t take the situation seriously.
Overall enjoy what you enjoy and debating over it online won’t do anything lol
ArtFox Naru lol, I know debating about it online doesn’t change anything. I’m just stating my opinion.
And I still believe that this song does, unintentionally, come off as more of a threat to Veronica than Blue ever did. It’s fine to portray date rape as a serious issue, but it is a problem if the audience, like I’ve seen in some other comments, feel like Kurt and Ram deserved to die because of how awful their actions were.
Really what worried me a lot was Veronica’s response to this situation and I can’t exactly remember why I didn’t put this is the comment so sorry for bringing it up here. In Blue, she’s merely watching the song, more annoyed than anything else. In You’re Welcome, she’s actively admitting that she’s in danger, if she doesn’t do something, she will be sexually assaulted.
And as the audience, we sympathize with Veronica and (this is just something that I’ve encountered personally) a lot of the fans are younger(which is why I believe that JD is romanticized ) so I was just concerned that the younger people, especially because this change was first applied to the high school edition of heathers, would be able to see one of JD’s actions as “good” or at the very least “justified so hey maybe JD isn’t really that bad” when obviously they weren’t and he was really that bad.
I’m sorry if I’ve gone on too long and I’m really not trying to start anything haha.
Yes but they weren't making fun of sexual assault, they were making fun of Kurt and ram because they were being whiny and begging for it. Keep in mind they never actually raped her, and they never tried to either since they didn't grab her or anything, they just kept begging and begging her to say yes, and weren't taking the no for an answer.
In conclusion, Blue wasn't making fun of sexual assault, just making fun of Kurt and Ram in their drunk and shiny state.
THIS.
Literally the entire point of Heathers, both the play and the movie, is that high school is temporary but death is permanent. Veronica's whole turning point comes when she realizes that JD isn't killing people by accident. And then you've got that comedic juxtaposition where Veronica feels guilty because Kurt and Ram didn't necessarily deserve to die, yet their deaths bring about such cartoonishly positive change. By making them out and out rapists, there's no conflict anymore when they get shot. They go from horny but mostly harmless idiots to genuinely bad guys who get what's coming to them.
"Oh but Blue made fun of sexual assault and date rape"
Get over it, this is a comedy play about teen suicide. People who get squeamish over dark humor should not be the target audience for HEATHERS, of all things. It's like complaining that Robocop is too violent, it's like that by design and if you have an issue then it's probably because it is explicitly not made for you.
I was actually taking this seriously until "I do not think his mental state allows him to truly love another person". Just... that's really fuckin' ableist.
Also fandoms "romanticize" bad characters because it's a fantasy, it's fiction. Essentially playing with dolls. While there is genuine concern over these communities normalizing toxic behavior as fine and okay, there is nothing inherently wrong with writing fanfic or whatever about JD where he's portrayed as a good person or "hero" - what IS wrong with it is when people refuse to educate others on these issues, thus, people who don't know any better (primarily young people in fandom) become misinformed, sometimes dangerously so. I get that no one really wants to tack a huge disclaimer onto their fanfic, but as a community, it is our collective responsibility to educate and inform newer members, and not doing so won't just hurt those who are uninformed. You can't have the community without the responsibility. And the thing about collective responsibility is that if you're unable to fulfill it for some reason, other people will pick up your slack! It's not an individual responsibility. But if everyone refuses to do it, then it just doesn't get done, and the whole thing falls through - which is why we need to do it when we can.
Blue works better, but this song is still really good (and scary)
I feel like Blue fits the musical more than this, However this song is great as well!
I havent seen the west wnd version, i knew it had some new songs but i didnt realize they replaced Blue. I guess it was a little too much, im always hysterical every time i hear it but i really like this song, it really tackles what its like to be a girl and i actually love it
Great beat. Great chorus. Terrifying. I miss Blue.
BerryPlays I mean, you can still listen to Blue
I'm glad when I was in a production of Heathers I had to sing Blue and not You're Welcome. I just think Blue is far better plus with the choreography. I've seen the West End Heathers and I just prefer the Off-Broadway but I love Carrie.
Same
Yeah off Broadway is way better than these, but i honestly prefer this version of this part
I honestly love with this song is supposed to represent but I’ve never seen Veronica as a rhythmic speaker or Kurt and Ram rapping it just sounds awkward in the context of every other song in the musical blue fit better with the flow because it sounded like everything else I think this is fine for the high school version but I genuinely don’t think they should move this to the Broadway version
Just a reminder: this song was really only created because a lot of people found it offensive how Blue kind of made r@pe seem like a joke with a funny song. And this one kind of shows how terrible it really is. But I completely agree with how this one doesn’t really work in the context of the musical. It kind of makes JD seem like a hero for k!lling two r@pists but in reality Kurt and Ram really didn’t cause harm to Veronica, and JD only wanted to kill them bc they made Veronica cry. Sure they weren’t very good people, but JD had no right nor reason to end their lives. These two murders are supposed to show how psychotic JD is and how obsessed he is with Veronica, but this song sort of makes JD looks good bc he k!lled people who were hurting Veronica, which is not the case at all. This song also makes Veronica’s “they still had room to grow” make no sense bc that’s justifying what Kurt and Ram tried to do to Veronica in this song. With Blue, it makes more sense bc they weren’t actually trying to hurt her and were kind of “asking” for her consent. So Veronica saying that line with Blue makes more sense.
I agree so much with you! Also, I personally feel like it also doesn't quite fit with the rest of the musical in terms of style and vibes. This sounds a lot more like a song by Lin-Manuel Miranda than you'd expect, with all the rapping, when there isn't any of it in the rest of Heathers beyond, maybe, spoken verses. The music lacks the connection to the general vibes of the rest of the album, and the lyrics fail to convey the light playfulness with which the musical addresses heavy topics such as teen suicide, bullying, and EDs. It's like a bucket of cold water, with such a clear and explicit condemnation of the topic at hand, and it personally threw me off the beat when I first listened to the West End cast recording.
I agree, but for different reasons. The musical is a **dark** comedy and topics like murder and suicide is both being used as satire and for laughs so it's weird how rape is the only topic that gets this treatment. Not to mention, this is the only song that has a darker outline, which means it's an odd one from the other songs in the musical.
Either way, both Blue and You're Welcome are songs about attempted rape. While the tones are different, the topics are still the same. So, saying You're Welcome paints JD as being more in the right shouldn't be a problem. You should have enough common sense that what Kurt and Ram is doing is bad in both songs.
@@renx202 real
@@renx202Movie J.D really just wanted to kill them to exercise control over Veronica, using their homophobia and general dickness as an excuse
The musical really paints J.D in a more sympathetic light with some hidden redeemable qualities, no matter the version.
In the movie he was full blown psycho
They were always r@p!$ts. They hump Heather green in the OG musical.
Hot take: this is better than blue
Personally I think that blue fits heathers better, but this song is definitely better overall if that makes sense
Correct take*
Fun Fact: The People who play Kurt and Ram in the original musical want Blue to like not be a part of the soundtrack anymore. They want to replace it with You're Welcome.
"Blue" made a lot more sense for this scene in my opinion but damn is this so good. "you're welcome" had me bopping my head. i still like "Blue" more in my opinion
Thought this was the dirtier version than Blue but it’s the other way around? Lol
More threatening version.
People keep saying they prefer a Blue, but that song was just immature and raunchy just for the sake of it. This song has a whole lot more meaning. And it makes you feel for Veronica.
Thank you!
Exactly! Blue is funnier and that’s about it but this actually is closer to the movie tbf
"Immature and raunchy just for the sake of it" - basically any jocky teenage boy.
Very true. Though blue is still a good song and makes people crack up and fits the musical better, you’re welcome is more serious about the subject so I agree w you guys- it does hit harder overall.
when i say " i like your welcome" i dont mean moana, i mean this.
I love this song as well as blue. Blue is definitely better for adults and gives a laugh but Your Welcome really shows sexual assault how it should be seen. I also like the comments on her clothes "if you don't want me starin' why you wearin' that skirt? " because this is what schools tell girls all the time.
i like this song better, but blue made them just seem gross/weird but this song makes them see how scary this situation this is
AHHHH THIS MAKES ME SO UNCOMFORTABLE 😭😭I love blue and your welcome equally tho
the beat to this is AMAZING
Blue this blue that- let’s ignore blue for now and appreciate that beatbox break at 1:11 😩🤝
It was straight fire 🔥🔥🔥
Ok
I love this song
But how are they in a cow pasture and *not* noticing the smell of the manure
I spend time around horses and it's impossible for me to not tell when I'm right next to their crap
Ram and Kurt is drunk in this scene so they might not have noticed the smell...
@@fiorinajean8190 I heard someone say that they were sober in you're welcome and drunk in blue
@@fiorinajean8190 I’m pretty sure they were sober in you’re welcome but they probably more focused on Veronica at that time
@@fiorinajean8190 also somewhere in the song they do say ‘what’s that smell?’ And just play it off as them loving her well
We are a powder keg about to explode
I need someone like you to lighten the load so? (Yh, I know I’m late. But I saw an unfinished Hamilton line)
Thx for finishing the line whoo
Your welcome 🤣
I AM NOT THROWING AWAY MY SHOT, I AM NOT THROWING AWAY MY SHOT, AYO IM JUST LIKE MY COUNTRY IM YOUNG SCRAPPY AND HUNGRY- I AM NOT THROWING AWAY MY SHOT, SON, WE ARE OUTGUNNED, OUTMANNED
Spoopy Seokjin you need all the help you can get I have some friends laurens, mulligan, marquis de laffeyette, ol what else?
Kurt and Ram really went "We were bad but now we're good"
If i see a "blue is better" one more time i will flip.
Why you're welcome is better
1. General tune.
It doesn't lose it's catchiness, the music is just a bit more intense and scary near the start. It's actually faster than blue at many points. It's still a good tune though, arguably better than blue.
2. Humor. Whilst blue made rape seem like a joke, you're welcome adds a serious side whilst still adding humor into it.
3. Veronica. You're welcome allows us to sympathize with Veronica, as she directly tells the audience how she feels every so often.
4. Kurt and ram. Instead of the whole takeaway of the song being 'oh drunk people rape', it shows a lot more. It shows how Kurt and ram were blaming Veronica for their attraction, saying she's 'playing hurt', making themselves the victims (which is true to real life most of the time)
5. Before and after. Without you're welcome, we wouldnt have the phone call at the start and the cow pasture scene, which i think is hilarious. Without it we wouldn't have never shut up again, which is an amazing song and one of my favourites. Everyone says that swordfight is better than most reprises.
Anyways I'm done
Thank you somebody said it
I like this so much better than blue. It doesn't justify JD's action. Nothing can justify murdering literal kids. And you may say that it doesn't fit the story because later on veronica talks about how they had room to grow, but believe it or not people (especially teens) with rapey thoughts CAN change. I was a stupid 17 year old kid who made a handful of girls uncomfortable. I am disgusted with my younger self.
men when they don't know when to stfu and not say they were a misogynistic pos in highschool but they're not now, so implied rape apologia is just FINE and DANDY :
ANYWAY since you obviously can't see the difference between your scenario and theirs, kurt and bret weren't just silly little shit faced teens who were misogynistic assholes and probably catcalled girls in the streets or smth who knows what u were doin, they (in BOTH stories) ACTUALLY ATTEMPTED TO RAPE TWO PEOPLE. in this version they're spewing excuses and victim blaming rhetoric before they've even commited the crime, they knew EXACTLY what they were doing and were practically laughing abt it. veronica singing about how they could have changed and they were just kids is just "but he's so young and has so much potential ! why should one measly mistake end his LIFE." in a different font. they didn't deserve to get brutally murdered but their actions are completely INEXCUSABLE. you absolutely would not be sayin the same thing if they actually succeeded in the story, does failing to commit a heinous, life ending, hate crime absolve someone of all guilt now ?
@@hanakoskokeshidollas a victim. Please quiet down.
@@ChayanneMinecraft-ti4vp as a victim too. no. my original comment was worded MUCH more aggressively than i like but i still stand by my opinion. being a weird little pervert who sexually harassed people in highschool and being an ACTUAL rapist are not the same or comparable at all. they tried to rape veronica and that is inexcusable and irredeemable. obviously they didnt deserve to die, but having veronica singing about how "they couldve changed, why should one mistake ruin their life, they had such a bright future" is just weird and gross. having a character sing the kind of things people say in real life to defend rapists, about their in universe attempted rapists IS SUM WEIRD CRAP !! it makes me hella uncomfortable to watch AS A VICTIM.
@@hanakoskokeshidoll I think Veronica has the right to say that as she is the victim. Anyone else saying it is wrong as they would be downplaying her emotions and probably trying to get the person out of punishment at all. I don't think one 'mistake' ( because it is not a mistake it is being an awful person on purpose ) should ruin someone's life but it should have a worse punishment then how little a punishment people do get for it :(
@@hanakoskokeshidoll But maybe that's just my self blame talking I don't know.
the way this makes me more uncomfortable than blue but I like it better 😭
i love your welcome so much more, it’s almost like the real life of sexual assault. from the victim blaming to veronicas monologue it’s seems so much more real but makes blue gives the listener that feeling of being uncomfortable and almost disgusted. the lyrics to your welcome made me genuinely mad and almost threatened which is the general reality of rape and sexual assault and that feeling of panic of needing to get away “stay awake stay aware, you’re not in real danger until they grab your hair.”
The problem with this song is that it doesn’t fit in at all with the rest of the score-ESPECIALLY the rapping part. Overall, it’s a better song, but Blue is a much better fit for the musical.
I like this song... on it's own. .. not in the musical... it doesnt fit the musical at all
Yea, same. Like, this song is so real, but there are so many things the musical does that can't be made from this serious song.
Yes blue is top teir
Agree
This honestly a great song, but they overpronounce EVERYTHING
Kaji Pup
its the point, its eMPHASIZE
TheOcelotGirl just... listen to ram. Listen to him in the first half of the song. He’s enunciating way too much.
it's because they have british accents and they're trying to sound american
@@kdlarcom2376 also brits generally like to talk more and saying every letter is a way of doing that. Either that or we just like the alphabet a *little* too much
Random Rhythm
really? I’m British and I’ve never heard anything like that
Since I’ve seen quite a few people do these, here’s how I see the Blue/You’re welcome comparison is
Blue is more on Kurt and Ram’s side. They just wanna get laid honestly. Veronica was taken to the date r-pe and they wanted her desperately and were drunk, hence the more catchy and playful song.
You’re welcome is more from Veronica’s perspective. It really shows you how scary these situations really are with the comments like “if you don’t want me staring, why you wearing that skirt?” It really puts you on the spot while still being a little playful obviously with Kurt and Ram being drunk.
I came here to see what is it like. Now I am gonna go and listen Blue.
Okay bear w me for a second. I prefer this song to blue. Both make me VERY uncomfortable YES, BUT, this one, does for the right reasons. Blue makes me uncomfortable bcuz it doesn't take rape seriously. While "you're welcome" makes me uncomfortable bcuz it's too realistic. And that, I think, is the best way to touch on a topic as sensitive as this one.
I found this on a Playlist labeled "children's music" Now, I don't know many kids but-
For fucks sake- the next song coming up is My R- CZcams THE HELL?!?
Someone probably mistook it as You're Welcome from Moana🤷
Oh god- T.T
What in the- nooo this aint no kid friendly song
yk maybe the problem was they tried to make a song out of sexual assault in the first place. theres literally no way to do it right. the lyrics will always make people uncomfortable because its a song about sexual assault, its a horrible thing.
doesnt stop blue and youre welcome for having good tunes though from a pure music perspective without the lyrics
I assume its to just deepen how morally gray everyone is. For me personally i enjoy the musicals that make me argue with myself. Nobody deserved to die, everyone had good, everyone had bad. It just adds to the internal debate you have with yourself with what occurs in the musical
@@ciphered_entity yea, thats a good point
I adore you're welcome. I listen to it when I'm fudged up because of previous events.
@@ChayanneMinecraft-ti4vp since making this comment ive kinda changed my mind on it all. not everyones gonna like blue, but some people do. not everyones gonna like youre welcome, but some people do. i do think its a shame blue got replaced, but i think youre welcomes a great song aswell, its just more graphic
To all the people who think You're welcome turns JD into a hero...
No.
Just no.
Even if you think it justifies the murders, just think about how it happens. Not only he killed them without the permission of the woman he claim to avenge, as if she has no voice to it when she is the victim, but he also turns her into a murder accomplice without her consent. That's not heroic, that's toxic and completely manipulative. It is both a way to falsely justify his god complex and to control Veronica : by making her think she owes him something, and by linking her to him through a crime which makes harder to quit the relationship.
That's still a villain move, no matter who he kills.
This song fits better for the movie context but for the musical context I'd say blue fits better although I definitely prefer this lol
Hey you wanted to be popular! Makes me wanna cringe when I listen to Wicked now.
Now I'm just imaging that part of the song in Glinda's voice
Nooo I actually want to watch Wicked
Now whenever I hear Veronica saying "you're so welcome" in Blue it reminds me of this.
i understand how this song doesnt work w the musical but still i greatly prefer it to Blue. Blue made me uncomfortable asf whilst this one still accomplishes that but feels to have more actual meaning to it rather than “kurt and ram are just dumb”
I agree, I found blue so uncomfortable I could barely get through it
blue seems just like a fun song, this song shows what a creeps kurt and ram really were.
This is amazing. Is it good enough to replace Blue??? Not in my book but this is still awesome
Why is this my favourite song in the whole soundtrack
People in the comments who are trying to say this song doesn’t work ect. Try actually being sexually harassed in school, as someone who was by three boys. You want the awareness.
I just realized 'I'm a rat in a trap. Correction - I'm the cheese' is foreshadowing
For what? Sorry I don't watch west end
@@PeytonianYT For the fact that Veronica is going to be a bait for Kurt and Ram when she and JD will be murdering them
@@meridaskywalker7816 ohhhh
ive only ever heard the world premiere and this is amazing
For all those saying this gives J.D a reason to kill Kurt and Ram, in our love is god J.D says “they made you cry” J.D never knew that Kurt and Ram tried to rape Veronica he only tries to kill them because they made Veronica cry. (correct me if I got any information wrong)
Why is this song so catchy?
Okay honestly this song is disturbing. They are talking about how Veronica is "lucky" that they're paying attention to her. Saying things such as, "If you don't want me staring why you wearing the skirt?" and "hey, you wanted to be popular!" saying that it's HER fault that they're trying to R^PE HER. And the worse part is, a lot of SA victims hear things like this from the people who assaulted them or when they speak up about their SA. to any survivors or SA or R^pe, I'm so sorry and I hope you can move on on day and be happy. You are more than what those people did to you.
But that's a good thing no? The song is realistic.
I made a beauty transformation and became really popular but I have known guys who try to take advantage of your past weakness so I relate.
I kinda of want to hear your life story now
@@lukewarmmess5123 same, but I hope she hasn't met any dark strangers obsessed with slushies
Milasia
Heathers reference?
@@lukewarmmess5123 of course
this is so uncomfortable and i love it
Their accents are so funny
Blue just makes me uncomfortable but this song is more i dont know… catchy it’s less disturbing like they aren’t talking about how sad their balls are…. Also this song is way more catchy musically like it sounds really good
Ok it's about a very bad situation but the actual song sounds very good. I like it more than blue but blue is much better for the actual musical
I went to heathers locally and was so dam happy they used your welcome,
HERMIONE GRANGER! TEN POINTS TO GRYFFINDOR, I LOVE HEATHERS TOO!
This is so good!!!!
how adults expect boys to act when a girl shows any bit of her skin:
this is my first time listening to this song and when i tell you my jaw dropped. like damn this song makes me hate kurt and ram so much more than i already did but it’s also so good lmao
I like this one so much better than blue. It sets the tone a lot better and makes me feel scared AND disgusted rather than just disgusted. It’s makes me feel more connected to veronicas feelings as well
I accidentally played this in my classroom when me and my friend and me were talking and we didn’t realise what song it was. Everyone just stoped talking and looked at us horrified. It was really funny.
Hands down the best part of this song is when the boys start beat boxing
My innocent little baby croissants, be careful, the comments section is a dangerous place. Oh wait, you watched this video, so it's too late.
Blue works for adults.
This song works for the teenagers.
It is that simple.
Ok but why do Veronica's parts sound like rappin for Jesus 😭
Agreed like for me - m I don’t know… I think it’s supposed to be a rap but. I don’t know if that works but I mean- i g u e s s it still slays-
Wait wtf this doesnt fit heathers at all
Alphasun Because of the rap?
I think it kinda does!
In the movie Kurt and Ram were NOT really drunk or funny
They wanted to go on a Date with veronica and heather M...
In the end they wanted more and kinda wanted to rape them.
I think you're welcome is more like the movie.
I like both Songs
Rin lfl It was implied in the movie that they were drunk, since Kurt ends up passing out. But it’s hard to tell since they didn’t act that different when they were sober
@@rinvamp7331 Yeah, but blue is kinda playful and you can tell there is never really a real threat. With this song they yank her hair and force her to stay and it's strongly implied that they would rape Veronica if she didn't sweep their legs. With Blue it can still be seen that way, but it's not implied and up to personal interpretation, Veronica is always the one in charge. And it's really important that it's that way, because this song kinda makes you root for Veronica to kill them. She looks like a victim of near-rape and that would make JD a hero for killimg them. Also, at their funeral Veronica says something along the lines of "they could have turned out good" , which doesn't make sense at all with this song, because why would she say that about 2 dudes that activly tried to force her to fuck them. It makes Veronica look like she suffers from stockholm syndrom and takes away this whole 'maybe I eas overreacting and they were just a little drunk and it's my fault they're dead' vibe... Therefore 'blue' > 'you're welcome' for context (but I still like this song)
I think this song makes Kurt and Ram more intelligent and not stupid teens
@lmao I don't think they are drunk in this version (keep in mind this is someone who hasn't watched the West version)
You're right, the aren't drunk! There completely sober. Which makes this scene even scarier. It's why I prefer this to Blue so much
They still crack jokes. I'm a teen. Teen boys act like this a lot.
@@brennaneckstein753it should be scary it's assault.
This is the only song i like in west end
HaAaaiiiRr
as an sa victim both songs are about date rape but this song kinda just
transports me back to the moment yknow?
i was like
i'll listen to it bc ppl are saying its better than blue but like
mmm..... /neg
Actually, Blue isn't about date rape. In Blue, Kurt and Ram are begging for Veronica's consent and in the original choreography she's not in a real threat. Yes, they must learn that no means no, but the lyrics were just them trying to convince Veronica to hook up with them
@@infp_6w5melsang i mean it is about date rape, duke called veronica to come to the grave yard so that she didnt get date raped
@@gray764 *McNamara, and the song itself isn't about rape because of what I've already said
@@infp_6w5melsang i have been raped. it is about date rape.
@@gray764 I'm sorry about that and i hope you're okay, but in Blue, they don't touch Veronica at all and they're constantly begging her to hook up with them, they were waiting for her to say yes (it's a pretty bad situation and it would count as sexual harassment because they're being pushy, but they didn't touch her inappropriately so it doesn't count as date rape because they're waiting for consent)
In Your Welcome, they're sober and try to touch her inappropriately, and they don't care if she says "no", so they're not trying to convince her at all. This is definitely a date rape, unlike Blue
This version is more respectful to rape victims
What can I say.. except you’re welcome..
This whole blue vs you're welcome thing to me is ridiculous I feel because both are like wildly different blue is more light and comical while you're welcome is more dark and dreary they aren't really comparable considering they're both completely different and I feel like they're both good in their own ways like blue overall fits Heathers whole vibe better however you're welcome is a better betrayal of how SA really is
I cannot stop listening to this
I had no idea this was a song in heathers
i feel like everyone is saying it doesn't work in the context of the musical but i feel like it goes along with act 2 around when JD was losing it
It has a horrible meaning but this song has FLOW
Ugh, wheres a word for the phenomenon of a man believing he and his actions are gifts to women and I can't remember it... What is the term for that?
Incel?
I like this song but I like "Blue " too...