Why ARE we Nostalgic? - Intentionally Blank Ep. 159
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- čas přidán 1. 07. 2024
- Brandon Sanderson and Dan Wells sit down to talk about how puns can be tricky depending on the language, a new food heist, and the many forms of Nostalgia that follow us all.
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(0:00) - Brandon's Writing Retreat
(3:00) - Curry Talk
(5:57) - Oh The Puns You Can Make
(10:17) - Explaining Korean Jokes
(12:48) - Telling jokes in Mexico
(13:38) - Food Heist
(15:41) - When Do People Tend to be Nostalgic?
(18:20) - The Most Moral Society
(20:51) - The Time Of Least Political Division
(22:45) - What Was the Best Period of Music for you?
(27:50) - When Was Fashion At Its Height?
(29:34) - When Was the News the Most Reliable?
(33:17) - Strongest Economy?
(36:08) - The Time of the Best Food?
(37:51) - Wrap Up - Zábava
Brandon and Dan telling stories about living in Korea and Mexico was really entertaining.
You only truly appreciate Shakespeare when you hear it in the original Klingon.
ah yes the secret leaf technique, 1000 years of death!
Most nostalgic for Ben? At the end! So when the world ends by a Dinosaur riding a GIANT ASTEROID, I will look up into the sky just before I am wiped out and say, " How was that Ben?"
I heard about musical tastes getting ossified when I was a young teen, and made it my mission to use Napster to get as much variety of music as I could, and it worked: I developed very broad tastes.
However, my brain still thinks music from the early Aughts is "recent"
This is what I am more used to. Going off on a random topic for the first few minutes, squeezing in a food heist, and then finally going into the topic.
20:53 I have an excerpt for you from "What's our problem" by Tim Urban: Shift 1: Distributed Tribalism → Concentrated Tribalism A diverse country like the U.S. is ripe ground for group conflict, and its history is packed with it. Loyalist vs. Revolutionary. Federalist vs. Anti-Federalist. North vs. South. Homegrown vs. Immigrant. There have been periods of intense political conflict-the years following George Washington’s presidency, the years leading up to and through the Civil War, and the turn of the 20th century, to name a few. In other periods, political division has taken a backseat to other types of division or to international conflicts like World War II. The 1950s was one such period of political unity, to the point where many Americans had a genuinely hard time telling the two parties apart.[1] Both parties were home to large numbers of conservatives and progressives, and when the talk began about national hero Dwight Eisenhower running for president in the early 1950s, it wasn’t even clear which party he’d join. But the lack of political polarization didn’t mean that everyone in 1950s U.S. politics was getting along. There’s an old proverb that goes like this: Me against my brothers; my brothers and me against my cousins; my cousins, my brothers, and me against strangers.
1 Political scientists Alan Abramowitz and Steven Webster studied changes in how clear Americans are on the differences between the two parties. They write: “Between the 1950s and the 2000s, awareness of important differences rose from 67 percent to 91 percent among strong [party] identifiers, from 50 percent to 83 percent among weak party identifiers and from 55 percent to 81 percent among leaning independents.” Alan Abramowitz and Steven Webster, “All Politics Is National: The Rise of Negative Partisanship and the Nationalization of U.S. House and Senate Elections in the 21st Century,” in Annual Meeting of the Midwest Political Science Association (Chicago, Illinois, 2015), 11. Note from me: By 2020 and on we have hypercharged tribalism. Want to know more read the book! "What's our problem" by Tim Urban
When I was almost ten, I watched Nixon's resignation speech. We always had big political divisions. If anything has significantly changed, it's that some people seem more willing to threaten violence over those political disagreements. (And I may not even be accurate in that, because some demographics have always been the victims of violence.)
Yes, we are less tolerant about disagreement.
Our present is not so good as we pictured it to be 30 years ago when we were young, so we think back to those times and their securities for some comfort today.
I'm nostalgic for the McDonald's pizzas from the 90s. Fricking loved those things.
You know, I remember really loving those as well...but I simultaneously remember them being absolute garbage. The closest likeness I can recommend is Subway's little premade pizzas. Which I love. 😅😅
@@jamesmontgomery7074 but that thousand-calorie "bread" on Taco Bell's "mexican pizza" will live on in my actual heart. As a stearol.
I grew up listening to grunge because of my parents. I can remember being 3 and hearing Nirvana and Soundgarden in the car. That's absolutely some of my favorite music even now at 32.
"It is actually Korean" reminds me of 'My Big Fay Greek Wedding' the father saying all words word because of Greece lol
My chance to be the outlier as I near age 40: The best time period for music is right now, and I think the answer has probably always been "right now"? At least since the dawn of industrialization? Over time, I feel like music has just gotten more interesting and more diverse and more developed. Like language, music is essentially a form of technology, and we continuously discover new and interesting techniques and combinations of sounds. In addition, ever since industrialization, instruments and recording devices and training/education have gotten more and more accessible with each passing decade, so we have *more* music now than ever before. Now, if you asked me when the best time for *popular music on the radio* was, that's when you'd get the standard curmudgeonly response from me.
I remember the penguin and the 4 friends gesture. I was not prepared for dong chim a penguin. My sides have collided with the James Webb telescope.
For a lot of the nostalgia questions, my answer would be a confused shrug.
I do have a notional "golden summer of childhood" when I was 8 years old, though some of that may be conflated from other years.
For music, I'm eclectic - some of my favourite stuff is 17th century; some is from the 50, 80s, 00s...
Really enjoyed your Korea stories as I'm currently living in Japan
Speaking of fashion I love Dan's shirt!
23:30 I agree, For me the music currently being made is the best, im almost 30, and I still like songs from 20 years ago
What weapon will Brandon use for the DLC?
two greatswords
@@gizzardgizzard3583The Amaram special
I grew up in the 70s and 80s and spent most my time trying to listen to the music of the 40s and 50s. I only started listening to the music of the 70s and 80s in the late 10s and 20s, when I was driving people around in my car and classic rock seemed a better option that almost nobody would object to, instead of whatever is current. But then, I was an acknowledged weirdo.
I love Dans shirt. I got that loot crate one too!!!
Japanese curry is absolutely fantastic
I know the exact bearglur you're talking about. He's a bit of a local fixture...
Grunge hit Utah immediately. I remember being at work when "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was released and everyone went crazy.
I’m an outlier because I think the best era for music was the 1800s. Beethoven, Dvorak, …I fell in love with romantic symphonies when I was … about 16-18. Yep.
Just so you (whoever officially manages the channel) there's a comment chain made by bots to try and draw people to a scam. Just making sure you know.
At this point in time i am nostalgic because the quality of media put out when i was younger and less discerning was higher and had more originality. Part of what makes me a sanderson fan is being able to experience a fictional world that truly feels lived in
I think Sanderson's next children's book should be about the Oreo robbing Bear-glar 😁
I got one right! The one about Ben at the end.
I have the same stark racing shirt too!
26:53 my wife doesn’t really like the same rock/metal I like but she tolerates it. And after I introduced her to it she said “I wonder if your adhd influenced your love for rock and hair metal”
The music question is interesting because I am gen Z and feel that I (and most of the people I know) like music from the early 2010s and late 2000s. But I feel that's also because of the internet, our first tastes of independence (when we could set the dial) was when we got access to platforms like CZcams or Spotify in the early '10s, and the songs entrenched in the algorithm at the time are what I think we latched on to because of that.
Weird how things were better when we were young and had no responsibility and everything was taken care of for us
Man, I would love to see this revisited in a few years. Everyone between unpaid intern and Gen Alpha will put their best years as 2017-2019
I drive a 20 year old car with a cassette player and I am therefore forced to use the radio if I want to listen to music. This bothered me at first, but I must say it works really well for me now. I have found a radio that plays music I like and this allows me to constantly discover new songs both old and new, plus it's 100% free and I never have to choose what to put on.
Of course there are disadvantages too, but overall I am quite happy
Give me a food ANY food and I can show you how the root of that food is Korean.😜
Quesadilla! ❤
Currywurst with Fries
Haggis
None of the Emperors and kings are native if you go back far enough. But that is true for practically everyone, royals just have very well documented lineages, so it is known what country they originate from. The King of England isn't English if you go back far enough either. You can claim that their line is German, French, Dutch, or Danish at least. Depending on how far back you go and which parents you pick along the line to look at going back. Honestly I would be surprised if the line of Japanese emperors doesn't have some Korean blood in them.
Would love if Brandon Sanderson did a video with the Cinema Therapy guys. It would be fascinating to watch!
The only thing I'm nostalgic for about food is the prices. I miss 5 cent wings.
I mean, really this survey tells you a lot more about how people develop mentally than how society develops.
Brandon accidentally reveals a lot about his political opinions with that Jon Stewart nostalgia. Love it. I mean most of it was already pretty clear in his writing so this isnt exactly surprising but its still fun.
Huh, I think society has slowly gotten better as bad ideas have been forced out and people carrying the past have let it go or are no longer with us. I think I was happier when I had less anxiety, but many people cross a psychological rubicon ages 15-25. I feel like I miss the best times of my life and loved the good things when they happened regardless of age. It isn't nostalgia, but instead I keenly desire to never have good things end. I instead want to learn from those best times and make the future like all the things that were good and the best. I want that for everyone.
Perhaps what many people do is "flee to the past" when life gets hard and they run to those things that brought them comfort. They pine away for those times that were good either out of despair (which is a lie!) or loss (which is normal), and they feel better when they can, for a short time, "live in the past".
As a 46 year old, Mac & Cheese is still amazing. (though my understanding is that the cheese packets in the US are worse than here in Canadia)
I've heard it referred to as a tsar. Not sure why the Russian monarch gets ti be referred to as a crude violating gesture, but that's what the children called it where I grew up
I would have said that the music nostalgia age for me was 12-14 because that was the rise of Napster. It wasn't an algorithm but it WAS looking through what other files someone was sharing on their computer which is a bit like an old fashioned algorithm in a way. So I think it might already be different depending on when the internet became a big part of your musical life.
My Japanese friend told me that when they do the fingers up the butt, they yell “concho!” which means colonoscopy
When I lived in Japan, I could make puns after like a year, but the homonym puns aren't super common in Japan (they have other jokes). So I would end up saying the joke, and they would just look at me, and I'd have to explain it and they'd go "oh, that's funny." *sigh* not when you have to explain it...
I think I was an outlier for every single item on there. Hahaha
For fashipn around -180 l. Seriously, i lpve that fashion. That was around when things were slimming down to what we think of as formal with small bits of flourish that make it fun and not stuffy
News for me was 2010 ish. You could get your news online from sources interested in giving answers but before major media decided to use it as a tool for manipulation.
News has been used as manipulation since news started circulating; since before news was widely printed, even. If you look through newspapers of the 20th century and fact-check them, you will find a litany of lies, misdirections and half-truths like you could not believe - and not just due to hindsight, but in cases where an honest and diligent journalist would not have printed such material. And if retractions happened, it wouldn't be at the top line of the same article on the website page with the article edited, but in a small box on page 9 weeks or months later, even if the initial news was on the front page.
I was born and raised in Japan and it was definitely a challenge learning the counting system. Now I’ll get it wrong on purpose just as a joke to see how people react to it😂
Just realized that my personal fashion style is identical to Brandon's. Jeans and a t-shirt with something over top. 😂
Here before they fixed the typo.
Fun fact: Mantu is also the Afghan word for the same dish. Filled dumplings.
I love all music....40s 50s all through the 2010s... modern music is iffy but
If there is more than more bearglur, then it is a syndicate.
I need them to stop dropping this podcast because it takes up my lunch break. You of all people should understand Brandon! I need to write!!
The idea that Japanese Emperors are Korean by lineage is real. Supposedly, they came from Baekje over a thousand years ago.
To say the political division has always been bad as it is now is a shocking statement. Reagan won every single state in the electoral college except for one in 1984. He carried New York, California, Oregon, Massachusetts. Barbara boxer was a female Democrat governor of Texas. Mitt Romney was a Mormon Republican governor of Massachusetts Schwarzenegger was the Republican governor of California. There is zero chance of any of these things happening now. Back then they were Democratic Governors who were members of the NRA. There were pro-choice Republicans and pro life Democrats. Were there people that hated Reagan back during his day? Especially in youth counter culture? Sure. But that doesn’t mean we were politically divided like we are now. Empirically using dozens of different factors. We were so much less divided just 20 years ago let alone 40.
30:00 never. never in my life has the news been reliable
Has anyone asked the question: how old are the people who were surveyed?
I am most nostalgic for Ben from before his first appearance in the show. Mind you I love his interactions with the podcast but there is less mystery to him today...
You have to be nostalgic these days. Look what they’ve done to Star Wars.
Am I the only person who thinks the time people were making the best music is when I was 37?
News reporting reliable? Before I was born! [edit]And yes, the name Walter Cronkite figured heavily into that! Dan and I kind of agree on something![/edit]
The music era is on point, but not for me. I was born in 1990 and all my friends and even my brother who is 5 years younger mostly all have their comfort music be what they were listening to in their late teens 16-19.
Personally I can't say that's my favorite music anymore and I've slowly expanded my taste quite far from what is 'popular'. I think that's a result of turning off the radio early on when I got a car and I'd download music and put it on my MP3 then eventually my phones SD card.
Since I got bored of my music I started finding more and more and now, to compare, I listened to 2000s rock, some of that eras emo and metalcore with some pop and hip hop, and nowadays I mostly listen to varying electronic music, 2000s hip hop, medieval reenactment music, power metal and mostly Black Metal.
Specifically Epic Black Metal like Summoning, Caladan Brood, Emyn Muil and Belore.
I still like the music in that 'younger era' but much prefer what I've curated now.
Watching Dan opening his coke makes me crave one every single time lol
Has anyone found the source article for this nostalgia? I'd love to go read it.
That hand motion Brando was describing where someone pokes someone in the butt, in America (at least the people at my school) called that ‘Gadaffi’.
Interestingly, I had only been 11 for 3 weeks on 9/12/01. That would have been my answer too, so I wonder what their sample size breakdown was.
The economy one is going to be interesting in the future. I turned 12 in 2007 so not great times
cylindrical objects starting from number 1 isn't pronounced ihon, it is ippon (一本). They were probably just polite and went along with it. Wouldn't make much sense to them as a pun
22:42 -
Negative sixty 🙃
Seriously the 40s had some fantastic stuff. But in my own lifetime, honestly it was probably when I was in late elementary school around 2008 - 2010. By the time I graduated high school in 2016 music had gotten a lot worse, and now most mainstream stuff is absolutely trash.
I’d be interested to see this data separated by generation
I want to hear about Brandon's experience at yard moose mountain.
My ex is Korean and she'd tell me that how Korea lives on is by turning everything Korean. They want everyone to learn hwo great it is do Korean things and if anyone comes with something that isn't Korean, it's adapted to Korea and it is now a Korean thing.
9:04 a way to translate that type of pun in English could be like that meme Ghoti being fish. Gh from enough, o from women and ti from initial. It’s still not the same since ghoti doesn’t have is own meaning probably
Aerosmith Nine Lives was the very first album I bought with my own money.
With an H-Mart now open in Utah I just want to watch them eat random Korean food
Four times his normal work rate. I guess we're getting another secret project, are we?
He was doing revisions of Stormlight 5 in order to get it in by his deadline.
Japanese Ramen has roots mostly from China, not Korea. The word “ramen” is the Japanese way of saying the Chinese word “la mian” or 拉面 which means pulled noodles. Not to say that all three countries haven’t had culinary influence on each others dishes, especially in contemporary times.
mine was mtv and music channels
Technically if you're Japanese, you're Korean. The Japanese people originally came to Japan via what is today Korea, thousands on years ago when the Sea of Japan was still frozen solid.
Ook!
Nostalgic for Ben? That would be 1972. "... had a friend like Ben .... like Ben ..."
I also have a son Named Oliver and he too is allergic to peanuts🥜
Where can i send a food heist?
11:35 I wonder what he was going to reference here
He was referencing the Naruto manga where kakashi does this to Naruto and calls it thousand years of pain.
Either I am a time traveler or Brandon has talked about most of this before. I don't hate it.
He has talked about most of this before lol
👍🏻
Dan, qual es el vino mas amargo?? Vino la suegra!
Perhaps the Bearglar and that family had a spat about housing REO's
Adoooonalsium
18:17 I agree with Sanderson most of the media is cherry picking for most of the stories
(both left and right)
It's interesting how this media divide occurs no matter *what* the "left" and "right" are. I think it's more that this happens regardless of any beliefs, that we cherry pick, that we have confirmation bias, etc. You will see such bias causing untruthful or misleading reporting for as long as news has been in circulation - in many ways the papers of the 20th century were worse than some of the prominent internet outlets of today. It is even easier to be in a bubble when you literally only ever see one source of news and don't have the whole internet with which to garner more information.
I wonder if chocolate is bad for bears.
Was the news EVER reliable?
poor Ben, people are probably nostalgic for elementary school aged ben!
The best cuisine in my life has been anything that's not from my hometown in Iowa. Sorry, there's lots to love about that Midwestern area, but any type of interesting or spicy food is not it.
Hang on, how is Dan both an LDS member and drinking a can of coke?
In case this wasn't sarcastic, Lots of us drink caffeine. Our church leaders have clarified that the rule was always just no coffee or tea and that culturally church members historically extended that to sodas and other drinks. But coke, etc. is cool now, thank goodness.
@@jmcott14 It wasn't sarcastic. I was genuinely confused. I thought LDS couldn't have caffeine, but it's just tea and coffee is it?
@@jmcott14 I'm confused though, why ban coffee and tea specifically? I understand not drinking caffeine, caffeine sucks. But its odd to me if it's just coffee/tea but not other forms of caffeine. Granted, there's not a lot of caffeine in Coke. Could an LDS member could have an energy drink?
@@cephandrius5281Like many things Mormon, it likely had something to do with early church settlement and member economics. (Don’t spend resources on frivolous wants.)
@cephandrius5281 The revelation that Joseph Smith recorded specifies "hot drinks," which has been interpreted by church leaders (early and current) to mean coffee and tea. The idea that the caffeine is the issue (including by some previous leaders in the church) is extrapolating, even though it is reasonable. Why these ones specifically, then? It's basically a matter of "God said so, and He blesses people who do what He asks them to," in my opinion
Fashion was good when trends weren't copied.
Please tell me that's not a pride T-shirt