Why We Get Hardstuck | The Fundamental Challenges of Learning

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  • čas přidán 13. 11. 2023
  • In this video I want to explore some of the most common challenges of learning and improvement. In life, we often want to get good at certain skills, and sometimes despite our best efforts, we can notice that we start to plateau. We might try to practice harder, and yet contrary to what we would expect, we still don't see the results that we're trying to achieve.
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Komentáře • 144

  • @Bleu_Sky
    @Bleu_Sky Před 7 měsíci +32

    Playing Reinhardt is just orisa giving you her complete attention for 20 minutes straight. Imagine charging into a brick wall forever, and the wall hates you. This is the tank experience.

    • @Casual314
      @Casual314  Před 7 měsíci +6

      Swapping on tank is unfortunately just the optimal way to play in the current state of the game. It probably won't change any time soon.

    • @seniordan12
      @seniordan12 Před 7 měsíci

      That's 20 minutes of orisa not bullying your backline tho

  • @shayes.x
    @shayes.x Před 7 měsíci +33

    I really enjoy how your videos pick apart the advice of higher level players. Not to say their perspective isn't valid, but that it isn't always accurate. For example a lot of high rank players I know say "you don't need aim trainers, just play the game," but I found aim training was incredibly beneficial to my gameplay personally.

    • @Casual314
      @Casual314  Před 7 měsíci +4

      I do find aim training to helpful as well in accelerating mechanical improvement especially for less mechanically skilled players. Glad you enjoy the videos.

  • @Stiffmiester979
    @Stiffmiester979 Před 7 měsíci +9

    The way i improved the most in the shortest amount of time was trying to be more aware of my own mistakes rather than teammates mistakes. Watching pro players and higher ranked games was also a great way to pick up new tricks or even change the way i thought about playing the game in general. Being able to recognize your mistakes is a large part of what holds people back from improving in general. How can you fix something when you dont even know what went wrong, right? Season 6-9 of Overwatch 1 i climbed from Gold to low masters from doing those things. Watching pro players and taking some tips away from their guides or streams, and being more self aware on what I can do to improve my games because that's all you can do reasonably to increase wins.

  • @Teflora
    @Teflora Před 7 měsíci +25

    A bias idk the name of I ran into in the past is seeing an obvious mistake of mine, but thinking "that was such a minor mistake, others made way bigger mistakes". It made me feel like even if I fix the mistake, it wouldn't have helped anyway. And from there it goes really easily into blaming others, protecting your own ego and so on.

    • @Casual314
      @Casual314  Před 7 měsíci +3

      I might categorize that under what is called the "self-serving bias" the tendency to attribute the success of the group to your own efforts, or conversely the tendency to attribute the failures of the group to other's efforts.

    • @strangejune
      @strangejune Před 7 měsíci +3

      It's possible that you're wrong and the mistake was much bigger than you think, but especially if you can't shake that feeling that "this is minor", it's entirely possible that, by that point, you've already made much larger mistakes that you simply haven't identified, which were much more responsible for a potential loss.

  • @SuperScopeRawks
    @SuperScopeRawks Před 7 měsíci +108

    I consider myself a fundamental player. I'm "stuck" high plat low diamond. Its hard for me to see what i can improve on because my mistakes are becoming less obvious.

    • @azura8675
      @azura8675 Před 7 měsíci +3

      What does fundamental player means?

    • @Bleu_Sky
      @Bleu_Sky Před 7 měsíci +24

      Yeah you're right, timing, coordination, cool down usage, abusing cover, being always aware of your teams positioning.
      Good luck after you leave diamond because the number of people who can help you are objectively smaller.

    • @Unknown-el1jy
      @Unknown-el1jy Před 7 měsíci +26

      U can’t see it yet but once u leave diamond you’ll notice how bad diamond players are, ur mistakes are very obvious u just don’t know what to look for

    • @houstonjohnson9939
      @houstonjohnson9939 Před 7 měsíci +2

      Same boat man, same boat.

    • @Yazimo
      @Yazimo Před 7 měsíci +8

      Its easy to improve when you spot your mistakes. VOD reviewing can be useful if you want to put time in since its much easier to pick up mistakes in a VOD than live game.

  • @allanredhill8682
    @allanredhill8682 Před 7 měsíci +33

    as someone that also studies illustration and animation almost everything you describe is also applicable to art (or other difficult skills). Love the content man - knowing how to learn things is a important skill not just for video games

    • @Casual314
      @Casual314  Před 7 měsíci +6

      Glad you enjoy the content, learning itself is indeed an important skill that is helpful in many areas of life.

  • @slimnagirac3393
    @slimnagirac3393 Před 7 měsíci +18

    Absolutely killing it with these videos! When talking about overcoming ‘Elo Hell’ one never expects to hear about biases. Overconfidence bias from reviewing games is something I personally struggle with even now. Understanding is key, but make sure you’re not being overly analytical.

    • @Casual314
      @Casual314  Před 7 měsíci +3

      I'm glad you enjoy the videos. It's always good to review games, just make sure that you're thinking about what you "could" have done, rather than thinking about what you "should" have done. Keep hypothesizing about how to improve, but also be skeptical about your own ideas, and you'll probably be on the right track.

  • @khmatrix
    @khmatrix Před 7 měsíci +5

    The highground example and "if only I-" plus the confidence bias examples is basically me, I wanna be better at this game that I invested so much time in and when an inconvenience happens or I mess up an engagement I get SO PRESSED about it and it SUCKS. I don't wanna get mad but I can't help getting mad and disappointed when a team jumps me or disrespects me and at the end of the day it drains me and therefore my mindset just turn into "please give me a good game where I can pop off" instead of a learning experience.

    • @Casual314
      @Casual314  Před 7 měsíci +4

      Indeed the game is frustrating, in large part due to some less than encouraging teammates. When you realize that you're frustrated, I would say try to take a step back and realize that you're just playing a video game, and not to take it too seriously, and not to take other people's random comments in chat seriously. If you consistently remind yourself of that, I think you can train yourself to be less emotionally impacted by the game, setting yourself up to actually learn and improve more efficiently.

    • @mathiaschristensen1194
      @mathiaschristensen1194 Před 7 měsíci

      If mechanics is what you wanna get better at, then unironically I suggest spamming a shit ton of deathmatch. The game sense things and such will naturally develop, especially if you supplement playing with watching good players play, and trying to adopt some of their good habits, though only ones you feel can apply to your current elo.
      I see a lot of low elo players thinking they can adopt some playstyles that high level players apply, even though those styles won't work with teammates that don't have the mechanical abilities and gamesense of said higher rank.
      I played Overwatch 1 throughout its entire lifespan and thus I developed alongside the rest of the playerbase, but if you start out in OW2, you are essentially jumping into a game where many players have a massive headstart on you in many regards. Keep at it, and don't let bad games or teammates discourage you from hitting requeue.

  • @8ightdaproducer556
    @8ightdaproducer556 Před 7 měsíci +2

    I started on gold 1 never played over watch before shot all the way down to Bronze 5 and now I’m in Plat 1 took about 3 seasons but my tío to everyone is always think what could I have done to win because even though my mechanics aren’t too 500 I know a top 500 player could carry on any of these lobbies so I know it’s possible and it’s possible for us all. Just recently I was placed in a gold 5 lobby and looking back I could only see how bad I was even though at the time I thought I was good. Now I know that if I keep trying to improve upon my mistakes at a certain point I’ll realize how bad I am now and keep ranking up. Hopefully everyone here can use this information as a tool.
    Update I hit diamond 1

  • @gracefulcharity8412
    @gracefulcharity8412 Před 7 měsíci +5

    I'm grateful to have found your channel. You've got some awesome content !!!

    • @Casual314
      @Casual314  Před 7 měsíci +1

      Thanks for the kind words, I'm really glad you enjoy the content 💖

  • @Kyrious
    @Kyrious Před 7 měsíci +1

    The way I like to improve. When I'm not lazy of course. I play until I lose, and then I watch the gameplay of my loss to see what mistakes I made. If I won a game or two before, I watch those games again to see if I am making the same mistakes I was able to identify in the loss.

  • @RobertPazurek
    @RobertPazurek Před 7 měsíci +4

    Very interesting summary of the different bias types, thanks.
    For me the most fundamental concept in learning is progressive overload. I use that with my sports clients as well, not only for strength training but especially for learning motor control and movement skills.
    To learn anything the best state to be in is to be challenged but not overwhelmed.
    If you are bored, you most likely won't progress a lot (sometimes you roll, sometimes you learn...) if you are completely overwhelmed you can't take anything out of the experience because you're way to stressed.
    Unfortunately this is not at all reflected by a ranked system. When starting overwatch there was so much going on, I played Moira to get the least challenging mechanics and get a basic idea of what you actually had to do. I also heal boted and only focused on not standing in the direct line of fire of the enemy team.
    As you progress and the enemies get better and better the situation doesn't change that much, it only happens on different levels.
    So the hard part is to figure something out to focus on and also figure out how to practice that efficiently. That's in my eyes the most important role of a coach. It also is something that's really hard to do on your own (though reflecting on that can give you a lot of insight as well). In the end there'll be some point where it's almost impossible for the average player to progress without help I think. You see this in all other areas as well, if you want to get better you need someone to help you (otherwise there would be no sports coaches).
    And then there's the question what you actually want to achieve. When are you content with the state you are in and just enjoy a good match 😁.

    • @Casual314
      @Casual314  Před 7 měsíci +1

      I do find that with learning the brain also works on a "progressive overload" principle. I would agree that the ranked system doesn't really reflect progress in real-time since there's a "grind" aspect to it, so besides skill, time is also a limiting factor. I think one of the reasons ranked can be a difficult environment for optimizing "progressive overload" is because of the relatively loose matchmaking, resulting in too high of a skill difference in many games which makes it difficult for players to effectively find ways to improve.

    • @RobertPazurek
      @RobertPazurek Před 7 měsíci

      @@Casual314 exactly. At my level I can at least try to focus on some basic concepts that depend mainly on me. Like using cover and hitting crouch from time to time (at least I don't jump midfights as I trained that away with iostux aim trainer early on).
      I imagine it's getting harder and harder the more subtle and interwoven with your team stuff gets.
      Also almost forgot: one of my top recommendations for neuro biology aspects (learning and others) is @hubermanlab . He explains everything really understandable.

  • @wintercold4776
    @wintercold4776 Před 7 měsíci +3

    These are the kinds of videos that break the algorithm. Thank you for this content

    • @Casual314
      @Casual314  Před 7 měsíci

      Thanks, glad you enjoy the videos

  • @aotaslays
    @aotaslays Před 6 měsíci

    Very interesting bro 👏 good food for thought

  • @joshuawilliams9560
    @joshuawilliams9560 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Such a great video. Thank you sir.

    • @Casual314
      @Casual314  Před 7 měsíci

      Thanks for watching, I appreciate the support 💖

  • @Lily-gr1ct
    @Lily-gr1ct Před 7 měsíci +2

    9:29 "tbagging as if he didn't whiff the whole mag. Goofball"

    • @Casual314
      @Casual314  Před 7 měsíci +1

      Haha had to give the bag because of the earlier trash talk. In my defense, it's hard to hit consistent shots on close range fast moving targets with a burst weapon.

  • @crealiuss
    @crealiuss Před 7 měsíci

    I’ve always been a burst improvement person we’re It takes me longer than most to get down the basics, but once I get the basics down I rapidly get better. This holds true for overwatch I was stuck in gold for a year but after a short comp break I rapidly climbed from gold to masters in around 2 months. It’s just how I improve and finding the learning pattern for yourself is very important for self improvement.

  • @reesu8507
    @reesu8507 Před 7 měsíci

    Off topic, but I like the "you're a superstar" lofi remix in the background lol, what's the name?

  • @AreoSky
    @AreoSky Před 7 měsíci

    I like this video! I like how you talk about different strategies and ideas like the dunning Kruger effect and conformation bias. I would love to see you talk about cpunterpicking vs mastery. 😮

    • @Casual314
      @Casual314  Před 7 měsíci

      Glad you enjoy the videos. That's not a bad idea for a topic, might add it to the list for future videos.

  • @expertshark9424
    @expertshark9424 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Just got to masters recently, thanks for the input i hope to get to gm soon

    • @Casual314
      @Casual314  Před 7 měsíci

      Congratulations on reaching a huge milestone, best of luck on your journey to GM

  • @val26874
    @val26874 Před 6 měsíci

    I'm switching over to the Finals for now but I think this will still be very relavent.

  • @carlosmandujano1797
    @carlosmandujano1797 Před 7 měsíci

    Thank you hopefully my comp teammates see this instead of going 11-10 and blaming me for over pushing

  • @maldeluze2036
    @maldeluze2036 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Hey @Casual
    I post this here since I really don't know were else. Found your channel some time ago and appreciated the content so far. AND... I started playing OW2 last month or so 🤔 I have like 40'ish hours of gameplay and it's really not going well for me :/ I play DPS (tho' i started by playing Orisa and found myself living "the tank life", so i changed roles) and i absolutely don't know how/were to practice and/or improve : unranked is an absolute zoo (smurfs, low ranks like me, Diamond players that ended up being matched with me for some reasons, etc...), VS A.I is clearly not the way since most teams are made of 5 DPS' trying to survive with health pack - except for Soldiers, and i'm clearly not ready for Competitive... So... What are my options ? Practice Range ? Paying a coach ? I don't know anymore.
    Most players in really low ranks (and maybe above) do not care. They just don't. And as someone who cares about learning and actually becoming decent - not even good - at the OW2... It's frustrating. How can a 5v5 PVP game can encourage it's players to be so "selfish" (for a lack of a better term). It's like 10 players living their own life, but there's 2 "teams". Toxicity's everywhere, in game and on the internet (Reddit, X, CZcams, etc...). Most of the times, players tend to flame "noobs" for asking questions or not being really competent at the game, at least from my experience and people i know.
    I feel like Blizzard's not motivated to give newcomers (i never played OW1 or OW2 season debuts) a proper way to train themselves. But hey, it's just my humble opinion.
    Anyway, good day everyone and nice video !

    • @mathiaschristensen1194
      @mathiaschristensen1194 Před 7 měsíci +2

      Overwatch 1 and 2 both had this issue tbh. It is such a complicated shooter to get into, especially this late into its lifecycle where you'll be so far behind majority of the playerbase, that it's impossible to pick up on what you're doing wrong or to improve when you just get stomped.
      I quit a while ago, cause I havent been a fan of the move to 5v5 and other balance changes, but I did play OW1 in its entire lifespan and the game can be absolutely magical to play, especially starting out, so don't give up just yet.

    • @maldeluze2036
      @maldeluze2036 Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@mathiaschristensen1194 Thank you for your words !
      I persevered and went in Competitve for the first time, tried to complete/win at least 5 games... And I ended up Silver 3 ! I was both surprised and puzzled 😂
      To be frank, I like the game and I strongly hope it does not give me any reason to quit or just hating it. I feel like OW2 is a weird combination of Hype or Hate Train : sometimes it's the GOAT, and sometimes it's the worst game of the decade. Guess it comes from it being F2P 🤔

  • @queenbeebuzz5075
    @queenbeebuzz5075 Před 7 měsíci

    I just learn better when someone explains why what i thought was correct was incorrect. If i am just told im wrong but never given any explanation it dosent stick because I cant understand.

  • @TornsMcgee
    @TornsMcgee Před 7 měsíci +2

    You're making me want to play OW again...😂

  • @aotaslays
    @aotaslays Před 6 měsíci

    My skill level must capped due to all the biases you just explained 😭

  • @TheLeetCasualGamer
    @TheLeetCasualGamer Před 7 měsíci

    The problem is I play Tank when I get better results on DPS/support

  • @6torthor
    @6torthor Před 7 měsíci

    tl;dr always have a learning mindset. Delves into the specifics and certain biases in learnings

  • @rationaldemon195
    @rationaldemon195 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Knowing and understanding are 2 different meanings is how i put the topic of learning anything.
    You know why you lost but you didn't understood why you lost, it sounds similiar but like how i always say: knowing and understanding is what makes the difference of learning.
    Hard part is that its hard to understand in the game of overwatch where you have confilcting information on all sides, the only consistency they bring is getting better but not how to improve on certain things.
    High tier players may know what the right thing to do but explaining that to new player isn't something anyone can do not to mention that their understanding of the game can be erronious due to expierence and ease of adapting scewing their knowledge and success as being true, if you can brute force to success with innate skill that doesnt translate well to anyone else but themselves, they don't realise that and think they need to improve a certain point to get the gist of their information.
    Practicing is one aspect of learning but are missing 3 more elements like observering, reading, and planning.

    • @Casual314
      @Casual314  Před 7 měsíci +1

      I think that's a great point. An analogy that I like to think of when it comes to levels of understanding is when we talk to native speakers of a language, and ask them to explain their own grammar. It's easy for native speakers to produce and verify correct grammar, but rarely can they actually explain to a learner what the rules actually are, and sometimes even the native speaker gets it wrong. In games, high level players can often tell you what they would have done, but rarely can you find someone that can actually articulate the underlying fundamentals that make that decision good which can lead to confusion on the part of the listener.

  • @MrSonictheOtter
    @MrSonictheOtter Před 6 měsíci

    I notice my mistakes have gotten harder to recognize. Although some of my habits have become recurrent in my own reviews. I realized I'm stubborn at times and tunnel on a target for too long. Sometimes I'm slow to notice my enemies and my team's rotations leaving me behind and out of position. How to fix them? Not sure yet. Maybe through repeatedly noticing these things, I can stop myself from repeating my same mistakes.

  • @Taylor95x
    @Taylor95x Před 6 měsíci

    Spotted the psychology student

  • @chloeeig
    @chloeeig Před 7 měsíci

    the think about is each time i keep winning then losing and keep trading my wins for lost and game just puts me in the same elo lmao, like i just cant move

  • @moirxi
    @moirxi Před 7 měsíci +3

    what are your visual settings? brightness contrast, and graphic settigngs etc your game looks so beautiful compared to mine!

    • @Casual314
      @Casual314  Před 7 měsíci +1

      I play on max settings, and I also have the color saturation turned up. Your GPU probably has filters that allow you to change the color among other things. You lose a few FPS, but it improves the image quality in my opinion.

    • @moirxi
      @moirxi Před 7 měsíci

      @@Casual314thank you so much i do apprreciate it

  • @Ayzlxn
    @Ayzlxn Před 7 měsíci

    I started playing comp around 2 months ago and I’ve been stuck in gold 4 this whole time basically 😭

  • @PineappleSquuid
    @PineappleSquuid Před 7 měsíci +1

    Loved the vibe on this one, great vid brother

    • @Casual314
      @Casual314  Před 7 měsíci

      Thanks man, always appreciate your continued support

    • @PineappleSquuid
      @PineappleSquuid Před 7 měsíci

      @@Casual314 no problem, it’s pretty easy to support someone with such consistently good content. Keep up the work man!

  • @michaelpellegrini4756
    @michaelpellegrini4756 Před 7 měsíci

    I agree with everything you said. However, the variable is we assume the rules are applied to all evenly and we know blizzard doesn’t give two shits about its player base. I’m sure preferential treatment is given to new accounts, how often you purchase the battle pass, how many skins did you purchase, how many complaints did you make, etc.

  • @magicjuan8604
    @magicjuan8604 Před 7 měsíci +3

    That Mei Tbag 😂

  • @yaoipurpleheart
    @yaoipurpleheart Před 7 měsíci

    I genuinely don’t know what to do when my tanks are going 3-16 so many games.

  • @rayman964
    @rayman964 Před 7 měsíci +1

    im too old to rank up. If im hardstuck somewhere, its most likely because i reached my peak. Which is barely diamond on tank role. It feels great to rank up and such but i dont see benefits for doing so. The rewards for being top 500 are some spray and icon player? Apart from comp points, title and gold weapons? I don't see the point in trying my best. I dunno..

    • @Casual314
      @Casual314  Před 7 měsíci

      I think that's totally fair, beyond Diamond I do think the game takes quite a bit of commitment to push further, and ultimately everyone no matter how skilled will always reach their peak at some point so eventually just enjoying the game for what it is isn't a bad idea.

  • @Nortio
    @Nortio Před 7 měsíci +3

    As an above average player on console(mid master to high master at my peak) ps4 to now having a pc and being silver because i cannot execute what i want to do. I cant aim the mouse and my fingers are clumsy and feel awkward and weird on a keyboard i constantly press the wrong buttons. I know how the game works, i know how to play and what to do but i cant do it

    • @petiteexplication6249
      @petiteexplication6249 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Necalli spotted

    • @24heavy69
      @24heavy69 Před 7 měsíci +1

      was you at first but im better at it now

    • @Nortio
      @Nortio Před 7 měsíci

      @@petiteexplication6249 how do you know my in game name???

    • @petiteexplication6249
      @petiteexplication6249 Před 7 měsíci

      Because you have necalli in ur profile pic

    • @Casual314
      @Casual314  Před 7 měsíci

      Mechanical competency is important, especially if your goal is to get to the masters level. In my experience, it can take up to a year to really get the hang of PC FPS controls, to the point where every movement is second nature.

  • @carston855
    @carston855 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Haha I had such bad confirmation bias when I started playing overwatch. I was one tricking mccree and constantly going for high noon flanks, I hard carried games up to low plat and then got massively stuck with no idea why. I heard later it was an extremely common problem with mccree players.

    • @mathiaschristensen1194
      @mathiaschristensen1194 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Plat is infamously known as the worst feeling rank to play in, at least back in OW1. Plat just has such a wide mix of skill levels, compared to other ranks, that if you're unlucky enough, you'll end up with the lower end of that spectrum on your team, while the other team has the high end.

  • @wankerwacker7948
    @wankerwacker7948 Před 7 měsíci

    this looks so different for some reason. the video looks so much better than mine lmao

  • @thousandstar
    @thousandstar Před 5 měsíci

    this reminds me why i quit playing rank. im just not that guy. il stick to quick play

  • @roberthickman4092
    @roberthickman4092 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Training data for human learning is much the same as data for training an ANN, we are collecting information to map 'if I'm in situation A' to 'I should do action B'. Something not working as expected is always the result of missing information.I'm not a gamer, but the exact same problems this video raises are a very serious problem in music education, and people's attachments to 'tradition' are a huge problem in that space. Playing instruments is not very hard, it just takes a lot of time to learn, and there are a lot of cultural myths around the skill that are extremely damaging.

  • @bigchungus7098
    @bigchungus7098 Před 6 měsíci

    Being talented simply refers to the black box that is the brain performing better, faster, and more resourcefully in less time. While raw IQ probably isn't solely responsible, you are less likely to find lower IQ players in higher lobbies because they are not cognitively sharp enough to keep up, or to get there in under how ever many thousands of hours unlike other players that have more genetically gifted cognitive abilities. Talent refers to the fact that complexity acts as a barrier for human comprehension, but reaction time correlates heavily with IQ as well. This means that in general overall cognitive ability should correlate with competitive ranking in video games. After all, being a competitive player requires you to learn faster, be quicker, and win more. Persistence can make up for laziness, but if the gifted individual you are playing against isn't actually lazy, then you simply can not complete. This leads to a sense of inferiority in people as a natural consequence. When your only strength is another person's weakness, that isn't actually a strength. It is a reflection of your own weakness.

  • @criimsontale
    @criimsontale Před 7 měsíci

    Dude please please do a collab with Spilo that video would be such an incredibly massive W for OverWatch player psychology!!!

  • @tryhardharris
    @tryhardharris Před 7 měsíci

    But what if you are always right and never wrong? Like everyone knows that I am always right about everything?

  • @rolytnz
    @rolytnz Před 7 měsíci +1

    While this is interesting, the issue with gettting hard-stuck is that OW2 is a team game. So your advancement is relying on the capability of others which can vary wildly. It's easy to be a good player with good teammates, but you can be a good player in a bad team and you will lose - you can only hard carry so much.

    • @urnansflipflop7894
      @urnansflipflop7894 Před 7 měsíci

      Your team is going to be good enough to win more often than not, and you only need 55% winrate to climb, stop blaming your team

    • @Casual314
      @Casual314  Před 7 měsíci +2

      I do hear this point being made a lot. The reason I would say that advancement doesn't rely on your team would simply because the people high ranked must have gotten there for some reason. If it's possible for them to do it, it must be possible for anyone since we're all playing the same game.

    • @mathiaschristensen1194
      @mathiaschristensen1194 Před 7 měsíci

      While yes Overwatch is a team game at the higher ranks, it really isn't in the lower ones. It may LOOK like it, but you can absolutely tip the scales by yourself in said ranks.

    • @TSGC16
      @TSGC16 Před 7 měsíci

      This is a cope. If you were good enough you would still lose SOME games but you WILL still win most and climb. There is no excuse

  • @cogginsnuff
    @cogginsnuff Před 7 měsíci

    what big load of true

  • @aeloh6921
    @aeloh6921 Před 7 měsíci

    Self VOD review is so difficult because I don't know what I don't know, you know? Feels like I'm just running around in circles playing an unscientific guessing game. Another issue is that playing a certain way might work 5 games in a row and then not work for the next five and its very hard to tell why it worked before and isn't working now. It's unfortunate that all the good coaches seem to live in wealthy countries and charge accordingly. I got a free session once from a random GM player but his advice contradicted some better know coaches content and it just left me more confused ultimately..... At least the game is fun

    • @mathiaschristensen1194
      @mathiaschristensen1194 Před 7 měsíci

      Flexibility will get you far in Overwatch. That and great mechanics, which can be practiced outside of ranked. I can play every hitscan including Tracer and Genji competently, though mainly specialize in Tracer and that helped me immensely. You gotta go into ranked games, especially in the lower ranks, with the mindset that you while you have a team, you gotta answer the core issues that are caused by the enemy team yourself. (Within reason of course). Example would be they have pharmercy, you go hitscan to contest her or bap/ana if you on support etc.

  • @thatonekid3870
    @thatonekid3870 Před 6 měsíci

    wait i didn't get all that, can you explain it one more time

  • @quantumwitcher9376
    @quantumwitcher9376 Před 7 měsíci

    I've been hardstuck and even regressed to lower ranks lmao and ive been olaying OW since the beta in 2016 😅

  • @k24kai06
    @k24kai06 Před 7 měsíci

    Your footage is so wide, its like being at the cinema😂

  • @ReedoTV
    @ReedoTV Před 6 měsíci

    I was sure I was hardstuck in ELO hell... until I started climbing

  • @PerpetuusTenebris
    @PerpetuusTenebris Před 7 měsíci

    9:25 bro in chat had the same reaction I did lmfao

  • @wildshpeehunter8265
    @wildshpeehunter8265 Před 7 měsíci

    The ranked system also just sucks :C

  • @BenMCramer
    @BenMCramer Před 7 měsíci

    i think “playing a lot of games in gold” makes you very good at playing in gold elo. that doesn’t necessarily translate to winning in plat, so the pro advice of keep playing eventually falls short

    • @Chai_586
      @Chai_586 Před 6 měsíci

      Just get good jeffy

  • @arikrex9978
    @arikrex9978 Před 7 měsíci

    Wouldn't thinking about your mistakes after death cause an issue as you only think about why you died? You could have made a mistake causing you to have less impact but not notice it as the last thing that happened was you dying

    • @Unknown-el1jy
      @Unknown-el1jy Před 7 měsíci +1

      An easy way around this is to always be thinking about apm (actions per minute) which is something I learned from karq a long time ago like ow1, actions are healing, dmg, reloading, abilities, just maximize those every chance u get ofc ability cycling is slightly different

    • @Casual314
      @Casual314  Před 7 měsíci

      It's more about thinking about what you "could" have done better, not about knowing what you "should" have done, because if you knew what you should have done you probably would have already did it and not died. The point is that you should take the 30 seconds of respawn time to make some mental notes about what may have gone wrong from spawn to death so that you're at least prepared to make some changes.

  • @Chai_586
    @Chai_586 Před 6 měsíci

    Plat hard stuck is a thing. Since the system wants everyone locked there

  • @Soundwave1900
    @Soundwave1900 Před 6 měsíci

    And this is why I don't like saying "wow how talented you are" as a compliment. The person you've "complemented" has likely put hundreds of hours to get where they are and went through a lot of struggles and brick walls yet you handwave it as "he's just got lucky with talent at birth". Its even worse if someone doesn't even try to learn something they want to do because "I know i'm not talented so what's the point of even trying". That's just a lazy excuse. The thing with OW is to climb you have to treat the game as an actual hobby. You gotta learn skillsets, make sure they stick, and add onto them more and more. You basically have to treat is as an actual job which you're not getting paid for.

  • @sylvie6598
    @sylvie6598 Před 7 měsíci

    The thing is, you can’t quantify value in a game as complex as ow. You need experience. Every high elo player has around a thousand hours minimum. You could go on forever giving specific winning interactions, but it would go so much faster if you played the game and die. You would be surprised that when you “feel” like you get value, you genuinely are. And also, what’s the actual point of the video?

  • @mythiy1732
    @mythiy1732 Před 7 měsíci

    Does casual reply 😢

  • @Umbrasana
    @Umbrasana Před 7 měsíci +1

    How do I just avoid idiot team mates?
    I practice, I flex, I follow all steps for higher ranks but keep getting stuck with genji mains or bronzes that are in gold. I don’t understand.

    • @lavellewelch607
      @lavellewelch607 Před 7 měsíci +1

      This! While I agree with much of what he says. I just dont know how much it applies to overwatch and other team-based experiences. No matter what, you can only do so much. Its the nature of the game.

    • @Casual314
      @Casual314  Před 7 měsíci +1

      I would say it applies a lot to Overwatch. The people who are higher rank than you achieved that rank for some reason. It's not always easy to identify what that reason is, but it's definitely real and if we're playing competitively it's our job to figure it out.

    • @Umbrasana
      @Umbrasana Před 7 měsíci

      Yea hopefully with the new rework of the ranking system we'll have more control over our own rank. Or I just gotta git gud. :/@@Casual314

  • @sadovuato
    @sadovuato Před 7 měsíci

    Hard stuck has 0 reflection on skill.
    It’s entirely your MMR rating.
    Let’s say you spend 3 seasons in gold 3 before ranking up. The games MMR places you as gold 3. Because you’ve been there for 3 seasons, it’s very convinced you’re good 3. Due to the longevity of being there, it makes it harder to move up. Even if I’m the 4th season you go 15-0, you don’t rank up because the game is 110% confident you’re a gold 3 player and nothing more.
    The key tk fixing this is
    A. Quit for a few seasons to give your MMR a soft reset
    B. Yearly MMR reset (new feature in 2024)
    C. New account

    • @Casual314
      @Casual314  Před 7 měsíci

      You're not incorrect about MMR affecting climbing speed, but I wouldn't necessarily call that hardstuck, strictly speaking. But I would agree that from a practical viewpoint it can feel like one is stuck because the amount of time it would take to "fix" the MMR is prohibitively long.

  • @strangejune
    @strangejune Před 7 měsíci

    From my time playing other competitive games, I would like to expand on the idea of feedback to judge your plays.
    When you're trying something new, you should be especially careful about reflecting on your mistakes. Because you're doing something new, you're outside of your comfort zone, so it's always possible that you are doing worse by virtue of experimenting. Getting used to playing with that new strategy or avoiding doing that one bad thing is going to be difficult, because you're playing outside your comfort zone - you'll probably play worse than usual while you're learning it.
    Admittedly it's much more responsive in fighting games where there isn't nearly as much input out of your control, which is where I learned these concepts, but I'll give an example: Let's say you're a silver Widow trying to improve your consistency because you seem to die a lot. You had a friend or coach or streamer review your vod, and tell you that your positioning is too aggressive, so it's easier to kill you. The next few games you queue, you try to position less "aggressive" than you are used to. You notice you have less deaths overall, but also that you aren't getting as many picks as you did before, and that you don't feel like you're doing as much. In this example, as the widowmaker, you need to adjust to playing at these new positions before you can get consistently better value with this strategy than you did before. Even if all of the games you've played since switching were losses, that doesn't mean your strategy is worse and that you're wasting your time.
    Admittedly this one can be hard to deal with if you care a lot about your rank - you *will* inevitably lose games that you wouldn't have otherwise lost by experimenting with different strategies. That's okay! That's how you learn. It's also okay that not everything you try is going to work out. You might still end up needing to revise or scrap the things you were experimenting with. If your goal is to improve, this is how that process works.

    • @Casual314
      @Casual314  Před 7 měsíci +1

      I think this is a great point. The losses that are inevitably caused by trying new things is I think a major reason that many players may hit a wall in their improvement. When we don't want to risk demoting, we instinctually only play within what we're comfortable doing, which in the long term makes it difficult to really acquire new skills.

  • @john-uy7dr
    @john-uy7dr Před 7 měsíci

    The fact that meta exists says allot. Not saying what he saying does not have sense to it.

  • @Meowblivion
    @Meowblivion Před 7 měsíci

    I'm hardstuck because I'm on fucking console!

  • @OO-il6sl
    @OO-il6sl Před 7 měsíci

    The final question really becomes "How are we SUPPOSED to play?" which I recommend Awkwards content for ranked at least, and otherwise (scrim/team game) is more or less the same except more grouping or gameplans

    • @Casual314
      @Casual314  Před 7 měsíci

      Awkward is the GOAT when it comes to creating instruction manuals for Overwatch

  • @zee1514
    @zee1514 Před 6 měsíci +1

    I'm sorry but I was here to get good not a therapy session 😭
    What was u yapping about like what

  • @nathanosman5606
    @nathanosman5606 Před 7 měsíci

    Tired of the useless DPS I get every match and if I go DPS the supports only heal tank. Solo is trash, if have no one to play with just play un ranked.

  • @DWN-024ShadowMan
    @DWN-024ShadowMan Před 7 měsíci

    I understood nothing 😔

    • @Casual314
      @Casual314  Před 7 měsíci

      😞

    • @DWN-024ShadowMan
      @DWN-024ShadowMan Před 7 měsíci

      @@Casual314 It's not you, its my gold brain 😆. I do keep thinking that the game needs proper tutorials for each type of map. I'll watch the video again and pay more attention and try to understand, maybe I'll just listen because the gameplay was too distracting lol that Mei had me hollering 🤣

    • @cuteponyboy
      @cuteponyboy Před 7 měsíci +2

      @@DWN-024ShadowMan There is no point in trying to understand anything in this video, this guy's videos really just contain irrelevant, useless jargon intended to sound intelligent. Nowhere in this video does he prescribe any solution or fix to any issues, he takes 16 minutes to tell people about different types of biases that may lead to decreased learning progression.

  • @nathanosman5606
    @nathanosman5606 Před 7 měsíci

    Playing against PC players doesn’t help neither. Mfs have way better aim, so easy to play on PC.

  • @DaltonRayStephens
    @DaltonRayStephens Před 7 měsíci +1

    Bruh talking like a science professor to help people climb in overwatch. Ain’t 1 person climbing 1 rank in this game from nothing said In this video.

  • @pewpew518
    @pewpew518 Před 7 měsíci +1

    I think you’ve lost the plot on this one mate. If you find yourself in elo hell then you’re not counter swapping enough. In this game you don’t outskill your opponents. You out swap their tank. Doom giving you problems? Go cree and press E every time you see him. Dude I’ve had that mag grenade get off the ground, make a 90 degree turn and hit me inside a room as doom. Competitive in this game is a joke.

    • @johnbreadon4370
      @johnbreadon4370 Před 6 měsíci

      Gotta disagree, the fact that you said the only way to climb is counterswap is also why comp is so bad, I get it helps but it also hurts every player since counterswapping isn't skillful. A monkey could pick orisa against doomfist and still get as much value as a top 500 player. I think he makes amazing points and winning isn't just based on wins and losses, it's also psychological

  • @Dreamlink91
    @Dreamlink91 Před 5 měsíci +1

    jesus just get to the point instead of reading psychology, everyone knows what luck is and why people call someone lucky because its excuse for themselves being bad..holy f

  • @Theregulersonicfan
    @Theregulersonicfan Před 6 měsíci

    If you’re stuck in bronze just give up

  • @Spaceman429
    @Spaceman429 Před 6 měsíci +1

    The first three and a half minutes of this video was the biggest waste of time ever.

  • @rozayvii
    @rozayvii Před 7 měsíci +2

    Useless