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Lost Gene Krupa Drum Set Discovered in 2023 with Brooks Tegler and Steve Stevens - EP213
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- čas přidán 13. 08. 2023
- Gene Krupa's 1954 Slingerland Radio King drum set was recently discovered and rescued from sitting in a wet basement for the last few decades via an online auction that caught the drum world by storm. I am joined today by the winner of this iconic set, Steve, and GK authentication expert, Brooks Tegler, to hear the full story of this legendary kit. This drum set was featured on the cover of the Drummin' Men book, the Krupa and Rich album, it was used in The Benny Goodman Story Film, and was used by Gene extensively around the world for 3 years!
This drum set is as iconic as it gets and is possibly the last full Gene Krupa drum set to be found. Enjoy this incredible piece of history and thanks to Brooks and Steve for sharing this story with me!
Here are Brooks' other episodes and CZcams videos that he has done with me:
"Whats wrong with the Gene Krupa Story (CZcams only): • What's Wrong with the ...
EP84 The Ultimate Gene Krupa Gear Guide with Brooks Tegler: www.drumhistor...
EP 14 - Discovering Gene Krupa's Lost Drum Collection with Brooks Tegler: www.drumhistor...
EP 7 - Gene Krupa: The Father of Modern Drumming with Brooks Tegler: www.drumhistor...
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Hey Everyone - the million dollar question is "How much did the kit cost?" Let's have some fun here and comment what you think the price for the GK drum set was? - Don't cheat :)
I'll post the answer after a little while
10 grand?
I saw what it went for. Ridiculously low! A great find for the owner.
$2,500 ?
do tell@@GRohn61
$12,050??
Amazing story !!! 🎉
I'm 66yrs old & just purchased a starter drum kit, to take lessons. Never too old ! 👍
Awesome! You have picked the right instrument :)
Awesome 😎 welcome to the Drumming community ❤!!!!
Gene was a family friend for many years and I got to meet him in 1973 shortly before his death, when he came to CT. He was overjoyed to see my mother, aunt and uncle, whom he had known for decades. He was very nice to me, and as a 17 year old rock drummer, he told me that I should do what he always wanted to do....be a percussionist in the Boston Symphony Orchestra !!! That his drums passed through Charlie Donnelly's vintage drum store in is no surprise to me...he knew Gene and would talk to me about him and my uncle, who also was a drummer and who was close with Gene. I lived only 2 miles from that drum shop and still own a beautiful Leedy, ( Slingerland) wood finish kit I bought from Charlie in 1970 ! One of my most prized possessions is a sepia Krupa publicity photo that he signed and gave to my mother at her 16th birthday party in the late 1930s. It was penned in silver ink and included a gracious personal note to her. I am glad that these drums have been saved and serve to bring back the memory of the great Gene Krupa !
Thanks for sharing 🙏
Perhaps this kit that was found was gifted to your uncle by Gene then hensold it. Or Gene sold it/raffled it off through the drum shop.
I work with Gene from 1965 to 1968 it was basically a whole review, Gene did his two songs including Sing Sing Sing . The rest of the band did dance music , nothing really hard rock , but Mercy , Mercy ,, Mercy , that was a small singer male, and a female and like I said, we also did some standards, during this time, Gene would always be either introducing, some of the players, or just disappearing. It’s funny last year, and Gene died in 1973. So the interview I recently heard was somewhere between 1968 and 1972, Gene was talking about a lot of different things, the old he also started talking about the time when I was working with him, he didn’t mention anybody by name, but he said we were working at the Métropole café, and at the Metropole café it was on the ground floor, but we also played on the second floor, it was more of a show room, not a bar, the space on the ground floor was a bar with tables and had opened front door and windows, that people actually stood out in the sidewalk and could watch a whole show. You couldn’t see very clearly, but if the doors were open on the summer night the sidewalk was always pack with people . Besides a Metropole café we did some traveling to Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia . Gene was sick with leukemia, so his drumming was limited , but he never showed it, and he always gave his drum solo 100% of his energy. When the band was together work, and Gene was always respectful to us, but during his interview, he said when we played the Metropole café, like I said, it had a ground floor a second floor, and another long staircase that went to the dressing rooms, Gene said that he almost got a heart attack, running away , up all those steps to get away from the music we were playing, he said he had a run up two big flights of stairs to get to the dressing rooms , to get away from us, I never knew he disliked the music so much . Some of the guys in the band was season jazz guys. It was like a 16 piece review, and the four horn players, all jazz guys, singers , dances and like I said, it was nowhere near hard rock. It was songs like Mercy Mercy, Mercy, . I’m your Puppet , . Knock on Wood , .One o’clock jump., . Take five , Classical Gas . Krupa did not like rock music at all, the slightest bit of pop influence, and he was turned off. If it wasn’t classical, music, or jazz, he was very opinionated, I really found that out through that interview, although I know, he always loves classical and jazz, I didn’t realize how much is a disliked pop music .. So I found all this out like 50 years after I worked with him
@@franksaladino3938 thanks for your reflections, Frank, that is really valuable information there. But really, can you blame the guy? If you know about his history, going back to Chicago, he was really a pure Chicago jazz man from his earliest days. He could not understand the hard simple style of rock and funk, etc. Buddy, rich maid, attempts to be “current“ and play “rock“ but in the end it always sounded like old great swinging Buddy anyway. But you have to respect jeans traditional tastes. I’ve always kept an open mind to new styles of music, but I literally can’t stand really loud, heavy electronic club music, “electronica”… It’s painful for me, some of it is really shit. Just my opinion, but I’m 60 so there you go.
❤This is so historically exciting in so many ways. We can actually have a conversation on a famous historic drummers' equipment some 70 years old. Thanks Bart, Brooks and Steve for such an important drum equipment back story. ❤
It is beyond cool, this is probably my favorite episode so far! Thank you for watching
Mind-blowing and so exciting. Krupa was my first inspiration and my pathway to drums. Have always idolized him and I’m so glad this kit was saved! Thank you for preserving its history!
Couldn't agree more, thanks for watching!
I have photos of Gene Krupa playing his kit with that same Slingerland logo.
Excellent! 25 years ago i purchased a WMP Gene Krupa deluxe 1N kit from 1948/49. Came from a widow on Long Island. Mint except 1 cigarette burn on the top of the 24 in. Bass drum. Played them for 10 years in a swing band. Killer drums!
That's great, I have been doing a little day dreaming about getting a Radio King set and that sounds like a great kit that you had! The cig burn ads character :)
Yes! Widow would not reveal her husband's name. Still have the drums. Hoping for another old man band someday!
speaking of ICONIC legendary drums check THIS OUT! if any of you guys are buddy fans (i'm one of his biggest fans spoke w him hung out w him smoked pot w him etc etc but was never a ("close friend per se anyhow if you really read the traps book you'll find that he was first discovered by a drummer in vaudeville and that it was the stratford theater in stamford ct. ( sadly torched on purpose by a moron around 15 years or less ago very sad) but the book never named this "unk. drummer..well, i found out exactly who that drummer was! its a loong story but heres it is thumbnail i was hanging around w this older drummer a husband of a woman my mother played cards w once a month his name was ernie beyers..ernie told me his father was a house drummer in vaudeville at the stratford theater..well guess what? (and i HAD this info LONG before that book was even printed in fact buddy was still alive at this point) i asked well what was your fathers name he said "fritzy beyers) and he added that traps once played on his kit! i said no shit? he said nope NO shit! i asked him if i could see them he said sure..well luckily he lived in orange ct on the border of west haven ct on melloy rd. so i drove over just to see this kit i was in AWE it was set up in the mans basement minty as could be tacked bottom heads and it was i BELIEVE a wfl kit.. white marine 100% complete! i BEGGED this guy to please will me those drums so that i could donate the kit to a museum bc i to this day think that kit is even MORE important than ANY kit buddy used..it was THEE SET he was discovered on (you all now the story buddy told it many times i started as a little child and i sat on a drummers lap and this drummer noticed i was keeping time not just hap hazzardly hitting junk) of course ive shortened ND Paraphrased this quote) but you get the point anyhow i never got the drums bc his brother bobby was still alive and he PROB and i do mean i SURE DO HOPE bobby got them and hopefully his wife didnt just fling the dMNED THINGS off in the paper or some crap its been a very long time since ive seen bobby but doubt he could still be alive bc he was older in 1985 when i was told this story i only half bought bc why WOULD i buy a story like thAT BUT after reading the traps book and whenever tehy mentioned the stratford theater i KNEW at that point the story i had been true and completely truthful..sadly bobby didnt will them to me either so yeah the last and only time i sAW THAT SET was easily nearing 40 years ago now..ugh anyhows thats the story and i'm sure its correct and true now the book that came out 9 years or so later absolutely proved it to me..a and even though ernie allowed me to play it i dared not.. sadly i didnt even get a pic w them bc ernie had passed rather rapidly and i thought i had more time to revisit him and those drums..sad
Fantastic ! Like other comments on here, so glad that this kit has been saved. 🥁🥁🥁
Hands down ..given what that kit was used on, that’s the one to have. Incroiable!!
Absolutely! Thanks for watching
Cool! What a great place for that kit to wind up, with someone who really cares- so eager to learn about it and share the story. Thanks Bart!
Well said man, it is in very good hands!
I’m a huge fan of the preservation mindset. I love the wear and tear on display .
Great that this kit has been found, and being preserved, a lot of the wear ads character, it's part of the history, good to see someone that knows what he is doing has them, also cool to see how knowledgeable, candid, and humble all three of these guys are.
This man is alive and in a nursing home. GO VISIT HIM! GET THE STORY!
Wow, this podcast got me hooked! Congrats on this rare find! My father was quite a bit older than me when I was born. He was born in 1930 and me in 1970. When I was a small kid, he and I would listen to Jazz and Big Band every Saturday morning during breakfast. I became a big Krupa fan when I heard "Sing Sing" and when my Dad told me there was a movie about Benny Goodman, we watched it and I was blown away by Krupa! I was enamored with his energy and playing and what a character! An amazing guy and musician! Thanks for the fantastic story!
I have to comment again, this was such a great episode. I absolutely love this stuff!
Thank you Brent!!
Love it.. been drumming and restoring and geeking drums for 50+ years... this is just gold.
Drum History podcast just gets better and better, the “podcast of record” for big drum news! Thanks Bart!
Thanks Richard! This is definitely a big episode!
we are sooooo lucky to have the technology of film and photography to do the necessary forensics when verifying .
Definitely!
Great story. Just fantastic story of discovery, detective work, and historical attention. Thanks, everyone...
My father passed in 2017 . He loved GK . He played me vinyl on an old his masters voice . He was a jazz drummer and played the dances back in the sixties in the snowy mountains in Australia. I have been playing since I was 5 and my father would have been absolutely 💯 percent enamoured and as happy as .
It's fathers day today here , so daddyo, this is for you . Rest easy, and tell Gene they found the ol girl
What a great thing to see, thank you !!
🚬😎👍
As a young college student for jazz drumming, there is definitely going to be people to continue these collections, I’ve already begun mine with a WFL ray McKinley snare and vintage zildjian cymbals
Theses drums need to be displayed at the next Chicago Drum Show, put on by Rob Cook of Rebeats.
The 33rd. Annual Drum Show is May 18-19 2024 at the Kane County Fairgrounds in St. Charles, IL
Contact Rob at Rebeats he's a big Slingerland guy. He also wrote a book on the history of Slingerland Drums.
I do enjoyed this episode. I’m a long time Gene Krupa fan. I’m 82 years old and grew-up in the 40’s and 50’s. My mother was a big movie buff and used to drag me to the movies. So I first became aware of Krupa through the movies he appeared in. Later in life as a teenager my mother encouraged me to become a drummer and for my 18th birthday (1959) took me into down town Chicago (the loop) bought me a set of drums. It was a small old music shop. My mom told the proprietor that we wanted to look at a set like Gene Krupa played. The guy explained Krupa played Slingerland drums and he didn’t have that brand in stock but he had a set of Rogers which is what Buddy Rich played and were built better and more rugged than Slingerland. It was a beautiful set of drums. They were Marine Pearl, with Chrom Rims. The set included a snare, bass, a base Tom, a floor Tom, a high hat and 20” Zildjian cymbal. My mom paid $585.00, which for us (in 1959) was a huge amount of money. I played with them for a few years but unfortunately I never studied and finally decided to go into acting. But this episode brought back a lot of fun memories. I am still a huge Gene Krupa fan. Thanks for this episode!
Wow ..I wish I had UNcle Ed's set// Ive seen one at Portland.. and of course in person with Ed when I met him.. as for the GK set... very interesting it just popped up..on a lawn..
What an amazing story! Thanks for all the great information on the drums, and so cool that your grandfather took lessons from George Wettling!
George Wetting when I worked with Gene I remember hearing that name . I think my dad took lesson from him also
Amazing story .. Congratulations and well done.
It's sad to see how things get destroyed after a person's death...but a good thing that this guy preserved a piece of history! Now this kit needs to be at a museum.
This is extraordinary. One of my little fantasies in life has been to get my hands on/own a piece of equipment owned and played by Mr Gene Krupa. I actually had a chance to purchase a 1950s or 60s A. Zildjian cymbal stamped GK (probably his) but I disliked the sound of the 16” cymbal and let it go, even though it was for sale for $200 in 2010 or so. Now I really regret letting that go… But maybe one day another piece of Gene’s gear will pass my way.
How cool
Absolutely, thanks for watching man!
God how i wish i can get my hands on Chick Webbs drums or any part of it. a snare a cymbal even a drumstick. Hes still the KING🙏
Hmm. That rings a bell, let me look into it...
@@briankehew579 Good luck!!!
Wow this is so cool! I kind of want the dinosaur too lol
Ha yes the yard art is awesome!
this is interesting because my late friend Andy Florio who was a friend of Gene said almost all of his drums burned in a fire at Gene's house and that Gene was already sick with leukemia and he lived in the habitable area of his house till he passed so how this guy got this kit who knows. Andy was contacted by Slingerland when Mel Torme was looking for an original Krupa kit and they bought original radio king lugs from Andy and made a kit for Torme (in my opinion a real creep... I know he's dead) and Torme claimed that the kit was from the Carnegie Hall show which was insane which is why I asked Andy about it and he fessed up.
Listen to episode 14 in the description. This story was proven to be false in 2019.
So freaking cool!!!! Love this!
Thanks for watching Brent!
@@DrumHistoryPodcast The pleasure is all mine! Such a service to the drumming community! Thank you Bart, Brooks and Steve!!!
Incredible episode
Thanks Anthony!
such a cool story one greatest kits saved and once owned by one of the greatest drummers...
It is iconic! Gene is the best. Thanks for watching!
Omg ! I'll tell you WHAT you have DONE ! YOU have scored Big time that's what YOU have done ! Not even to resell them but to just OWN the GREAT Gene Krupa's kit is a 💯 total thrill and honour ! Congrats 👍👏
drums like this are amazing. glad it is kept intact., nice kit.
us drummers like our drums too too much.
i am thinning.... but wish i kept a few
i do have some cymbals that will stay with me as long as i can.
What a great find! Wish he was closer, I'd love the chance to work on that set fixing the rering and whatnot.
Thanks for watching! I would just like to look at them and touch them in person :)
@@DrumHistoryPodcast that would also be a treat!
I have a 1939 Gretsch drum set. It was owned by Bun E. Carlos. He signed all the shells. Needs restoration. Is there a collector out there that may be interested in it or is there a drum restoration company someone could recommend ? Thank you… 🥁
Im.blown away this fantastic opportunit for a set of drums gene played a owned..slingerland had to beg gene to let slingerland replace his 6 to 8.yr old equipment. Buddy rich on the other hand used give away so much equipment it would really hurt the bottom line
!000 % this is the same kit!
WOW that is an amazing find
absolutely incredible find !
The Percussive Arts Society in Indianapolis has a beautiful museum that former PAS President Steve Houghton put together that would be worthy of such a treasure.
In 1961, my uncle brought me to his night club in Trenton, NJ to see a drummer. I had just begun playing in a drum and bugle corp and wanted to learn how to play on a kit. Upon arriving at the night club, I entered a private dining room used by the entertainers and waited for my uncle. A few minutes later my uncle returned with the drummer and introduced him to me. He said, "Ricky this is Gene Krupa". I was eleven years old and had no clue who he was. However, I knew he was famous and when he spoke with my uncle during dinner, I listened to every word he spoke. He shared his challenges which he had overcome. I was shocked at his honesty and that left a permanent impression. He seemed like a great person. After dinner, he performed and I was seated about 10 feet in front of him. It was the most amazing performance I had ever seen and I can still remember the way he worked the small cymbals to produce a variety of sounds. After his performance, he autographed his photo which I still have. The drum set he played that night and the one in his autographed picture that I have, looks identical to the one purchased by Steve. Brooks, I will listen to your podcasts and buy your book. Bart, thank you this podcast.
I found a 1966 Rogers 3 piece last week for $39.99 at the local Goodwill. 12/16/22, and a Ludwig snare. They’re being cleaned now.
What an important drum. Amazing. Great podcast.
What an amazing story! So glad it landed in good hands! Good to see Brooks on here - I used to go see him play all the time in the DC area when he had my dear friend Al Seibert on tenor and Bill Potts on piano!!!
Extraordinarily cool. Just goes to show there's still hidden treasure out there. The fact that this random guy had this sitting in an unfinished garage is jaw-dropping. That pic of the bass drum is conclusive. This IS THE KIT. Beyond a shadow of a doubt. What a score. I'm guessing the price was in the $8-$10k range at this auction with 3 people in the know bidding.
Wow! Thank you all 3! What was Slingerland's reasoning of the bass drum spurs placed in back? Thank youfor sharing. "Krupa Koolness" yes well said! "Where His Thumb wore off" these statement excite me. Thank You Mr. Brooks Steve and this channel!
Thank you very much for the kind words! That is a good question about WHY the spurs were placed in the back like that.
Love these stories ☆♡
Wonderful interview Gentlemen! Love the conversation…
Thank you!
WOW! Goosebumps!
So interesting. Thanks to you all for your expertise, focus and energy.
I worked with Gene Krupa from 1965 to 1968 I played on Gene's set every night . One thing that seems wrong , the man said calf skin heads . Gene's drums had beat up clear plastic heads , you could actually see deep stick dents in the floor tom tom head . I was shocked how bad and old Gene's drums were , his roadie Crip was a super nice man , but Crip told me , Gene was too cheap to let him buy newer drums .Gene was very frugal , we were doing a gig in Chicago , during Gene's solo a stick went flying into the crowd , some man caught the stick and wanted to keep it for a souvenir , but after the song was over Gene went to the edge of the stage and asked the man for the stick back , the man pretended to give the stick back , but when Gene reached for it , but the man pulled it back teasing him , Gene was literally begging for a $0.50 stick. I am not positive this is Gene's set , but I think I saw the plaque on the snare . His snare drum had a gold plaque saying Slingerland Gene Krupa . I don't believe from the pictures this guys drums were Gene Krupa's Crip his roadie told me in 1965 , be had the same set from almost 20 years. So that set was new around 1945 / 1946 according to Gene's roadie . I saw this exact set I played on when Gene did a TV show in 1969.I could see the plague on the snare and I saw the dents on the floor tom Gene set was not brand new in 1954 because I know for a fact it was falling apart in 1965 Something is wrong the floor toms looks wrong , he used only one floor toms in 1965.
Gene had the same roadie he name was Crip for over 20 years until Gene's death in 1973 . Actually Gene was the first drummer to work with Slingerland to manufacturer the first tunable tom tom before the heads were more like bongo heads. Gene also work on the first Hi Hat stands , before they called a low boy the clapping cymbals sat by the bass drum pedal . So Gene did a lot for drummers You are 100% right we did gigs with Buddy Rich band , Buddy was amazing , but he lost the audience his drums in 1966 sounded like firecrackers , he was amazing his drumming was so much more technical and much faster then Gene , Buddy got a polite applaud after a blazing 15 minute solo , Gene came on stage played a musical four bar break, the crowd was on it feet screaming go Gene Go . Gene's drums although like I said were old and falling apart , but sounded mic'ed up like cannons I hate the cliche less is more , but in Gene 's case less was better more musical . Buddy change is sound in 1969 , he developed a much better approach to his musical choices , but Gene was always the top guy .
Enjoyed reading your reply Frank. I agree with the Krupa vs Buddy thing but music is and has never been a competition or who's best. Buddy can sound like cutlery in a washing machine on fast spin at times to me ... Gene's playing reminds me of a huge sailing ship on a rolling ocean. I have a Slingerland BR 80N set - 3ply but my go to kit is my 1930's/40's Radio King set. Also what you say about Gene and the plastic head's makes sense too. I have to say looking at the finger print etc. if it's not legit it fooled me too. Absolutely stonking video though ! I hope the first thing you play on those is 'Sing Sing Sing' Steve.
Hey Frank - thanks for the great comment and I appreciate you listening to the episode. I love the Gene stories!
Steve sent me a message with a response (he wants to remain anonymous). Before I paste his response - I will say that in response to your comment about calf skin heads vs. clear plastic heads, this drum set was used from 1954-1957 and mylar heads are widely accepted to have come to market in 1957 so it would have been calfskin before that.
Here is Steve's response: "Hi Frank, thanks for the comments. As was stated in the podcast, my set was acquired by Gene in the middle of 1954. Possibly right before he flew to Australia for a summer tour. This kit was used exclusively, other than a few appearances with a rental kit, until early 1957 at which time there are a few pictures of the bass drum being used with new toms that had the then new, small soundking lugs. After that point, there are not any pictures of this kit being used by Gene that I have seen. Brooks may have a few.
Gene did acquire a brand-new kit in 1957 with the aforementioned small lugs on the toms and the then new die cast floor tom mounts, cymbal mounts and telescoping spurs. This new kit had an identical head with the same GK shield and Slingerland logo and was used at least until 1960 where it can be seen on several TV shows from that period including the Ed Sullivan show. This could have been a new head or it is possible that the front head from my kit was used on that kit and returned to mine at some point. There was a new head that showed up in '61 with the same Slingerland arch but the lettering on the GK was slightly different. This can be seen on an appearance on the Tonight show in '62.
You state that you worked with him from '65 -'68. My kit had long since be retired, so the set you are describing is at least a couple of sets after mine.
As to the plastic heads. Evans Products Inc, was started on December 1, 1958 to produced their plastic heads. Remo was formed June 1, 1957 to produce their plastic drum heads. Ludwig and Slinglerland followed suite. So at the time that this drum kit was in use by Gene, plastic heads weren't commercially available yet. From TV shows from the late 50s of the kit after mine, he was still using calf heads at least until the end of the 50s. The 1960 Ed Sullivan appearance appears to still be Calf heads. Plastic heads really took off in the early 60s. I would love to see pictures of that clear head on his floor tom because I have never seen him use anything but calf or white coated plastic heads. Gene was known for being very frugal so the drum stick story is very interesting.
As we said in the podcast, the whereabouts of this kit after it's retirement sometime in '57 to '58 until the previous owner are not known. "
Well, I hope you’re right, I can’t swear to it I only remember, thinking, how broken down the drums were , and his roadie Crip told me he’s been using that drum set for 20 years, in 1965 maybe 1966 , I change my snare head , after maybe every 15 gigs, at least a two Tom heads, the snare drum head, maybe not the bass drum head, but I changed out my snare, drum head, back in those days to has wind anywhere near as strong and good if they are now, by Gene seem like they never change the heads , like I remember the floor, Tom head, you could actually see the dents from the tip of the stick . I never used Gene’s snare drum. When Gene went on , I went off, and they took off my snare drum, and put Gene ‘s snare drum up . I also remember his snare drum clearly, it was in better shape. I remember it had a plaque on it probably 2 1/2“ x 2 1/2“ Slingerland drum company, Gene Krupa it was a gold plaque, it was kind of tarnished. We didn’t do much traveling, although we played Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia, and maybe that was just another kit that he had that he use for those bounce around gigs, because like you said two, when I saw them on TV that has locked your white like they were new heads, and, like I said, he never changed drum heads , so I was kind of thinking that those drums he used on TV were rentals, so I don’t have facts I don’t really know . I just know for almost 3 years I work with them with the same drums, and to be honest, I was shocked how poorly he kept his equipment, and, like I told you how fool he was with sticks, and I guess he didn’t know it at the time, but all the drum manufacturers, especially Slingerland, he could get free sticks anywhere he wanted, and his roadie, used to get a lot of supplies from the drum companies, like the Slingerland representative, would give a Crip , a whole box of sticks, usually was 100 pair, I guess Crip would sell most of sticks , I would take 10 pair and put them in my stick bag, I use the same Slingerland model, gene Krupa. I remember they were green printing of the name Gene at Krupa I use them for many years, until I switched, to 5A or 5 B Grip would put maybe 10 pairs in Gene ‘s trap case . I wish I could send you a picture of the drums that I used when I was with Jean and of course Jamie was the same side, I have some pictures.
Wow 😳 Unbelievable
Great episode. I was also bidding on this set and won a few items it was a cool auction and great to know these drums are in great hands.
Thanks Keith!
Hey that remo drum set is from the late 80s Early 90s i believe this kit is also a one off and rare kit. I have the same badges on my vinny paul kit, look for that wrap and you will find another surprise I bet
I am from CT and still live here, I have a cabinet that was supposedly owned by Steve Miller, a vintage fender pyramid 412
I find a lot of crazy vintage gear here
That is super interesting, I will pass that along to Steve!
Makes you think about all the other lost kits of drumming legends no longer with us.
Wow what a cool episode! I will be very excited to see how this set turns out. I totally get the whole fingerprint thing. I used that exact technique when I authenticated John Densmore's original Mod Orange floor tom. Any finish like Marine Pearl, Oyster finish, Mod finishes, etc. have a fingerprint and it's the best way to verify if something is authentic. Of course you need a good clear picture of the drum in question from back in the day but it really works great. You can even authenticade wood grain drums so long as the wood grains are visible enough in the older photo. Great job Bart!
Thanks Kurt! Yep, your John Densmore episode immediately came to mind. That is so cool about the uniqueness of each wrap. Thanks for watching my friend
@@DrumHistoryPodcastjohn densmore
Fantastic video, great find
Revival Drums in Portland Oregon is a functioning drum shop with new and lots of used gear. They're also a kind of museum with a selection of ancient kits with Chinese tack heads on the toms, calf skins on the snares and bass, and gigantic diameter, shallow depth kicks from the 30's and 40's. Floor hats, hoop mounts all round the top of the kick...lots of old stuff there.
I'm going 8k. Gene had class, Buddy ??? There I said it for you . Top vid Thank you.
Gene was the Neil P eart back in the 50s. This is so cool.
Gene was my inspiration to get into drumming 60 years ago.....I have a pair of his (well worn) drum sticks.
Also found in a file, a listing from 2010 of one of the ones that "got away" Slingerland buddy rich, 24"bass,9"x13",2-16",cannister throne in BLACK DIAMOND!...thats one i wish i would have got, but i was a financial wreck at the time{still am!!!}
Good evening Bart, I wonder if it would be possible for you to forward a question to Brooke Stiegler for me? Starting back in 62 I played drum clinics opposite Gene Krupa for Dahlgren Thompson Drum shop Brooks has stated in one of your podcast the gene had a 20 x 20 floor tom! Was that a custom-built drum for Krupa? When I work at the Drum Shop the biggest floor Tom in a slingerland catalog what's 18 x 20. Sincerely JW. Miller❤
Hey JW, thank you for watching and the great question. Here is the response from Brooks - “the very first 20 x 20 floor Tom is listed in the Slingerland catalogs were the very first postwar catalog in 1947. Gene started playing 20 x 20 floor toms in the late 1940s. From then until sometime around the mid 60s he used a 20 x 20 exclusively. After that he went back to the 16 but he always had a 20 x 20 for larger bands. Even had one when he came out of retirement in 1970 and had that one until he passed away. That 20 x 20 is now in London in Charlie Watts collection.”
Excellent Video!
Great story, but so sad how they were treated.
That was a great story and podcast!
Thank you very much!
The late Charlie Watts owned a set of Gene Krupa’s drums. It was among a collection of famous musicians instruments that Charlie collected over his years with The Rolling Stones.
Great episode & podcast like everyone you do Bart incredible I listen while I’m on the road to every episode I have a 1971 Whitehall drum kit which is Pearls Japanese version kit 💯
Thanks Mark! I love the Japanese kits. I have a gold sparkle Apollo kit that I love. I appreciate you listening!
The Rhythm Discovery Center in Indianapolis would be an awesome place for this to be displayed!
Goose bumps! Absolutely loved every minute of this!
would THIS be the drums gene did thatgreat album with leave us leap and drummin man w anita oday i mean if it IS wow ive always wondered what that snare would have looked like i have always thought THAT was the best snare sound gene ever got on wax at least to me it was i mean if so i'min AWE! bc ive been listening to THAT great album since i discovered gene back in the late 70's when i first started i mean to me if this IS that kit its holy grail man REAL holy grail!! what a stroke of luck this ever was
Excellent! Thank you
Bart, great episode, and I'm proud to have been part of it a small way.
Thank you! It is incredible history
i ACTUALLY worked w charlie at that drum shop his nick name back in the day was "lead foot denelly" but sure enough! i was a very very close friend of charlies his shop was in wethersfield are (hartford ct) i lived 35 mi away and was there everyday during his 80's 90's era i sure do miss him and the shop his son chuck was running it for awhile but i'm not sure he STILL is..anyway those were the days as they say..sad they had to leave..
The number of older drum kits (50-60-70's) were just thrown out or given away to unknowing people who painted them, or rewrapped them. I had a friend find a whole vintage WFL drum set in black & gold duco paint at the dump. With all the hardware that came with in the day. I am still waiting for him to sell me that kit.
All ways wonder what ever happened to gene Krupa’s drum kit.it’s really well preserved.what about other drum kits from the passed John dentsmor mod orange kit.Jerry Allison kit with buddy holly
Very good questions! I can tell you the answer about John Densmore's kit in this episode here: czcams.com/video/1d_Vm9x4LNA/video.html
This is so cool. I would give one of my kids to play a swing gig on that kit. Lol
i think if someone did modify a kit as a tribute they would have treated the set better than that. so i think it seems like it is GKs set.
I have a copy{somewhere!] of an ebay listing for one of Ed Shaughnessy's kits,white cortex,black hoops ES on heads,looked like it was photographed at his home,after his death, maybe 2014 or so,$10,000...i don't remember if i followed sale. saw the set later ,on a youtube video of someones drum collection,panning around the room,wonder how the seller of these kits aquired them?
I think I might have been the guy that posted this on the vintage drum forum on FB first. I believe I also tagged Brooks with no reply..
Can we get more videos on this? One of a tour round the kit?
Love this video, thanks very much!
Thanks Wayne!
Another great one Bart..l got me thinking that it would be great to have a Podcast on drum wraps…perhaps with Delmar?
Delmar is definitely on the list! Here is an episode on rare drum wraps that you might like - czcams.com/video/xkgrq4BqMM4/video.html
58:19 - "...maybe as we kinda wrap up here" - and then wrapping-up took another whole 20 minutes! 😄 I'm not complaining, though! 😉
Ha yeah, you noticed that! I’m just trying to steer the ship :)
That's his emblem.
Just a keyboard player here but it’s probably worth over $60k. You got lucky with somewhere between $10k - $20k. Wild guess here and I’m probably way off but fun guessing 🤔
Gene made the drumset the way it is today.
Great episode awesome!! But I don’t understand “fingerprint” I understand his explanation no one wrap is alike, but why does that mean it was specifically GK kit or does that mean it’s definitely slingerland kit why was it such an important clue to gene Krupa’s personal kit
Great question. As you said, each wrap has its own "fingerprint" by way of the markings and layout of the white marine pearl but the fingerprint method in this instance is referring to how the swirl and markings on the 2023 set can be matched exactly to the historical photos of Gene playing the set. So Steve and Brooks can look at the side of the snare drum on the 2023 kit in person, and then look at a 1955 picture of the snare (or any drum) and see the exact same pattern which can help narrow it down. Hopefully I explained that clearly - I appreciate you watching!
@@DrumHistoryPodcast oh of course I get it thank you
Brooks, your book is still listed on Amazon-no copies available 8/2023
a question is THIS the drum set that gene did that great solo on the album w anita and roy the solo was on the tune "disc jocky jump" if so shade me a DEEP color GREEN!! please let me know as ive ALWAYS wanted to see the snare he used on that tune..i THINK it fits in the same year of this kit but i was never totally sure just exactly when they did that record for columbia..TIA!!
a friend of mine, has a buddy rich drum set and it is sweet as f
An old friend had the drumset Bix Biederbeck used, i wonder what that's worth? 🖖
Awesome ❤ video!!!! Would be great if a company would be able to sample this kit ?? ( using partial original + new calfskin heads? )
Eg; Toontrack or Superior drummer ,or other sampling companies for that matter…great way to preserve digitally!!
Maybe Bart can suggest to Steve? I would buy this sampled kit in a heartbeat 👋🇨🇦
HEY DRUM HISTORY. THERE IS A CZcams VIDEO OF GENE KRUPA PERFORMING “Sing Sing Sing” on Ed Sullivan Show playing a cream pearlex drum kit. May be the one purchased in estate auction recently???
What do you think?
I have a ludwig snare. It's from the 80s. But I've been told it's rare because it's one of the last snares to come out of Chicago factory. It's bronze laser ingraved. Does anyone have any idea how to get something like this authenticated?
Message Ludwig? I know the company/staff probably aren’t the same, but they might have some records, or know someone who knows what they’re looking at. Does it have a serial anywhere?
Vinegar works the best on the rust.
This story is insane I wish somthing like this would happen to me lol
Yeah seriously, me too!