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Definitive Comparison: Rolex Submariner 124060 Overview vs 114060 No Date
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- čas přidán 1. 07. 2021
- I’ve owned an 114060 more than once - here I talk through my initial thoughts and ideas on the new Submariner 124060.
I’m a 77 year old woman with a tiny wrist and i just bought one of these. I think it looks GREAT on me.
❤️❤️👌
I am not a lover of two-tone watches. The classic black Sub is timeless and much more elegant and subtle.
Next video: "Sold the 124060, bracelet and clasp is too chunky. 114060 is the perfect sub, long live the OG ceramic fat lugs!"
Just messing with you mate, congrats on the sub. Any sub is a great choice, they're all awesome.
Lol cheers mate.
Finally a wrist that the new Sub looks good on. It is a watch for larger wrists, but most CZcamsrs don't get it.
Great video! Keep in mind the “41 sub” measures 40.5mm compared to 40.2mm with the “40 sub.” So only a .3mm change!
True Michael, almost nobody talks about the more chunky clasp and overall more substantive feel of the 124060 as compared to 114060. I think you are spot on and for people with smaller wrist size, 114060 is the perfect size. Further, the sub no date is the most balanced and prettiest of them all.
Cheers 🍻
Such a good looking watch and it suits your wrist perfectly. The lugs are so much better. Nice wee ramble.
Waiting for mine as well. This and the 214270's purity are perfect for me.
A black sub without the cyclops is the perfect watch. I wish all subs had this option (hulk, smurf, etc). You've made a great choice. It's interesting what you said about photos vs seeing the watches in person. I completely agree. I remember seeing a gold sub w/ a blue dial in the store once. I asked to see it and put it back rather quickly. I couldn't believe how flashy it really was in person. I also find that a lot of watches are thicker than I expected once I see them in person. Good video.
Thanks mate. Appreciate the input.
Hard to beat the ND Sub. I think ID Guy said it best, when arguing how a cyclops ruins balance, and how it’s really pointless to even need a mechanical watch today. He then pointed out that a lux watch is something like escapism, or a vacation on the wrist. Which is why the ND Sub makes so much sense. It’s just aesthetically pleasing, balanced, and ready to be enjoyed in any situation.
Exactly mate 👌👌❤️
That Bluesy would look great with your denim shirt. It's more versatile than you think. Still in the honeymoon phase since 2019. And I think I will always be in that phase. My 114060 is more versatile, but doesn't have that X factor. I still catch myself getting lost in those perfect color combos. It takes balls to rock the Bluesy. I think that's what I love about it. It screams Rolex. I really love having both. Winter, Summer....stealth, flash. If I had to keep one, it would be the Bluesy. I have gotten used to wearing it at work. I love the beauty and added weight. It looks and feels like a relic pulled from King Tut's tomb. It's such a special piece. If you're outdoorsy, getting it out in the sun is magical. Where the Bluesy sings IMO.
I love the 124060 on your wrist man, looks great!
When I was looking to buy my first Rolex as a 24 year old I was in an AD in Nice and I was looking at steel watches and a Bluesy 16613 and tossing up which to buy, and a perfectly coiffured 60 year old French sales assistant came up to me and she said ‘you are young, you are quite good looking, you do not need zee gold watch, when you are old and fat and bald you can have the gold watch’. She got a sale that day for a 16600 Sea Dweller :)
Haha awesome story. Made better by the fact you bought a 16600!
I’ve turned down the black bay 58 twice myself. I’ve had the pleasure of trying it on, and I love it. The problem is that the submariner exists🤷♂️
You might want to try out the Tudor Pelagos. Probably my favorite Under the radar actual beater tool watch.
The bluesey two tone is my grail. It's watch perfection. Especially the slightly larger 41mm (better still if they update them next year to 42mm, which I think the sub needs ultimately). I also feel as though its even more versatile than the black and SS model. The lugs on the older model did not in the slightest bother me, I still felt it was a very balanced watch, although the bracelet perhaps tapered ever so slightly too much. It's a lot nicer than the black and gold IMHO, and it's not overly heavy like the white gold smurf either (I think the bluesey is about 165g). You should have bought it! haha
In regards to why are watches getting bigger, yes people are fatter now than 20-30-40 years ago. But I also think its just a preference/fashion trend to wear bigger watches. For me, the 40mm sub while in no way small feels a touch dainty now. I wear 50mm gshocks as a beater and it feels tiny compared to them!
I had the 114060 which I bought to replace my date 16610LN Sub for the same various reasons you had mentioned multiple times, Michael. When Rolex released this one last September I knew I needed to get it because of all the minor improvements that were so welcomed. Trust me the lugs annoyed me just as much, lol. Those incremental changes really make the watch perfect IMO. I sold my 114060 and got this one last December. I really love it, this is such a great watch. My wrist size is 7.25 inch. Congrats on yours mate, you sure won't regret owning it. Cheers from Canada.
Thanks for the feedback mate :)
On same boat!
Great to hear your opinion on the new sub. When i bought my 114060 you were one of the youtubers that helped me decide on that purchase. thanks mate. Its my daily and even though i've been looking for my next purchase i can't find anything that would make me give up my wrist time with the no date sub
114060 is my choice!
I prefer the thinner bracelet.
It's a classic. Black on black w/ different nuances.
Blusey is nice, but it really doesn't fit with much clothing due to the two tone.
Especially w/ suits.
Hey! I’m picking mine tomorrow. It’s my 3rd Rolex. Can’t wait to have it on my wrist. I purchased Paul Newman Daytona 116508 in July and day date olive green last year.
Very well made video, your comments are spot on.
I still find the 14060M the best looking sub.....but...being in my 50ies....and needing reading glasses since a while now, I will need to change it for the 124060 because it just more legible....and the 124060 I think is the second best looking sub :-)
Great vid. Thanks. Do you think the 14060M would wear too small on a 17,6mm wrist and that the 12460 would be more suitable in this case?
Nah the wrist is fine mate
@@SteelmoonWatches I am being offered a barely worn 14060M from 2009 for €9700. Only minor scratches on the bracelet. Would you say this may be something worth considering or still a ripp-off?
8.5k euro max with a dealer. They are trying it. But depends how much you want it. I probably overpaid slightly for mine
Congrats! It's an elegant size for you!
A beuutiful watch it iis. The best Submariner ever created. One more thing: James Bond would never had a "Bluzi" on his wrist. A history of Jame Bond is pointing to this watch only - THE ROLEX SUBMARINER.
I’m trying to decide between the SD 16600, the SD43 126600 and the 114060 or the 124060 no date subs….
I absolutely agree that the 124060 is the best submariner in history! I had SDDS, SD 43 and they are definitely too big (although at first I didn't think so). i also think the 114060 is the worst submariner in history (like the porsche 996). i had the 114060 and sold it the same day the 124060 came out. i like the charm of the vintage model but the 124060 is superior in everything. and there is no big buckle at all as many have said!
I had this watch for 4 months and concluded that it was too large for my 6.5 inch wrist. I have now traded it in and bought the 114060 as I feel it wears smaller. The 124060 is certainly a beefy watch and wears noticeably larger than the 114060.
Solid video!!
I have been around in circles online with regards to which sub to get. Did you ever consider the rootbeer? very classy indeed and a bit toned down from the bluesy. I think I might end up with the batman for the flashier version of the sub... but your watch looks super clean after seeing this. You definitely shown a different perspective.
I’ve just picked up a 2~tone Rootbeer from my AD… it has superb contrast to my black DateJust 41 with fluted/jubilee.
The rose gold colour is very subtle and classy… not too flashy like yellow gold.
I still miss my no date ceramic Sub… so I’m back on the AD’s list for the new version. 👍
Video suggestion: Do you ever wish you stopped with the first Rolex (Hulk) before diving further into the watch world? What about stopping at the first watch (Breitling)? Might be useful to those with a 1 watch collection thinking of expanding or trading the first watch for an upgrade.
Great idea. Will save that for a future Q&A video
Hi Michael I’ve recently discovered your channel, I must say it’s refreshing to see your watch journey and thoughts, rather than the usual hype and rubbish of other channels. Keep up the good work. I love your Panerai BTW. But what happened with your thoughts on getting a Chrono?
Thanks for the kind feedback mate. The chrono just wasn’t enough of a priority - but ideally I’d still like to add one at some point :)
Michael, enjoyed the video. Thanks for posting it. if you could only keep one, would you keep the 124060, or the 126610LV Cermit/Starbucks, and why? Hope you can keep both, btw. Both are great..
I’m a world where values stayed the same (like 2013) - the Lv. I do really like the hint of colour on the LV
@@SteelmoonWatches Thank you.
Nice video and congrats on your purchase. I have to agree that the Bluesy is an occasional wear. But when the occasion calls there is nothing better!
Great video as always Michael, I have a 126610 black date sub, love it! But I just got a call from the AD to pick up a 124060 no date, it would be hard to keep both but it’s going to be even harder to decide which one to keep, it’s times like this I wish I would have held on to my 116600 40 mm SD ceramic. It’s like the best of both worlds!
That 116600 is pretty much perfect.
Great addition to your collection, also do love my 114060. Enjoy the journey
It’s a love story with both,124060 and the 114060
For me it boils down to wrist size. If you’re under 7inch wrist you should get a 114060, above 7inch you might as well buy 124060 if one so chooses.
@@SteelmoonWatches correct, my wrist is lesser than 7 and 114060 is perfect for me. 😍
I am a new subscriber to Your videos and they are just fantastic. I watched your video on the 124060 two days ago and it was one of the best, most insightful and articulate reviews on any watch that i have ever seen, and I have watched A LOT of them. Every point You made in the video convinced me now that this is the watch that would be the best fit for me and anything else in my mind would feel like a bit of a compromise.I went to my Local AD today and he said He thought he could get me the watch inside of 90 days....which seems completely unrealistic- but one can hope. Thanks again for Your insight, You are al talent that is very rare and unique, and stand out as special among the thousands of watch enthusiast You-tubers and reviewers. Keep up the great work Brother
Thank you so much for the kind words Chris. I wish you to get your watch inside those 90 days.
Beautiful watch , iv had the date variant for about six months and love it. Its a keeper for me . I used to lust after the Bluesy but as iv got older I'm not that into gold anymore. But it's still a great looking piece . Enjoy your new watch 👍
Michael did you ever see an Oyster perpetual 41mm in a power ranger colour for sale in any Rolex AD near you? Or are they also wishlist pieces?
Don’t even visit ADs here anymore. I’d rather save my 15 minutes for a few extra sets in the gym lol
@@SteelmoonWatches hahaha awesome!
Congrats Michael! Love the sub! 😁😁😁
Great content Michael. I believe the AR coating is on the underside of the crystal. 👍🇬🇧
I believe you’re right mate. Thank you !
Hi Micheal, how does it compare to the SD43? I'm guessing they're just about the same size now..
Nice video, congrats, the no date is an absolute classic! How do you feel about ghost bezels and beaten/ used subs with a story - I think it makes them look cool as …. Defo for the pre ceramic at least
Love preceramic subs - however the ghost bezel sub etc seems a little artificially aged - think you can just buy the ghost bezel. The 14060m is an absolute peach.
Hey Michael, great to see you going back to your (watch) roots.
The extravagant beauties sometimes lack a bit of versatility. A keeper comes with qualities that suits all situations and challenges in life ;-)
Great video 👌🏼 when you talked about making a video on one watch only , it hit me 😅 specially that my favorite watch is the Bluesy, but can I live with it only wearing it…. Now that’s a tough one 😁 but again if I only have to have only one watch, it’s differently going to be a Bluesy, yet again, is it versatile enough to fit all occasions? I think not, I think yes, maybe not, I don’t know really 😭😭
Thanks 🙏🏼 😊
114060 safest bet. Love the video Michael
Gorgeous acquisition! Enjoy and wear it in good health 🙏👊
It looks so good 😍 My next watch for sure
Just picked up a 216570
Great video and great assessment! I have the same one. What do you think of a Rubber B strap on it? I put it on mine and think it looks great! Or are you more of a purist with the oyster bracelet? Thanks.
Don’t mind Rubber B or Everest at all - just that I think the preceramics looks slightly better on straps than the ceramics. Haven’t actually tried it yet tho.
@@SteelmoonWatches Thanks!. Rubber B just came out with the strap for this Reference. So I jumped on it. Everest doesn’t have it yet. Keep up the great work with the videos!
Wearability is an important point. How did you find wearability of your Hulk when you had it?
Found it great - though we lived in very different times just 6-8 years ago. The watch game has somewhat been spoiled by alternative investors coming into the watch field.
Great video Michael. Authentic reflections and opinions. There’s no doubt the new lugs a subtle but significant visual improvement. Totally agree that while the classic black sub is superb it is often the domain of those who are unsure why they wear it. The no-date spotted on a wrist shows a level of consideration and flags a more conscious choice. Looks superb on you and will be interesting to see the video you make when one day reunited with 16600 to compare. Also love idea of the bluesey but it is “bling town” so couldn’t be daily for me. I’m off to Google no-dates 👌🏼😋 .
Well said ! Enjoy the Googling hehe
No date? What is a no date?
There is a Submariner and then there is a Submariner date.
Congrats mate! With the trimmed down lugs this one’s perfect 👍🏻
Cheers mate
The date comp doesn’t belong on a black/black Sub. 114060 for the win all time.
Great video Michael, glad to see you … “came to your senses” ~ “righted that wrong “ and added this reference. 😂. I own the SD43, Sub 114060 and the 124060. The new Submariner is perfect in my eyes and if anything the slightly larger clasp (1mm) is one of the reasons why I love it. It balances the watch IMHO.
Lol senses. Thanks mate
As a 114060 owner I was just wondering does the AR coating make a significant difference in appearance and legibility? Thanks
I touched on that in the video mate. Towards the end
Thanks for the response. Been enjoying the videos for a while.
The Bluesy screams FU.....not something I would wanna rock in a boardroom.....not discreet....not low key.... u made the right decision with the no date sub....1 watch collection is a myth......The Bluesy is a statement piece.
You need to do a state of the collection letting us know what watches you kept and got rid of… I know you had the Pepsi and Cermit but think you sold them?
The Kermit has left the building mate, true.
@@SteelmoonWatches damn why’d you let go of the Cermit? What about the Pepsi? You never wear it in your videos? I got the Cermit from my AD last year and still have it and love it. Recently got the Pepsi again from my AD for the 2nd time, although from another location than I did the first time. “Plan” on keeping both of them.
But what’s happening with TPG?
I’ve heard rumours lol.
Looks great on you, man. Wear it well.
This is the only watch he needs!
Looks great on you! The essence of a Rolex. My 114060 is as big as my wrists will allow 😂
Both 114060 and 124060 as good as each other in my eyes.
Michel can you advice me which Rolex I should buy for my Son. His 36 years old. His birthday very soon in February. I would like to surprise him. I like your video very much. 👍
Your son is a lucky man. What a fantastic position he is in. I would definitely advise a nice Rolex if you can get one!
Great choice Michael. I had the old version but this current model is so much better. Keep well my friend 👊p.s. also agree that it does wear bigger and feels to be heavier, but it is better 😁
Can you do a 'state of the collection' video?
Hi mate - unfortunately it’s not really my bag doing state of collection stuff. I try and deviate from that. Good idea tho
Good video, Michael. Great looking watch.
Hello Michael- I had a 14060 2 line for years ,sold it and realized how much i missed it. Decided to shop again for one and had my heart set on a 4 line 14060m, until I watched Your video from a few years ago about the 16600 sea dweller. This is a watch i had never really considered but it seems like it fixes a few things that I had wished for in the Sub like the no holes lug, a date without the cyclops etc....my real concern is having never tried one on would be the added weight , height and comfort. I am a one- watch type of guy and never take my watch off so this is pretty important, I have a 7.25+ inchwrist depending on the temp/envirement which is also fairly flat. Curious to Your thoughts and if You are currently still wearing the dweller or are back to the Sub.... Thanks so much Brother
Can’t beat the 16600. Awesome watch and great for your wrist mate. It’s not as big as you imagine - it’s 39.5mm
Where is the actual footage of the watch itself? A few close up if when you were speaking about the size, dial and bezel would had been great for the viewer. I can see it on your wrist but still, its a watch video show the goods, lol.
hy michael i love panerai i have 12 pieces in my colection amazing videos
Michael is the best of all youtubers and the only one who wears a watch correctly! I absolutely agree that the 124060 is the best submariner in history! I had SDDS, SD 43 and they are definitely too big (although at first I didn't think so). I also think the 114060 is the worst submariner in history (like the porsche 996). I had the 114060 and sold it the same day the 124060 came out. I like the charm of the vintage model 4 and 5 digit (14060m, 5513, 16600) but the 124060 is superior in everything. And there is no big clasp at all as many have said!
Good comparison with the 996 mate. It’s a great watch.
looking forward to the one watch video!!!
It looks a perfect size for you
I miss the Panerai too already BTW, it looked more badass on you. Have you ever considered the sky-dweller?
Thanks mate. The sky dweller is a little busy for me. I admire the complication though.
How can someone talk about tenths of a millimeter difference for over 20 minutes. Congrats to anyone who made it threw this video. 41mm sub measures .3mm larger then a 40mm sub for width and no other dimensional differences. .3mm is about the same thickness as 2 sheets of paper
Did good 👍 with your choice no date - bluesey is not a great color scheme. There are much better choice in the Rolex catalog
looks great on you !!
126613lb bluesy and 124060 are the best combo you can have
In the last 20 years, the emerging market collector’s wrist size is definitely smaller so what is with the massive oversize clasp, oversize lug size and noisy movement. The BB58 is perfect at 39mm in case size, perfect 20mm lug size and thickness of just 11.9 mm….The new sub should have followed the same sizes as the BB58! The new 41mm is clunky compared to the perfect proportions of BB58.
I definitely feel the Rolex submariner - I think the Bb58 is a great size. Hugs the wrist so well !
Hi Michael.
114060 truly is an amazing watch, versatile and elegant, and technologically robust. I guess, the 124060 is even better (according to you)? But what about rotor noise, which some people have commented?
Choose 114060 vs 124060 based on your wrist size. That’s my advice.
People who complain about rotor noise have too much time on their hands. I’m picky about things and I haven’t been listening out for rotor issues.
@@SteelmoonWatches I already have the 114060 for 2 years now, and I love it to bits. I was just wondering if the 124060 is so much different. I guess is not worth to "upgrade" if I'm happy with my existing one? Thanks for replying. Kudos to you and your channel, for an honest perspective of a watch enthusiast with no hidden agendas.
Sure you can hear and feal the rotor when you shake it in your hand but don't hear or feel it at all wearing the watch on your wrist. The ball bearing increases the robustness of the rotor mechanism. I am happy with it.
@@Dr_LK thanks mate. I would not upgrade from one to another. Both great watches.
@@exxita probably - I only wear it though :)
Looks good mate
Firstly congratulations on your purchase. It's simply the best dive watch in the world. You are too young for a two tone Submariner. Stuff like that becomes more interesting when you are in your 50's or own the penthouse at the Burj Khalifa. Take care.
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6.5" wrist, wearing a SD 43 hahahaha. I think doesn't look massive on me. I think :P
Some wrists have different shapes :)
Agree with not getting the bluesy, doesn't fit your style of black divers. It's for an older white gentlemen, if I may suggest that. Maybe a root beer if you like to go TT?
Over month or so I tried new sub 41 and ceramic 40 it was first time ! My wrist is 6.25inch and man that watch looks HUGE bulky and screaming pretentious immediately disliked the fit
It’s definitely not a small watch.
The real Submariner is much cooler good choice
Good choice, I have been thing about a no date myself. My eyes are so bad I can’t read the date 😂😂. What is your Instagram name ???
Thanks mate. Steelmoon_watches
no date ? this is the cheap way out IMO-.. not sure why you dont pay a few more bucks and get the date.
The extra few bucks went on Bread and water so that I could eat.
There is no Rolex Submariner no date, the original Submariner had no date, its the Submariner or the Submariner date.
Original Submariner 1953 no date, first Submariner with date 1969
I understand this- but you know how it is with viewers and getting information across
It looks too big even on you.
Are you in witness protection? Because I know a safe house when I see one... 🤔
Yup, keeping a low profile on CZcams
Good review and discussion in all seriousness. I’m looking hard at the 124060 after also having a 114060.
Sitting on the fence but this did help in clarifying the bracelet clasp dilemma.
Dude your not that big. I have a slightly smaller wrist and the 41mm watch is fine on my wrist. Work out more dude.
Starbucks or a Nodate ?
Hmmm for me Starbucks - like the splash of colour.
@@SteelmoonWatchesbuying a wedding watch
i’m struggling because I have always wanted a nodate but if I need to pay gray market prices I may as well get a starbucks.
@@anthonyfield5531 id go with what you’ve always wanted mate. You’re marrying who you want so may as well have the watch you want. The price different is still quite large between the ND and Kermit I think.
Great video. What’s your Instagram?
Steelmoon_watches. Thanks mate
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