Bboy Marlon (Havikoro) Interview - bboymagazine.com
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- čas přidán 15. 12. 2010
- Interview took place in Branicki's Palace in Bialystok CIty, Poland minutes before battle between Marlon and Yan (All the most,Russia) at Over The Top 5.
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I remember growing up watching bboy early 2000's and also myself enter local jam... I was known for my Airchairs and Ground Poses.. Now getting back after 20+ years.. Holy Damn... the Bboy roots gone but the Breakdance aka media is up! more of a show then stye. Lil Jon had them head moves similar to Remind but we know both have their style from footwork + Toprock ...
I understand Marlon 100%, love him. Pure love, and pure TRUE REAL TALK.
10 years later we have a generation of similar bboys
sadge
I look at this for motivation...respect...respect. Thanks bboy Marlon.
This man is brilliant n down to earth ...hats off
where i'm at, we barely use any of the new music and we stick to Hip-hop even though most of us are AFTER the Golden Era, I've been digging into the history, At first everyone wanted to learn power, but after we started feeling the groove, feeling the music, BBOYING is and will forever be a game changer if you're in the right view, It help me find myself out, my own style, It helped me with everything.
respect!
and thanks
this video should get more views than the bc1 final, and then we'll have some sense. Oh just for the record, I did not like the video editor showing neguin, while he was speaking about bcone. Neguin is extremely well rounded and has great style, and it's his style to use flips as blowups and parts of his set.
Pure wisdom. Bboys not the same as gymnastics.
Just be creative like bboy Marlon back in the day when everything was basically new, like come on r u for real? Uzee rocks not creative. Kazuki roc not creative, Bruce almighty not creative. Why can't you be more like Alien ness and crazy lags and be happy at how big this art this culture has become. Respect man but don't be bitter.
You don't think Kazuki Roc is creative? Who is he copying?
What about Wing, Skim, and Mold?
@@in_vas_por8810 lol I just realized those where sapost to be phrased as questions, not statements my bad. I Ment to say they all 3 are vary creative. So are your 3.
This is relevant today… no characters anymore just cats doing the same moves
I love how he refers back to HipHop - and I'm talking the culture the beliefs not just the rap music that is out. I think that is the biggest difference - a lot of new schoolers have lost the desire to learn about ALL of the history and the culture. Which is such a shame, it's SO interesting, there's SO much to learn. It's in the vids and the books that are out, take advantage of this age where info is everywhere, people!
so marlon created CC, swipe, headswipes and freeze?
I think every bboy should see this. They might learn a thing or two.
people should upload more of these instead of battles.
Lasty, I appreciate all that Marlon had to say. I think it's important to bring the focus back to the art. Put your soul, your hard work, creativity and personal expression into it and you will be ORIGINAL. If people are looking to the dance and the culture as a source of money and a way to feel superior to others then like anything else in life they are misguided and what they do will come out looking wrong and uninspired.
Wow, it looks like this interview gave people a lot to talk about so first of all props for that because anything that generates thought and dialogue among people is good. Secondly, thanks to Marlon for speaking his mind honestly and not being afraid of what other people will think. I think hypocrisy is also a problem in our scene and often people are afraid to say what they really think openly because they're too busy trying to get status, so they say things anonymously on youtube instead.
man ken swift had a workshop recently and 5 ppl showed up.......
@o0oWeEe where can we see it?
i agree with most of what he said most definitely, but i don't like how they used neguin in the background calling him a competition bboy. that guy has personality, style, and flavor all to himself that explode off the stage way more than most bboys and is instantly recognizable by anyone who has seen him dance. He combines with his tricks and power to produce a full dance experience. he is a complete bboy in my eyes.
but thanks to marlon for spittin the truth and spreadin the knowledge.
Word!
Thats crazy because I say the same things about that generation that Marlons talking about. I grew up buying VHS bboy videos and you'll never see anyhting like what it was during that time, you dont see bboys like robzilla, stuntman, reveal, papas, tic toc, etc.....anymore. Shit you used to be able to see more distinguished styles by different states. I really like this interview.
Marlon is very respected bboy especially here in Texas. So his word is word.
I had an amazing honor of battling Marlon. Of course I lost, but he's an amazing dancer and I respect him so much.
what's the name track in the 4:50 ????
I love THIS INTERVIEW! Marlon told Us the truth! BIIT I MEAN BUT NOONER WANTS TO SEE IT!
Neguin is not all flips.
Moge prosic o tytul utworu ktory zaczyna sie w 4:50 minucie..?:)
This interview confirmed what I thought for a long time. I stopped breaking for the longest because I got sick of seeing the same old thing from everyone and everyone saying it was dope you know like threading to airchair all the time n stuff. But, I realized that for me its not about that. I got into bboying because I loved the culture, the music and everything. Ultimately its not about winning a bunch of jams or getting like 20K hits on you tube. To me, its just trying to be me ya know?...
True man, everyone just wants to get a bunch of power to enter competitions or learning a bunch of flips. I think it's sad people forget where they come from, Breakin isn't all about compeitions. It's the lifestyle and the culture, you don't do it for competition you do it for the sake of being a bboy.
For as long as i've been dancing, marlon has stayed pretty original. to the guy who said his move looked like another dude. I say creative minds think alike. Nowadays you see the entire burns style sets getting chomped. I think that's what he truly ment. I go to practice and i can see what influences people now. back in the day, people just looked different all the time. Very dope interview and he's pretty on point with it.
I am an og since 83 and born and raised in new York I used to drive anywhere to break with people. Won tons of big shit, did it everyday, then moved to los Angeles and all the audition bboys with there only five moves made me want to vomit now when I see breakin. This dude nailed it. I love breakin Sooooo much. I just hate breakin now.
Anybody who has doubts about what he says should do some research on the dance and talk to some OGs. Originality Never Ends.
Thank you Marlon. Be an artist, a leader, an innovator. Some people get it some people dont. I regret having wasted my time talking to people who dont have a clue to what dance is. E-boys and you-boys just continue to talk bc they cant dance. I need to continue to just shut up and dance. No more talking for me...
another thing the judges of BC ONE were: Katsu of The Mighty Zulu Kingz (Japan), Salah of Vagabonds Crew (France), Ronnie of Super Cr3w (USA), Cico of Spinkingz (Italy), and B-Boy Float (USA). How do you think Marlon's statement does reflect on decisions by judges and decisions by people who do invitations for events?
subtitle please !
El mejor!
@BboylightTx Now about it going mainstream, I think it's a good thing. If more b-boy theatre shows and documentaries are done, ones that get allot of attention, and the dance is explained properly, then this dance will be more respected.
I met Marlon and learned from him, danced with him on stage and cypher and even had a small uprock session with him. All I can say, is quit hating on someone who is true to the art since 15 years and from all I know he ain't talking about the bboys u all love to dickride, i.e. Hong 10, Physicx (why would he, both dance with Floor Gangz, and they share moves and other stuff), Ronnie etc..these guyz have STYLE they are different and they have inspired ppl with their "STYLE" not "COMPETITION WINS".
i dont wanna be the ass hole here but i have to stand up for alot and i mean ALOT of bboys! i respect this man alot! i understand what he means how many bboys have no style but he contradicts himself, he says SMZ is original then says bc one bboys are wakk even tho cloud entered! Differ hong 10 lilou roxrite physicx born! come on man! all these Bboys went to show what they got! not to compete but to go show thier love for the scene! you can't tell me all competitions and all Bboys are wakk!
"People sacrafice style, individuality, creativity for competition". Ok, in order to be at the very top in bboying, you need to have these characterisitics! Look at Taisuke, hong 10, physicx, ronnie, and lilou. These guys are at the top level of bboying because they are so unique. many of theses bboys have invented their own moves. That IS creative and stylish. For a bboy who wants to be at the top level, he should think,"Man, i need to be creative and come up with some sick moves" instead of
EPIC
@WalMartBoy777 I agree with your point of view!
Marlon for president!!! REAL TALK!
I think Marlon makes a strong point. I grew watching FSS 3 tapes and anybody who has seen those knows exactly what he's talkin'about. I just think bboying developed, you need people that bite, youtube, BC one..to get to the level where it is today. The movement is big and therefore less diverse when it comes to style. Just ask yourself; are you in it for the competition or for a statement of your expression? Don't judge. Thing is you always remember style and forget about competition results..
HOW CAN ANYONE FUCKING DISLIKE THIS?!
@jn1ghtmare Its not just about copying moves...its about copying the style and this is the problem. we should all strive to to have our own unique approach to dance and bring out a flavor that is inherent to our own personalties and experiences.
@lightsleepers I'm pretty sure LotF was a red bull event
everything starts out with a copy, we got the 3 step because someone copied the six step and made it there own, so you can make new moves, but you cant have a move that isn't like another, when bboying started it was was a blank canvas, but it becomes harder and harder to create your own moves as this canvas is now getting pretty full so its hard not to copy. So people try to be different but it gets harder every day to have your own stuff.
@jn1ghtmare EXACTLY!! Wow. That's one of the best explanations I've read.
I Agree on most stuff he said, sadly enough thats the way it is now.
But "back in the day" there weren't any workshops either, so whats the point with the workshops?
@FootmenVsGrunts i go to local jams, but Marlon was talking about Kmel, Lil John etc. Bboys who have their own style, but today there are still bboys with their own style, thats all im saying.
Fucking truest shit!!!! Havi Koro is dope!!!!
In the last few years the BC One has been hosted by Rakaa, Rahzel and KRS One. Big Daddy Kane has performed there. The commentators are guys like Cros 1 and Renegade. Old skool bboys like Ken Swift have judged there. These are some of the biggest names in (real) Hip Hop and breaking. If it wasn't a credible competition within the breaking scene, they wouldn't want to be involved.
Maybe, but money moves mountains.
his predictions are true. competitions are killing bboying. period. end of story.
not competitions but hosts kill it
hosts organize competitions, hosts invite judges/DJs/MCs they want to see there
so why blaming the competition itself if the competition is created by people?
find true hip-hop host and there you go - true hip-hop competition
@TheGraffiteGhost Rivers 1990 is another name for flagspin. Rivers 2000 is what physicx invented. its the flagspin, but with the hands in 2k position
@girtisholland I understand what you mean. I remember reading an interview with Soulstice from Lionz of Zion. She said that, for the first two years, they purposely didn't watch any videos or go to any jams because they wanted their mind clear to create a unique style of bboying.
@o0oWeEe thnx dude
@iraqebboy Yo true dat. I'm from the same generation as Marlon and I respect old and new bboys. All this talk about new bboys only doing flips is not true. Bboys are flipping on beat now. Powering on beat. Freezing on beat. I didn't see too much of that back in the day. Yes now there is more money involved in competitions because the older heads pushed for this. And now that bboy battles have more money put into them, it's like oh that's wack. They only doin it for the money. Wtf?
i think needs something like defense. so how about adding tackles? that would solve all the problems.
@jn1ghtmare Dog, i just wanna say, you are abolutely right! like honestly. Theres so many new moves that are being invented its insane. hong 10 halo freeze, hong 10 bridge, spinning reverse airbaby, rivers 1990, rivers 2000, gattling gun, etc.etc. Its ok to bite moves. When crazy legs came up with the windmill, it was his that he made. not only has it been bitten by other bboys, but it is now the most foundational power move. Its ok to take other moves, but it is NOT ok to take another's style.
I have alot of respect for marlon and his words are truth. but with the whole biting situation its hard to define because for example at 2:50 Marlon's first set reminded me so much of Juse Boogie from MM because Juse has a set really similar to this and I've never seen anyone else do it tell now in this video. it's hard to define who came up with it first because we're from so many different areas.
@VboyStuntZ oh worrrdd im from toronto too
@HezeTfs
straight. there's a thousands moves that don't exist yet. the canvas will never be full.
Does this dude pluck his eyebrows?? Yeah, it's all about style bro...
@ nightmare: the moment when you really create (no matter if bboying is full or whatever) is the moment of the crash of two things: personality/ emotions - simply feeling, the swagg and the music. and the sixstep is just the identity of what you do. it makes you some instead of none.
PLUS: theres no excuse for killing the art. no excuse for fakin tha funk. if people stopped makin excuses and using easy ways, world wud be better.
@girtisholland Thank you, totally agree. An art form has no limitations. If you asked people15-20 years ago if multiple airflares or 10+ (90's) were possibe, most would laugh. The true artists say anything is possible. It disappoints me to hear of people who believe moves or styles are harder to create today. They are stuck in a box. An artist has no boundaries. I remember jus 10 years ago when people reacted as if an airchair was incredible.Today, an airchair is viewed by many as standard.
@bboyStuntZ word with that as long you stay true to yourself theres no problem about making money while bboying,
Speak the Truth Marlon. Also redbull jacked the BC One concept from Lords of the Floor in Seattle! Originality Stands Alone!
@companysoulnyc when I made that point I was saying that bboy is all on one canvas, each bboy adds their own colour and stamp onto the canvas, once all the bboys step back and think "this is beautiful, I can't think of anything left to be put onto this masterpiece" and that is when it becomes difficult, I mean look at ma-Li and Rubberlegzz, they have created something new but some people don't think its bboying and that to me shows that bboying is limited, there is only so much we can do.
@companysoulnyc you got some good points there, but I do think you can see where I'm coming from, you seem to understand that it is getting harder to find your own stuff because there are thousands of bboys all trying to figure out their own stuff, and even though i respect your point, if it was "easy" to create your own story then why do we see so many people rockin the same moves as everyone else?
@TheGraffiteGhost Ha, obviously you havent been up to date with the "new powermoves" that are comin around. Yes it is hong 10 halo freeze, or just halo freeze, hong 10 bridge is actually "bridge 90", and oh, rivers 2000 and rivers 1990? those are absolutely the correct names. and the gattling gun? you know the move physicx does where he kicks his legs about in a circular motion going to a hollowback position and back to the front? thats the gattling gun. If you want me to prove it id be glad.
You know what? Here in the philippines specifically Cebu, we have like 30 guys learning powermoves. They've got airflare, flares, headspins, mills... etc. A few footwork, most of them only know one toprock. the indian step or cross step.
NONE of them know the 4 elements of hip hop. NONE of them know How, Where and When bboying started. NONE of them are interested in the history. A friend of mine asked them to research they said. No need. we're happy already.
And they call themselves bboys.
Cool, bite is something bad BUT there was a time where "6 step", "cc's", "swipes", etc was moves that was signature of a particular bboy and EVERYBODY started copy that and that is the reason that bboy became a dance. Always is like that, pic something and goes to NeXT level. Peace.
subtitulos español !!!
@BboylightTx I know my history yo. I watched Freshest kids, done nuff research, watched planet bboy, I've been bboying since the 90's so I'm from the same era as Marlon. I've seen bboying evolve and I'm still learning. There was a time when it was messed. But now it's not messed the way Marlon says. In the 80's yes. Destroyed. Came back in the 90's and there were a lot of powermoves then too. Not as much dancing though. Freestyle Session 4 for example. Even some early BOTY events.
@recshopdan No man don't hate though New people like me NEED people like you
@FloMonKish Well let's see....Marlon has been busting those moves for 9 - 10 years plus. Exactly his point. You don't see the creativity because a lot of people have a similar style.
@danceboi112 If only 5 people showed up, then there is only 1 good explanation I can think of. The workshop was not promoted promoted properly. If he came to Toronto where I live guaranteed 20 peeps minimum.
@MaestroBestia I disagree. I've learned allot from youtube. It has helped this dance because not everyone had money, or even knew where to buy breaking tapes to get inspired. Watching youtube has now made me understand bboying more and made me want to learn more about it. Back in the day people had to spend like 30 to 40 dollars for some crappy vhs tape wit terrible quality. I remember watching freestyle session 4. The quality of that tape was terrible but the breaking, dope.
Dopest interview I've watched in my life.
active button insert legends, please !
@bboyStuntZ Loving ur job is like the ultimate satisfaction. Unlike doing something for just the money and that's it, when you love what you do, you put more effort into it. I used to work in a restaurant and if I didn't have to work I wouldn't go there just for the hell of it without pay and just do my job. What's the point? If I ain't getting paid to dance like if I reach a club? I'm still gonna dance. Ain't nuttin wrong wit getting paid to do what you love.
i don't see biting "moves" as the problem, i mean someone else on the other side of the world can create the same move or transition that you came up with.
about 3 years ago, i was working on creating new footwork transitions at practice and i came up with one that i thought was pretty good, it was my “signature”, so to speak. but one day one of my buddy's told me that i was biting flea rock, back then i didn't even know who he was, and he showed me a video of him and sure enough
@BboylightTx Yes I understand it's not about the money. But some people confuse what not about the money means. I started breaking cause I thought it was cool and soon grew a true love for this dance. Nobody paid me to learn it. But if someone pays me to do a show that does not mean I'm only bboying for the money. It means I'm bboying for someone else. So they should pay me. Providing a service. Any talent that someone that someone is very good at deserves some kind of compensation.
@dksoul0223 haha good point. And no question he has done atleast one of those moves before.
@bboyaddicted I agree with you completely. Read my comments at the beginning bro, they are recent.
Btw people still have their own style, there goes TonyRock, there goes Menno, there goes Ata etc etc. You still have people with their own unique style but many people dance the same, its the truth!
aha I know this dude, he is good friends with my dad
@BboylightTx Don't get me wrong I ain't saying they didn't dance, just saying not as much. Now bboys are dancing in their toprock, footwork, freezes, powermoves. Common now. B-boys are hitting beats like crazy. Yes people are flying through the air but they are dancing while they do it as well. Early 2000's the Koreans were killing it. Pure power is what they were mostly known for. Then they got bashed by the Americans and they started workin more on their dancing. Everyone dances now.
@FootmenVsGrunts Yes and I don't he example they used wit bboy Neguin flipping. He's a very well rounded bboy. He can come at you wit clean ass footwork dope power, and ridiculous flips. He's not weak in any of those elements and the da guy can still ride a beat. He's a bad example and I hate when people say him and his crew are gymnasts or all they know is capoeira. They obviously are only paying attention to one thing or 2 things.
i am surprised to say, 'sorry marlon bro, but i actually disagree'.
@jn1ghtmare its basically how you express yourself. your style should come out from who you are. yes its hard to be all original but atleast have your own flava to that move that you took, marlon even said its not about doing it better its all about how can you seperate yourself from the crowd. =) its all about self expression without the pressure of trying to please other people
@jn1ghtmare : plus a long way towards something is more worthy because not onlu you get respect instead of 5min fame, but also you gain your own respect for your art. Hiphop's not a bitch, you know, and the judges just assimilate... so I'm really happy that there are people who dont lie to themselves and the others just for feeling comfortable while perpetratin hip hop. and its all about jumping to another levels, but not from round to round. wheres the soul. Big Up to Marlon!
He's not putting down Neguin or any other bboy. He's just saying that bboying in general is turning into a competition and is about money. It isn't about style or having fun anymore which sucks. Neguin is a great dancer. Amazing, but I could go find a gymnast that has never danced/bboyed and the gymnast could do any of the flips Neguin does. While it's very tough to bite style. It's original. Style>Power
@nickbbbbbbbb Ok so ur right, i was vague in my explanation, i think i was going a little too crazy with the detail, but my point is, disregarding all the detail i wrote, you need style and creativity in order to be competitive
@o0oWeEe creativity is bounded by the restriction of what peopl class as bboying.
@bboyStuntZ haha yep i'm down in hamilton scene for the moment for school
true words from a truee bboy......theres non fake in them words bitters needa hear this cuz i hate bitters find a style dont bite one.....Beat.Guruz
nobody said it better!
@HNClan Well I guess I'm almost the complete opposite. I do love this dance and at the same time I do wanna make money and live from it. That's exactly what I'm doing now. I teach and I perform. I wouldn't mind seeing the world and the fact that my world is in the dance means I have to make money doing it. I literally have to "bboy or die" like the shirt says. I refuse to do anything else and I believe it is possible to do something you love and still make a living from it.
100 percent true but he didn’t do more than 3 rounds