Why do these buses run on the left? The El Monte Busway in LA
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- čas přidán 3. 06. 2024
- Interstate 10, also known as the San Bernardino Freeway, has a unique feature between El Monte and Los Angeles Union Station. The El Monte Busway is a combination between a bus lane and a carpool lane. It is shared by Metro buses and Foothill Transit buses, most notably by the "J Line" and "Silver Streak" services, respectively.
The El Monte Busway has a long stretch of road where traffic runs on the left-hand side. This is obviously an anomaly in the United States. So why do these buses drive on the left? Find out in today's video!
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6:25 Arriving at Cal State/LA on Metrolink
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The J line (Silver Line) does a crossover on the 110 freeway for the Harbor /105 green line station. It enters from the busway on the right crosses over the opposite direction lane, stops at the station and then does the same leaving the station to return to the right lane
The original busway station at Union Station was at Alameda, passing it in the video at 11:10. When the new one was built a few years ago, it replaced the stops at Alameda.
Surprised no one has mentioned it yet, there is a bus way in Istanbul that runs almost entirely on the left side, in a freeway median with island platforms. The one section that runs on the right is to cross the Bosphoros bridge in mixed traffic.
The Red and Orange Lines in Minneapolis do this, but only at a couple of stations - take a look at Cedar Grove Transit Station and 46th St & I-35W Station
I grew up in the LA suburbs in the 80s, and took the RTD (precursor to the Metro system) to school every day. But at some point they stopped serving our suburbs, so a few of them got together to set up their own bus line.
In Sydney, Australia 🇦🇺, where we actually drive on the left, we ran into a similar issue on a BRT that runs down the middle of a highway with island platforms. But rather than running in the right hand side for the entire distance, the buses actually drive on the left as normal, but the bus lanes cross over each other at the entrance and exits to the bus stations, so that be bus runs on the right hand side only through the station platforms, and then crosses over back to the left hand side while travelling between stations. I hope that makes sense 😅
@@grassytramtracks Outside the stations the buses mix with traffic, so have to stay on the normal side of the road
This bus operation is on a freeway in Sydney's North West and it also runs in the middle of the freeway (bus only land) unlike and other bus operation where the bus would operate in the curb lane. This works very well as I used to drive buses on services that used this busway
The orange and red line busways in Minneapolis have stations in the middle of freeways with this same set-up. I agree that it's both kind of cool and also a bit disorienting.
When you referred to how BRT can be presented as bad - that’s called the BRT Creep. The institute for transportation and development policy created a scorecard called the BRT standard to see if a system qualifies as a BRT. You need points to qualify, and then systems get a ranking like bronze silver or gold. The standard is there to point out when the BRT creep applies. The fact that there’s a standard that took the time to distinguish different levels of BRT is so cool that I suggest you check it out
It’s sad that so many lines presented as BRT don’t have nearly enough points.
@@Thom-TRA Perhaps those systems don’t really notice how Latin America does it. Because they do it best.
Perhaps the problem is North American transit planners use the word “BRT” as a marketing strategy to convince people they’re building something high quality, when in reality they’ve just slapped a different paint scheme onto their buses and maybe run them every 15 minutes.
BRT creep is one of the reasons I prefer BRT vehicles with doors on both sides. Dual-side doors makes it harder for transit agencies to relegate BRT to curb lanes. Even better: high-level boarding for BRT buses, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen that implemented in the USA.
@@alikaalex there’s a lot of high level boarding brts in the US! Sometimes it’s their only redeeming feature
There is one tram line in Zurich that is in a subway. The stations in the subway have island platforms, so the lines cross over each other at either end to allow for right-hand boarding
Yes, we have in Ukraine a similar thing, too. In Kryvyi Rih there is a so-called 'rapid' tram line, which runs underground under the city center, the stations have island platforms, and the rolling stock is good old Czech Tatras, so they are one-directional and have doors on the right side only. Outside the city center the line goes on the surface, so the tracks cross each other and then the line goes like usual tram with ride-hand traffic and side platforms.
Reminds me of the Charleroi Metro (it's really a tram system) in Belgium. They cut costs by building island platforms on their own right of way, but the unidirectional trams required a changeover when going from the road to the viaducts.
I would have loved to see you enter the El Monte Station (Bus) to see how the LA Metro bus system worked. I personally use it to transfer whenever I take the bus home afterschool. It amazes me how the entire system works and everything just runs almost perfectly with atleast a minimum of 5 buses running through just the lower level.
We've not got anything like this, but the central bus station in my city in Germany is like a big roundabout that goes in the wrong direction with a platform in the middle. I've always thought it could be better designed.. These lanes in LA were very interesting to see though :D
Lindau?
Plochingen?
Very common in Toronto's bus loops in subway stations too
That happens a lot in the US as well, the island in the middle with bus stops on either side. Although I don't recall seeing anything quite resembling a roundabout at a bus terminal; the islands tend to be more rectangular, maybe rounded at the ends if no stops are there.
The Indy Red Line has center platforms but have fully electric buses that have doors on both sides
Now that you mentioned that, here's a video of the bus on the left hand side of the road on a Island Platform:
czcams.com/video/OtjZ2441urM/video.html
This one is on the right side of the road: czcams.com/video/2MtUIrNi2QY/video.html
Silver streak for Foothill Transit was likely a tie in to the Metro Silver line, noting that they share the bus way from DTLA to El Monte. Foothill continues on to Montclair, and if memory serves me right, the fares are rather comparable between the two operators on that stretch
Glad that you make an introduction about El Monte Busway. I was once driving on I-10 and found it very amusing that there is a part of HOV that drives on left side temporarily, and wanted to revisit the route again. Took me a while to enter the HOV at Acadia and go eastbound (destination San Gabriel), then we were on the busway again.
The MBTA had trolley buses with doors on both sides that were ordered that way because of the Harvard Square bus tunnel. The buses enter from both ends of the tunnel but then immediately separate into an upper and lower level. Because the platforms are on one-side-only in each level (designed for a cross-platform transfer to the subway), doors on the right allowed passengers to exit onto the platform- similar to an island setup. Thing is, the trolley buses are now gone, and when regular diesel-electric buses discharge passengers on the lower level, the doors are on the "wrong" side (on the right), open against a wall, and you have to walk AROUND the front of the bus to reach the platform. Pretty clever station when designed, but now no one makes buses with left-hand doors.
I remember walking into the tunnel at Harvard, only a few weeks after the trolley bus service had ended. Sad to have missed it.
Between 1930 and 1940, the MBTA's predecssor purchased gasoline buses with both right and left side doors. The left doors were used for passengers exiting and boarding on the surface level of Broadway Station in South Boston and also on the lower level of Dudley Street Station (now Nubian Station) in Roxbury. Most of these buses were manufactured by ACF.
On Chasse Street in Auburn, Maine you have to drive on the left side of the street because it is sandwiched between two one way roads. It has a small median down the middle, but there is at least one intersection with a driveway to a business on it.
Thanks for the video Thom! I enjoyed learning more about the transportation system in LA. The busway is pretty unique and I can see why it runs on the left hand side. It's interesting how you've got the Metrolink rail line (I think it's single track in the busway), the freeway (motorway we say in British English) plus the busway all in a short space etc. Thank you as well for the pavement recognition! 🙂
Thanks for another fine video, and thanks for pointing out this clever solution to providing buses with an island platform. The Boston T green line faces a similar issue, and addresses it using doors on the left, which, as you point out, costs some seats. (I vaguely recall jump seats allow seating at doors that aren't about to open.) In the ADA era, saving the platform also saves elevators.
I am glad you came now that the island is in place. It is an interesting feel. I take Silver Streak to work from LA to Pomona... it is a good line for us that use it.
Fort Collins’ BRT route has buses cross over each other at stations to accomplish the same thing. Cool video overview, and not something I was aware of!
after having lived in LA for over 3 decades ( 1982-2019 ), one thing that must be understood is that in the 80s, the LA Bus system under RTD was really deteriorating in terms of reliability, especially for the folks in the San Gabriel Valley. In Fact, almost all of the Foothill Transit routes are former RTD and MTA ( commonly known as Metro nowadays) except for 2 or 3 lines. But anyways, Metro has handed over many lines to the municipal operators of LA County, as in my opinion, the other agencies do a much more better job in managing service and listening to their customers needs. The most controversial handover was when Metro handed over Lines 194 ( Downtown LA-Pomona via Valley Blvd ) and Lines 190 ( Downtown LA-Brea Mall via El Monte/Pomona ) to Foothill Transit. It even made newspaper headlines in the SGV as I can recall, as there was fear that Foothill Transit would do a lousy job in running the transfered service...which in my opinion they have done a good job so far.
I think the reason why the El Monte Busway runs opposite of traffic is for the general ease for the buses and all Fast Track traffic to transition into the regular flow once the busway ends. The main problem is how to prevent Fast Track cheats from evading the toll. Caltrans have tried the plastic delineators, but those seem to get knocked down now more than ever.
I don’t mind all the different operators as long as the fare integration is good! I’d like to go back and take a closer look
Great video! I'm not sure why but here in Richmond, the Pulse BRT line runs on the left hand side of the road for a short part of the route and when you board at the Arts District, the bus is definitely on the "wrong side" but it is a dedicated lane and other motorists are prohibited from using it (but they do sometimes!)
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LA has a pretty damn good bus system, if several key buses were underground LA would have a subway system like London
LA kind of achieves this with their underground light rails, and bus ways, in addition to the Purple and Red lines.
@@CityLifeinAmerica There are not nearly enough rail lines in LA to make it even close. Also with how sprawling that city is, building lower speed light rail that goes thru street intersections makes no sense other than the price tag (or being cheap). I love the red/purple line cuz it’s grade separated and gets you between those areas FAST, there should be a grid of those subways
Here in Singapore there are a few bus stops on one way roads with bus stops on the wrong side so the bus stop is basically an island in the middle of the road
Thank you very much for this fascinating video ! I’m glad you answered the question ! Oh, and I also like riding buses ! I must say the LA system looks great, and will have to plan a visit there sometime.
I’m thinking of going back someday and challenging myself to see how fast I can ride one bus of each agency!
I would not recommend the buses if you can take the subway/light rail
Harbor Freeway Station has a lane inversion. That is the technical name for what you described here.
I live in Indiana. Our capital built a BRT with doors on both sides to allow for both island and side platforms
Trains are awesome and these buses are too!!! I had no idea LA had so many bus systems!!!
Yeah it’s dizzying. I kind of want to go back and film a challenge there.
11:07 Omnitrans in San Bernardino has a BRT called SBX, that service has a mix of street running and its own median, buses have doors on both sides
I need to check that out as I prefer BRT buses with doors on both sides. You lose a few seats, but it encourages transit agencies to run their busways in street medians rather than using poorly implemented curb lanes.
sbX is excellent in most ways, but even it has some design issues.
Hey this is my city hahahaha! I’ve been learning about walkable cities, reliable transportation, and other stuff of that sort (mainly due to channels like NotJustBikes) and it’s so funny to see my city on your channel.
While I was living in Irving,TX. One of the transit centers uses an platform like that
If you ride the J to Harbor/105, the stops there are on the opposite side
There is that section of I-5 north of Castaic where all lanes switch to the left but that is not strictly transit.
Oh that is really interesting! I would never imagine they switch the lane to get passengers on the right doors. Here in São Paulo some buses have doors at both sides. It is weird at first but we get used to it. Most BRTs in the world use doors at the left side only.
There is one different corridor here in São Paulo that uses right doors but operates on the left lane. Linha 3160 (route 3160), I have a video of the full route here.
I enjoy the video👍👍
Great video. Love seeing BRT service. It's a really good way to expand rapid transit. For most people, it's the speed that matters, not the mode.
It's a shame that only the Harbor and San Bernardino Freeways have BRT service. Most freeways in LA, San Bernardino, Riverside, and Orange Counties have HOV lanes but with no provisions for BRT. Many freeways have been widened but w no provisions for BRT stations. I think that's a big miss since by LA METRO. LA METRO is also responsible for LA's freeways.
San Diego County has done a pretty good job using the HOV lanes for dedicated BRT routes w stations on the freeway connected to streets above.
Aside from the 2 actual BRT lines, there are 3 Metro "Rapid" Bus lines w limited stops. Just over a year ago, there were 33 Rapid Bus lines. 29 were discontinued for a variety of issues, not the least being that the "Rapid" buses were no different than the previous "Limited" buses, just rebranded and painted Red, except that service along the local routes were cut for additional Rapid service, angering many bus riders.
The "Rapid" services were largely eliminated and increased service along the local lines was provided. This just shows that "local" and "Rapid" services must work together to be successful because they work in tandem for the same customer. LA METRO didn't understand that.
Some BRT's have doors on both sides for island platforms. Leon, Mexico is the one I think of but I think there's one in Mexico City as well.
One thing I haven't seen in the USA yet is the guided busway, of which there's several examples in Britain.
In Mexico City the 10 Trolebus runs on the left side on its own elevated guideway
Not a bus line, but a tram line. In Vienna, tram line 26 operates in an section with one station on it on the left side. This section is elevated and due to Vienna's trams with doors on only one side, they decided to let the tram operate on the left, so they only need one Plattform on the elevated section.
Cool!
I took the BRT in Rio de Janeiro As someone from a Right Hand Drive country where you pass on the left was strange to board the BRT via a leftside door. Many UK and Irish Coaches have right hand centre doors for ease of use when touring in mainland Europe. Ditto the German, Dutch and Belgian coaches that do tours of Devon, England (Popular with fans of Agatha Christie and Sherlock Holmes) and Kernow although in parts of both places the narrowness of the roads means you drive in the middle and pull into a passing space on the left.
Always fun on a double decker service route.
The drive on the left countries in Europe are Great Britain, Ireland, Cyprus and Malta. (Sweden used to but changed to driving on the right on 3rd September 1967, the whole process was relatively trouble free)
BRT is usually a cost saving cop out or a political hot potato used by local authorities who can't justify a tram, light rail or reinstated rail line. In English Cities and Counties this is often the case. Gosport- Fareham's 'Eclipse' busway with pay on bus fares replaced an initial light rail plan with a simple private unguided bus only road. The Luton- Dunstable guided busway was built on an old railway line after a study to reinstate the railway and then to contemplate light rail was water down to buses. Then the Manchester to Leigh guided busway was built as the governments national and local deemed extending the Metrolink not cost effective. The Cambridgeshire Guided Busway (which when opened was the longest in the world) was again decided on after reinstatement of railway or a light rail system was seen as too expensive. Meanwhile Bristol the largest city in the West got a Busway style BRT with off bus ticketing but mostly on mildly improved existing bus lanes as the government acknowledged it was one of the largest cities with no light rail and limited commuter rail.
BRT has its use BUT it rarely attracts people to modal shift like light rail and commuter rail does.
I'm not sure if the Silver Streak got its name this way, but Silver Streak was a buddy comedy film starring Gene Wilder and Richard Pryor and involved a fictional train line called the Silver Streak. It was a very popular and funny film. If you never seen it, I highly recommend it! Thank you for the video, I used to live in the Los Angeles area but had to move away in 2017. But these videos keep me from being totally homesick. As a fan of trains and other public transit, I just love your videos no matter what area you cover, though!
In my research I did read about that movie, but I couldn’t find any relation to this bus. Obviously, naked grandma is way more plausible 😂
@@Thom-TRA lol! I like the originality but I'm not so sure if that name will help or hurt ridership--I guess it would depend on the naked grandma!
In São Paulo, and other cities in Brasil we have buses with doors on both sides
not sure if this counts ... but buses in Toronto entering Lawrence station (an underground bus terminal/subway station) use opposite side tunnels and an island platform.
The 9 de Julio Metrobus in Buenos Aires does the same switch, as well the Ankara BRT in Turkey!
Wow thanks!
Public transport in Brisbane Australia is not perfect, but all modes of transportation use the same ticketing (Go card), and our BRT (Busways) are separated from main traffic, with side platforms.
In Minneapolis instead of the bus driving on the wrong side of the road it'll drive on the correct side of the highway most to the way and then switch sides once it gets to the the station
Harbor freeway station also does that in LA!
Wow, so the J Line does it twice!
OGX in Ogden, Utah does this
There's actually a similar setup at Copenhagen Central station in Denmark, where the northbound buses serving the station cross over onto an island platform on the side of the road, and exit into an intersection to go back on the normal side afterwards, while the southbound buses just unload at the island platform which to them is their sidewalk.
A similar setup is proposed for some BRT lines being studied in Copenhagens suburbs where space is too tight for double platforms.
It’s a clever solution to be honest. Just requires a little extra engineering lol.
The main thing I think that turn of the century highway rebuilds/widenings/redesigns got severely wrong with HOV lane placements is the location within the far left lane.
Inadvertently but HIGHLY effectively, said HOV lanes COMPLETELY corrupt basic lane discipline off-peak (moving around the speed limit) as well as traffic flow in general during peak rush periods (total GRIDLOCK standstill congestion). Incoming traffic quite likely cuts all the way over to the left into the HOV lane and traffic preparing to get off of the highway starting FROM the HOV lane has to do the very same tricky maneuver the other way around. And dedicated surface ramps for HOV lanes are quite rare, thus exacerbating said weaving or “traffic generation” in similar fashion as a long outmoded cloverleaf interchange that lacks the “collector” lane that’s physically separating on/offramp traffic from thru traffic.
How HOV lanes SHOULD HAVE been designed from the getgo:
>100% physically separated from the general purpose lanes
>constructed on the far rightmost parts of the highway’s ROW
>access to/from the overwhelming majority of all surface road interchanges
& wider underpasses exclusively so a proper silver or gold standard BRT line could eventually be built along the very same HOV lane system/infrastructure- with plenty of stations inbetween and MUCH closer to surface streets than the freeway itself.
HOV vehicle traffic is more efficient, regular freeway traffic is more efficient, AND far more effective & efficient transit than previously before is added to serve people who already know if/when said freeway is going to be moreso a parking lot than actually moving (“ope; I’ll just park right there and catch the bus that goes in front of the office or the stadium while laughing at the stalled line of cars on the same path”)
In case your original question hasn't been answered already, the buses run on the left at Union Station (as well as County USC Medical Center) because it's easier, and less expensive, to build an island platform rather than a separate platform for each direction.
So you just decided to watch the first 5 seconds and comment, without watching any of the rest of the video…?
2:39 -- Wow, the 212 LaBrea-Hollywood/Inglewood is still plying the streets! This was my first ever bus commute in junior high and high school (Crozier MS & Inglewood HS!) City of Inglewood has no school buses, but gave out passes for RTD (now Metro). When I rode, it was mostly Division 15 Neoplans but a few Flixble Metros and TMC RTS were sometimes thrown in.
I developed transit fever since I was also around for the opening of the Blue (A) line in 1990 and Red and Green (B)(C) lines after that. Thanks LA for being a great city for 12 year old me to become a transport nerd!
It’s always fun to reminisce about where you first became passionate about trains! It was Tokyo for me when I lived there as a little kid
They don't drive on the left unless they're turning left somewhere ahead and passengers are always discharged on the right side of the bus where the doors are located.
You clearly did not watch the video
Hey, you're bringing me back to my youth. I remember visiting my sister at Cal State & on my way to union station on this busway. Thanks Btw, didn't know you weren't rom the U.S. Your American english is perfect. ;)
We need more bus ways in LA and have them double as HOV lanes
I’d say they need more subway lines
@@Thom-TRA That would work in Central LA but not in the Valley or Harbor region.
@@AlexCab_49 there are so many people in the valley begging for trains
@@Thom-TRA Problem is that most people drive and look down on public transportation here in The Valley and car culture is very huge here that people without cars are seen as weird or irresponsible.
Als mensen vragen aan welke kant ze in jou land reiden dan is dat meestal een teken dat je gefaald hebt met het opkomen van een interessant onderwerp
Je hebt twee soorten domme mensen:
Domme mensen die domme vragen stellen, en oerdomme mensen die rondlopen met het gevoel dat zij verantwoordelijk zijn voor de domme acties van anderen.
Vaak kun je zien dat iemand dom is, als ze woorden zoals “rijden” en “jouw” verkeerd spellen.
There are quite a few BRT systems in the US with buses with doors on both sides to fit into more narrow arterial roads. The TEMPO system in the Bay Area is one such example. It runs in the median of a relatively narrow road and this, lane switching would not be a good idea.
Actually, LA proper has another bus provider: LADOT
Actually, I mentioned that in the video
@@Thom-TRA oh. I guess I missed it. Sorry
But as a train channel you should be well aware that a lot of countries with right hand traffic for automobiles trains run left hand traffic.
I know Switzerland, Sweden, France and Belgium all have left hand running trains.
I'm not entirely sure about Spain, Portugal and Italy.
I think most of central and Eastern Europe has right hand running trains.
Austria is just whatever most doubletracked lines are build to support both left and right hand running but I think they persuade the goal of going entirely right hand running eventually.
This hobby of mine that I've done somewhat last year was using the Metro lines to explore the city. I've been to every station on the G Line (orange) that stretches out in the San Fernando valley. At 2:56-3:03, that's the last station for the G line (Chatsworth).
I've been to every station on the Red line and Purple line (B and D line). 2:04 is the last station for those 2 lines (Union Station) which is also another stop for the J line (silver) that goes east to El Monte and south to San Pedro.
That sounds really fun!
@@Thom-TRA Thanks, I plan on taking the A, E, L, K and C lines eventually to explore more of the city. If you're interested in doing more videos about LA's metro rails, I read that the city is gonna be adding more lines to other parts. There are 4 that are underway already and two that have been approved for construction. The 4 are: D Line project heading for Westwood
L Line project heading more towards the foothills
K Line project heading towards LAX
A regional connector project heading from Little Tokyo to the Metro Center.
The 2 that have been approved are: an extension linking Artesia to Union Station and another line linking Van Nuys Station to Sylmar.
7:02 as a student of Cal State LA the ticket machine is actually where that bridge is at. So if one wanted to ride metro or foothill after riding metrolink, they would have to climb up the stairs up to the bus platform and then some more stairs upward into where the campus bridge is at, to your left. It’s a really big workout just for the ticket but usually people get off at the metro bus transit station upstairs and then go downstairs to their transportation of choice
LA has so much potential but its still needs a lot of work
I agree: trains > BRT… BUT! A couple bonuses about BRT are the generally lower capital cost and (at least in my area) less political opposition. We gotta work with what we can get. Hopefully some of our BRTs can be replaced by trains after proving themselves useful.
You should also check out the Silver Line stop at the Harbor Freeway Station.
Yeah, in Sydney (Australians drive on the left) we have something similar, with buses using island stops/stations on the M2 Motorway. But they only switch sides at the stops/stations, not for general driving on the motorway - See czcams.com/video/_bN21ruUhSQ/video.html at about 1:20 and 2:50 to see typical crossovers.
Next month on my US visit I have plenty of Transport days lined up including LA, Portland, Vancouver and New York/New Jersey including the mammoth 317 from Asbury Park to Philly. If I have time I will add this BRT to the list. 😳
Good luck with all your exciting plans!
Maybe they have employed bus drivers from England, Australia, South Africa,etc?!
Next BRT that should be checked out is San Francisco's Van Ness BRT! The dedicated center-running bus lanes on a 1.96-mile stretch of Van Ness Avenue are pretty standard, but the lanes are also electrified with parallel overhead wires.
Do the buses use the wires?
@@Thom-TRA They are using them now, but right after the project was completed last April the substitution of diesel-hybrid buses for trolleybuses on MUNI Route #49 continued into the summer of 2022.
Thanks again John in Chicago
It's because if they ran on the right the doors wouldn't be on the platform. It would be going into the road
Thanks for… answering the question, I guess? Did you see the part of the video where I answered the question? Because that was kind of the point of the video.
@@Thom-TRA yeah but I commented this before I got to that part
@@KJW-Transit that’s my point…
It is useful for people who don't want to sit through a 12 minute video to answer a very simple question
@@owenreese2216 I only answered one question. What do you mean?
Minneapolis orange line on i-35w is a hybrid. The route is the left lane but as it enters and exits the few stations there is a signal where the busses cross over so the right hand doors open to island stations like la busway.
It will always be the El Monte Cristo to me from now on 😂
And they should give people free sandwiches!
@@Thom-TRA Free sandwiches with tap of your TAP card. One TAP Card and one sandwich per rider please.
@@CityLifeinAmerica you get it haha
there's a short section of bus ramp at the transbay terminal in san francisco that also has left side running
sbX in San Bernardino and Loma Linda is one of the best B.R.T. systems in the U.S., but even that line has some issues that need to be corrected.
sbX, incidentally, has vehicles that each have five sets of doors, two on the left and three on the right.
I live in Madison, Wisconsin and the city is just starting to build a BRT line. A large portion of the line is going to have center (left) running lanes and stations.
I currently live in Boston, Massachusetts and have heard of the recently-implemented center-running bus lanes on Columbus Avenue in the Roxbury neighborhood. I find this project to be very interesting and I think it should definitely be implemented on several street-running sections of the MBTA Silver Line, ESPECIALLY a large portion of the Washington Street Corridor that runs through the South End and Roxbury neighborhoods. (Although the MBTA does brand the Silver Line as BRT, it lacks many BRT elements, and thus it cannot be described as such.)
6:28 YOU LOSE!!
I could overhear his convo and turns out he actually had to go the other direction so he was fine
@@Thom-TRA ah ok. But still at first look, it was a loss. Apparently i didn’t do LA enough on my visit in September 2022.
Worse feeling happened twice to me
@@InlandEmpiresoccer909 many times for me too
What is the answer to all such questions? "Can't dance." These buses cannot dance.
Barbara Manatee would be very upset
Did you go to Carney's while in LA?
Wow that's quite the bus infrasctructure? Are the frequencies really as bad on these routes as it looks?
They were on Saturday evening at least
At solana beach ca and maybe some other Amtrak stops, the trains take (and stop on) the “wrong” left side of the two-train tracks. At many other stops Amtrak just runs on the normal right.
They don't run on the left, what are you talking about. It's a hov/ fast track accessible.
Watch the video before you make dumb comments like this
Why does union station use island platform?
To maximize space I believe
Buses are awesome
I know some TER lines in France run on the left when France drives on the right
In fact, all railways in France, Belgium, and Switzerland run on the left! Even though the cars don’t
Check out the SBX bus in San Bernardino
Where in Europe are you from? You sound American.
I have the fortunate ability of being multilingual
@@Thom-TRA Cheeky answer! 🤣
The SbX in San Bernardino is opposite they bought busses with doors on both sides thus Island stations don't matter.
Of course if you go 1500 miles the other way on I-10 you reach Houston's poor man version of this, buses that use HOV/toll lanes.
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Those Island Platform On Bus Isn't Not Normal, In Jakarta, We Have TransJakarta Busway Buses That Most Of It's Stations Or Stops Are Island Platform And They Are Really Run On The Same Manner As El Monte Busway. The Different Thing Is El Monte Busway Runs Deviate The Normal US Traffic (US Traffic Usually Runs On The Right Side). However TransJakarta Runs Following Indonesian Traffic.
I said: “it’s unique for the United States”
I didn't know that LA had so many operators. It's probably confusing AF for someone that doesn't live there.
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Busses in LA are the worst. This is coming from a former Chicagoan who's mow an Angeleno. They're slow half the time unreliable infrequent service unless you're right in downtown and that's only because a lot of busses go in the same direction for at least part of the route.
LOL El Monte Python
I know that the El Monte busway is actually the oldest busway in North America so I guess that makes it the US's very first BRT system.
Though the HOV lanes are stupid. It just hinders the buses, makes the bus platforms dangerous, and there's no good way to even enforce it that I know of so of course people would try to get into the lane whenever traffic is otherwise too inconvenient! (and knowing drivers this could be waiting even just 10 seconds more in traffic).
Its annoying that such is being proposed here to "Increase the share of Carpooling to reduce congestion" all while public transit here is suffering and gets little to no care from the state apart from the big infrastructure projects like a new BRT line or another highway expansion, all while bus services are being cut back nationwide and fares being the most expensive in the world.
Yeah and what I can’t wrap my mind around is that “carpooling” starts at 2 people! Like it’s just depressing to think about how many people ride solo in their vehicles for 2 people to be rewarded.
I don't know what the first busway was but the oldest one I know was in 1962 there were bus lanes added to the San Francisco Bay bridge. They were removed completely one year later due too those poor drivers.
@@Thom-TRA Carpooling needs to be 3+ all the time. 2 people should be the norm of "personal vehicles" and SOVs should be discouraged as much as possible.
I think LA Metro’s rates are still $1.75 per boarding. I don’t think that makes them among the nation’s highest, does it?
@@alikaalex You're right. I hate uninformed/malicious commenters like "Dr" Dewott because they spread falsehoods. San Francisco Muni bus fare is $3 cash. New York is $2.75. London is £1.75 or about $2.20. LA fares are not the most expensive in California, let alone the whole world!
The usvi could use those busses, they also drive on the left everywhere and is the us lol but I don’t think they have real busses just safari trucks
I lived in LA for a few years and it is remarkable just how incompetently stupid the transit system is. BRT galore, and hardly anyone rides them. I mean, just look around, the buses are practically empty at most times of the day!
They need faster things than buses to get people where they need to go, and trains should be everywhere! I want them to rip up every single "BRT" system and replace it with a train!
The orange line BRT is pretty nice. Silver line is good on its dedicated right of way portions. I see nothing wrong with BRT done right. The Pulse thing on the other hand.....that is shitty.
Transit use is still down nationwide from before the pandemic, especially during rush hour, due to more people still working at home.
What B.R.T. are you referring to? The old Orange Line was and is uncomfortably busy. I would never use it because of the number of passengers filling the vehicles.