ENTIRE Narzissenkreuz World Quest Lore RECAP and Theories | Genshin Impact
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- Lore Recap and Theories on the Narzissenkreuz World Quest line in Fontaine! This video will summarize as well as explain theories involving the Fatui Harbingers
Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction
0:36 Recommended Order to Play Quests
1:37 Recap + Background Story
7:42 Narzissenkreuz Ordo + Rene's beliefs
11:58 Search in the Algae Sea Story Explained
14:05 Tying the Lore Pieces Together
17:06 Fun Facts + Literary References
18:00 THEORIES (Arlecchino, Sandrone, Columbina, Time Loop Theory)
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as someone, who was trying to read and understand, but at some point just gave up i see this as an absolute win
Ong
I am always confused
same, i read a lot of it, but at some point got confused
@@mrcriminalpantsme too especially cus english isn’t my first language and they use those difficult ass words sometimes😭
@@eikirby don’t beat yourself up, English is my first and only language and I’m pretty fluent and even I have to look up what some of these words mean😂
For the sadistic personality explanation of Sandrone, The puppet has her own personality and Tartaglia says she always looks like she wants to murder him while Scara says that she has terrible personality so that could explain Sandrone(Mary-Ann puppet) being somewhat cruel while Alain(the creator) is not.
Dottore also says to Nahida that he has made copies of himself and that they have their own personalities or will, I can't remember.
Focalor also messed with this concept of removing ones will or separating your will from your body. she removed her divinity from her body and became a consciousness inside a machine while her body became Furina, with her own consciousness
Focalors is different cause she was originally Oceanid and their existance itself with water is different than humans. Dottore is human. But Merry Ann falls under category of Oceanids too, so comparing them would be better than bringing Dottore into this set.@@jordanmntungwa3311
Pretty sure she wants to murder Childe because he destroyed that one Guard factory,like anyone would in her shoes
@@braken63 But the factory actually belongs to Dottore, Child said it himself. Therefore, the reason why the Sandrone is dissatisfied with Child is not likely to be the factory.
@@braken63i don't thnk it has anything to do with childe himself, he's literally just a guy
Fun fact and likely not a coincidence: Karl Ingold's last name Ingold is the first part of the Bavarian city of Ingoldstadt. Ingoldstadt is the location where Dr. Frankenstein goes to study and creates his monster in Mary Shelley's famous novel Frankenstein.
The city is called Ingolstadt, not Ingol*d*stadt. Cool detail and possibly a reference nonetheless :)
Greetings from a Bavarian ^^
as someone whose favorite book is Frankenstein
i’m kinda sad i thought that name was very familiar, but couldn’t remember where it was from!
at least i recognized the alice in wonderland references (i also liked that book) 😊
😮
If Teyvat is in a time loop, it coincides with the statement Nahida made, stating that Celestia has been quiet for a while. So this could mean that they are either watching and waiting for something to happen during these cycles or that Celestia possibly lost its power/authority.
We also have to account for the fact that if it’s a time loop; the gnosis were made with the corpse of the third descender in the third loop, which is a bit weird
@@Suited_Nat so on the second samsara cycle, they never had any gnosis' ??? it's weird, it's a Samsara cycle but things are altered by the descenders?
@@LumeisiteThe thing is, there are no time loops here, this CZcamsr misunderstood the meaning of the text. The text did not confirm any things with time, Samsara was described there as an event in which civilizations flourish and fade three times, and the cycle of civilization in which we are now the fourth and could be the last and more civilizations not appear after, because everyone is going to die if the theorem came true (The theorem did not come true, because of Traveler/Descender which Rene did not take into account of his theorem).
@@iosis9324 That makes sense, but there is a note near the Narzenzinkruez [however you spell it] tower, which basically says stuff about Teyvat being in a Samsara Cycle [at least how I managed to think of it] it says there has been 4 cycles, and since the traveler is the fourth Descender, I assumed that's how it is
@@Lumeisite It is in the same note that it says exactly what I said. He said in this note about the three epochs in which civilizations appeared and died, and said that this would be the last because this time everyone will die because of the theorem and no one else will be able to build a new civilization, this is what he meant by Samsara cycle, not that there are time loops. No one has ever talked about any kind of time travel in genshin.
Its weird how Arlecchino just simply tracked down the ruins where prophecy slates were located and told us about it later...But the real plot twist comes when we look into the scene where Freminet brought the missing plate to Neuvillete when we were losing the trial(This piece of info allowed us to win trial against Furina)...He couldnt have brought it by himself since he didnt knew about the location...
To sum up All this was Arlecchino's grand master plan to get the gnosis by using the intel she had...It was also actually funny when she just literally gave us a big hint that Furina is a fraud archon....
tbh originally it was supposed to be the siblings and other fatuis mission to to explore the ruins in the first place so it makes sense for them to know the location and maybe after the poisson rescue mission they could have went in on their own and conducted the search for the missing slate
It wasn't the slate that make us win against Furina. By the time Freminet arrived, the Oratrice already give its verdict, the slates just clarifying some points and warn us about the narwhal.
We already won against furina even before freminet arrived. Also, originally, it was the trio with other fatuus that are supposed to go inside the ruins but they didn't because they had the save the people of poisson.
I don't think it would be like that. Remember if ANYONE who wasn't a decender knew the truth it would put the whole plan at risk which is why Furina had to keep if a secret from everyone. Even then Furina herself wasn't able to know what the actual plan really was, just what her job in it was. Arlecchino knowing definitavely from the start that Furina wasn't the true archon would have meant the plan would be at risk. I suspect it was more just that she was piecing it together at the same time we were. After all, she did want to save fontaine since she seems to genuinely feel connected to her homeland.
I mean she received it as thanks for how much she helped during the crisis which she herself admitted wasn't 100% altruistic
It never ceases to amaze me how complex and diverse the Genshin lore is. It's amazing to see how far we have come, as a community and in the game, since those first days in Mondstadt. We must be at least half way through the storyline, with over 72 playable characters and 5 archon quests completed to date...
From Geo Slimes to Khaenri'ah, from Fontaine to Inazuma, Hoyoverse and Mihoyo have done a outstanding job with the quests, backstories, everything. It saddens me that, one day, our travels in Teyvat will end. I pray to the Archons that the fateful day will be far from now.
I fucking love this game.
My exact feelings
imo people dont give enough credit to the genshin lore, on the outside (just like the main story quests) the lore may seem simple, but once you learn everything from the world quests, purchasable books, the manga and the pages there is really so much interesting backstory and depth. i really appreciate lore creators like Minsleif for deciphering all these things and making it easier for me to understand!
hyv nd mihoyo r the same thing nd i think u meant from inazuma to fontaine😭😭
@@phis7567 yah sorry my grammer is actual shit sometimes-
Rene gigachad. Even tho his methods are questionable but he tried to save the world. He literally predicted prophecy and narwhal. Casually dropped vision and descender lore..
Doesn’t ask forgiveness what he did.
Based rene.
well he is not trying to save the world, only fontainians lol
@@mreatcoco nope he actually wanted become "descender".
@@ifakeifake7612 because he said only descender could prevent major castratophe which is the dissolvation of fontaine people because of the previous sin, which is ironic because he wanted to dissolve fontaine people himself and put them inside him lol
@@mreatcoco yes. But a descender worth "whole world". Descender = who can destroy, create, protect worlds.
@@mreatcoco no he wanted to save the world, his world formula predicted Narwhal destroying Fontaine yes but his world formula also predicted that this Narwhal would suck up all the primordial sea water and then 100 years later world would be uninhabitable(we even see a vision of how the world would look like in that future when we go through the looking glass)
This is definetly going to be the best explanation for the Narzissenkreuz world guests, i was so confused when doing the quests.
Ngl the aranara quest was easier to follow than this due to the confusing terms, names, timelines and quest order but i had a vague idea and was still one of the best world quest in genshin.
Trueee
i think it's because Aranara quest is like a standalone thing that suddenly started when we reach Sumeru without us having prior knowledge about it.. while this quest have breads and crumbs scattered around Sumeru long before Fontaine even came out..
Our sibling may have been dead since the 3rd samsara all along. What we saw in the "We Will Be Reunited" quest may have been just his/her data (copy) produced by the Irminsul.
Remember during the Sumeru archon quests, specifically the Sabzeruz Samsara, the Akasha creates a copy of everyone in the dream so no one could notice that it is a dream so our sibling may have been just a data from Irminsul all along.
Also I remember during some of Inazuma's quests where we and Ei investigated some leyline disorders that in order for the leylines to create an illusion/copy of someone, they must be dead and their data will then be stored in the leylines( roots of Irminsul)
Nahida confirming that the Irminsul have information about our sibling despite the fact that she shouldn't have since we're not from this world pretty much gave it away.
All this time we all have been looking for nothing 😢
With all the foreshadowing and hints given about the traveller being able to destroy or create the world now I'm thinking that at the end of the game will we be given a choice, to end the loop or start it all over again..... Now I'm scared and excited for the endgame haha.
We could all be watching the video to see how you pronounce "Narzissenkreuz" and "Fontaine".
But seriously this was probably the best summary I've seen on the topic so far. Felt very smooth. Also combining the timeline with non-Narzissenk stuff helped. Really good work.
On the interpretation of the Theosophy stuff although it's popular to take it all super seriously, it's important to note that René and Jakob may not have taken it seriously, because at base they organized a cult to fleece rich idiots of their money and put on a big act of being esoteric. So the line between what the really knew was true and what was a performance is hard to judge. They really did think they were saving the world and they really thought their research was vital, but because most people were idiots compared to them, and they needed funding, they couldn't just explain the truth, so they decided to embellish their purposes with a lot of theatrics. Hence while Furina was stuck pretending to be the Hydro Archon, even though she really was the Hydro Archon ("to deceive fate you must first deceive yourself") René was play acting the role of an esoteric Messiah who would save the world, even though he was in fact an esoteric messiah that was trying to save the world. In both cases they had to really ham it up and be over the top in their performances to fit with ordinary people's expectations.
I always thought Malazan was the most complex and deep fantasy world building. Apparently, that description belongs to the side quests of this phone game.
😆😆
AFAIK, statistically, it's more a PC/Console game than a phone game ^^ (It's build for PC/console, then downgrade work on phone)
Paimon riding Seymour in a painting made with blood in reference to Ars Paimon legit terrifies me more than any horror book, it makes me feel uneasy.
holy cow I just noticed this!!@@reivell3699
@@reivell3699 I don't think that painting was made with blood.
The abstract painting she gave us during the quest, however, certainly is made with blood, for the explicit purpose of connecting us with the blood's owner.
Ma'am, you're the MVP for reviewing this entire storyline. Even with some semblance of confusion now still, I feel I can follow along with this better---and it's a WILD story.
These quests REALLY needed to be voiced because the lore is wild. Thanks so much for this.
I read all chat in-game and didn't understand a thing. Then I listened to the video and also got lost at some point. So I guess I should just be happy I got a few primos out of the quests. Yay?
Great job compiling all that info. I can't imagine the effort it takes to read every single detail (and understand them) to summarize it like this. *hats off
Who ever the story boarder of the major world quest needs to be promoted like I'm so amaze how this kinda story came from an"anime gacha game" They went above and beyond for this quest especially so many more lore drop that leads to more question
What i would do without you minsleif, thank you so much for taking one for the community and reading all these things and summarizing it to us T____T
As much as I love these crazy world quests, I can’t help but feel that they make the first three nations seem very, very mundane. Fontainians were doing all this batshit stuff 400 years ago, meanwhile the most advanced thing we see in Mondstadt is a sealed door and Lisa tracking books. The existence of Seymour and Curve also make Tighnari’s story quest seem really silly in hindsight.
you're really good at piecing together and summarizing the quests! straight to the point and easy to follow, it's a talent tbh. i already knew some bits beforehand but watching this made it all clearer
Worth the wait.. thanks minsleif.. the quests have so many text that I just decided w8 for any lore creator to compile and present them in video form..
I BEEN WAITING FOR THIS FROM SOMEONEEE. That whole quest was so juicy and full of info and u broke it down so well.
Thank you so much ❤ This questline is so confusing and all over the place, you helped make sense of it!
I’ve been waiting so long for someone to put this all together thank you so much!
Thank you so much! This was absolutely awesome. I ❤ the way you flagged how certain events relate to other quests. This really connects the plot and bigger picture.
I really wish we have an option to replay the quests. I really want to do it in the order you suggested and get to enjoy the whole storytelling. Thanks again!
I got to say, I don't usually stick for videos that are +20 mins long, but that intro was killer!
Ur one of the most rare Genshin players who can pronounce Narzissenkreuz
Thank you so much! Just finished this world quest and wanted to see all info organized. You did an amazing job!!!
You are an absolute Saint Ms. Minsleif - Thank you, like I really did try so hard to understand what this big world quest was all about, but I knew I only just scratched the surface of the plot.
Best lore channel! Clear and succinct
Thank you for the recap. These questions were an absolute nightmare to understand in a broader context.
Thank you ❤❤
Even when nicely condensed into a video like this, I still had to use all my braincells to follow the story. This world quest had me very confused even when I was trying to follow it in-game.
been waiting for this for a long time !!! thank you
Thanks for the summary, and kudos to your pronounciation of Narzissenkreuz, it's perfect ^^
Great video! Being highkey obsessed with the Narzissenkreuz Adventure Team and these quests, it was a great ride. I was wondering, will you be covering anything that was disclosed in the Pursuit world quests?
YESSS ive been waiting for this thank u
I read the quest and understand what happened for the most part, but I enjoy watching these types of videos and seeing what i might have missed, or hearing people's thoughts
Damn this is an incredible video. I had a fairly good grasp on the lore and story but I had to resort to the Genshin wiki for some details because over the course of the questline so stretched out I missed and or forgot some details. This however is fantastic and clears up some things I had. The last part of theory is also well thought out and very interesting to me. Well done
almost 200k subs, congrats in advance 🌚.
I tried to pay attention to this questline but I was really confused and I definitely needed a summary lol thank you :)
Thanks for the overview of the questline, theres so much to digest over a long period of time and it's good to see it all condensed like this. I think we will be seeing sandrone in the storyline for fontaine around the 4.6 patch where arlechinno is rumoured to be playable, what that story might be I have no idea but I think ancient underwater ruins of remuria will show up (even though most of remuria was meant to have been sucked into the abyss when remus was dethroned)
Thank you so much for this❤
saying this helped a lot is an understatement.
FOR THE ORDO! LESGOOO (I love the Narzissenkreuz world quest and I was waiting for this)❤
ME TOOO!! I was so genuinely so invested in the world quests I completely forgot to do the Fontaine Archon quest 😭😭
Thanks a million for explaining this quest, it got too complicated for me and I didn't understand half of it and lost lots of interesting information you kindly explained in your video, so thank you !
To support the theory that Alain is still alive and his consciousness is in the robot. In the notes, as well as in the quest, Rene says that he saw in Alain’s Meks an opportunity to repeat Rimuria’s idea of transferring consciousness into golems, but better, he also turned to Alain with the idea of transferring the consciousness of people into his Meks, because Alain was stated to be capable of this, but Alain back then refused. But, we keep in mind that he is capable of this, that he left the institute to engage in his secret research, and that in one secret laboratory you can find research records that in a dry manner talk about an experiment on transferring consciousness into the meka neural network, a successful one by the way. Also Nimfs set says that every member of Narcisein institute continued there journey by some way, and as for Alain it's said that "one would continue it's advanture by secrets of machinery and body of steel". As for Sandrone sadism, well Alain was never refered as a very empacetic or kind person, rather very selfcentered and poor on emotions, also as a kid Alain really liked the idea of Rene where he assumed that he will grew up as a clishe evil scientist from novels.
excellent video as always
It was indeed a LOT of reading and I skimmed a lot of it so thank you for the guide
Me who DIDN’T do the world quests in order: I see this as an absolute win
thanks for this. i read everything but was still extremely confused lol. this helped clear things up
I REALLY REALLY HOPE that the Theory about Sandrone/Marionette real identity is Alain were True...
ITS SUCH A GREAT PLOT TWIST MAN...
I think he use the Remurian Technology to transfer Human consciousness into Gollem, and use it to transfer his own consciousness into the Ruin Guards...
And about Sandrone's "Merciless act" towards Jenck... its probably because he is not a Human Anymore for a Hundreds of years, and because of that he start to lose his sense of Humanity...
As a Razor speaker, I would need a full animated series to make sense of this.
i speed ran everything , even the archon quest , so this video is a huge help to keep up :D
Awesome video mins! 🌸
Since I ignored most of the text but enjoy lore, this video had me saying “whaaaaaaaaat?!” every 10 seconds.
Nice work
10/10 video for having correct captions
YEAA PART 2 I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR LESGOOOO XD
I did all the quests, though out of the recommended order, so I was a little lost. Was hoping one of the Genshin lore channels I followed would put together a video like this. 😂 Thank you!
My interpretation for Sandrone is that she was created by Alain in the image of Mary Ann, maybe even to behave like her, but she perhaps gained self awareness and that’s when she joined the Fatui and why she’s interested in machine intelligence. Perhaps it’s just the Westworld fan in me, but that makes more sense to me than the theory of the bigger robot being the actual Sandrone/Alain himself.
Thank you for this! I got so lost with all the names and disjointed timeline.
i dont know why, i already have guts that arlechino is admiral basil elton, atleast since the fontaine armada questline. i dont have any evidence at that time, but now after finishing all narzisenkreuz quest, my early doubt has been cleared. good analysis as always minsleif !
Think of all that reading you saved me from! ALL HAIL!
awesome video!
Minsleaf deserves a raise for whatever she does for a living. THANK YOU AGAIN AND AGAIN for this catchup. Been playing Genshin just for the dailies now, and quite lost at Fontaine quests.
The one world quest i gave up trying to understand, so thank you for this lore combination ❤❤
HAPPY (belated) NEW YEAR, Min 🎊
This was a really thorough explainer! It was great getting the gaps filled in where I'd missed lore, even if I don't entirely agree with your conclusions. Specifically I think we're leaving a really interesting theory unexplored regarding Rene's opinion of visions. Rene's doomsday prediction was correct, and his solution of splitting the soul from the body is something we know would technically work, with the hydro archon having invoked this doomsday from Celestia by giving human bodies to oceanids, and the doomsday itself functioning to split the oceanid soul of Fontanians from their human bodies. Since Rene is ironically attempting to avoid Celestia's punishment by enacting a form of it himself, and he explicitly went out of his way to avoid being given a Vision and "tied to fate" yet still worked toward Celestia's intent, I think there's a case to be made for Visions being the exact opposite of what Rene thinks. It might well be that taking a Vision *frees* you from being tied to fate and allows us as the Traveler and our allies to change the course of events in Teyvat, and there's an interesting dovetail here with the theories around the gods on Celestia being quiet or absent, potentially losing control on the world. If a Vision allows you to defy fate rather than binding you to it, then it may imply that strong wills, strong ambitions, are stealing fragments of power from the gods to change the future, or might even be the thing the gods are observing through these samsara cycles, how the previous failures in past cycles are avoided or averted in the current cycle.
Thank you because I played a bit of this out of order so I was a tad confused at bits and pieces of the story 😅
Thank you very much for the summary. I'm still going through Sumeru so this helps give me a summary understanding of the questline since I haven't gotten to this part of the game yet.
One thing I'll say is your apprehension towards the theory of the lady being Mary-Ann (or someone meant to look like Mary-Ann) and the robot housing the conscious of Alain Guillotine is certainly warranted since if feels ooc for them to be the sadist Sandrone that we know of in game. But I want to provide one line of reasoning as to how this theory could still be possible even with this discrepancy in mind. One thing to keep in mind about the Harbingers is that then common through line between many of them is that the person that they are when they join the Fatui are radically different then who they were once upon a time. La Signora seemed to have become a nasty and selfish person after the death of her beloved, Tartaglia "seemingly" (by his family's perspectives) developed a love for fighting, violence, and bloodlust overnight after he fell into the Abyss, and Scaramouche/Wanderer developed contempt and a nasty personality after his three "betrayals". Dottore seems to be the only outlier as of now, but since much of his past is still relatively unknown, perhaps this through line can still exist in some form (though I have been theorizing that his ability to "segment" himself is what helps him develop various "masks" as is the through line for the Fatui as a whole).
tl;dr This "wearing of multiple masks" throughout their life is the common denominator it seems for the Fatui and this discrepancy for Sandrone, if they are Mary-Ann/Alain, could very well be the case of the multiple masks that they themselves have wore throughout their lives, and there can be many cases of what these masks are. I say what makes this theory really up in the air is the fact that we really don't know why Sandrone joined the Fatui. Without at least some evidence of this, it's impossible to say how likely this theory of who Sandrone is can be. Though certainly interesting that Sandrone (the lady) looks awfully similar to Mary-Ann, so it seems very likely that there is some connection there at least.
We still do have much to learn about Dottore, but I suspect he was always something of a mad scentist. I have a theory that he was the researcher who's notes you can find underneath the abandoned Elezar research hospitol in the desert, which seemed to suggest some pretty messed up experiments on the patients. It would be an explaination for him getting kicked out of the Academia.
iam just finished the quest yesterday, time to watch this
Thank you sm for making this
I tried keeping up with the story but I just forgot all that happened💀
But, but, the Djinn in Sumeru straight up tells you that Teyvat is stuck in a time loop.
All i get from this world quests that Rene is based. And probably Most big brain (same as dottore if not more).
Except he and his lackey Jakob don't even know the Narwhal has already been defeated. Seriously, one of them is in the primordial sea the other is in Fontaine. How can they not at least know the seawater is not dissolving people anymore. I don't know if this world quest can be completed before the 4.2 archon quest, but I think it should canonically take place before masquerade of the guilty because going into it after the conclusion of the archon quest feels like these two poopyheads somehow missed the nationwide flood and are still scheming for a job that's already been done.
@@opswhyyou7216 what you saying? Rene immediately deduct traveller is a descender after the fight. He already mentioned "unknown variable" in his world formula. Yes you can do before AQ and dialogue change to. He correct his world formula and predict that traveller will beat narwhal. But main thing is he predicted narwhal that even neuvillette Didn't knew.
@xixoxender9248 what I'm saying is, if you do this world quest after the archon quest, Rene and Jakob will look like fools because the Narwhal has been defeated at this time and the flood has already happened, yet those two are still acting like the apocalypse is looming until you inform them that you took care of the Narwhal. They have to be extra ignorant to not notice the apocalypse they know so much about has already been averted. So it's good that you can do this world quest before the archon quest because I think that's when it canonically happened, before you battled the Narwhal. Rene and Jakob's actions only make sense before the apocalypse is averted.
THANK YOU. This has been one of my favourite world quest storylines to date, given how long the time period extends from and how khaenri'ah, king deshret, and pre-fontaine tech are involved, but something about this story really stuck with me. I think it was the prospect of experimenting on humans with the abyss and turning them into monsters felt somehow just as bad as realising Hilichurls are people. Rene had lofty goals but in the end he was misguided in his methods.
I really hope that Dain's annual storyline expands on this - it feels natural that it will, because he and Jakob probably had dealings in the past 500 years, and now we met with Childe and Skirk in the primordial sea/abyss it makes going there soon quite likely.
I could very well imagine that the oceanid mary ann is the consciousness of lyris as well as the other ppl she had absorbed by then. because in the first encounter with "mary ann" she referred to traveller as a pince/princess from a faraway land and the real mary ann could have not known this. so that knowledge probably came from someone lyris had absorbed before. for the oceanid "ann" I think she was created by lyris (and or eltons consciousness inside her) because at the moment of mary anns death she deeply wished for mary ann to live a life without anything that happened after eltons dissapearance from the institute. during the quests ann remembered jakob and rene but not anything concerning the ordo or the abyssal experiments. the bronch qas probably given to her by lyris as well. I love genshin story so muchhhhh ❤
I've been following the story of this WQ but reading through it all is just confusing.. This whole summary is what I've been waiting for!
Nope I just love your videos watching you makes my braincells weeeeeeee!
I am so happy you posted this. In all honesty I am not here because I didn't understand the quest, but because I am curious of what happened to Alain. Since everyone else's story seems to have concluded (at least this chapter of the story).
In all honesty I somehow agree with the theory of Arlechino possibly being the Vice Director. As for Alain being the Harbinger is another thing.
Marionette/Sandrone has so many similarities to 2 particular characters that are both connected to science and machines and are bothe conveniently dead without a body. I am talking about Guizhong and Mary-Ann. Alain is the one with an interest in science but at the end of the day, Mary Ann was still his sister who died right in front of him. She was kind and was he. Meanwhile Guizhong is described as a pure, but intelligent person. She also showd interst in mechanics and science. But neither of them fit Sandrone's cruel and sadistic nature so at this point it is quite hard to truly determine who Sandrone is.
For all we know she could be the fox lady from the Fox in a Dandelion Sea (jest) and I would believe you. Though as someone on reddit mentioned, it seems like her only connection would be Sneznaya and not Fontaine or Liyue. But I could be wrong, we still have a likely Interlude AQ coming and Furine/Neuvillette 2nd story quest coming as well as a likely Mondstat expension so there's still time.
Sigh, it sounded too complicated for an unvoiced quest chain, so I only vaguely understood it. Thank you for clarifying it.
Genshin lore runs so deep that I can't keep up, that's why I'm so grateful for your content 🙌
One thing that makes me feel that Sandrone is going to be absolutely crazy like Dottore is the fact that Katheryne has a "keyhole" like emblem behind her neck, meaning that she could be the one behind the production of it. Her fight is just going to be her using an army of Katherynes to fight us x_x
0:00 - 0:03
Honest to god, down to earth, genuine, immediate, truest, purest, realest thing one could ever say.
9:34 - the names described (hyperborea,natlnean,remuria,4th samsara etc,) are arranged in reverse order of the regions on teyvat storyline (snezhnaya,natlan,fontaine,sumeru)
10:13 the second paragraph is hinting about the *"three primodial gods"* in hindu mythology ."Bhrama" creates all the life, "Vishnu" or "Narayana" control all the life and their fate and would descend personally in different forms to change the destinies of those creatures. "Shiva" is associated with destruction as its time for the destruction if he opens his third eye (shivda also the name of cryo gemstone)
Both Tartaglia and the Wanderer address Sandrone with she/her pronouns so I would guess that the girl seen in the robot's hand is Sandrone herself. It is unlikely that this kind of information would be an unknown or unavailable especially to the rank 6 Fatui harbinger considering Sandrone is lower in ranking than him. Also, in the Teyvat Interlude Chapter: The Winter Night's Lazzo, the girl is depicted with no noticeable robotic features. I would argue that given the nature of Mary-Ann and Alain Guillotin in Mary-Ann's refusal to contribute to Rene's experiments and in the case of Alain outright denouncing them, should not have the nature possessed by Sandrone therefore it was most likely Mary-Ann being manipulated or affected over a certain source. This would also make sense from a writing standpoint as Sandrone is generally looked upon as the one of the least significant harbingers and this would be a fresh new idea for the harbingers of saving someone from manipulations rather than simply defeating them (Signora), working with them cautiously (Arlecchino & Childe) or helping them turn over a new leaf (Wanderer).
Well, Katherine, Wanderer and Raiden Shogun also don't have such features and yet they're puppets.
"Also, in the Teyvat Interlude Chapter: The Winter Night's Lazzo, the girl is depicted with no noticeable robotic features."
* *looks at Katheryne, Wanderer, and Raiden Shogun* *
Yeah... I don't know about that one being good evidence there. Genshin doesn't really make obvious markers for artificial beings.
I would also say that both Tartaglia and Wanderer referring to Sandrone with she/her pronouns is not suggesting that the lady is Sandrone, but that those two know Sandrone as the lady from their own understanding. It's impossible then to disprove the idea that the "real" Sandrone is the robot if the possibility "that the truth has been hidden from the other Fatui (with maybe some exceptions)" can occur.
Also, there's really no correlation between Sandrone having been manipulated into joining the Fatui essentially and that leading to it "making sense" from a story perspective. At least, other than creating a different way for the relation between the Traveler and Sandrone to form, which is weak and fairly subjective in and of itself. I'm going to guess then that you would personally find this interesting if this were the case then.
I say what Minsleif said in the video is the best mark against the theory that "Sandrone is the a robot duo with a Mary-Ann lookalike with the lady and the Ruin Garde robot holding the conscious of Alain Guillotine" is that Sandrone seems to be a sadistic being, which feel ooc for Alain. Though I say even this is not full proof when you consider that this wouldn't be the only Harbinger that has had essentially change their character radically (La Signora, Tartaglia, and Scarmouche/Wanderer being three Harbingers that we've know has this happened to).
The problem with that is we know exactly what happened to Mary-Ann. She died, her body was dissolved and her consciousness was absorbed by Lyris. I was going to say it could be possible that it was someone else's consciousness in Mary-Ann's body, but given how oceanids work, that can't be the case. Ann and Mary-Ann the oceanids are what remains of Mary-Ann's consciousness.
i agree that so far the one recognized as the Harbinger has been the girl herself. whether she is a puppet, i’m not sure.
as for the replies to your comment :
i do think while Sandrone doesn’t necessarily look like a puppet, people believe she looks similar to Katheryne (who has a clear keyhole on the back of her neck). and both the wanderer and the shogun also have marks on the back of their necks iirc, while albedo has one on the front. that seems to be a common marker of artificial people in genshin so far.
I like the thought Teyvat is in a time loop. Actually the BP spear weapon history speak about Ajax (Tartaglia) but it doesn't seems to be the same Tartaglia we know. It's also an fairytale so doesn't modified by Irminsul reset.
You deserve a million likes just to pronounce "NARZISSENKREUZ"
I think making such videos for every big world quest would be great. Or at least based on nations.
Sure, it would take a lot of time for some like King Deshret, and most of the sumeru lore in general. But there are also short ones like Dragonspine that are probably complete, so there is no risk of doing it and then having to redo it or make a complementary video.
You are awesome leafy
i never knew that painting existed if not for this video thanks mins
I'd rather hear you read it to me then read it myself so thank you and thank you for your beautiful voice
i was waiting for this video, i read this whole quest, was pretty invested and still managed to understand nothing lmao. Thanks for the explanation, i finally understood more of this whole story.
Although, i still dont get how this scary esoteric book work - If it is a vision of doomsday, why it appears differently to Carter? I remember there was a dog that warned us about not coming back here and Carter said something like "it looks like a dog to you?". And why is it connected to upside down fountain from the chasm? Maybe i just overthink it and its just simple explanation like - its abyss, thats how it works.
So the thing is Caterpillar and the dog are both remnants of Carter. The dog is something like the "true" Carter, whereas Caterpillar is essentially like his base level soul, but he doesn't really remember being Carter. So when Caterpillar encounters dog Carter in the Book of Esoteric Revelations, what he sees is likely himself as the real Carter, which causes him to lose his sense of self, which is why he reverts to base hilichurl instincts and attacks us. Something like that anyway.
"was pretty invested and still managed to understand nothing" long, deep genshin world quests in a nutshell
I have finished the Fontaine archon quest but haven't done a single world quest since King Deshret and the Eternal Paradise. I'm behind at least 8 World Quests.
Ty for these lore folks. I just don't have the time.
I tried so so so hard to understand this storyline and i was left feeling incredibly frustrated because it's SUCH an interesting story but i could only grasp the broadest strokes. I didn't think anything would confuse me more than the entirety of the Aranara storyline but... Here we are. So, thank you for the video!
This is masterpiece
One thing I love from the Fontaine Archon quest and this world quest is that you see a lot of people are actively working trying to avoid the impending disaster that is to come, René, Arlecchinno, Wriothesley, Focalors, and even Neuvillette who is a dragon, also imo every character feels like they have meaning, like even Basil's death feels impactful
Imagine the Traveler explaining this to Clorinde just gaslighting her, cause her to flabbergasted, say it's just a prank. In that order.
Let's go, I nearly understood nothing, I'll watch it again later when I'm less tired
I don’t really think it’s a time loop per say but a Samsara (as was mentioned in the notes). Wouldn’t be the first time, a world would be stuck in a Samsara in a Hoyoverse games since Earth and seemingly Mars (Honkai Impact 3rd) is/was also stuck in one.
I don’t think I need to explain the difference between a Samsara and a Time loop since this was already explained during the Sumeru Archon quest with the Sabzeruz Samsara.
its definitely a Samsara, have you read the note near the tower?
@@Lumeisite but that’s what I said
@Ash-qd2ke oh I don't mean to be rude, sorry if I seemed that way, but I'm just asking since the note near the tower in genshin legit says that we're in a Samsara [at least something about it]
@@Ash-qd2ke [just a tag, since for some reason the old comment's didn't work]
And it's also weird that if the gnosis's came from the 3rd Descender, and I assume that they arrived during the 3rd Cycle, then it means that the 1st and 2nd cycle does not have any gnosis's
Am I the only one who wasn’t confused, just wanted to hear Narzissenkreuz theories?😅
I just LOVE the characters, especially Jakob’s unhealthy obsession with Rene. Having said that, I think it’s pretty obvious that Jakob did not create Arlecchino. He only cared about Rene, and was pretty hostile even towards Carter and Seymour.
Arlecchino certainly has the marks of being a similar creature to Cater, but she is a pretty young Fontaine kid who grew up in the House of the Hearth. For now, I can only suspect someone of the Fatui as her “creator”. We sure know Dottore has experience with soul transferring. But Fontaine is full of mad scientists, so who knows…
Sandrone… Right now, I’m more excited about Sandrone than Arlecchino. She cut out a dude’s tongue for hurting a fellow mechanical creature and left a message, how could I not love her? I want to see a Mary-Ann only tea party in the real Annapausis! All three of them. Praying for Alain to be there in the big robot.🙏🙏🙏
hey minsleif, i love your videos and i had a request for you, could you make a video about scaramouche's backstory? for example, the kabukimono, kunikuzushi and how scara arose to power? thanks!