Egypt's Lost Pyramid
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- An online lecture by Dr Chris Naunton.
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In 2017 an Egyptian Mission discovered a previously unknown pyramid at the site of Dahshur & it seemed the burial chamber was intact... I was lucky enough to visit to make a film when the tomb was opened. This is the story. The film was broadcast in the UK on Channel 4 in October 2019 and is available for catch-up via All4 (bit.ly/3iXsEP0). It subsequently appeared on the Smithsonian Channel in North America (catch up here: bit.ly/3iSrBQy) and SBS in Australia (bit.ly/2EdW6BB).
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Christopher Naunton, this is an absolute public service to the people of the world! I genuinely believe you’re a reborn ancient Egyptian stuck in the body of an English man 😃 Always a pleasure to hear your view on archeological developments 🙏🏻
You're very kind, thanks! So glad you enjoyed it :)
@@ChristopherNaunton i’m gonna frame your comment and hang on the wall of my office 😁 hope you accept my LinkedIn connection request too one day!
April 27, 2024. - a new pyramid, a new YT presentation from Chris N.....fabulous stuff, but what a shame it was missed by me before a long visit to Egypt in September 2023. Will just have to go back?! Thanks Chris!
Thank you! I suspect I will never leave Egypt without feeling that I have to go back! Hope you get there again soon 😀
I know I'm late but I came over from World of Antiquity. Really enjoyed the lecture, thank you.
Never too late :) Glad you enjoyed it!
Hey, I just finished watching the livestream on HistoryHits!
Thanks for watching the livestream and making your way over to this channel!
Thank you, this is a lovely informative lecture
Thank you! 🙏
Absolutely fantastic! Thank you so much for this!
Excellent. The best lecture I've seen in a long time. More, please.
Great to hear, thanks Angela! There will indeed be more to follow. To vote on what should be next see here: twitter.com/chrisnaunton/status/1296392663219003392?s=20
Chris, I really enjoyed this lecture. So often when I watch a documentary it seems that the more interesting it is, the more I get the sense of just skimming the surface. This follow up on what was already a really good doco is just the thing. You will be off to do Theban Tombs any tick now - it must feel great to be back.
Thanks Lesley, glad you enjoyed the talk! Already here in Egypt and having a great time, thanks!
indeed the best acdamic lecture for such legends (pyramids) , on YT , very much enjoyed.
thanx Dr. Chris
waiting for another here in CAI. soon
Fascinating , Thank you very much !
Post thought: I have no doubt that the ancient Egyptians knew about the function of a block and tackle and moved huge blocks by means of its superior ability to ease weighty objects like locking stones
As Spock in STAR TREK said...fascinating !!! Naunton has the egyptological spice that makes me taste the past with great attention and pleasure.
Thank you!
This is yet again so interesting I'm working my way though through all your lectures I can find on CZcams. So very informative
Thanks again Barbara! I hope you'll excuse the plug, but in addition to the talk that are freely available here there are a few others I can also make available for small fee, should that be of interest - see chrisnaunton.com/recorded-talks-online/
Wonderful lecture. Thankyou!
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!
Thoroughly enjoyed your informational, intriguing, and entertaining presentation!
As a young person my dream was to be an archeologist....but I discovered it might involve manual labor, sweaty, and grimy! So, I’m quite content for others to do all the hard work, enjoy your lecture, videos, photos as I enjoy my coffee and dessert in the comfort of my living room!
So, I am living this adventurous life vicariously through you! Thanks! Very much needed and appreciated during these challenging times in California!
Looking forward to more! BRAVO!
Thank you very much for your kind words, Ricardo! There will certainly be more - I have a few talks recorded which I'm yet to upload and will be continuing to give talks online this autumn. Hope there will be something more there for you to enjoy!
Hi, Chris! Just discovered your lectures. I saw you on TV last year, I think and I loved your book. Thanks for making these available.
My pleasure Susan! Glad to see you have already discovered some of the 'hidden' talks too!
Fantastic lecture , I plan to visit the pyramid next time I'm in Dashur.
Thank you! I hope you get to see it!
Thank you very much sir! I enjoyed your presentation greatly- I listened to you while melding a traditional Karelian pyramide- shape Christmas decoration, a tradition from my native countries, Finland and Sweden. Cant help thinking: howcome the pyramidal shape is so appealing to us. This “ himmeli” I am mending is from a time of pyramides, even more ancient. Thank you, I’d love to contribute. Look forward your next talk!
This lecture is very interesting and I enjoyed it very much but it makes me wonder about the origins of the ancient Egyptian language. Thankyou Chris for sharing information so that people who haven’t studied archaeology can listen, learn and understand. 🧐
Thanks for watching! I recently gave a talk on the decipherment of the Egyptian language (instagram.com/p/CrpzRxBKkcX/?) - if I get a chance I'll give it again online - watch my website (chrisnaunton.com/lectures/) and social media for an announcement!
Makes one wonder how many other 'lost' pyramids there are under the sand. Just think of what would've been found had not the priesthood itself robbed the tomb before it was sealed.
Those pesky priests that even littered the tomb with plastic bags 😂
I have to say that the tomb being robbed before it was sealed, and then remaining sealed until 2017 seems very unlikely to me. I would have to think that when the stone of the pyramid chambers was quarried away that the burial chamber would have been opened. It's possible the burial was originally robbed before this, when the pyramid was intact, but I can't imagine stone robbers removing the stone that covered the burial chamber and completely ignoring a potentially treasure filled burial chamber.
The fact that only a couple bones were found is also evidence the burial was opened long after it's occupant's death. If the tomb had only been robbed right after death of the individual, I would expect a complete skeleton to be present, or possibly no bones at all if for some reason the robbers removed the body. However, it's easy to imagine a few bones breaking off from a fragile mummy or skeleton as it was removed from the burial in the scenario of robbery hundreds or thousands of years after the tomb was sealed.
Another wonderful presentation Dr. Naunton, already on my third viewing. Would love to know your thoughts as to why/how this site remained unlooted until Montet discovered it.
Saw is on Smithsonian channel. It was great
The idea that plastic bags and other modern debris were sucked into the tomb through an arm-length crack is preposterous. But we know the doctor has to be very careful to avoid upsetting the egyptian authorities by even insinuating the looting was done by modern egyptians. In the end it doesn't matter when the contents were looted.
That doco can now be found right here on CZcams
Although i love discoveries i think they should be careful when opening those tombs... They are laid with ancient curses and magic.. Love your channel. Keep it up!
In case anybody has missed it, the whole doco is here on CZcams.
Oh, good to know, thanks!
20:15 Fascinating! I would love to hear you do a talk on this.
I haven't listened yet, I will in a mo. But if it's about that recent discovery where they lifted a huge stone block off a burial chamber and found it had already been robbed then I worked out the reason for that immediately I saw it.
Just imagine. You have the big burial ceremony, the body and treasures are lowered in. All the songs are sung and the Royal mourners disappear over the horizon. All that's left is for the workers to lower the giant stone into place. Well first they pop into the chamber and loot it and do as they like. Then they put the huge stone in completing the burial and covering up their crime.
Again, they just wait till the Royals have left.
You would think the King & Royal family members would wait for the stone to be lowered into place. I'm skeptical about the inside-job theory. I'm more inclined to think the the tomb was robbed later, somehow.
Yup. That’s the episode i watched.
Just watched show on the discovery of the hapcheptset (sp) in that tomb where the ten ton stone was blocking entrance
I watched with great interest the documentary film of this discovery when it was broadcast on Channel4 and this was a brilliantly informative accompaniment to it. Though I dare say you still left plenty out as the pyramid and burial chamber contents remain no less enigmatic!
I could see a well illustrated and in-depth CZcams series exploring the development of pharoanic monumental funerary architecture being *very* well received. As would the suggestion of an exploration of Egyptian chronology.
Perhaps even a talk disguising a pitch for a on Robert Hay's journeys and journals... ;)
Many thanks again for your kind comments, delighted you enjoyed the talk! And thanks for your suggestions. I did eventually include some discussion of chronology in my talk on 'The Third Intermediate Period Untangled' although I haven't yet made that one freely accessible - see here: chrisnaunton.com/the-third-intermediate-period/ And I would LOVE to do a book on Hay but a biography has already been published (albeit a long time ago and it's now out-of-print, and was unillustrated in any case...) and there is currently a PhD student working on the archive - she'll probably be a better author of any new book than me!
@@ChristopherNaunton I meant every word of it, you're a very good presenter of what can often or otherwise be rather dry material, no pun intended... and, as mentioned, it is very generous of you to share your lectures and presentations here. The chronology series looks fascinating, very interested to see how Rohl's hypothesis stands up to serious academic scrutiny.
I'm not sure how familiar you are with YT, and I would hate for you think I was patronising/mansplaining you, but if you intend to release any more recordings that you've already made you can use the Premiere feature to, in effect, LiveStream it rather than just Upload it. So it would appear like any other LiveStream with the accompanying LiveChat that you are then free to participate in. Also, without sullying the conversation too much with the sordid topic of coin, anyone else in the LiveChat would have the Donate function available to them. From other English speaking channels with an historical bent that I subscribe to I've noticed that 16:00 and 20:00 are popular LiveStream/Premiere times. If you wanted to test some times out you for yourself you could always just re-upload your current uploads but do them as Premieres.
I've already written more than I could reasonably expect you to have the time to read but on Robert Hay, I know his drawings of Cairo from searching the British Library for 'Glasgow' where it was returning results for the great Glaswegian publishing houses rather than Hay... but I only know about his remarkable work in recording the remains of ancient Egypt from your Notebooks book and talks. As a Scottish person it saddens me that I knew nothing about that and I really appreciate you playing your part in bringing it to greater light. Also appreciate you noting when someone was Scottish, so often in presentations and documentaries it is stated when someone us English and everyone else is just British. So it's nice to feel seen and included :)
@@LarsOfMars. Thank you again, lots of very useful advice here! Im crazy busy for the next few months but hoping to get back to more virtual activities including lectures and CZcams this summer - will be referring back to your suggestions then! Thanks again!
@@ChristopherNaunton Busy is good! Be well, and have fun 🧐
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Found this whole talk really interesting. History of pyramids etc. A few points though. In your photo I noticed pieces of plastic inside the burial chamber with sand that had settled on them. Possibly from illegal quarriers who would have had the equipment to lift the stones? Also the stones covering the burial chamber seem a bit odd. You said two different types of stone Quartz and pink granite I think . Also the Stone with the angled sides that you lifted out does not appear right to me for the job. In fact it appears that stone could have originally been the the stone that left the angle impression in the limestone at the back of the structure. Another point is it could have been raided at any time over the past centuries prior to it being buried by sand. Given also that it might not have ever been finished.
Glad you enjoyed it! Yes, there were pieces of plastic inside the burial chamber. They're a bit difficult to explain but there were tiny gaps in between the stones that form the burial chamber and they had been exposed for a short time prior to the chamber being opened. The most obvious explanation is that these items - including a plastic carrier bag of the kind one sees floating around all the time - simply blew in through the gaps during that time. Even this is difficult to believe as the gaps are so small but it's the best explanation we have.
It doesn't seem very likely that the quarrymen would have had the equipment to lift the stones, the equipment used in the film came from the Grand Egyptian Museum conservation team and involved one item that was specifically made for the task, and the whole operation was very expensive! Furthermore, as far as I know, the burial chamber wasn't revealed until after the archaeologists had arrived.
The stones overlying the burial chamber were three in number, two of granite, and one of red quartzite. They seem to have been cut to fit precisely the space in which they were - which corresponds to what we know from elsewhere of this method of sealing the burial chamber - i.e. very large pieces of stone too hard to be easily cut through, fit very snugly together so as to leave no points of weakness or entry that could be exploited by robbers.
The tomb *could* have been raided at any point, but the big mystery is how given that moving any of the blocks would have been extremely difficult - impossible in fact - and there is otherwise no way in or out.
It is very possible that the tomb was never finished, but it does seem clear that the burial chamber did receive the burial as intended, even if the rest of the structure - pyramid etc - was never finished.
Thanks for your thoughts!
@@ChristopherNaunton Hi Chris thanks for the reply. It appears that the tomb has been pillaged at some stage and looking at the inside of the burial chamber every side is well sealed except the cap stone that was lifted by you guys.The colour of the better sealed granite stone next to the one lifted is lighter than the one lifted. Which could mean that it is not the original stone used to seal the chamber. plus the fact of its odd shape considering its purpose. There was pieces of broken stone in the chamber which would possibly be part of the original cap stone. There was also a piece of hardwood in their underneath that wooden box. Would be interesting to know how old that piece is. It could give the date of the break in. A front end wheel loader normally used in a quarry would be able to lift 35 tons. As to being impossible to lift this stone out, you said yourself in the documentary that watching the present day lifting of the stone would not be unlike how they would have done it 4 thousand years ago. Be interesting to see the report.
Hi Chris what is the name of the music of this movie please
I'm very sorry but I wasn't involved in this aspect of the production and I don't have any of the details about the music - sorry!
There is an ancient Egyptian artifact bowl of sorts that has the 3 pyrs of Egypt drawn on it. There was never a fourth and the 3 pyrs of Egypt align with orion 3 stars.
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I recently subbed to this channel as I love this stuff. And not an Alien or Man from Atlantis in sight!
But I watched this video and if you made the following points I seem to have missed them:
1) whose pyramid was it?
2) what was found in the burial chamber?
Cheers.
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Thanks for watching, and subscribing! And sorry that these points didn't come across clearly. The pyramid probably belonged to a princess named Hatshepsut(?), daughter of pharaoh Ameny Qemau of the 13th Dynasty, The reading of the name is based on the inscriptions on the canopic box which was among the items found in the burial chamber. The first part of the name 'Hat___' is legible but the rest is difficult to read. Very little of the original contents of the burial chamber survived, the most impressive being the canopic box and the lid of a coffin belonging to a woman. More info here: chrisnaunton.com/egypts-lost-pyramid/
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Cheers.
I also noticed the name "Ameny Qemau", but you were pronouncing it "Kemall". Where does the "l" sound come from?
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@@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095 I'm sorry if it sounded like that - we don't know how Egyptian names were pronounced of course but the best we can manage sounds something like 'kem-aa-oo' - there's no 'L' sound present.
@@ChristopherNaunton
Well, it certainly _sounded_ like there was an "l" at the end!
Maybe I should clean the potatoes out of my ears! 🥔
I didn't even know the female form of names had a "t" at the end until I started watching your videos!
Thanks for the reply!
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Interesting talk. Thank you for posting. It would be nice to hear more about exactly what all was found in the chamber, including the plastic bag.
If you believe the plastic bag was just from the point it was cracked open here, then please clarify how much and how long it was cracked open.
Or was there any other trash that could be dated to get an idea of when it was last opened?
I agree it looked robbed already but were there any other signs it had been previously opened…or maybe ancient Egyptians invented plastic bags 😅
Thank you for watching! The final report on the discovery of the pyramid is still in preparation. Links to more or less all the info I have are here: chrisnaunton.com/egypts-lost-pyramid/ ...including a link to the Ministry of Antiquities newsletter which, as far as I know, is the best published source of information on the contents of the burial chamber. I could only tell you anecdotally, that any cracks or other openings that were present prior to the removal of the blocking stones with the crane were *tiny* and it's very difficult even to imagine that the plastic bag could have got in but it did. There were no other points of entry and the whole point of the design is that it would be impossible to get back in once the chamber was sealed without either smashing through the floor, walls or ceiling blocks (blocking stones) - there was no sign of anything like that - or removing one of the ceiling blocks - and it took the Ministry of Antiquities crane and around 25 men to move one of the stones a few inches, and that took the best part of two days! I still think the best explanation is that the robbery took place *before* the chamber was ever sealed, but even that isn't entirely satisfactory. So we still have a puzzle!
@@ChristopherNaunton Wow! Thank you very much for the detailed reply. Very very interesting and indeed quite a puzzle. Thanks for the link and you've got a great website. One final question, do you know if there was ever a final report of the tomb findings? The linked MofA newsletter from May 2017 just gave a brief overview, and I couldn't find how to search all the newer newsletters....Basically, were any of the artifacts were ever carbon dated? I would love to know what the box, bones, AND plastic bag dated to....
@@woobenten4830 No, as per my previous message, s far as I'm aware there has been non further publication of the site or the material found in the burial chamber so the newsletter is there best source of info there is up to now. Watch this space!
I would be happy to pay to listen
Lovely to know, thanks Patricia! I have a few talks that are not yet publicly accessible here available for a fee - see this page: chrisnaunton.com/recorded-talks-online/ If you have any questions about how this works please feel free to drop me a line via this page: chrisnaunton.com/contact/
How do you lose a pyramid?
Where were you born
Atlantizoid ;P
England!
The difficulty of lifting one block with 21st century equipment shows what great engineers the ancients were? Let's see, primitive, bronze age people had better equipment & techniques than us now. Face it bronze tools & pounding stones could not have carved, lifted & placed these megaton blocks. A superior hi tech civilization with machine tools is the only logical answer. Even the Egyptians speak about an intelligent civilization before theirs.
I must be missing something. People in the past took the pyramid down all the way to the burial chamber, and you are surprised that they unsealed the burial chamber?
The bent pyramid was actually built that way on purpose, … to instruct the observer where to stand, approached from the north, as the tip vanishes behind the ridge, and from there ask where is the sun. If it’s transit also takes it behind the ridge, which it is for 100 days then the pyramid is a tomb for Ra for 100 days of winter. It wasn’t a mistake lol it was built as a tomb for Ra for 100 days every year and it’s function relies on the bend 👍
Love the presentations … very nice indeed 👌👍
I wonder your opinion on yt channels such as uncharted X absolutely destroying the established narrative put forward by egyptologists and the hundreds of thousands of viewers who agree.
For example what's your take on Christopher Dunn's explanation of the cavity found in the great pyramid which he predicted would be there before scan pyramids project found it. I ask because I've seen your article about it with no mention of Christopher Dunn who if continues to be ignored by egyptologists posses a great risk to the trust of your profession.
Thanks for your time and consideration in this.
Hi, I don't know the work of Christopher Dunn but I'm yet to see good *evidence* that the narratives of establishment Egyptology should be changed dramatically. In my time in the field (since the mid-90s) there have been many alternative interpretations of the evidence for e.g. the age of the sphinx / pyramids, or other aspects of history / chronology etc, some of them very high profile (e.g. Schoch, Hancock, Bauval, Rohl). In all cases they have failed to gain acceptance not because because of any conspiracy among established Egyptologists (if there is one I don't know anything about it!) but because the conventional interpretations are still the best fit with the evidence. Incidentally, the 'voids' in the great pyramid detected by moun tomography recently were well known previously, we still don't know what they are, and at present we have no way of finding out what they are. They may contain something sensational that will change our entire view of the history of mankind, but they probably don't (see also the chambers underneath the sphinx, underneath the Giza plateau etc). Thanks for the question!
@@ChristopherNaunton Have you seen the video uncharted X created on the timeline for the building of the pyramids?
I'd have to disagree that for example this alternative view has "failed to gain acceptance" on the contrary it's overwhelming evident by the number of people who support it. The only ones not are those invested in the old narrative.
Honestly if you are an egyptologist you really should have a look.
Hope this helps.
@@MonkeyKing3333 Hi, I've just had a quick look and sorry but, there are several dubious assertions made in the first few minutes, many of which have been made frequently elsewhere in the past e.g. there is no evidence that pyramids were tombs. (there is plenty of good evidence that that's what they were, and very little to suggest they were anything else). It may well be that many people prefer to believe this alternative interpretation of the evidence, but I prefer the establishment view myself, not because I'm invested in it - changes to interpretations are brought about e.g. when new evidence comes to light and that's great - but because it represents the most plausible interpretation of the evidence. Incidentally, rather than there being 'no evidence' for the current timeline, it is supported by plenty of evidence of various kinds including the kinglists mentioned by UnchartedX , but also ceramics, seriation of various kinds, synchronisms with other cultures, and, as of a few years, C-14 (radiocarbon) data (See c14.arch.ox.ac.uk/egypt.html). I read Fingerprints of the Gods in the 90s and would be just as pleased as the next man to discover that history should be dramatically rewritten but it just doesn't fit with the evidence we have at present.
@@ChristopherNaunton Please don't apologize for your opinion it's quite common amongst people in your field.
The lack of a body could defer from your assumption it's a tomb whereas the valley of the gates of the king's most certainly could be assumed as tombs as they contained what tombs usually hold, bodies.
So just to be clear you agree the timeline for the building pyramids is accurate, when it would take almost as long to just cut and quarry the stone today from the largest supplier of sandstone in the world.
I would suggest you are invested in the narrative because that is what you were taught at (I presume) University and now (as you stated) can only deviate from that narrative. Christopher Dunn for example (a manufacturing engineer with 50 years experience) does not need to hold such a narrative as a baseline which is why his insights are so valuable and in fact greatly contrast egyptologist who I dare say have little to no experience in engineering.
I'm not sure why you keep bringing up Graham Hancock and his work however it's cool you wish his work was true, I'm not so familiar with it I'm afraid.
@@ChristopherNaunton Weak, predictable and firmly embedded within your discipline. "They may contain something sensational that will change our entire view of the history of mankind, but they probably don't." The promise of science. curtesy of television. Disposable.
1:22:47 - and it is absolutely obvious why your experimental archeology failed: your team's engineering skills are woeful, to say the least. Your chimneys were far too big for your supports which do not go down into the chimney far enough. Your mass on top is far too small. It needed at least half a ton of bricks loaded onto it, and the whole thing positioned perfectly for even weight distribution.
I also guarantee your relieving holes were the wrong size, and that the size of the hole required to produce slow and even movement is a function of the pressure (cm^2) exerted from above, and the cross-sectional area of the chimney.
I am also prepared to bet a very large sum of money that your experiment could not work at an English seaside. Beach sand is fundamentally different from desert sand. Ocean sand is course and very rough-edged, and it locks together very well when compacted. This is why it is used to create islands in Dubai.
Desert sand is smaller in size and the grains are rounded, which means it will always behave like a fluid when released.
Additionally, your beach sand will have had a very high water content compared to desert sand, which never sticks together because it is so dry.
I am not an archeologist, nor an engineer - but if I were in your team, I would not have allowed it to make so many fundamental mistakes due to ignorance and poor construction ability.
I'm sorry to say this: but when you try to perform an experiment, you have to do some actual research before you begin planning. Clearly, the was no actual science involved your experiment - Just spitballing by a bunch of people who had practically no idea what they were doing.
Sorry again. But it is necessary to call out people when their experiments are badly designed and executed.
Hi, thanks for your thoughts! The model was made by one of the production team - a television professional, with no formal training in engineering - with very limited funds and materials purchased from a local DIY store. This was never intended to do anything more than to demonstrate for viewers of the film how the sand hydraulics system works. In that regard it succeeded in so far as the final edit was approved for broadcast by Channel 4 (UK) and The Smithsonian Channel (USA) who funded the entire project. And I think it did serve to show what we wanted it to show, even if looked a bit amateurish! I'm sorry that you obviously feel we didn't succeed in what we trying to achieve but I don't think it compromised the film. And in any case we would all (broadcasters, production team, myself) have felt that the work on site in Egypt was most important - and I'm confident we showed that we had all the right expertise and funding in place in that situation.
less lip smacking. thanks.
I just can't. Six lip smacks and I'm out.
Less comment making more learning 😊
A barefoot crew is not "the best stone lifting experts in the world."
Pyramid don’t have stairs
Why don't you learn to use a real camera on your digs, if your going to do videos laters. "I'm sorry, I don't have a photo of this" doesn't cut it.
Less Lip smacking PLEASE!!!
New find by the blind mainstream , not new to free mind
sorry, but I fell asleep
But woke up again and had the time and energy to write this comment :)
Too much DISINFORMATION....
Don't you cryyyyy tonight ;P Hahahhahaah