X-men really needs to kick it into high gear. I also do not need a role swap of Xavier and Magneto like they are trying to set up. What do you want for Magneto, Xavier, and the X-men? Does kitty Prides father come back?
What I want for the X-Men is for the books to be good… I kinda want a competitive atmosphere in the office. I want every book to not only be creative, but the artist and the writer to be hungry enough to want to have the best book.
@@Livingmemoryofthexmen Remember that DC and Marvel want what is best for their desires. It won't matter if its a good story, great competition, or even talent. They want their ship to sail in a way they approve. If it does not get approved by them its a no go bro.
3:05 It's not. + 3:06 It's really not. 3:48 It's a more than fair assumption to make and just so you know even tho Orchis is indeed an evil anti-mutant organization one mustn't sympathise with, most of the foot soldiers who joined it have been at the receiving end of mutant villains and had the all illness cure held above their heads by the Krakoa nation who welcomed said villains on their grounds. The humans who joined Orchis saw all the criminals, that either hurt them directly or their families and friends, go to Paradise Island and be pardoned with doing anything like jail time or community service. It's like watching the trial of a criminal who hurt your most loved one and ve pardoned by the Judge regardless of all the proof help against them. 7:18 Mother Righteous's death was as anticlimactic and predictable (the sollicites spelled out that all the Sinister clones would be gone) as the two different instances where Si Spurrier had her kill Nightcrawler's adoptive mother without putting much of a fight in one panel. Forgettable villain turned prop since you'd think Sinister would have given her the most powerful healing factor on Earth, seeing how she was made at the image of his deceased wife who died of sickness.
This issue makes you forget Exodus and Apocalypse are supposed to be fully grown adults who lived for centuries in the first's case and thousands of years in the latter's. It's almost like their temper tantrums are there to fill the page count.
@@Livingmemoryofthexmen They could have had the villains that were left in the WHR come back to try a takeover on Earth only to be stopped by the rest of the Krakoans and the Earth mutants. They did say they resurrected everybody, might as well show what could be the big problem in doing that.
I joked about this on your review of FoHoX#5 but Nightcrawler's brain really does run on Internet Explorer for him to start holding resentment against Destiny and Mystique *now* after Gillen and Spurrier had him be all forgiving, hugs, happy and want to play family with them these past months. Even in the story, too much time passed for him for suddenly have those feelings : The retcon was in Spurrier's one-shot during Uncanny Spider-Man when Nightcrawler was clean shaved. He grows a beard again in the meantime until Destiny escapes the WHR then shaved it again for the Wedding Special only to regrow it again for Claremont's story... At least half a year passed between the moment he found out the truth and started holding grudges after already stating he forgives them and wants them in his life. You were right : He's nuts.
It was nice to have him push back, they are not giving kind of consequences for their actions, and this is a result of the editor just Lau, allowing the writers to do whatever they want. If I ever got my hands on these characters on changing all this back, I don’t care the Twitter community essentially are being told because they are lesbians. Nothing they did in the past counts
@@Livingmemoryofthexmen I'm with you here because this retcons everything as far back as their first stories and makes them less interesting as characters, let alone villains. The fact they were forgiven this easily when their excuses and justifications were below mid and are just big plotholes is annoying. Nightcrawler here is just pushing back to create the illusion that there are finally consequences to their actions and what they did to him was bad and damaging when, really, the second he accepted to go on a picnic with them and all of the forgiveness he freely distributed since the retcon should tell you everything about where and when exactly his self respect drew its last breaths. With a retcon, Nightcrawler will look like a dumbass of course but that's his trademark during Krakoa.
Nightcrawlers life is so much worse now that he knows who his real parents are because he knows that they do not care about him. They will say one thing and do another and they love rogue more than him
@@Livingmemoryofthexmen The only real parent Nightcrawler ever had and considered as such was Margali Szardos, his adoptive mother, and because of Si Spurrier and his retcon, Nightcrawler doesn't care about his time with her anymore like he never saw her motherly love and care as something real : His relationship with her is just a footnote compared to the one with his new biological parents he got retconned to now value more than anything. Claremont couldn't salvage a story this bad and doubled down on the low effort it was all put together. Nightcrawler is now worse as a character, very shallow, not as self aware anymore and without any amount self-respect to his name. So much of his appeal was sacrificed for a stupid scrapped concept that wasn't even the original one. I can still remember him not giving two craps about his family ties to Mystique and Azazel back in 2014 because they were criminals first and foremost and he was ready to sent them to jail in a heartbeat... Where did that Kurt Wagner go ? The one from this story drops that he was tempted at times to murder people when he kept killing people in FoHoX and, in this same issue, just tore out Apocalypse's eyeballs.
@@Livingmemoryofthexmen Mystique has stabbed and shot Rogue and tried to sleep with her boyfriend to break them up. So for Mystique to suddenly be a good mom who loves him sincerely is nonsense.
7:18 You're one of the only comicbook reviewers I've seen who wasn't annoyed that Nightcrawler was holding a grudge against his new biological parents. Also the excuse Mystique used about Margali Szardos keeping Nightcrawler hidden from them if they had tried looking for him ? It falls flat the second you remember Nightcrawler was a famous circus acrobat known around Europe and who had his real face on posters around every town it travelled to. It falls more flat when Nightcrawler was allowed by his kind adoptive mother to have friends outside the circus who knew what he actually looked like. Nightcrawler's childhood human friend even found him randomly during one of his out of town travels by accident (and had him he meet his young son). Also Claremont using Nightcrawler and Mystique's first meeting (7:18) which was during DoFP, a story where Mystique and Destiny created a dystopian future with most of mutantkind dead including Nightcrawler (one of the firdt mutants to go out) is the cherry on this joke of a mini story. 7:17 I agree their situation was forced and weird. Very out of touch with how Mystique knows about their situation in AoA. 7:18 This would have been so much better if Si Spurrier remembered this about them when he showed Nightcrawler's hot fantasies about Rogue in LoX#2 and had her be older than him in his badly written one-shot.
Rogue was never older than Kurt. It makes me a bit sick that Spurrier quite clearly did not gaf about Rogue as a character but was happy to retcon anything about her just to make her a plaything for his Nightcrawler storyline
Krakoa was too forgettable. I need to remind myself of everything that happened so I care about what happened. So much of it could have been trimmed down to only the good stuff.
There was some good stuff there in the beginning, but then every book became oh reason why the island was a bad idea or that self proposed isolation is a bad thing. I always thought it was good for the story of mutants, but then the rest of the world would have to change and none of the other books want to do that because Marvel is in this weird timeline where we always keep going to the past because we can’t go into the future.
@@Livingmemoryofthexmen Marvel needs to maintain the status quo no matter what. There is almost no such thing as the future for them. Remember one more day?
@@nemostrangesonginthedirt8448 but every future timeline is supposed to be dystopian? That says that they are afraid of the future because god forbid they take a stance that is later revealed to be wrong…. Nobody wants to be wrong nowadays
The way they do a fanfiction picnic as if this makes it all better. Some readers clearly arent here for the storyline. But I'm not one of those people. For me the storyline matters. It's lame to see all these characters be mischaracterized and mishandled for no good reason at all. Some use the excuse that Marvel do retcons all the time. But this extreme that people are getting completely mischaracterized? I'm not here for it. Bring Chuck Austen back.
I’m with you, he came up with a story that people may be pissed off about but really it makes a lot more sense than this hogwash they give us do they think they’re going to LGBT community and that’s really weird
@@Livingmemoryofthexmen It does not serve the lgbt community at all. Maybe some only read for explicit scenes. I'm here for the actual people and to see a gay couple become so toxic towards eachother because they had to be mischaracterized for this retcon to "work" sucks
@@Livingmemoryofthexmen And Chris Claremont just wants to flip the finger at Chuck Austen. He went as far as ruining his own characters to do it but there you go. He sucks.
@@romy_edits I will give all the respect to the work that he’s put in, but his attitude towards other writers is very atrocious. Part of me is curious what he would do with the X-Men now it’s a more of a curiosity just like I would love to see what Hickman would’ve done, had he been able to do everything he wanted or what would happen with Scott Lobdell.
X-men really needs to kick it into high gear. I also do not need a role swap of Xavier and Magneto like they are trying to set up. What do you want for Magneto, Xavier, and the X-men? Does kitty Prides father come back?
What I want for the X-Men is for the books to be good… I kinda want a competitive atmosphere in the office. I want every book to not only be creative, but the artist and the writer to be hungry enough to want to have the best book.
@@Livingmemoryofthexmen That is a lot to expect from both Marvel and DC nowadays.
@@CinemaKingTheaters should it? I mean, doesn’t every writer want to be the best?
@@Livingmemoryofthexmen Remember that DC and Marvel want what is best for their desires. It won't matter if its a good story, great competition, or even talent. They want their ship to sail in a way they approve. If it does not get approved by them its a no go bro.
3:05 It's not. + 3:06 It's really not.
3:48 It's a more than fair assumption to make and just so you know even tho Orchis is indeed an evil anti-mutant organization one mustn't sympathise with, most of the foot soldiers who joined it have been at the receiving end of mutant villains and had the all illness cure held above their heads by the Krakoa nation who welcomed said villains on their grounds.
The humans who joined Orchis saw all the criminals, that either hurt them directly or their families and friends, go to Paradise Island and be pardoned with doing anything like jail time or community service.
It's like watching the trial of a criminal who hurt your most loved one and ve pardoned by the Judge regardless of all the proof help against them.
7:18 Mother Righteous's death was as anticlimactic and predictable (the sollicites spelled out that all the Sinister clones would be gone) as the two different instances where Si Spurrier had her kill Nightcrawler's adoptive mother without putting much of a fight in one panel.
Forgettable villain turned prop since you'd think Sinister would have given her the most powerful healing factor on Earth, seeing how she was made at the image of his deceased wife who died of sickness.
This issue makes you forget Exodus and Apocalypse are supposed to be fully grown adults who lived for centuries in the first's case and thousands of years in the latter's.
It's almost like their temper tantrums are there to fill the page count.
They needed an action quota in every issue otherwise it’s too talky
@@Livingmemoryofthexmen They could have had the villains that were left in the WHR come back to try a takeover on Earth only to be stopped by the rest of the Krakoans and the Earth mutants.
They did say they resurrected everybody, might as well show what could be the big problem in doing that.
I joked about this on your review of FoHoX#5 but Nightcrawler's brain really does run on Internet Explorer for him to start holding resentment against Destiny and Mystique *now* after Gillen and Spurrier had him be all forgiving, hugs, happy and want to play family with them these past months.
Even in the story, too much time passed for him for suddenly have those feelings : The retcon was in Spurrier's one-shot during Uncanny Spider-Man when Nightcrawler was clean shaved. He grows a beard again in the meantime until Destiny escapes the WHR then shaved it again for the Wedding Special only to regrow it again for Claremont's story... At least half a year passed between the moment he found out the truth and started holding grudges after already stating he forgives them and wants them in his life.
You were right : He's nuts.
It was nice to have him push back, they are not giving kind of consequences for their actions, and this is a result of the editor just Lau, allowing the writers to do whatever they want. If I ever got my hands on these characters on changing all this back, I don’t care the Twitter community essentially are being told because they are lesbians. Nothing they did in the past counts
@@Livingmemoryofthexmen I'm with you here because this retcons everything as far back as their first stories and makes them less interesting as characters, let alone villains.
The fact they were forgiven this easily when their excuses and justifications were below mid and are just big plotholes is annoying.
Nightcrawler here is just pushing back to create the illusion that there are finally consequences to their actions and what they did to him was bad and damaging when, really, the second he accepted to go on a picnic with them and all of the forgiveness he freely distributed since the retcon should tell you everything about where and when exactly his self respect drew its last breaths.
With a retcon, Nightcrawler will look like a dumbass of course but that's his trademark during Krakoa.
Nightcrawlers life is so much worse now that he knows who his real parents are because he knows that they do not care about him. They will say one thing and do another and they love rogue more than him
@@Livingmemoryofthexmen The only real parent Nightcrawler ever had and considered as such was Margali Szardos, his adoptive mother, and because of Si Spurrier and his retcon, Nightcrawler doesn't care about his time with her anymore like he never saw her motherly love and care as something real : His relationship with her is just a footnote compared to the one with his new biological parents he got retconned to now value more than anything. Claremont couldn't salvage a story this bad and doubled down on the low effort it was all put together.
Nightcrawler is now worse as a character, very shallow, not as self aware anymore and without any amount self-respect to his name. So much of his appeal was sacrificed for a stupid scrapped concept that wasn't even the original one.
I can still remember him not giving two craps about his family ties to Mystique and Azazel back in 2014 because they were criminals first and foremost and he was ready to sent them to jail in a heartbeat... Where did that Kurt Wagner go ?
The one from this story drops that he was tempted at times to murder people when he kept killing people in FoHoX and, in this same issue, just tore out Apocalypse's eyeballs.
@@Livingmemoryofthexmen Mystique has stabbed and shot Rogue and tried to sleep with her boyfriend to break them up. So for Mystique to suddenly be a good mom who loves him sincerely is nonsense.
7:18 You're one of the only comicbook reviewers I've seen who wasn't annoyed that Nightcrawler was holding a grudge against his new biological parents.
Also the excuse Mystique used about Margali Szardos keeping Nightcrawler hidden from them if they had tried looking for him ?
It falls flat the second you remember Nightcrawler was a famous circus acrobat known around Europe and who had his real face on posters around every town it travelled to. It falls more flat when Nightcrawler was allowed by his kind adoptive mother to have friends outside the circus who knew what he actually looked like. Nightcrawler's childhood human friend even found him randomly during one of his out of town travels by accident (and had him he meet his young son).
Also Claremont using Nightcrawler and Mystique's first meeting (7:18) which was during DoFP, a story where Mystique and Destiny created a dystopian future with most of mutantkind dead including Nightcrawler (one of the firdt mutants to go out) is the cherry on this joke of a mini story.
7:17 I agree their situation was forced and weird. Very out of touch with how Mystique knows about their situation in AoA.
7:18 This would have been so much better if Si Spurrier remembered this about them when he showed Nightcrawler's hot fantasies about Rogue in LoX#2 and had her be older than him in his badly written one-shot.
Rogue was never older than Kurt. It makes me a bit sick that Spurrier quite clearly did not gaf about Rogue as a character but was happy to retcon anything about her just to make her a plaything for his Nightcrawler storyline
Krakoa was too forgettable. I need to remind myself of everything that happened so I care about what happened. So much of it could have been trimmed down to only the good stuff.
There was some good stuff there in the beginning, but then every book became oh reason why the island was a bad idea or that self proposed isolation is a bad thing. I always thought it was good for the story of mutants, but then the rest of the world would have to change and none of the other books want to do that because Marvel is in this weird timeline where we always keep going to the past because we can’t go into the future.
@@Livingmemoryofthexmen Marvel needs to maintain the status quo no matter what. There is almost no such thing as the future for them. Remember one more day?
@@nemostrangesonginthedirt8448 but every future timeline is supposed to be dystopian? That says that they are afraid of the future because god forbid they take a stance that is later revealed to be wrong…. Nobody wants to be wrong nowadays
The way they do a fanfiction picnic as if this makes it all better. Some readers clearly arent here for the storyline. But I'm not one of those people. For me the storyline matters. It's lame to see all these characters be mischaracterized and mishandled for no good reason at all. Some use the excuse that Marvel do retcons all the time. But this extreme that people are getting completely mischaracterized? I'm not here for it. Bring Chuck Austen back.
I’m with you, he came up with a story that people may be pissed off about but really it makes a lot more sense than this hogwash they give us do they think they’re going to LGBT community and that’s really weird
@@Livingmemoryofthexmen It does not serve the lgbt community at all. Maybe some only read for explicit scenes. I'm here for the actual people and to see a gay couple become so toxic towards eachother because they had to be mischaracterized for this retcon to "work" sucks
@@romy_edits this is the agenda of the marvel office. They want to hit everybody because they know the comic books don’t sell anymore…. SMH
@@Livingmemoryofthexmen And Chris Claremont just wants to flip the finger at Chuck Austen. He went as far as ruining his own characters to do it but there you go. He sucks.
@@romy_edits I will give all the respect to the work that he’s put in, but his attitude towards other writers is very atrocious. Part of me is curious what he would do with the X-Men now it’s a more of a curiosity just like I would love to see what Hickman would’ve done, had he been able to do everything he wanted or what would happen with Scott Lobdell.
I hate the black and gray hairstyle. His younger clone ( Joseph) has silver hair. So it makes no sense why this younger version has Black and silver.