Jim Simons: A Short Story of My Life and Mathematics (2022)

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  • čas přidán 25. 09. 2022
  • Watch mathematician, hedge fund manager and philanthropist Jim Simons give a short story of his life and mathematics. This talk was held at an event during the 2022 Abel Prize week, where multiple Abel Laureates as well as other high profile mathematicians spoke to young mathematicians.
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  • @64podcast
    @64podcast Před 21 dnem +47

    Rest in peace Jim Simons, thank you for your contributions to science and mathematics

  • @aayushdave1448
    @aayushdave1448 Před 28 dny +49

    Rest in peace ❤. To a great man 🥂

  • @rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros9266

    Such a bummer no one asked any question. Such a wasted opportunity given his vast knowledge on many fields!

    • @differentbreed2962
      @differentbreed2962 Před rokem +65

      I don’t think they realise how prestigious this guy is

    • @vhhfxmmvc-lq3cb
      @vhhfxmmvc-lq3cb Před 11 měsíci +74

      They‘re too scared of asking dumb questions

    • @rydercarter7035
      @rydercarter7035 Před 8 měsíci +9

      Well, someone did ask a question in the end.

    • @namanpandey6160
      @namanpandey6160 Před 8 měsíci

      ​@@rydercarter7035and by that last one i gain tremendous amount of knowledge!!!

    • @Shivjikadas
      @Shivjikadas Před 7 měsíci +12

      They were too dumb to know his knowledge

  • @jonassteinberg3779
    @jonassteinberg3779 Před 6 měsíci +88

    I'm extremely impressed with how well he knew his audience -- he kept things very down to earth and never got caught up in his accolades and yet articulated them all -- wow!

  • @andreasklippinge9665
    @andreasklippinge9665 Před rokem +143

    at 11:30, the physicist full name is Edward Witten and are one of the godfathers of string theory - also considered to be one of the greatest minds of this generation. pretty cool to have a guy like that reading your paper and thinking your thesis could apply to his work.
    also - thanks for this. Love Jim and really impressed with what he's accomplished.

    • @BOBMAN1980
      @BOBMAN1980 Před rokem +5

      Thanks for info. Simons and Witten are the two intellectuals I've been trying to learn more about, lately, but I didn't know that they were 'linked' until reading your comment.
      Good to know!

    • @jonassteinberg3779
      @jonassteinberg3779 Před 6 měsíci

      thanks for the insight!

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    @Raymondcraw1967RaymondCrawley Před 2 měsíci +318

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      @FaithAndrada-xo9ou Před 2 měsíci

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      @AndersonFair-cy2bb Před 2 měsíci

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      @BrewerVera Před 2 měsíci

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  • @solomonkane1999
    @solomonkane1999 Před 7 měsíci +41

    One of the RICHEST most INTELLIGENT men in the world in front of you and no one has questions?! 🤦🏻‍♂️

  • @jonassteinberg3779
    @jonassteinberg3779 Před 6 měsíci +36

    a humble exposition of an absolutely bonkers life story. impressive and touching!

  • @hassanazad5876
    @hassanazad5876 Před rokem +142

    Absolutely wonderful. It is very common these days for a mathematician to be asked to relate his mathematics to the 'real' world. Simons story is the perfect answer to that.

    • @snehalpophale6287
      @snehalpophale6287 Před rokem

      I tell them list is infinite!!

    • @hassanazad5876
      @hassanazad5876 Před rokem

      @@tiagomoraes1510 I meant Chern-Simons invariants.

    • @SgtInsomnia
      @SgtInsomnia Před měsícem

      Quote and unquote real? You don't think there is a reality?

  • @777jones
    @777jones Před rokem +171

    Make sure you watch other interviews with Jim. He is an unpretentious and plainspoken delight. So many people put on airs and talk in fancy ways to try to seem impressive. Few were as smart or as rich as Jim. Think about that. Thanks.

    • @differentbreed2962
      @differentbreed2962 Před rokem +1

      He’s like many other hyper successful people. Had a passion and talent, worked hard and the money came as a result. The people focus on making money alone seem to be the ones who act as if they’re the 10x better than everyone

    • @Felipe_Ribeir0
      @Felipe_Ribeir0 Před 6 měsíci +1

      By few you are being very generous 😂

  • @bgill7475
    @bgill7475 Před rokem +123

    Jim is an amazing man, thanks for this.

    • @victorblaer
      @victorblaer Před rokem

      Amazing talent, for sure. Some suspect they discovered machine learning (statistical learning) before anyone else.
      But let's not also forget that he maliciously hid billions of dollars offshore in order to evade taxes, that would have otherwise gone towards the collective betterment of society.
      "Confidential legal files from 2010 show lawyers and advisers for Simons worked to protect him and his children from “particularly severe” US tax bills that would be triggered if they tried to bring the funds onshore. Bermuda imposes no taxes on profits or income.
      The Simons trust was revealed in the Paradise Papers, millions of leaked offshore files reviewed by the Guardian, the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (ICIJ) and others. The files give a rare glimpse inside trusts used by the super-rich to ensure confidentiality and minimal regulation."
      Sources:
      International Consortium of Investigative Journalists
      www.icij.org/investigations/paradise-papers/secret-world-offshore-mega-trusts/
      The Paradise Papers
      www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/07/democratic-donor-james-simons-private-wealth-fund-tax-haven-paradise-papers

  • @RYN988
    @RYN988 Před rokem +17

    Remarkable man. I love his down to earth demeanor.

  • @user-yt2lc8jw6p
    @user-yt2lc8jw6p Před rokem +50

    Wonderful story in a candid manner. Felt his intelligent power. Thanks.

  • @imid-ltd
    @imid-ltd Před rokem +4

    Thank you for your brave share Jim. I too was able to identify flaws from within the context of my work, and it's a good thing we live in a Country where we are protected from our own disclosures.

  • @MsMonicaP-ch4tx
    @MsMonicaP-ch4tx Před 2 měsíci +7

    He exerted himself the maximum and the kids sat completely lost. What a waste. He should have an older audience. What a humble wonderful person, who keeps the focus on math , not money.

  • @NoNTr1v1aL
    @NoNTr1v1aL Před rokem +5

    Absolutely amazing video!

  • @placebo64
    @placebo64 Před 8 měsíci +3

    Such a delight to hear your amazing career story, sir. Kudos for everything you have achieved, you are a true value producer.

  • @haoli5727
    @haoli5727 Před rokem +13

    inspring! Thanks Simon and Marilyn for supporting science research!

  • @sunofgod480
    @sunofgod480 Před rokem +21

    Amazing these young people had no questions for this amazing man. I have a million questions I would like to ask him. The talk bored them and went totally over their heads with the focus on math rather than money. What a missed opportunity.

  • @migfed
    @migfed Před rokem +18

    I was so pleased watching his speech.

  • @nithinmathew2472
    @nithinmathew2472 Před 28 dny +5

    Rest in peace Sir.

  • @ectorSpencer
    @ectorSpencer Před 27 dny +1

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  • @helioliskfire5954
    @helioliskfire5954 Před rokem +8

    His style has something of the aesthetic of math. Understated. Here he seems to be understating his achievements. On my part, to great effect.

  • @atillayurtseven4125
    @atillayurtseven4125 Před 28 dny +21

    RIP The Quant King

  • @vladav313
    @vladav313 Před rokem +58

    It's been ALL outliers for him. His professional life has been such a massive outlier in his success at generating returns while his personal life has been a tremendous negative outlier with him losing BOTh of his sons in freak accidents at very young ages, one at 34 was killed riding a bicycle and the second one died at 24 from drowning.

    • @sanesanyo
      @sanesanyo Před 11 měsíci +3

      I didn't know that. That is really unfortunate. Must be very burdensome for him and his wife 😢.

    • @Cyrus0w
      @Cyrus0w Před 7 měsíci

      Thanks for sharing. I'd love to learn more about the subjects he loves

    • @highviewbarbell
      @highviewbarbell Před 7 měsíci +2

      ​@@Cyrus0wMichael Spivak wrote a 5 Volume Set on Differential Geometry which has some of the most beautiful math prose writing and LaTeX typesetting that I've ever seen, and I mean that. I literally declared a math double major when I saw it because I just must understand it.

    • @Cyrus0w
      @Cyrus0w Před 7 měsíci

      @@highviewbarbell thank you! I’ll check that out

    • @xxxs8309
      @xxxs8309 Před 2 měsíci

      Wow i didn't know that

  • @ronaldr.gutierrez5218
    @ronaldr.gutierrez5218 Před rokem +2

    Such a great speach!

  • @NVSTx
    @NVSTx Před rokem +74

    This man is brilliant, the knowledge that is needed to even understand what he says is insane, we’ve tried to break it down in our video, hopefully it will give you a better view of how you can learn and do exactly like Jim

    • @finbuster2030
      @finbuster2030 Před rokem

      Wheres the link video

    • @NVSTx
      @NVSTx Před rokem

      @@finbuster2030 czcams.com/video/iIa9DLEo1nw/video.html

  • @drbonesshow1
    @drbonesshow1 Před rokem +4

    The best part of this guy is that he likes to ask questions.

  • @gunningju6107
    @gunningju6107 Před rokem +23

    Jim is a great mathematician and investor too...

  • @joeym9169
    @joeym9169 Před rokem +4

    I love this story

  • @athanasiospapoutsis9978
    @athanasiospapoutsis9978 Před rokem +1

    Brilliant man!

  • @DougMayhew-ds3ug
    @DougMayhew-ds3ug Před 5 měsíci +2

    I just ran into the theory mentioned, but haven’t unfolded it just yet. The minimum surfaces thing reminds us that least action is always just around the corner no matter where you are working within the hierarchy of natural phenomena and principles.
    The soap bubble demonstration he mentioned is quite stunning for the uninitiated, this realization that there is an ordering preference or bias, already baked into our universe, and reappears at every turn.
    Stuck in a model? Look for least action, it’s like taking an aspirin for a headache. I wonder now where it resides within this theory of his.

  • @mattmiller220
    @mattmiller220 Před 2 měsíci +3

    Would love to sit and chat with Jim. Has done such amazing things for the field of mathematics.

  • @madhusudhank4033
    @madhusudhank4033 Před rokem +1

    Jim sir we greatful to u

  • @tushardas2312
    @tushardas2312 Před rokem

    Inspiration with motivation

  • @Mike-gd2fv
    @Mike-gd2fv Před rokem +1

    What an Amazing guy!

  • @EMan-cu5zo
    @EMan-cu5zo Před 8 měsíci +5

    Wish I had a fraction of knowledge of numbers as this man.

  • @29ibrahimsayed95
    @29ibrahimsayed95 Před rokem +1

    the last question was so wholesome

  • @diptyprakashswain1121
    @diptyprakashswain1121 Před rokem +1

    Spectacular 😃

  • @tushardas2312
    @tushardas2312 Před rokem +1

    Congratulation for having a Wonderful Hedge Fund Company

  • @Mike-gd2fv
    @Mike-gd2fv Před rokem +5

    The fact that they didn't have any questions makes me mad. I wish I was there.

  • @bluegtturbo
    @bluegtturbo Před rokem

    Very impressive.!

  • @user-hb2ku5oq5r
    @user-hb2ku5oq5r Před 21 dnem

    Beautiful story of life¡¡

  • @SamiSterle
    @SamiSterle Před 26 dny

    Your tips help me avoid mistakes in trading. Thanks for your valuable help!

  • @bma1955alimarber
    @bma1955alimarber Před rokem

    Wonderful person and wonderful short and very interesting story! Thank you very much dear Professor and for CZcams

  • @mandeepsahni2279
    @mandeepsahni2279 Před rokem

    It's really a amazing vdo. ❤

  • @psibarpsi
    @psibarpsi Před 29 dny +1

    RIP legend.

  • @juaneliasmillasvera
    @juaneliasmillasvera Před rokem +16

    I was used to do the same thing doubling the 2 when I was 8 years old. Next step is 2048, but by this time you of course know it =). The fact is I am 28 years old now I could not addapt to traditional education in my country (Spain) so I didn't go to any university... but I am still learning and publishing modestly by my way. I am still interested in numbers (even the number 2) but things become harder when you try to rise and rise powers in some function... I am very interested in some called tetration (next step to power in operator algebras). I you telling this here becouse some days ago I had a revelation... If I follow the criteria of solve towers of numbers from "top to celling" like Eulers did to solve Fermat Prime Conjecture, instead of my own criteria of solving the towers from "celling to top", my work in "exponentory" (functional operator for serial exponent) and my work in tetration properties are wrong, I had never in my life an identical reality shock... I comment it here becouse maeby some of the audience of this video can understand me in some way. Anyway, thanks to Simons to sharing his experience.

    • @bma1955alimarber
      @bma1955alimarber Před rokem

      What did you mean by traditional education?

    • @juaneliasmillasvera
      @juaneliasmillasvera Před rokem +1

      @@bma1955alimarber By traditional education I mean the nowadays education system of Spain, must to learn advanced-like Linguistics in Spanish and English, History of Spain and History of Filosophy, Physics from XVIII and XIX century and other topics like choose between Technology classes or Biology classes before you can go to University in any scientific area. It is totally absurd how outdated the middle-high education in my country is... The fact is everybody knows that but the young people think: "Well just 2 o 3 bad years and then I will study interesting things", but in my case I could not accept that, and just become self-taught.

  • @user-jd9mr1lf5j
    @user-jd9mr1lf5j Před 27 dny

    R.I.P. He is so smart and amazing!!!!!❤

  • @mehmedkhan.6198
    @mehmedkhan.6198 Před rokem +8

    I'm an upcoming mathematician,physicist and intellectual simon trust me one day i'll turn the world upside down with my great achievements...i'm proud of you jimmy.

    • @tonys9413
      @tonys9413 Před rokem

      You’re also an idiot …… and this is coming from a Mathematician and a scientist much older and experienced than you.

    • @podcast4516
      @podcast4516 Před 11 měsíci +4

      Brother we wish you all the best but for God sake don’t turn the world upside down,you can be successful without turning us upside down 😅

    • @julianblacksmith8539
      @julianblacksmith8539 Před 9 měsíci +1

      Ur username suggests ur a Muslim, Never forget your beginnings or your GOD.

    • @mehmedkhan.6198
      @mehmedkhan.6198 Před 9 měsíci

      @@podcast4516 i feel you bro🤜🤛.

  • @Deepakadhikari640
    @Deepakadhikari640 Před rokem +1

    Very nice speech my god

  • @DragonLong-vs3zf
    @DragonLong-vs3zf Před 21 dnem

    Always memories the man who devoted himself into maths.

  • @shaalpha9537
    @shaalpha9537 Před 20 dny

    RIP,he was the true legend. both in pure math and real money, and supporting for the future sciences. RIP

  • @viktoro.ledenyov5829
    @viktoro.ledenyov5829 Před 2 měsíci

    Super!!!📖📖📖

  • @AlgoNudger
    @AlgoNudger Před rokem +103

    I did a lot of math.
    I made a lot of money.
    And I gave almost all of it away.
    So deep and sarcastic! 🤣🤣🤣

    • @No_BS_policy
      @No_BS_policy Před rokem +29

      That wasn't sarcastic. Huge bulk of his fortune he made from trading has been dedicated to his charitable foundations. He's been giving his money away through his foundations with his wonderful wife.

    • @AlgoNudger
      @AlgoNudger Před rokem +4

      @@No_BS_policy Cmon, Man.
      u didnt even get it, you r a very serious one. 😂

    • @No_BS_policy
      @No_BS_policy Před rokem +23

      @@AlgoNudger no. Jim was dead serious about 'giving all of it away'. He didn't mean he turned his gains to losses by giving them away back to the markets like what most inexperienced traders do. This guy and his wife have been operating a charitable institution where they've been pouring billions to advance scientific causes. He wasn't sarcastic. You mistook what he tried to convey.

    • @DsDs-nu7nw
      @DsDs-nu7nw Před rokem +6

      @@No_BS_policy he thinks he is genius just because youtube lets him name himself "algorithm manipulator". 😂😂

    • @snehalpophale6287
      @snehalpophale6287 Před rokem

      The shortest and interesting story ever.

  • @user-pk5jn9ff5c
    @user-pk5jn9ff5c Před měsícem

    Эпичный занос!!! Никогда не видел ничего такого)) надеюсь когда-нибудь я тоже смогу поднимать так.

  • @lawrencestoke
    @lawrencestoke Před rokem +21

    Great talk! Wish the audience had asked a few good questions about the future of investment, the relationship between politics and business or even sustainable global economic development

  • @gmshadowtraders
    @gmshadowtraders Před rokem +1

    LEGEND

  • @MarkMusu92
    @MarkMusu92 Před 21 dnem +1

    Rest in peace ❤

  • @user-uo4db4st8n
    @user-uo4db4st8n Před 4 hodinami

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  • @mateuszkor6609
    @mateuszkor6609 Před 9 měsíci +1

    What is the function mentioned at 10:40?

  • @NVofus
    @NVofus Před 4 měsíci +1

    WOW! WHAT A LIFE! I ONLY WISH I FULLY UNDERSTOOD WHAT THE HECK HE WAS TALKING ABOUT.

  • @kleawoll7056
    @kleawoll7056 Před 4 dny

    Rest in peace, bro.

  • @ksriram1978
    @ksriram1978 Před rokem +10

    Nice, short talk. However, to know more about the man, it might be just worth reading "The man who solved the market" by Greg Zuckerman.

  • @priceactionturkey
    @priceactionturkey Před 6 měsíci

    what kind a dimension he build ? any picture of that ?

  • @user-wr4yl7tx3w
    @user-wr4yl7tx3w Před rokem +1

    Investing in science is investing in our future.

  • @fractales100
    @fractales100 Před 27 dny

    RIP thanks for everything

  • @huruhooroo
    @huruhooroo Před 19 dny

    His passing gives another dimension to his life. There are multiple dimensions of life, and certain things should work the same way in all dimensions. So my belated question to him would be "Can the multiple dimension theory be applied to living things?"

  • @DedSec44
    @DedSec44 Před rokem +3

    Life and Math

  • @raymondhall9901
    @raymondhall9901 Před 3 měsíci

    I did Further Calculus & Analytical Geometry. This Differential Geometry no I did not. however this was way back into time (1989-90)and really never applied it

  • @muhendiseksper7026
    @muhendiseksper7026 Před měsícem

    Did not talk about the "win theory of investment" and how and what is the secret of win ?

  • @billbutler8542
    @billbutler8542 Před rokem

    I wish I could learn from you

  • @Personalfinance_10174
    @Personalfinance_10174 Před 9 měsíci

    Movie idea: crossed paths, divergent destines: the unabomber and jim (probably not quite crossed paths at berkeley but seemingly very similar minds).

  • @alltogetherplaytubefingerf6045

    Lacks in specifics and detail. Still, thank you for taking the time and courtesy the shareing this.

  • @chiawildy563
    @chiawildy563 Před rokem +1

    He has an odd habit of not wearing socks. But, he has a great personality.

  • @DEVRAJSINGHFX
    @DEVRAJSINGHFX Před 29 dny

    Rip Sir 😫❤

  • @DavidDeanBretton
    @DavidDeanBretton Před 3 měsíci +2

    informative

  • @user-dm2id9oq3q
    @user-dm2id9oq3q Před 9 měsíci +2

    If there were a Nobel for Quant Trading, Jim would be the first to win it.

  • @tonynunez6539
    @tonynunez6539 Před 5 měsíci

    Would like to know what his equations or algorithm solved and how he solved the stock market and was able to average over 66% over 31 years. Might be a good question.

  • @juewang9642
    @juewang9642 Před 11 měsíci +3

    Just read Zuckerman’s book about him, very impressive.

    • @bharatchitnavis9592
      @bharatchitnavis9592 Před 17 dny

      RIP Jim Simons.
      Yes, read the book.
      The Man Who Solved the Market - How Jim Simons Launched the Quant Revolution by Gregory Zuckerman

  • @real-gamer-Emma
    @real-gamer-Emma Před 5 dny

    How did he connect his theories with investing? I would have so many questions for this guy

  • @xxxs8309
    @xxxs8309 Před 2 měsíci

    What a genius

  • @alphaTrader.oo1
    @alphaTrader.oo1 Před 7 měsíci

    He should be a caring person
    as keep asking if anyone not understand what he said

  • @archangecamilien1879
    @archangecamilien1879 Před rokem

    The guy from Frost vs Nixon and The Trial of the Chicago 7, lol, Frank Langella, could play him...

  • @ronnyrichter4549
    @ronnyrichter4549 Před 13 dny

    RIP legend

  • @camellkachour4112
    @camellkachour4112 Před rokem +36

    I tried to contact the foundation of Jim and Marylin Simons in 2017 because I knew they were interested in Mathematics and its relation with Asperger persons. Myself I am mathematician with AS, but I was not funded for my research in mathematics, I have done research in maths during 20 years without almost any money ! When I contacted this foundation unfortunately they didn't help me. My frustration was to not be able to contact Jim or Marylin directly. I am sure that if I had the chance to explain to them directly my work and my situation, they could have helped me. The problem of this kind of foundation is this multitude of people who are like a barrier between the people who really need help in accordance with the aim of this foundation and the real help provided by the Foundation.

  • @harshthakkar3822
    @harshthakkar3822 Před 29 dny

    RIP King ❤

  • @momenwasir2196
    @momenwasir2196 Před 26 dny +1

    Coming random to this video and he dead 3 days ago 💔 10.05.2024. Rip legend

  • @vishalpatil6914
    @vishalpatil6914 Před 15 dny

    🙏

  • @mquant001
    @mquant001 Před 25 dny

    RIP Master

  • @wealthDan
    @wealthDan Před 27 dny

    Rich Enough. RIP SIR

  • @samuelvidal3437
    @samuelvidal3437 Před rokem

    My idol

  • @stayhappy1167
    @stayhappy1167 Před 10 měsíci

    Living legend should get nobel prize for his tremendous work in mathematics

  • @143J0KER143
    @143J0KER143 Před 27 dny

    R.I.P. the QUANT KING

  • @publiusrunesteffensen5276

    "Rich enough"

  • @prashantchaturvedi8146
    @prashantchaturvedi8146 Před rokem +5

    Why no questions ? Remarkable story

    • @techworld3043
      @techworld3043 Před rokem

      yeah, you are right, i wanted to know about more hedge fund stuff.

  • @polymathx_
    @polymathx_ Před rokem +2

    In short: He is CHAD

  • @frederico_flores
    @frederico_flores Před rokem +4

    question: Mr Simon give us your trade bot souce code si vouz plait

  • @shephusted2714
    @shephusted2714 Před rokem +4

    what is so remarkable is the degrees of standard deviations from the norm his algos exhibited

  • @estevannascimento2060
    @estevannascimento2060 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Great video, thank you! I would just like to add that a Brazilian called Hindemburg Melão Jr. has devised an automatic investment system called Saturn V (L4Σ version), which last year outperformed the Medallion Fund. The results were verified and authenticated by one of the 4 largest auditing firms in the world.
    He (Hindemburg) has also improved the work of 5 Nobel Laureates in Economics. Cheers!

    • @Roberto_Reefer
      @Roberto_Reefer Před 17 dny

      Saturno V nem é autorizado pela CVM.....auditado por quem ? Quantos bilhões o saturno v tem de patrimônio para podermos ter uma comparação com o Medallion ?