Is It Time For Baker Mayfield & Browns To Both Move On? | Pat McAfee Reacts
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- Do you think we saw the end of Baker Mayfield's time with the Browns?
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So with a QB who’s obviously hurt and the #2 RB in the league.. you decide not to run the ball... and leave a rookie Tackle solo against the front runner for DPOY... how did Stefanski think that was gonna be a winning strategy??
He threw the game it’s obvious. Definitely for the draft, but also possibly for money if you wanna get cynical
oh you forgot to mention the rookie tackle was a backup aswell
He didn't think that was a winning strat... did you watch the video?
Chubb is #2 of the non-injured RBs
Don’t care what you say if you watched that game it seemed like baker was the only one trying even with him being sacked 10 times
It's honestly just sad... Baker came in hot for the Browns for his freshman year, then had a mess of a sophmore year. Then things became right again in his third year and you were hoping to see that in this season and it probably would've happened but everything just collapsed
haven’t they had a carousel of offensive coordinators? Ik I’ve never been impressed or heard anyone say they were impressed with the playcalling there. Saw a youtube video by the QB School channel breaking down how poorly designed the route schemes were when they had OBJ and Landry and why just the route combinations prevented them from being open often
Solid Offensive Line? Not what I saw last night...
@@phillipalexander7862 even when they were open tho baker would miss obj completely wide open. There was a video of obj’s dad analyzing baker’s throws and my god he is abysmal lmao
@@phillipalexander7862 playcalling is not the best with the browns but justin herbert put on the best rookie qb season ever with a terrible coach in anthony lynn and the worst rated o-line in the league. Many young qbs continue to excel despite their team’s mishaps. Burrow, herbert, lamar, etc. baker is just bad/avg
He had the moments where you thought he was going to prove the majority wrong.
Glad you guys mentioned the obvious. This team is a mess and refused to run the ball what feels like all year with a solid o line and great backfield
A lot of their pro bowl/all pro line was hurt most of the year.
Baker fan boy spotted
Blame Stefanski, the absolute worst play caller in football.
Dang. I didn’t realize you could be third in rushing yards on a team that doesn’t run the ball all year
@@Jamesballsworth second to Nagy at least
Let’s not forget it only took the browns 40 years to get their hands on an average QB.
Excuse me. It's been only 29 years.
27 top 10 picks layer
Browns have only existed for, what, 22 yrs now? Anything before that is the old Browns -> Ravens
@@BHox01 yeah, I'm going back to the early 90s fore Bernie dropped off
My, my ex-Panthers backup Derick Anderson was average.
i remember when the brahns went 8-8, then got odell and became super bowl favorites. what a roller coster of emotions dahn in cleveland’s
They went 7-8-1 in 2018 not 8-8
@@scoth2200 shhh not losing is a win for the browns in their book
Yous right
@Soflo Sports you seem like a fun guy
@Soflo Sports Hey bro i’d be an ass in some youtube comments too if i was a dolphins fan. No worries
As a Browns fan, I agree with all of this. It feels like coach changes his game plan drastically every week. One week it’s like 50 carries the next 10. It’s so annoying to watch
All season long going for it on 4th and short rather than taking a field goal on the 1st half. Different mindset I guess, but I think early in the game you should always take the points rather than get nothing because you don't know how the second half is going to play out.
Chubb's season high on the year was 23 on the game Stefanski didn't coach. Last year he had 190 carries for an average of 15.8 something carries a game. In 4 years his career high is 28, not a single coach we've had has let him run 30 let alone 50.............................. Freddie Kitchens utilized Chubb (298 carries in 16 games) better than Stefanski, let that sink in!
An injured QB and no movement of pocket or chipping of 90. There’s no question this was intended to expose BM. If it wasn’t, it’s gross incompetence
Could be Pittsburgh told them to throw the game or else face brimstone and fire for ruining Ben’s farewell tour. They were passing even after Harris’s house call.
Agreed, I think on at least one sack TJ was 1v1 with an RB… like what are you even doing as a team at that point
@@TehKaiser they still gotta play in Baltimore for his last game. You know the ravens will try their hardest to send him home with a L
I’m a Steelers fan but Baker’s play dropped ever since he’s been hurt. He needs to be at 100% to play w/his natural limitations. Let him get healthy & see if he can be a drop drop back passer who can throw with anticipation.
nah, it takes him 5 seconds to wind up for a 15 yard throw
The Browns might have forgotten what things were like before he got there, but there are at least 10 teams in the NFL who would take him tomorrow
Name 5
Shiiiiid
U spelled XFL wrong 😂
Giants, Texans, Panthers, Lions, WFT. Tack on Saints, Steelers, Falcons, Broncos after this year.
@@goated_irl6239 panthers have no QB, Washington has no QB, Bears have no QB(unless Justin fields develops and pans out), Giants have no QB(we can all agree that Daniel jones sucks), broncos have no QB(drew lock and teddy bridgewater are done in Denver) and Texans have no QB(unless for some odd reason, Deshaun Watson decides to rejoin them)
Stefanski was the biggest problem for the Browns this year. It was bizarre that they allowed Baker to keep playing poorly through injury, and then seemed to make him throw even more. Chubb was tearing apart defenses and they rarely ran the ball in crucial moments. I don't get the angle but it obviously didn't work.
Bizarre indeed! And I fear it's heading into a full-blown fiasco! Coming from a guy that had to learn to like Mayfield, I feel the Browns hung Baker out-to-dry this season.
@@KYSOKYSO Baker will more than likely end up as the Browns franchise QB so why brutalize him all season and potentially jeopardize his long-term health? Maybe Stefanski wants him out of Cleveland. It felt like a message was being sent by Stefanski that he wants to move on from Baker or see if he can play with one arm.
Yeah it’s almost like they were already eliminated from playoff contention and didn’t want to risk injuring their most important player…. Just a thought
As a Colts fan, I feel the pain. Seems like our similar situation sort of. Taylor needs more carries in a game then what he should have. Just like Chubb. Our coach gets in the way of that sometimes.
@@dropzone3078 ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh the difference is Reich truly believes in Wentz ability and rightfully so Carson is a pretty good QB and if the Colts had a better receiver corps he would be even better. Reich has also been pretty run focused the second half of the season the Bucs game is the exception but if you watch that game he was trying to feed jt early and it wasnt working and the second half was just kinda weird with TOP and stuff and then he had that great drive to almost win it for us. Stefanski looks like he straight up doesnt like Baker and is trying to end his career or expose him so the browns drop him, Im sure part of it is also lowkey saving Chubb for the future considering the playoffs werent happening already only thing is if thats the case baker and myles etc shouldnt have been playing either
A. Rodgers is NOT going to Cleveland lol No way in hell!
not a bad offense of line just saying
Why not? If Aaron Rodgers goes to cleveland and wins a super bowl, thatd be one of the greatest achievements in sports history
@@craciunator99 he’s staying in Green Bay most likely and I doubt he’d go to the browns with the receivers they currently have and the coaching staff as it is
Still the best quarterback the Browns have had.
Otto Graham
@@jroc6354 i think he means in the last 30 years lol
Doesn't mean they have to settle for him. That's loser mentality.
@@QJD1381 Well it's not like QB's a lining up at the Brown's door.
And that’s what makes it so sad, that baker mayfield is the best they can do when it comes to qbs lol
You do remember how bad the Browns were before Mayfield, right? 4 wins in 3 years.
That was before Stefanski. They are winning in spite of baker. Not b/c of him.
@@RiverJunkie If you arent dumb asf, you could put together that healthy Baker leads to top 5 offense, 11 wins, and a near afc champ appearance, and unhealthy Baker leads to bottom 5 offense, 7 wins. The only thing that changed? the defense got better
@@kja6336 you can’t keep harping on 1 season. Blake Bortles led a team to the afc championship game and should’ve won. Maybe he’s a 1 season wonder and that’s that
@@kja6336 hey since Browns are an AFC North rival i sure hope they stay with Baker 😂😂
@@RiverJunkie no
As a Browns fan, I can't disagree with the discussion held here. It will be another interesting off season for us Browns fans. Here is looking forward to, "As the Brownies Turn." That is what I'm going to start calling each season. After all, the Browns are my most favorite soap opera.
Here’s what I’ll say, once baker came in they actually started to win games. Whether it was him or not, he did what a lot of QB’s couldn’t do in Cleveland.
Been a fan for over 40 yrs..not since Kosar have we even been thought of in the playoffs.
21.5 sacks in 14 games not to mention he left 3 or 4 games from injury
if he had played all 16 fully I have no doubt he'd had the sack record already, I know we're still gonna hear people say that he still had an extra game despite not playing in all of them. If he doesn't get DPOY tho I don't know what the voters are looking at, he leads in sacks, QB hit and I think leads or is tied for TFL
@@beamerball666 just read 2 articles talking about how week 18 has multiple single season records about to be broken. Neither one said anything about his games played. Which it should.
After next week if plays full game hell have 15 games and leaving 3 early to injury and 2 other games he played sparingly due to injury.
That insane. Give my dude his credit! DPOY!
TJ Watt and the defensive line ended bakers time with the browns 😂😂😂😂😂😂. Watching that I was mad for baker. For god sake GIVE THE ROOKIE RT SOME HELP 🤬😂😂😂
Dude did everything he could but nobody’s could fix that mess of a team till ownership changes...just facts
Baker & Brees have a similar start to their career, both turned teams around/ injured going into contract years & parted ways. Not saying Baker gonna be as good as Brees by anymeans but it makes it a little more interesting to watch his situation
Baker is terrible at reading defense and leads the league over the last 4
Season in picks something Drew Bree’s doesn’t struggle with
To try comparing Mayfield to brees proves you know nothing about football. Good god, your kidding right?
If we get rid of baker then we will go straight to the dumps again and I’m not saying that he makes our team what it is but he brought and energy to Cleveland we have not had since before i was even watching football. This team is awesome they just need to break that damn wall down of being a consistent team
Browns would literally win the same number of games with Keenum starting. This team’s success has absolutely nothing to do with Baker at all. If anything he’s holding them back. Think I’m wrong? Well let me know how much longer he’s going to be the starter in Cleveland
@@asmith4549 this season yes but baker is a huge reason for the browns revival if he is injured he deserves another chance
@@sulesoricon2977 Hea not a huge reason for their revival. Nick Chubb and their running game, great o line, and coach of the year are the reasons. Baker only played well enough to not hold them back. To think that a QB is the main reason for a team with 22 men on the field is idiotic
you all will get Cousins this offseason
Stafanski is the problem. Not baker. Baker needs things mixed up he needs help in backfield. And when he is healthy and they mix it up it’s a winning combination.
How many sacks did tj have weekend before last against my Chiefs? ( Yes i know he is hurt, but didnt stop him last night) dude is a monster! I was quite shocked he didn't have an impact even with cracked ribs
They’re not your anything
@@patricklemire9278 you're cringe
Also, receivers not getting separation doesn't help either
@@patricklemire9278 they are the team i choose so yea pretty sure that is something 🤣🤣
@@Chet_24 cant argue!
2017 the Browns drafted Myles Garrett, Jabrill Peppers, and David Njoku in the first round. They could have drafted Mahomes or Watson and TJ Watt.
Njoku could be a stud on so many teams
Myles Garrett is the second best DE in the NFL only behind TJ Watt. He was the clear choice at 1. Literally everybody missed out on TJ. 29 teams passed on him.
@@scoth2200 Taking a DE 1st overall when you don’t have a franchise QB is never ever ever ever ever ever worth it. A DE can be taken out of games against good teams. Browns needed a QB that year. They actually drafted one in 2nd round that same year. Dashone Kizer ring a bell?
Myles Garrett certainly isn't a bust, and njoku has improved a ton. IMHO I think peppers is the only bust
Garett is the best player on that team. Along aith Chubb
I think baker ends up in Houston next year, regardless of the Watson situation. I can just see him going home to Texas, out of every qb needy team I think they be the one to pull the trigger on him.
Unfortunately, you might be right! He’s average at best! Matt Schaub is better than him. We’ll see though.
@@jessearias12 Matt Schaub before or after he became a pick six factory?
Chubb had a rib injury earlier in the game. Thats why he wasnt playing more.
Remember last year when Jalen Hurts got benched by Doug Pederson for Nathan Sudfield then fired bc the locker room was like WTF? Baker represents the blue collar city of Cleveland showing up to work no matter how injured he is, would be a shame if they get rid of him before we can see what he can do when he’s actually healthy. They haven’t had a QB since Bernie Kosar. QBs don’t grow on trees
He just did not say Mike Glennon 😂😂😂😂😂. I’m a Giants fan and love it!!!
I’m crying 😂😂😂😂
Baker can win Cleveland a Super Bowl. Dude is a decent QB even with debilitating injuries and played through them until the team forced him to get surgery.
Absolute mistake to part ways with Cleveland, but it's in line with history to let a title get away from them because of public opinion.
Browns have really shown that they don't care about baker. I hope he goes somewhere he's appreciated and make the browns regret ever letting him go.
Hes not good enough for them to regret letting him go.
@@biggeneral1628 and who do they have to replace him? QB Draft class sucks and so does free agency and I doubt they'll trade a high pick for another QB. They get rid of Baker it'll set them back another 3-5 years.
@@HH-le1vi I don't have an answer to who would replace him but we've seen enough of Baker at this point to know he's not that guy
TJ Watt should be arrested for assault and battery after that game.. 🤣🤣🤣
This is why I love this show- the fact you mentioned mike Glennon 😂
Leaving Cleveland would be the best thing for any quarterback.
At least Baker is insured with Progressive for any damages or injury.
If the Browns cut him, who will they get to lease the stadium?
First of all, I don't have a dog in this fight, I am a 49ers fan, but if I may share my unimportant opinion...Baker is the best Browns quarterback since Bernie Kozar, I put this on ownership/management. Usually, that's the case when you have a team consistently having a losing season, and/or miss the playoffs. Trust me, I know a little about this.
"If you lose your fo'show $$, looking fo mo $$, you might have NO $$." P-Mac
Best quote of the entire year!!!
Baker would be a great fit for the New Orleans Saints next year.
As a backup.
Saints broncos dolphins
Give us Jameis Winston back. With what he had receiving wise and what he did after not starting for over a year I was incredibly impressed. I just want to see him for a full season in the black and gold and I think he can crack the top 10.
Jameis Winston is brtter than bajer mayfield
There was one point last night where TJ looked like Pennywise when he ran down the hall way shaking and I couldn't stop laughing at the fear in Bakers eyes 😂
3:39 Pat’s really out here making Old Town Road references in 2022
Tj watt = that water boy anger. Do yourself a favor and make the Adam Sandler, water boy “war cry” every time he goes in for rush 😭 I love it.
If bake leaves he will haunt the Browns for the rest of his career
He’s been haunting them now and he hasnt even left yet
It’s time for the browns to move on from the NFL.
Broncos, Texans, Saints, Bears, Carolina, Giants ... etc
The kid from the Christmas story was accurate AF 😂😂😂
As a Ravens fan i cant beleive the browns figured a way to not even make the playoffs this year with that much talent
Is it really that suprising?!?! There the browns after all
Facts man. People were picking the Browns for the Super Bowl off of their talent alone in the off season. I’m not going to act like injuries didn’t play a role but a team like that should at least make the playoffs.
10:56 "If you lose your fo' sho' money looking fo' mo' money, you might end up with no money."
_-says Pat McAfee that retired early to start a career on the internet_
Love you Pat, but lol
Dude just inked a deal for quarterback money so it obviously worked
Shout out Devin the Dude! Fa Sho
Baker gets sacked 4 times by one guy and instead of questioning the coaching and the o-line it must be bakers fault
Well his lack of pocket awareness is an issue
Da Cleveland Clawns lol
It says the Browns may take one of the 2 top QBs if they fall to them though I don't think they would make a Bears move for one of them, maybe a 2nd to move up. They may want to convince the owner and fans this is not Love in GB and he does not want static from fans or veto from ownership if it happens. If they don't have a move on QB when he is gone, they might as well blow up the team to get a top 10 pick. I would like to see them deal with a $40M cap hit from a big QB, I think they would have a hard time preforming at even their current level with the cuts they would have to make. GB or Seattle had several years not signing free agents to get where they are, you drop that on a team not prepared there are cuts, dead cap, more cuts.
Browns are going into the offseason with $35M, and with contracts that can be dealt to leave some room, it's definitely possible. I personally thing that Derek Carr would be the best option for the Browns since he only has a $20M cap hit and is a very good QB, even with the depleted receiving core he has in Vegas.
Deshaun Watson?
@@brandon3892 nah the Texans are asking way too much
@@nohcav290 i say give them baker and hunt
@@brandon3892 I’d send baker and hooper if they’d take it. Maybe even throw in another player. When healthy, hunt and chubb both are insane together
it honestly kind of feels like the browns purposely were hanging baker out to dry, so to speak. they have the best interior o-line in the league and a top 5 running back yet constantly put baker in situations where you almost know he won't succeed. add on top of the injuries he's playing with. i'm not advocating that baker is anything more than average either, i'm more making the point that this is perhaps the most blatant example of the organization as a whole constantly ruining quarterbacks by putting them in situations where they cannot succeed. there is no reason chubb should not be getting at minimum 20 carries a game. it's very frustrating to watch as a fan bc you're essentially stuck with baker for at least another season, barring some crazy acquisition for watson or rodgers; trading for players like cousins or carr make no sense as that's at best a very minor upgrade. so why not put your team in the best position to compete and win by utilizing your strengths instead of trying to make baker into something he's not, or not yet. makes no sense to me other than to just sum it up as, it's cleveland.
I agree. Especially since he chose today to get his surgery was basically him saying we're done. The man got sacked so much last night it's like Cleveland doesn't care about him at all. He was set up to fail.
IMO Carr is a much better Qb than Baker, considering he was playing lights out in the beginning of the year and has been very consistent ever since, even with all the turmoil that has been happening in Vegas, Carr would probably be a great QB for the Browns.
F this team if they did that
Great comment good points here bro.
@Wong Kar-Chazelle you comprehend that on the double coverage, the corner is waiting to step up, its just a really bad throw. Bad throw, meh decision
Commentary on day 1 needed more of McCafé baybay in my Jericho voice
No one is gonna mention that Aj looks like the Na'vi from Avatar !
Baker was the 8th best QB in the league last year when fully healthy. He progressed all 3 years in the league before this year and always had a QBR over 50 on PFF. The idea of him "maybe" getting an opportunity is crazy. Sean Payton would gobble up Baker so fast in that dome with 3/4 WRs sets. New Orleans will LOVE Baker Mayfield.
He progressed from his first and second year?
He's shown progression only once. From 2nd year to 3rd year. He's still unproven because the Browns organization just sucks. He'll maybe get an opportunity because there probably isn't a team that would bring him in to start, but to compete for a start.
Love the idea of Gardner in Cleveland next year. Play Action QB and good fit personality wise.
Yup.. Until the organization destroys him as a person like they’ve done to the rest of their QB’s..
Browns have an excellent QB2 and a QB3 that is healthy.
Bakersfield was playing seriously injured and should have been benched 8 games ago.
I do feel like Cleveland needs stability at QB after such a circus of people coming in and out. I think the game plan needs to be adjusted and they need to get some consistency in the personnel.
Aww man. Send him to New Orleans. We will make him great 😉
No way you’re a saints fan
they did it with brees after he had a bad season in san diego
Unless the Saints can get Watson, Rogers, or Wilson... They might as well stick with Taysom until they can get over the dead money from Brees and build up enough cap space and capital to make a run for a blockbuster trade or a high draft pick once the qb market trends up... Imo
Coming from a Panther fan, there is no doubt in my mind that somebody would pick Baker up, as their starter. Maybe even the Panthers, lmao.
He’s a solid qb the problem is Stefanski doesn’t let our OC call plays, on top of bakers injury
Plenty of teams would be happy to have Baker. If he moves I would speculate his first choice would be the Steelers.
No. It is time for the Browns to part ways with Stefanski. Chubb should get the ball minimum 25-30 times a game. Mayfield even with the labrum issue was still getting more zip on the ball than Matt Ryan is being 100% healthy (I am a Falcons fan). Chubb is averaging 5.5 YPC on the season and you have Mayfield throwing the ball 38 times while Chubb runs the ball only 12 times????? What sense does that make? It is like Stefanski wants Mayfield to fail. But hey. If the Browns want to let him go; I hope he comes to Atlanta because Atlanta dropped the ball when they did not draft a QB in a QB heavy draft this past season. Why they didnt go after Mac Jones is beyond me.
2020 must've been a fluke. I think Matt LeFleur had a poor season for his second year. I do not understand why Stefanski didn't run the ball and Baker should've sat out at least ONE GAME. And why did they go from what they're doing last year to this year? C'mon man!
He did sit out one game
Lol Odell left browns thought it was his fault they weren't good 😂
What does lafleur have to do with the browns? Hes Packers coach who just happens to be #1 seed in nfc and best record in nfl. But thats a Poor season? Not even a Packers fan but i have to admit they are the most consistent team in nfl rn as far as the brownies they confuse us all. They have the weapons to make it happen they proved it last year they just choose not to use them I guess
What does this have to do with the packers coach
I could see Baker being a Saint next season. He'd be a hell of alot better than Winston
Winston > baker
@@jeffgayzose8129 Throwing more INT's yes.
@@Sirharryflash82 14 TD’s and 3 int’s this year 🤔🤔
Did you not watch Winston this year??? He was genuinely great until his injury?!?!
@@bigpapaben4014 Great?? Pretty pedestrian numbers for today's NFL passing. Besides he has the Saint's coaching staff and not the Brown's.
🎶 F’n over yo fa sho puzzy trying to get some mo puzzy….you end up with no puzzy….no puzzy 🎶
Pat deserves every bit of that new contract if he lowkey knows that song lol
I don't even understand how Diggs is in the conversation. Man's has the most picks, cause he's the most targeted corner in the league. Why, cause he gives up the most.
WR and Pass protection is the Browns biggest needs
coming from a browns fan we definitely need a wide receiver (hopefully chris olave or Garret wilson) but i think pass protection is less of a line problem and more of an indecisive qb problem
@@vdiddystudios8043 Yes
@@vdiddystudios8043 More like Jack Conklin need to get back asap and the Browns should look at them plus Jameson Williams and David Bell.
This is such a wrong take lol. The pass protection has been excellent . Baker sucks
@@vdiddystudios8043 people really shilling for Baker. PFF ranks the pass blocking 4th in the league . Burrow has the 30th best pass protection. They get sacked at the same rate. Baker has zero ability to avoid sacks, throws picks, and has balls tipped constantly
They had a lot of dropped passes.
Bring him to the Colts like Trent Richardson 🤣
I’m giving Baker one more year. Being good less than half of his career is not good enough for me yet. If it’s the injury, then he can definitely get my respect back. Right now, his pride and ego is way too big for me to respect him at the moment. If you were injured and it was hampering the team then why the hell are you playing Baker? Put your damn pride aside and let Keenum or even Mullens play. They both were better than what you have done this year. You seriously could ruin your chances of being paid millions of dollars because you didn’t want to sit. If you would’ve got surgery after the first half of the season then we’d gladly accept you back next year. You have given browns fans total uncertainty about this teams future because you think you’re better than everyone else. Get your damn surgery and you better play good next season or we will never respect you ever again.
If the BRAWWNS get rid of BM they deserve 10 more years of bad QB play. This is an obvious coaching Issue.
You nailed it, Andy Reid made average QB's look good and won with them.
I think it’s a coaching issue, too. Both for play calling (the criminal underuse of Chubb) and the fact that they didn’t sit Baker when it became obvious (in week 3-4) that he was too banged up to be effective.
The conspiracy theorist in me wonders if the organization tanked to lower his stock/make him more affordable and draft high again.
@@Sirharryflash82 Right! Coach has some explaining to do.
@Wong Kar-Chazelle Yes you are right. BM can't read the field as well as others but he has been somewhat effective in the Browns organization. If you analyze the entire Browns season you can tell the coach is not a fan of BM. He has him playing hurt, throwing on downs where he has Chubb on fire in the backfield. It make no sense to me.
@@JabezGill Your conspiracy seems accurate in my eyes. My question is who would they take to replace BM?
Baker to the Steelers
that was ruff with the Chubb joke but on point
I just realized Ty has a bobblehead of himself
As a Browns fan, I'm in favor of the Garoppolo plan. If there's a talented QB that falls, scoop him up in case Baker gets hurt. Otherwise, I think the Browns can win with a healthy Baker.
Also, I'd have Jarvis Landry giving input on any of these situations. He really turned the culture around in Cleveland and he deserves to be heard on who is throwing the ball.
He’ll be Justin Fields backup in Chicago or a Jet
He’s better than Fields as of right now
Can you IMAGINE... if the Browns BEAT KC last year - there wouldnt even be this discussion no matter how his season went. That was the most costly loss for him. I feel like Derek Carr is at a similar crossroads.
TJ was squeezing poor Guy on the ground every time he sacs him.
I think it’s true that they’re intentionally making Baker throw. It’s obvious… and it’s also necessary. They needed to know what they have in him before they make a decision on his future with the Browns. It makes sense , it’s smart. They need to know that they can trust him when the game is on his shoulders… and it doesn’t appear that they can.
Someone will definitely trade for him… but what is he worth? A third?
Nothing more than a 5th. He’s a liability healthy and even more of a liability injured.
TJ was shafted the last couple of years coming in 2nd and 3rd for DPOY. He should have won at least one of those, and would be getting his second right now.
This is one of the dumbest things in the NFL. It should be very simple. If you have to even debate if a QB is worth resigning, you move on.
Somehow I feel like this guy could end up in Minnesota.
Baker is the best thing to happen to the Browns in 30 years. Of course they'd say "not good enough" and go through another 3 decades of quarterback carousel.
How’re the browns ever going to evolve if they keep going from QB to QB? I feel like they finally need to build around him to keep their team on pace. Changing Qbs interrupts the entire rhythm of the offense.
You don’t build around a QB with four years in the league that still can’t win in the fourth quarter.
What makes you think they're building around Baker Mayfield lol their identity is running the ball and controlling the line of scrimmage, you could literally bring Teddy Bridgewater on the Browns and nothing would change aside from less turnovers which is a plus.
@@Rromantiq bridgewater looks like he should retire soon based off all the hits he’s taken. I don’t want to see another Antonio brown situation
Yes
Watch him be in the Steelers lol
Cleveland would be better off if Baker stayed and the Browns left town.
I couldn't agree more, Baker shouldn't be in a city with an NFL team, he's trash
@@happysqWid Browns had 4 wins in 3 years before Baker. He deserves an actual NFL team
They have to see next year when he is fully healthy . you can't judge him when he is hurt. I'm not a baker fan but I think he has the tools and toughness to be a good QB.
Also if he’s so injured why is he lowering his left shoulder to initiate contact on a QB run? Using injuries as an excuses doesn’t have anything to do with his horrible footwork, decision-making, and inability to read defenses
When people say Baker is a poor man's Philip Rivers, I see more of a Middle Class Blake Bortles
Chubb shouldn’t take another Carry all year. Save those miles for when you’re not eliminated from the playoffs. These guys only last about 2000 Carries MAX.
Fun fact… the GB Packers of Wisconsin, TJ’s home…. Yea they passed on TJ in the draft even though they need an OLB. Same front office that wants / wanted to move on from Rodgers. FML 🤦♂️
even vs the packers in a close game, he threw 4 ints.
When I can call the play from the couch it's a sad day
No Pat, Andy Dalton is Scott Farkas. Do a split screen. It's nuts.
I’m a Steelers fan and I want baker. I think he’s kind of like a Carson wentz trade. I think we could work with him it we just need an offensive coordinator. It’s a miracle we won 8 games this year. Rudy isn’t it at all. I don’t really want a young QB in the draft because he can’t learn behind an experienced QB. We aren’t in full rebuild mode yet because we’ve already got some solid talent.
Baker could start for half the teams in the NFL. I wouldn't pay him top shelf money to sacrifice the payroll for the rest of the team. If Cleveland took a page from the Pats' complementary handbook; run the ball, strong D up front, good special teams, don't turn it over, they'd be in the playoffs. I could see Baker in Denver, New Orleans, or Washington in '22 or '23.
Personal opinion for both sides of the ball for the browns. Their offense is weird. It’s supposed to be run first then spread the ball with the play action pass. They have talented receivers but couldn’t figure how to use them. It feels like only Higgins gets open. The play calling for Odell was never there either. Then on defense the media acts as if it’s elite but it’s really not. The defense is slightly above average with a lot of talented young players but the only stars they have is still Garrett and Ward. I say new head coach. You don’t have much to offer a free agent Vet
That would be crushing pressure on baker
As a Browns fan, Kevin is the problem with this team. The coaching staff should have pulled Baker after the Cards game to do surgery and heal up. Look at what the Ravens did with Lamar after his ankle injury. Immediately rested him to heal up. Now they are likely headed to the playoffs and we are done.
Outside of that play calling has been abysmal this year as has general offensive schemes and adjustment. For example TJ was double teamed only TWICE yesterday against a rookie tackle that tried his best. Terrible coaching.
Have you seen Tyler Huntley? He's almost as good a Lamar. Kase is not that. Injured baker was the best qb on the team. Kevin's play calling wasn't very good this year, but to fire the previous coach of the year would be a mistake. Like they say, you can get a new coach, not a better one
The difference is the ravens know Lamar is their franchise. Stefanski doesn’t know if Baker is the future, and so far it doesn’t look like it.
Emily Mayfield ruined our Super Bowl dreams this year.
dood has thrown more interceptions than any other active starting qb in the league, and he is the quarterback of a run first play action style team. he just doesnt throw the ball well. injuries aside its always been that because he doesnt handle pressure... at all. hes tough as hell and he clearly cares about his team, but, despite all that, production matters. he had a great season last year but still threw balls to the moon and this year with the injuries it was even worse. for a team with so many offensive weapons and to have been in so many close games they should have won you have to look somewhere. As a browns fan i like sending baker to seattle for russ or even getting huntley from baltimore. maybe even the kid from liberty to develop under a guy like russ.
That Odell tape came within, they had actual film tape. I knew Baker would get exposed the rest of the year. Baker got a fly mouth too so you mix that with his performance ticking time bomb.
I suggest checking out Kurt Warner's break down of the fame tape between BM and OB. Guess what? He is saying OB was the problem...