So, for nami, you prefer it sounding like you put the sound through 5 toasters, 60 suns, and put soundproof walls in front of the speaker, rather than humming?
I like how Melodii sounds very consistent now. At times it sounded really good in the old version and at other times it sounded like they were having a stroke. As for stir and mix I like both the Old and the new version.
Also it really improved her dictation for me, idk her old version made it hard to understand what she’s supposed to sing without the subtitles in certain parts
Honestly I really like the old version of stir and mix just because it has more of a lovey doves type of sound but now it’s a lot like them just singing for it. Another thing to point out is OMG THEY REALLY FOXED GREASE POPPING
as someone who has no nostalgia for the old versions because i only discovered this thing existed a few weeks ago i gotta disagree the new version definitively sounds better and has more emotion to it than the old one
@FantasmaNaranja as someone who knew about this in its first version, I agree. Except for Melodii during Grease Poppin'. The old one goes with McWave's vocals well, sometimes. Best example is "flippin' and frying to keep myself from dying". But the old one can make melodii hard to understand half the time. The new one is the opposite of the problem where she's kinda more expressive (in a song that's just kinda lowkey) despite being able to understand her a lot better
Mostly notice from the new vocals that the robotic "buzz" from their voices are majorly improved. You can actually hear their voices instead of an aggressive autotune and it sounds like they're actually singing instead of buzzing out syllables that 'sound like words' which would be hard to decipher without lyrics. It's not perfect but it's a huge improvement. (PS: It's still pretty hard to understand McWave)
It's impressive, yeah, I vastly prefer it. Especially in the first song, where the hiphop vocals are supposed to be in a "flow" intonation rather than a strictly autotuned musical one.
@@rydoggoMaybe its bc you guys are more used to hearing vocaloids, but as an outsider, I genuinely thought the new stir and mix was a person but I can tell that the old one was a vocaloid immeadiately.
I think people's preference for the old versions is jusg nostalgia/being used to it. The new version are objectively much better: understandable lyrics, better volume levels, much more skilled tuning. I think Stir and Mix and Nami are somewhat understandable they weren't that bad before, but even then i still think the new versions are improvements and show a better understanding on how to use vocal synths.
is objectively good, but it is useless if you don't take into consideration the original version created by the author, which was created on purpose as in the Mc Wave song, which despite being more consistent, the voice of the beginning matched perfectly with Mc Wave's voice due to being the same software.
Idk, as someone who only recently got into vocaloids (within the last year or two) I still prefer the old version. There's an objective technical improvement in the new version, but I feel like the focus was on making the vocaloids sound as good as possible, not making the songs themselves sound as good as possible. Either way, the effort they had to put in to improve the sound quality had to have been pretty insane
Most of the new ones are an improvement but I prefer the original for Stir And Max. But I could be biased because the original is what introduced me to the game
I will say that grease poppin is alot better because Melodii's vocaloid sounded ALOT different from their original. But in the new update their vocaloid sounds alot more like the normal one found in other songs, so I like it!
honestly i prefer the originals of stir and mix and grease poppin, (musically, i get wanting to give melodii a consistent voice) but the others are improved imo
I honestly could go either for Jamtine’s voice because Stir and Mix is my favorite song from the original 4 But I do like her old voice a smidge more on the “Mix, mix, mix, uh huh” part
Yeah especially during that little scream, made her a bit more unhinged in the original. The best way I can describe it, it’s almost like a Yandere that won’t kill but will do everything else to get who she wants
For those who are curious the VOCALOID voice banks (which version of software they were originally released) used for each character are: Cinnabay: Amy (Vocaloid 5) Biggie Cheesecake: Cyber Songman (Vocaloid 4) Jamtime: Cyber Diva (Vocaloid 4) Rensa(Not in the video because she's from a new song): Gumi English (Vocaloid 3)¹ Melodii: Apparently Chris (Vocaloid 5), but I didn't hear a resemblance They all most likely were all used in Vocaloid 5's engine, since all of them are compatible with it. PS: They're compatible with V6 too, but it wasn't released on the first demo and for now we can't be sure if they've switched to it, since none of them sound like Vocaloid AI (from the list, Gumi is the only one who has it) and there are no new V6 voice banks used too Now to non-vocaloid characters: Nami: Human voice actress - Meggie Elise Synthz McWave: Speech Synthesis from FL Studio, which if I'm not mistaken it's older than Vocaloid itself so the quality can't really be improved by much like all the others that you can tune it to sound more natural Mc Bean Machine(green puyo): Human voice actor - Jordo Prince ¹ Gumi English has only been released for Vocaloid 3, Vocaloid 6(AI voice bank). She'll be released for Synth V that has multi language capabilities as an AI voice bank tomorrow(December 20th)
I don’t usually listen to the English Vocaloids, but I knew Rensa sounds familiar for some reason (Except for Cyber Diva, but not enough where it’s recognizable)
The reason why Chris is hard to hear is because the gender factor in Vocaloid is turned down very low for the voice, to better suit Melodii. A lower gender factor in Vocaloid makes a voice more high/feminine sounding, while a higher gender factor makes a voice more deep/masculine sounding.
@@sopix7761 [I t] is standard and automatically entered [I h] is a manual change and is to sound a little more casual like a real singer doing doing less harsh pronunciations
My takes: Cream cheese icing's new version is much better across the board Melodii's old voice suited nami.wav better, with the shorter sustain and slight bitcrushing giving her a more lofi vibe. Jamtine's voice could go either way, it was just already very fitting to begin with. I think a like the new version just a lil better Melodii has a bit more energy and stronger delivery in the new versions of stir & mix and grease poppin i know that contradicts what i just said about nami.wav, but w/e its about what sounds good and that's both subjective and not strictly logical
Icing's new song is much better for sure. Some lines are still a little hard to hear properly, but it's much better than the OG. I definitely prefer the old Nami.wav by far, for both melodii and nami. The songing isn't bad, and it's definitely more clear, but imo that doesn't match the vaporwave vibe nearly as well. Melodii kinda sounded like she was singing with a mouthfull of water... which fits, honestly. Jamtime is a mixed bag. Some lines were better in the OG, some in the new version. Could go either way, although I think Melodii's singing is a lot better. I'm also not sold on grease poppin'. I mean, Melodii's singing is much clearer, but now the contrast between their voices is great enough that it just feels a little off for me. It's not bad, just different, I suppose. The new songs are great though. Since they're built from the ground up with new voices, they absolutely nail them perfectly.
@@madden8021 I think a mix of both would be much more ideal. Scratchin' Melodii using vocaloid feels so unique since the only games I've saw that use vocaloid were mostly SEGA games using the Piapro vocaloids.
I really like Jamtines new voice as it fits better for the song and character, but I prefer the old version. There’s just something about the old one I like more
In my opinion, in stir and mix, Jamtine had a better voice in the old version, but in the new one it is too smooth. In my opinion, I would give the old voice to Jamtine and leave the new voice of our heroine.
Fr on certain parts it sounds off but melodii sounds good its an improvement. Like around 2:28 Jamtine sounds really weird especially around the mixing part 2:54 I know music is subjective but the song sounds so off to me. 3:16 They made melodii more clear which is a good thing but personally I would revert some things because I don't think clarity was really needed in this song. The end of the song (new version) was a nice touch ❤ 3:25
If you've been a long time vocaloid fan, one of the things you notice about the genre is that what's considered aesthetically "good" has shifted over time to be more naturalistic and human. Older songs tend to be more robotic, buzzy, and unnaturally high-pitched, while modern vocaloid songs tend to downplay those elements. There's obvious exceptions, but I'd say that's the general trend I've felt in vocaloid music, including in the stuff I enjoy listening to. One big factor there is that the more humanistic tuning is in fact more skillful and difficult to achieve. We have more of that skill now, almost two decades out from when Miku was first released, than we did in the early 2010s. Another big factor is that the newer versions of all different varieties of voice banks make that kind of sound easier to achieve - the samples are better and the software is better at stitching them together now. But difficult execution does not fundamentally make a more aesthetically pleasing work. I know of noise albums that are super technically difficult, but which are way less fun to listen to than your basic 4-chord pop song. I think it's undeniable that the newer vocals in Scratchin' Melodii are more technically skilled - it takes skill to remove the buzzing, and the new ones are for sure more emotional. And if that's your aesthetic preference, then sure, but there are definitely people who prefer the robotic, inhuman qualities, for reasons that go beyond just nostalgia. Losing those qualities changes the *feel* of the songs, changes the aesthetic base, and I understand why people prefer that. Personally, listening to this, I think the additional clarity & emotions in the lyrics are a welcome addition, but the new vocals consistently do this thing where they hold on the notes for half a beat longer than the old vocals did, which makes the whole thing feel less... sharp. See Melodii's vocals in the comparisons at 3:58 and 4:16 - the "stoppin'" and "poppin'" are held longer and slower, to the point where they feel like Melodii's is slurring their words. "Coastin'" and "roastin'" do not have that quality, though, and they're equally as sharp making that line one of the most straightforward upgrades in the whole video. I also think there's just a little too much emphasis on improving the emotiveness of the vocals, and it could be toned down like 10% to a happy medium that doesn't distract from the fact that they're singing. There's a bunch of moments where it feels like Melodii's response is almost inquisitive, instead of declarative - in a call & response song, you want the call to be inquisitive and the response to be declarative. Question & answer sort of vibe. This is the worst in Stir & Mix - arguably, that's the most expressive of all 4 of the OG songs, and dialing it up to 11 here hurts the song as a whole. That said all of this discussion hides the real travesty - the new backing track for Cream Cheese Icing is *so much worse* .·´¯`(>▂
A great take. Personally, I much prefer the clarity and expressive nature of the newer vocaloid systems, however I completely see what you mean about note length.
TBH, I agree with the notes being held way too long... ruins the sharp, quick feel of Greese poppin. But I feel that it's not just the backing track that makes cream cheese icing bad.. I feel it just needs a rework. I do like being able to understand the lyrics (which is what the best part of the old version did well when DJ did that switchup) but at the same time I feel that they ruined that part in the new version for the sake of understanding lyrics... I liked that it went quickly and you had to actually listen in to hear what he was saying
I really don't like the new Cream Cheese Icing. It sounds off. I prefer the old backing track too. And the new vocals for the "You might groovin', smooth and always movin'" section cannot beat the old one. I know the new voice is objectively better, but there's just something missing within the annunciation of the new voice.
I think the old one was almost incomprehensible what they were saying but the rythm was better, the new one has more audio quality but its more ´´bland´´ (especially the first song, the others not so much)
i feel like their voices are like too calm, while in the other one while they where more robotic and harder to understand, they had a spark to them@@sammysquid3702
In my opinion, all of them were an improvement except for Jamtime. It sounds way too robotic and unnatural. Now that just may be me too used to yet old one, or that the entire point is to make them sorta robotic cuz their vocaloids, but still. Just feels off, but beside that I have no complaints!
@@Sam-tl4ho NAh, for me I legitimately think it sounds significantly more natural now than it did. It was one of the changes I thought was most impressive.
I'm not sure how I feel about the new vocals. I like that the new vocals have more clarity than the older counter parts but, in some ways the old voice added more character to the songs by being a tad more robotic. It really depends on which song is being played and what section of the song it's on for what's better. I don't really know how I would blend the two versions though to get it to hit the way I'd want it to. I will say though that I kinda hate the way they completely changed cream cheese icing though. It doesn't have the same flow as the old version. Maybe that's just a me thing though.
The older ones are more charming and stylized. The new ones do sound (more) like real people singing, but there's something that just flosses the crevasses in my brain with the old vocals.
It has that old video game compressed voice sound and the filter just fit the vibe way more for me I get the new tuning, but I miss the old version. Too bad the creator removed all the old version of the songs from their channel.
@@TazykClydeKinn Sorry I forgot I comment this and I feel bad I will delete the comment and besides old version of Stir and Mix is the best of the old versions
I actually like both of them. The 2022 robotic voice sounds good, but the 2023 voice sounds like someone’s actually singing it. I like the 2023 version more(not by a lot, it’s extremely close), but the 2022 sounds pretty good.
I really agree because she sound weird when she says “making cookies for my love I stir and mix” and now it sounds like “making cooies for mayh love ai ster and mix”
The originals definitely has its charms, and I wouldn't be opposed to having new songs start off as those and later refreshed to have both as a togglable option. "scrunkly ver." and "rescratched ver." maybe? Edit: I just love the idea that Melodii could be depicted as a younger vocaloid that is trying her best to keep up, its absolutely adorable in my head canon. qwq
I really like how it's not just an Audio updated, they've really updated the graphics too! It's subtle but noticeable ^^ plus the Game play looks so much better too! Hope they keep up with this game
I will miss the old mixes and vocaloid because I've listened to them for so long, but Melodii sounds like themself in McGroove's song, and their lyrics are definitely alot clearer.
thank you so much for doing them in each scene because unlike other vid comparisons, they would just play them together so the only difference i can see is their animation and not their voices cause they’re mixed together i also felt dizzy looking back and forth to see the difference so i appreciate that you did them individually ^^❤
I’m actually pretty happy with the changes to jamtines song. I was nervous bc it’s one of my favorite songs but they actually some how made her sound even more love struck
@@F1N3N3CT4LS well tbh I agree with you but it’s the “DJ I gotta admit this kids got style and bars to spit”but overall I prefer the new version of everything els
I love how the update makes the words easier to understand and the characters voices and colors more full of life (Ps I will argue to my grave that the jamitines song just hits different)
I think the new vocals are great! I do kinda agree on Jamtime’s song sounding a little better in the older version (though Melodii themself sounds great in all the changed vocals). For me it’s mostly the “I want him to be mine,” section that got a downgrade with the new vocals. Cinnabay and Biggie however had a *major* improvement to their song. I could understand someone liking the older version for nostalgia’s sake, but it feels so rough compared to the most recent version.
In my opinion, the quality of the art have more contrast colour and clearer lines compared to the old one, but the old voice still iconic though the voice pretty decent, the new one have more refreshing voice
I do have to say that I miss the older version of Stir And Mix but the new version does sound a lot more clear which is good, and for Grease Poppin melody sounds a LOT better than before, they actually sound like themselves now lol, I love this game
I like the remade of the first and the McWave song, but Nami and the cookie songs were a bit more stylized in their older version, the main char's voice added a funny tone to the musics. The new colors and better details make it all pop more in your face. Overall, 7/10
Also the last song had melodii as this strange and creepy text to speech instead of their actual voice.. which is really weird..! so I’m glad they changed that.. never gonna play this game.. but still.. lol
At first it sounded weird but after listening again i think it's an improvement. They still have the fun Voca sound, but they put way more emotion into it. It makes the weirdness into a style choice instead of a quirk of the tools.
I have mixed feelings with the newer versions, I preferred the art style and for some songs the old voice sounds alot better. But some of the songs needed different vocals.
The old voice for jamtine seemed the most off for me, it felt more..boring? or it just lacked the sound of excitement and uniqueness of Melodii's and Jamtine's voice. For the old ones Melodii seemed to match her opponent/partner's tone. For example is; Synthz McWave's song, She matched his somewhat monotone/more robotic voice and it had a charm to it! Now it felt off? Idk how to describe it. But the OLD Sweetz Siblings really needed a change. The old one was very inaudible (to me)
Ok for real honest here, I like the old jamtine. Her voice in the old one just pops more then the new version, also melodies voice also has changed by more blurry to more clear, but I like the old melody voice still in the jamtine song. it just makes it more pop, Even if it's not clear. The voice just mix in better, and it just sounds better in my opinion.
New version so suck
@jaredpapa9941 I don’t know dude, I didn’t like the remake of the second and third songs
@jaredpapa9941 Maybe try putting everything in one comment?
So, for nami, you prefer it sounding like you put the sound through 5 toasters, 60 suns, and put soundproof walls in front of the speaker, rather than humming?
@@Wild-GooberNami is doing great, I’m not saying that she’s doing bad. I'm only talking about new versions of previous songs
@@Wild-Goober i like both but the old one just hit different
I like how Melodii sounds very consistent now. At times it sounded really good in the old version and at other times it sounded like they were having a stroke. As for stir and mix I like both the Old and the new version.
Also it really improved her dictation for me, idk her old version made it hard to understand what she’s supposed to sing without the subtitles in certain parts
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@@FrozenFruit976 thanks for reminding me
i thought they went by any@@FrozenFruit976
Og stir and mix is better 😅
Fun fact: Actually Nami is the only one who isn't voiced by a Vocaloid-
No wonder why her voice sounds so good.
And McWave, hes a TTS
I dont understand how to use vocaloid
@@guerranoturna5860What’s a tts?
Wasn't the Green Bean in Sidechain Fever voiced by a person as well?
I didn't realize Nami's VA actually had their track re-recorded! Pretty sick
Yeah, even the animation is reanimated
I always think that the via probably said in a soft tone "hhhhh Nami wav v2 baby"
there was no reason for that change
LJ actually said it wasn't; just a few adjustments to the tuning was what made it sounds as though t'was rerecorded
Honestly I really like the old version of stir and mix just because it has more of a lovey doves type of sound but now it’s a lot like them just singing for it. Another thing to point out is OMG THEY REALLY FOXED GREASE POPPING
if anything the new one actually sounds like singing, the old one really doesnt
I prefer the old one too
@@pupeescobar698that's the problem
as someone who has no nostalgia for the old versions because i only discovered this thing existed a few weeks ago i gotta disagree
the new version definitively sounds better and has more emotion to it than the old one
@FantasmaNaranja as someone who knew about this in its first version, I agree. Except for Melodii during Grease Poppin'.
The old one goes with McWave's vocals well, sometimes. Best example is "flippin' and frying to keep myself from dying". But the old one can make melodii hard to understand half the time.
The new one is the opposite of the problem where she's kinda more expressive (in a song that's just kinda lowkey) despite being able to understand her a lot better
Mostly notice from the new vocals that the robotic "buzz" from their voices are majorly improved. You can actually hear their voices instead of an aggressive autotune and it sounds like they're actually singing instead of buzzing out syllables that 'sound like words' which would be hard to decipher without lyrics. It's not perfect but it's a huge improvement. (PS: It's still pretty hard to understand McWave)
Mc Wave is not a VOCALOID is a TTS.
Mc wave hasn’t been changed I don’t think. They did say that things were finished and less finished in no particular order
in all honesty i think thats just what i think his voice is for his character
Mcwave is pretty easy to understand for me lol
To be fair, his voice IS pretty deep.
Oh the new versions do a way better job of sounding natural and having more inflections in the voice. Very much like it!
It's impressive, yeah, I vastly prefer it. Especially in the first song, where the hiphop vocals are supposed to be in a "flow" intonation rather than a strictly autotuned musical one.
not really for Stir n Mix. It's overall less expressive and more obvious that it's a vocaloid.
@@rydoggoMaybe its bc you guys are more used to hearing vocaloids, but as an outsider, I genuinely thought the new stir and mix was a person but I can tell that the old one was a vocaloid immeadiately.
@@rydoggoidk I found it was the complete opposite for me
I think people's preference for the old versions is jusg nostalgia/being used to it. The new version are objectively much better: understandable lyrics, better volume levels, much more skilled tuning. I think Stir and Mix and Nami are somewhat understandable they weren't that bad before, but even then i still think the new versions are improvements and show a better understanding on how to use vocal synths.
is objectively good, but it is useless if you don't take into consideration the original version created by the author, which was created on purpose as in the Mc Wave song, which despite being more consistent, the voice of the beginning matched perfectly with Mc Wave's voice due to being the same software.
you should google what objective means
do you know what the word objective means
@@dontstealmycontentplease an objective improvement, then, technically speaking.
Idk, as someone who only recently got into vocaloids (within the last year or two) I still prefer the old version. There's an objective technical improvement in the new version, but I feel like the focus was on making the vocaloids sound as good as possible, not making the songs themselves sound as good as possible. Either way, the effort they had to put in to improve the sound quality had to have been pretty insane
Most of the new ones are an improvement but I prefer the original for Stir And Max. But I could be biased because the original is what introduced me to the game
the song is called stir and mix 😁
My thoughts exactly
@@JLis_coolprobably just a typo
@@asheriiox yea
I actually like the new songs because it's more refreshed and new and more clear
Yeah, melody's voice was muffy and loud
Yeah but that one got that sweet magic
The fact that this is an unpopular opinion makes me sad
@@pemanilnoob no worries
Yea, now you can understand melodii much better
I will say that grease poppin is alot better because Melodii's vocaloid sounded ALOT different from their original. But in the new update their vocaloid sounds alot more like the normal one found in other songs, so I like it!
Old “Burgers, an Art. The Grill? Our canvas” was my favorite line from Melodii.
Hits on a spiritual level 🔥
@@nicerobin4687same
It's more lively
the oroginal melodii in that one sounds like that one creepy text to speech voice that treatsforbeasts uses
honestly i prefer the originals of stir and mix and grease poppin, (musically, i get wanting to give melodii a consistent voice) but the others are improved imo
I honestly could go either for Jamtine’s voice because Stir and Mix is my favorite song from the original 4 But I do like her old voice a smidge more on the “Mix, mix, mix, uh huh” part
I agree on that part
But overall it’s really dope
Yeah I agree, I love it
Same, i like her old voice a bit more cause of how good it portray Jamtine's slightly unhinged personality towards her crush.
Yeah especially during that little scream, made her a bit more unhinged in the original. The best way I can describe it, it’s almost like a Yandere that won’t kill but will do everything else to get who she wants
I personally like the old version better since it portrays her kinda kooky personality better but both are great the new one is just kinda calmer
For those who are curious the VOCALOID voice banks (which version of software they were originally released) used for each character are:
Cinnabay: Amy (Vocaloid 5)
Biggie Cheesecake: Cyber Songman (Vocaloid 4)
Jamtime: Cyber Diva (Vocaloid 4)
Rensa(Not in the video because she's from a new song): Gumi English (Vocaloid 3)¹
Melodii: Apparently Chris (Vocaloid 5), but I didn't hear a resemblance
They all most likely were all used in Vocaloid 5's engine, since all of them are compatible with it.
PS: They're compatible with V6 too, but it wasn't released on the first demo and for now we can't be sure if they've switched to it, since none of them sound like Vocaloid AI (from the list, Gumi is the only one who has it) and there are no new V6 voice banks used too
Now to non-vocaloid characters:
Nami: Human voice actress - Meggie Elise
Synthz McWave: Speech Synthesis from FL Studio, which if I'm not mistaken it's older than Vocaloid itself so the quality can't really be improved by much like all the others that you can tune it to sound more natural
Mc Bean Machine(green puyo): Human voice actor - Jordo Prince
¹ Gumi English has only been released for Vocaloid 3, Vocaloid 6(AI voice bank). She'll be released for Synth V that has multi language capabilities as an AI voice bank tomorrow(December 20th)
I KNEW RENSA SOUNDED SO FAMILIAR, SO THAT'S WHYYY
That makes me love her character even more 😭❤
I don’t usually listen to the English Vocaloids, but I knew Rensa sounds familiar for some reason
(Except for Cyber Diva, but not enough where it’s recognizable)
The reason why Chris is hard to hear is because the gender factor in Vocaloid is turned down very low for the voice, to better suit Melodii. A lower gender factor in Vocaloid makes a voice more high/feminine sounding, while a higher gender factor makes a voice more deep/masculine sounding.
@@denkirobo makes sense I forgot about the gender function completely
even with the gender factor I still can kinda make out Chris lol
Seeing these all honestly sounds vastly improved across the board.
The fact that Jamtine used to say “iT” during her song at the beginning was what I liked
Honestly for me it sounds like she’s saying “eigh” which really sounds weird to me
i think she said hey
it was most likely an error with the creator putting "i" on the note instead of something like "ai", so it simply got fixed
@@sopix7761
[I t] is standard and automatically entered
[I h] is a manual change and is to sound a little more casual like a real singer doing doing less harsh pronunciations
My takes:
Cream cheese icing's new version is much better across the board
Melodii's old voice suited nami.wav better, with the shorter sustain and slight bitcrushing giving her a more lofi vibe.
Jamtine's voice could go either way, it was just already very fitting to begin with. I think a like the new version just a lil better
Melodii has a bit more energy and stronger delivery in the new versions of stir & mix and grease poppin
i know that contradicts what i just said about nami.wav, but w/e its about what sounds good and that's both subjective and not strictly logical
I like jamtine’s new voice cause she actually holds the notes now instead of it just stopping in the old version
Icing's new song is much better for sure. Some lines are still a little hard to hear properly, but it's much better than the OG.
I definitely prefer the old Nami.wav by far, for both melodii and nami. The songing isn't bad, and it's definitely more clear, but imo that doesn't match the vaporwave vibe nearly as well. Melodii kinda sounded like she was singing with a mouthfull of water... which fits, honestly.
Jamtime is a mixed bag. Some lines were better in the OG, some in the new version. Could go either way, although I think Melodii's singing is a lot better.
I'm also not sold on grease poppin'. I mean, Melodii's singing is much clearer, but now the contrast between their voices is great enough that it just feels a little off for me. It's not bad, just different, I suppose.
The new songs are great though. Since they're built from the ground up with new voices, they absolutely nail them perfectly.
Idk I didn’t really like Jamtine’s voice in the new one… Which is unfortunate because that was my favorite song previously.
1:35 The way Nami said in "I just wanna be" in the old one was so good
In the new one, it like someone just reduced her volume to a whisper ;-;
you mean the opposite because the “old” one was new
I was thinking the same thing
Fr I remember when that part gave me goosebumps.
New one doesn’t have the same emotion.
fun fact: Nami has an actual voice actress
I hope to see the game complete with actual VA's to match the levels of Parappa
@@madden8021 I think a mix of both would be much more ideal. Scratchin' Melodii using vocaloid feels so unique since the only games I've saw that use vocaloid were mostly SEGA games using the Piapro vocaloids.
Ideally, you could switch between the two at any time
@@madden8021the game would loose a lot of its charm if it did imo
I really like Jamtines new voice as it fits better for the song and character, but I prefer the old version. There’s just something about the old one I like more
sameee, i think its her voice, the new voice kinda lost its cute charm(?)
nostalgia maybe?
It sounds genuine
They're literally two diff versions for sure. Older version she sounds more lovey dovey and obsessed. Newer version is monotone af
In my opinion, in stir and mix, Jamtine had a better voice in the old version, but in the new one it is too smooth. In my opinion, I would give the old voice to Jamtine and leave the new voice of our heroine.
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Fr on certain parts it sounds off but melodii sounds good its an improvement. Like around 2:28 Jamtine sounds really weird especially around the mixing part 2:54 I know music is subjective but the song sounds so off to me. 3:16 They made melodii more clear which is a good thing but personally I would revert some things because I don't think clarity was really needed in this song. The end of the song (new version) was a nice touch ❤ 3:25
If you've been a long time vocaloid fan, one of the things you notice about the genre is that what's considered aesthetically "good" has shifted over time to be more naturalistic and human. Older songs tend to be more robotic, buzzy, and unnaturally high-pitched, while modern vocaloid songs tend to downplay those elements. There's obvious exceptions, but I'd say that's the general trend I've felt in vocaloid music, including in the stuff I enjoy listening to.
One big factor there is that the more humanistic tuning is in fact more skillful and difficult to achieve. We have more of that skill now, almost two decades out from when Miku was first released, than we did in the early 2010s. Another big factor is that the newer versions of all different varieties of voice banks make that kind of sound easier to achieve - the samples are better and the software is better at stitching them together now.
But difficult execution does not fundamentally make a more aesthetically pleasing work. I know of noise albums that are super technically difficult, but which are way less fun to listen to than your basic 4-chord pop song. I think it's undeniable that the newer vocals in Scratchin' Melodii are more technically skilled - it takes skill to remove the buzzing, and the new ones are for sure more emotional. And if that's your aesthetic preference, then sure, but there are definitely people who prefer the robotic, inhuman qualities, for reasons that go beyond just nostalgia. Losing those qualities changes the *feel* of the songs, changes the aesthetic base, and I understand why people prefer that.
Personally, listening to this, I think the additional clarity & emotions in the lyrics are a welcome addition, but the new vocals consistently do this thing where they hold on the notes for half a beat longer than the old vocals did, which makes the whole thing feel less... sharp. See Melodii's vocals in the comparisons at 3:58 and 4:16 - the "stoppin'" and "poppin'" are held longer and slower, to the point where they feel like Melodii's is slurring their words. "Coastin'" and "roastin'" do not have that quality, though, and they're equally as sharp making that line one of the most straightforward upgrades in the whole video.
I also think there's just a little too much emphasis on improving the emotiveness of the vocals, and it could be toned down like 10% to a happy medium that doesn't distract from the fact that they're singing. There's a bunch of moments where it feels like Melodii's response is almost inquisitive, instead of declarative - in a call & response song, you want the call to be inquisitive and the response to be declarative. Question & answer sort of vibe. This is the worst in Stir & Mix - arguably, that's the most expressive of all 4 of the OG songs, and dialing it up to 11 here hurts the song as a whole.
That said all of this discussion hides the real travesty - the new backing track for Cream Cheese Icing is *so much worse* .·´¯`(>▂
A great take. Personally, I much prefer the clarity and expressive nature of the newer vocaloid systems, however I completely see what you mean about note length.
It's rare to see a logical and objective take on this platform, rather than "New version so suck". Thank you.
TBH, I agree with the notes being held way too long... ruins the sharp, quick feel of Greese poppin. But I feel that it's not just the backing track that makes cream cheese icing bad.. I feel it just needs a rework. I do like being able to understand the lyrics (which is what the best part of the old version did well when DJ did that switchup) but at the same time I feel that they ruined that part in the new version for the sake of understanding lyrics... I liked that it went quickly and you had to actually listen in to hear what he was saying
I really don't like the new Cream Cheese Icing. It sounds off. I prefer the old backing track too. And the new vocals for the "You might groovin', smooth and always movin'" section cannot beat the old one. I know the new voice is objectively better, but there's just something missing within the annunciation of the new voice.
I think the old one was almost incomprehensible what they were saying but the rythm was better, the new one has more audio quality but its more ´´bland´´ (especially the first song, the others not so much)
nah, i really like more the new version of cream cheese icing, the first was just gibberish half of the song, the new has more syle
I don’t really se how their bland at all
i feel like their voices are like too calm, while in the other one while they where more robotic and harder to understand, they had a spark to them@@sammysquid3702
They focused more on making the sound clearer than making a decent melody tbh. The original songs sounded better in everything but quality
@@hoxiipoxii56 again I disagree, I think I sounds way better on every level
In my opinion, all of them were an improvement except for Jamtime. It sounds way too robotic and unnatural. Now that just may be me too used to yet old one, or that the entire point is to make them sorta robotic cuz their vocaloids, but still. Just feels off, but beside that I have no complaints!
That’s wild, because Jamtine sounds DRASTICALLY more natural in the new version to me 😮
@@Lovingmadjomit feels like the change was made to make it more natural, but the change had the reverse result
@@Sam-tl4ho NAh, for me I legitimately think it sounds significantly more natural now than it did. It was one of the changes I thought was most impressive.
It’s because the new voice is more exxagerated
I love the new vocals sm..they were impossible to listen to before now i can sorta understand what theyre saying without captions
0:05 hey Dj you gotta admit I’m gangnam style and always hit -Melodii 2022
When I heard that I did an audiotory double take
I HEAR IT 😨
Stir and Mix will never be the same again…
REST IN PEACE OLD STIR AND MIX
i barely noticed a change in it LMAO
@@mushroomchoirare you deaf??
@@WindiestRat3 does auditory processing disorder count?
@@mushroomchoir maybe 🤔
I'm not sure how I feel about the new vocals.
I like that the new vocals have more clarity than the older counter parts but, in some ways the old voice added more character to the songs by being a tad more robotic. It really depends on which song is being played and what section of the song it's on for what's better. I don't really know how I would blend the two versions though to get it to hit the way I'd want it to.
I will say though that I kinda hate the way they completely changed cream cheese icing though. It doesn't have the same flow as the old version. Maybe that's just a me thing though.
Those are not "old voices" , those are the same voicebanks just with better tuning
At 0:40, i personally perfer the older style since it looks like her face is retracting a LOT in the new one
1:14 melody sounds like a kazoo in the old one
Oh geez. Grease Poppin was rough back then.
The older ones are more charming and stylized. The new ones do sound (more) like real people singing, but there's something that just flosses the crevasses in my brain with the old vocals.
Cringe
@@gserulle323 "PLAYING ROBLOX ESCAPE SCHOOL OBBY" ok buddy
@@toasterwaffl I hate those videos and I wasn't trying to be mean
@@toasterwaffl I'm just saying that the old version is cringe not your opinion
I think the only song I prefer the original version of is Grease Poppin’- something about Melodii’s vocal filter just feels nicer with the song
It has that old video game compressed voice sound and the filter just fit the vibe way more for me
I get the new tuning, but I miss the old version. Too bad the creator removed all the old version of the songs from their channel.
I agree
@@GamerDancer yeah :(
@@GamerDancer They aré in the channel, in the playlist section
It seems that they changed Melodii's voice in several songs to make it more consistent
1:43 this version will forever be my favorite 😭
@@gserulle323How
@@gserulle323 YOU'RE a you are weird
@@gserulle323 why?
@@TazykClydeKinn Sorry I forgot I comment this and I feel bad I will delete the comment and besides old version of Stir and Mix is the best of the old versions
Both are great
We love neutral opinions
THEY BOTH GREAT
SORRY IM BI I CANT MAKE CHOICES @@RaiBlu10
@@DogBat epic! :D
but fr old jamtines voice fit so well
now it just feels like pinkie pie
The old voice sounds too robotic, listen to the “i wanna” part again
I actually like both of them. The 2022 robotic voice sounds good, but the 2023 voice sounds like someone’s actually singing it. I like the 2023 version more(not by a lot, it’s extremely close), but the 2022 sounds pretty good.
I really agree because she sound weird when she says “making cookies for my love I stir and mix” and now it sounds like “making cooies for mayh love ai ster and mix”
Honestly, I like the old ones except for when their voice is just become physically impossible to figure out what noises they’re making
The fact people prefer the old CCI is absolutely crazy to me
x2, the original was literally gibberish
@@dacerber that’s what I liked about tbh. but to each their own :)
V1’s beat is better(to me)but the vocals are bad
V2’s vocals on V1’s beat would be peak
you mean a slower cci?@@inkrements
Great to see how it evolved!
I prefer the old stir and mix melodii and jamtine just sound better in that song when they sound less robotic
The originals definitely has its charms, and I wouldn't be opposed to having new songs start off as those and later refreshed to have both as a togglable option.
"scrunkly ver." and "rescratched ver." maybe?
Edit: I just love the idea that Melodii could be depicted as a younger vocaloid that is trying her best to keep up, its absolutely adorable in my head canon.
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2:28 that face tho 💀💀💀
I really like how it's not just an Audio updated, they've really updated the graphics too! It's subtle but noticeable ^^ plus the Game play looks so much better too! Hope they keep up with this game
I will miss the old mixes and vocaloid because I've listened to them for so long, but Melodii sounds like themself in McGroove's song, and their lyrics are definitely alot clearer.
thank you so much for doing them in each scene because unlike other vid comparisons, they would just play them together so the only difference i can see is their animation and not their voices cause they’re mixed together
i also felt dizzy looking back and forth to see the difference so i appreciate that you did them individually ^^❤
I’m actually pretty happy with the changes to jamtines song. I was nervous bc it’s one of my favorite songs but they actually some how made her sound even more love struck
I really liked the original version of cream cheese icing
Edit:roses are red violets are blue I liked my own comment because nobody wanted to
You are a monster
How? My opinion I like new the lyrics of he old one was 😜😜got that ee OO 😜😜 got that ee oo got thaf sweet sweet magic
@@F1N3N3CT4LS well tbh I agree with you but it’s the “DJ I gotta admit this kids got style and bars to spit”but overall I prefer the new version of everything els
I can really hear melodiis improvements! I really like her new voice!
their*
I love how the update makes the words easier to understand and the characters voices and colors more full of life
(Ps I will argue to my grave that the jamitines song just hits different)
When she parties on my crashers
I’m so excited for this game to come back because I loved it last year!
3:09 I barely understand old version Melodii
I think the new vocals are great! I do kinda agree on Jamtime’s song sounding a little better in the older version (though Melodii themself sounds great in all the changed vocals). For me it’s mostly the “I want him to be mine,” section that got a downgrade with the new vocals.
Cinnabay and Biggie however had a *major* improvement to their song. I could understand someone liking the older version for nostalgia’s sake, but it feels so rough compared to the most recent version.
The improvement to Melodii specifically is amazing!
In my opinion, the quality of the art have more contrast colour and clearer lines compared to the old one, but the old voice still iconic though the voice pretty decent, the new one have more refreshing voice
I do have to say that I miss the older version of Stir And Mix but the new version does sound a lot more clear which is good, and for Grease Poppin melody sounds a LOT better than before, they actually sound like themselves now lol, I love this game
Keep up the good work, those are big improvements.😁
I kinda miss some small details in the old ver. like the cute art in the pop up windows 0:33 and being able to see the side of Nami's eyes at 0:42
I don't why I like old Jamtine version
I like the new ones better underrated opinion
Same
Holy moly these songs improved so much!
HOLYY THE TUNING ON THE VOCALOIDS IMPROVED SO MUCH
Old version is more iconic
I like the remade of the first and the McWave song, but Nami and the cookie songs were a bit more stylized in their older version, the main char's voice added a funny tone to the musics. The new colors and better details make it all pop more in your face. Overall, 7/10
Luv your vids!
Thx
honestly i like the old stir n' mix
Are you a part of the OSC?
@@TheWorldsLargestOven yes
The Old Ver For Stir And Mix Actually Has A Much More Lovey-dovey Vibes Than The Newer One
I KNEW WHAT THEY'RE VOCALOIDS!
I like how they're more clear and easier to understand
4:32 I swear the way Melodii is hanging on the lever is a reference to Sonic bec it looks just like the same exact animation
1:15 Melodii sounds like she’s nasally congested
ive never heard of this game but it reminds of parappa , definitely gonna look into it more as i loved the parappa games
I really like the old voices. The robotic vocoloid sounds adds to it
I like the new version much more, I feel the animation is more fluid, and the voices are better understood than before
A lot of these are improvements, but Stir and Mix really needed the punchier, almost staccato delivery to work as well as it did initially
jamtine sounds so devoid of emotion and passion now
THE FIRST SONG HAD *SUCH* A HUGE INFLECTION IMPROVEMENT-
Also the last song had melodii as this strange and creepy text to speech instead of their actual voice.. which is really weird..! so I’m glad they changed that.. never gonna play this game.. but still.. lol
At first it sounded weird but after listening again i think it's an improvement. They still have the fun Voca sound, but they put way more emotion into it. It makes the weirdness into a style choice instead of a quirk of the tools.
4:24 glad this changed..
I love the stir and mix either way
Excited for the next one where it starts to really sound good
i honestly think i like the old versions of stir & mix and grease poppin, but cream cheese icing is def a major improvement
I have mixed feelings with the newer versions, I preferred the art style and for some songs the old voice sounds alot better. But some of the songs needed different vocals.
The old voice for jamtine seemed the most off for me, it felt more..boring? or it just lacked the sound of excitement and uniqueness of Melodii's and Jamtine's voice. For the old ones Melodii seemed to match her opponent/partner's tone. For example is; Synthz McWave's song, She matched his somewhat monotone/more robotic voice and it had a charm to it! Now it felt off? Idk how to describe it.
But the OLD Sweetz Siblings really needed a change. The old one was very inaudible (to me)
that is ever best comparison
edit: OMG I JUST NOTICED THAT ITS WAS THE VOCALOID ONES
1:44 look at the new version of ghis song, the melodii idle at the start changed, lol (mouth only idk)
Her hair moves now-
@@P3dro_msm i also noticed that lmao
The new ones arent bad but something about the old versions + the vocals of the olf versions hit different
The whole cream chesee icing song changed
It sounds cool
Ok for real honest here, I like the old jamtine. Her voice in the old one just pops more then the new version, also melodies voice also has changed by more blurry to more clear, but I like the old melody voice still in the jamtine song. it just makes it more pop, Even if it's not clear. The voice just mix in better, and it just sounds better in my opinion.
What vocaloids do they use in the old one?
The same ones, they just have a different tuning!
Still bops for sure
im so glad they kept ol ronald's cousin the same, the old granier voice just hits diffrent with him
This update feels like a half and half creamer.
One half is filled with amazing songs,
The other is bad changes to already amazing songs.
im mixed about it because a few cases are better but there are a few cases where its worse
Both sound good.
its new tune or new vocaloids?, btw as for me it was better before?, but, anyways very cool, ly :3
and fix the new line at the top(
bro the old voices sucked they all sounded dehydrated
New tuning and small settings changes! Iirc no voicebank changes
I love the new voices, but I do prefer Jamtine’s old one
Estoy feliz porque por fin salió la nueva demo de scratchin melodii :,D
I like both
3:29 Finally, Melodii has her normal voice
I love the cleaner vocals especially the first song the comparison is just night and day