What went wrong in Stargate Atlantis
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A strong start to the second Stargate series. But slowly lost its drive with several of the characters. Where did they go wrong, where did they go right. And some ideas in fixing the series from its problems.
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Nothing, they decided to do Universe which went in a totally different direction from the rest of the franchise and crashed it. Would have gladly taken one more season of Atlantis over the two seasons of Universe.
Sga was great. You cant convince me otherwise
I personally really love Stargate Atlantis. I think it was cut short and easily had two more seasons left in it before ending.
There was no problem
It was the best stargaze
" What went wrong in Stargate Atlantis " Nothing. The real problem was that the Studio was overspending and didn't have enough money to keep several series going
Another CZcamsr who knows better how it should have been done
Apparently the writers didn't know what to do with Ford so they just wrote his character off the show. Also, apparently the producers loved the actress who played Jennifer Keller who seriously didn't fit the show at all.
Despite all it's misgivings, I still enjoyed Atlantis. At least it felt like Stargate to me unlike Universe which was completely different.
15:02 keller and mckay being in a relationship is just as bad as chakotay and 7 of 9 in voyager rofl
SGA is amazing. Season 2 specifically is just classic gold sci-fi. Every episode is super unique.
Not trying to call out the writers or production team or whatever, but even back when the shows were being produced it was clear they were hitting a mental wall when it came to women leaders; it's like "just write them like you'd write Hammond or Oneill or T'ealc, dummies, Carter and Weir aren't incomprehensible beings from another planet they're people, just write them like people." But the writers opted for ignoring, or sidelining, or making them awkward incomprehensible beings. It's not like, dastardly evil of the writers, it was just a mild failing, a stumble, a little misogyny as a treat.
The second to last episode where the alternate universe Shepard is a las vegas detective hunting an alien, and that alien sending the signal that tells the Wraith where Earth is, that was pretty cool. Also "the last man" episode with Shepard zipping forward thru time, they were clearly having fun making these. There were some small redeeming moments.
If McKay ever got a gf in show it should've been Cadman.
She's been in Rodney's head before and knows how he thinks, and doesn't deal with his emotions. They could've slowly grown closer over several episodes without realizing it, eating lunch and talking in the hallways goes to hanging out in the labs or firing range goes to looking for each other in emergencies sort of thing. She could've helped him with his emotional issues/ego and he could've helped her with any number of things since we didn't get much in show info about her.
Yes she had a crush on Beckett in S2 but it didn't work out since their first kiss was technically McKay and Carson, not Cadman and Carson, so that's already dealt with.
Keller was also the wraith girl raised by the man in the village in earlier episodes before she became the doctor.
Literally love this video, had me dying from laughter 😂 Thank you for talking about Weir!! I grew up watching Atlantis when it was airing and Weir was my favorite character, but she really did always get sidelined, sad to say. Still love the full cast though, I would have kept watching if the writing hadn’t fallen apart.
My problem with Stargate Atlantis is that the other planets are NOT interesting . In sg1 the goa'ulds were out there cobtrolling planets and the asgards were out there , and the planets felt more interesting than the sg command center . In Stargate atlantis the city itself is more interesting than the galaxy. I would gave liked it if : atlantis flies and they use it as a space station and they help other planets build ships and fight back . The wraith are not as interesting as the goa'ulds
What Went Wrong Suggestions: The later Jaws films, Mortal Kombat Conquest, Son of the Mask, Happy Tree Friends Seasons 3 - 4, Season 3 of Tabaluga, Quest for Camelot, Dragon Ball Evolution and Street Fighter the Animated Series
Forgotten Television suggestions: Mummies Alive, Happy Tree Friends the TV Series, Power Stone the Anime, Street Fighter II V, PB&J otter and Dragon Ball GT
Yeah, I have no idea how Stargate Atlantis ended up being so rushed, and so convoluted with so many ignored characters. A potential 40+ episodes could’ve saved the cast, and plot, but, it unfortunately never happened. At any rate, another excellent review. Maybe you could review “Angels In The Outfield” for a future FTV video (though I don’t remember if I already suggested it before), and a future WWW review on ether live-action “Ghost Rider” film, or even a mixture of both if possible.
Nothing went wron with Atlantis, but they should have never, NEVER went back to Earth under any circumstances. The whole last arc was a colossal series fail. Yup, cool... neat to see, but ridiculously improbable and, in practice, no one on Earth should ever be allowed to get that much access.
I too NEVER would have come back to earth
I watched all years of SG1 and Atlantis when they aired. I was never thinking out of all of them Ronon Dex would make it big. I shunned SGU because I was angry they canceled SG1 and Atlantis and never gave it a chance. Watched it recently (within last 2y) and was surprised that it was the best Stargate of them all. What killed Stargate? The aholes at Scifi and MGM. And they prevented anyone else from continuing it. Horrible people. SG1 had another 5 seasons left in it, Atlantis had another 6-8 easy and Universe could have run for another 8 seasons had they played all their cards right and had smarter people running the handling of this awesome IP. They could have made games, merch, movies (TV and Theater) and had video games and cartoons etc.
But no. Instead of watering it and growing it making billions, they killed it all. (Anyone who disses SGU imo is not a fan of Stargate and doesn't understand what SG is. They're just fanboys and not true fans)
I think they wrote the show season to season based on how fans and crew/staff liked the characters, actors storylines etc. Ford out of everyone , just didnt have charisma , that on camera presence that every other main character and top back ground characters had. Kudos to them for the bold writing of a main character breaking bad. several times they had the fake out of it in SG1 but right when we thought nah it could never happen, they made one turn and stay bad.
I think the show just didnt deviate from the wraith enough, bringing in replicators was just able to prolong the show enough but they should have written out new mysteries.. like maybe some species on the other side of the galaxy was able to find a way to beat the wraith and keep them out of a quarter or more of the galaxy and SGA needs to try and find out how they did it and why its so hard to find them... finding new enemies and allies in the process. the story just seemed to be all wraith all the time.
Wow, I really liked Atlantis. Was sad seeing Becket killed off and I adored Dr Weir; a women who showed good authority and kept her cool. Rodney acted like a jerk and was conceded; but he did know his stuff for the most part. I wish they had kept going with the series. They could of used Atlantis to go get the folks off of the Destiny. So looking for a new series and movies 😊
Atlantis writers just never seemed to know what they wanted to do
Spot on re Michael & Tod! Michael was tedious boring and the entire Tod storyline was squandered.
After Todd first episode, Sheppard and he established that bond found between people of shared trauma and near death.
Then Sheppard maintains the juvenile visceral mistrust of Tod throughout the series
They had distrust cause they’re alliance was only nessacary for survival after that Todd was still wraith and he like all wraith still saw humans as cattle and murder millions every cycle and he knew Sheppard knew that no matter the bond they where still mortal enemies
What Went Wrong Suggestions: The later Jaws films, Mortal Kombat Conquest, The Simpsons, Big Bang Theory, Shrek 3 and Beware the Batman
Forgotten Television suggestions: The Dark Man Trilogy, Firewall, Superman/Batman Apocalypse, Stripperella, Beetlejuice cartoon, The Mask cartoon, Prehistoric Park and Primeval
Wait what’s with the McKay hate?? Dudes like my favourite character loved how he got the girl in the end
Could be a Citrus thing...
David Hewlett was cast perfectly for the role of Rodney.
Something that always bothers me about a the Stargate Cinematic Universe was the recycling of actors. Elizabeth’s fiancé…yeah, he was the Tolan (can’t remember his name) that Samantha gave Schrödinger the cat to. The Tolan were wiped out by the Goa’uld, so he’s supposed to be dead. Todd the wraith was the same actor as the Athosian children’s father.
Consistency for gods sake!
" Todd the wraith was the same actor as the Athosian children’s father. " And, I didn't even realize that it was the same actor playing it, and he was wearing a mask.
it sounds like you just don't like McKay
Live and let live. McKay was an on and off asshole. But David Hewlett is an excellent excellent actor. I loved when he healed Ronan"s scars❤❤❤❤❤
I think what it comes down to is that they had no idea what they were doing or where they were going. A perfect example was the wraith: The wraith weren't the gould. They were united. They wouldn't fight among themselves. This was on the official website. How long did that last?
In a perfect world 2 teams rotating stories would be good but unfortunately that takes so much planning ahead they couldnt have done it because contracts were already made and team 2 would want more money from being focal points in more episodes while you're then over paying the main characters by them not being main characters in as many episodes. contracts and actors demands have gotten in the way of what writers , producers, and directors have envisioned in shows and movies so many times you tend to understand how drugs and booze are so common in the profession just to deal with the BS lol
I think they blew it when they just abandoned the Pegasus galaxy by bringing Atlantis back to Milky Way and Earth
I loved the show and watched it for its characters, mostly McKay. I never understood, why they got rid of beloved characters for no good reason, not even with much emotional impact. I loved the addition of Woolsey, but felt Higginson worked way better in the show than Tapping and Becket was more interesting than Keller. But the storylines were in general a bit dodgy and too repetitive… how many times can you free someone from a hiveship, how many times can you get taken hostage by the Genii, how many times can you not kill Michael… I felt they never got on with the important stuff, like getting ZPMs or getting organized against the Wraith. I really think the writing was too unfocused the whole 5 seasons over. They wrote great characters, but lousy plots.
Weir started out as a better Janeway with some dashes of Picard. She then just got pushed into the background. Of course the actress eventually got frustrated with what they were doing.
Sheppard would have never survived if it weren't for Todd. They NEVER should have left him behind. I watch Atlantis every single night before bedtime. And every single damn time when Michael is introduced, it's like watching Titanic and hoping it doesn't hit the iceberg and sink.
Loved SG1 and Atlantis, bought the all the DVD's and movies.
They got me through the COVID years.
Only watched the first 15 minutes of SGU's first episode. Didn't like it at all.
nothing went wrong with any of the stargate franchise apart from not getting season 6 atlantis and season 3 sgu
Weir was a personality problem behind the scenes. They just didn’t like her. She couldn’t get along with cast and crew.
Atlantis should have introduced the ori to the Pegasus galaxy. wraith v ori id pay to watch that
I love Atlantis but the writers really sucked. Should have stuck with Atlantis instead of SGU. Big FU.
I loved how Atlantis expanded the mythos, especially after SG-1 got canceled.
I really wanted to like SG Universe, but it tried too hard to be "adult." And yes, literally everybody was an asshole.
SG-1 still had some dangling plotlines, like who created that replicator-creating program in Ark of Truth.
That dangling plot line lives rent free in my head.
@@psychoapplesauceeater8562 lol
as bad as SG:A was it wasnt half as bad as SG:U - i wanted Michale and Tod team up and kill everyone, thats the dream ending that would work well - make the waith the heros fighting the bad wraith - that would work for the final season
I loved the show, but agree with a lot of what you said. The actors and core ideas kept it afloat despite some bad steps and missed opportunities.
The problem with SGA is they were getting good in season 4-5 when Todd and Michael, Woolsey Even Teyla the Wraith queen gave Teyla something to do.
Before Michael and Todd the wraith were nameless replaceable
I think Michael had potential.
He was smart, determined, deadly and more importantly he was a monster SGA created. Michael is the victim the team kidnapped him and experimented on him. Twice. More Michael had access to Atlantis database. He could have access to the list of planets with zpms or the time dilation cave. With those he could have accelerated his experiments like what happened to the replicators.
clone Beckett was awful, nothing meant anything
"The writers were bored."
Exactly! I felt that way somewhere around season 4 and definitely 5, although I'm sure there were signs of it much earlier.
Did you also get the impression that while the characters got some development (McKay mostly), it gets reset in the next episode?
SGA had so much potential that just went down the drain.
The Wraith are one of my favorite races in Stargate, but they were so one-dimensional and inconsistently written. They were almost intelligent and frightening enemies one moment and complete idiots the next. I also felt that the Wraith needed more characters like Todd and, to a lesser extent, Michael, just to give them some much needed complexity.
All in all, I agree with most of what you've said.
Yeah. Characters did feel like they kept resetting.
The Wraith backstory killed the show. The Wraith did not have the potential to wipe out the Ancients. Period. If they did SG-A would never have been able to stand up to them. It was in my opinion just used to spit on canon SG-1 from the new, arrogant and partially clueless production core. The Asgards said they could not decipher or digest all the knowledge of the Ancients and over thousands of years only achieved a small portion of Ancient technology.
The Wraith could have easily came after the Ancients were gone all being ascended or traveling through the universe or finally succumbing to the plague even they couldn't cure. No plot holes. Instead they spit on the lore of SG-1 and ruined the show.
Exactly!
I agree, but if i had to justify how the wraith could defeat the ancients it would be this:
The ancients have special powers.
The wraiths consume the ancients.
The wraith get the special powers from this.
As they consume more, they become more powerful.
Meanwhile, some ancients science experiment goes wrong and makes them sterile.
Wraith get stronger, ancients get weaker.
After ancients disappear, wraiths eventually descend in power to their original levels.
Boom
@@RogersGirl88 They tried to fix that in the show but it didn't make any sense. If you recall it was a wraith-like bug that killed an ancient and the gene merging created the wraith through "evolution".
I wish they didn't give Mc Kay the Daniel treatment, while he didn't quite become as spec ops military man as Daniel did, it felt like they were pushing him away from science and into that role because they wanted him on a screen but had nothing interesting for him to do other than shoot his gun.
Things were more interesting when he couldn't hit the broadside of a barn.
Only In the later seasons which made sense after years of being shot at of course he would learn how to fight back especially when feeling comfortable with allies
You lost me right when you yelled at Stargate Universe
I never watched any of the TV shows but I love the movie.
There was nothing wrong with SG-1,SGA or SGU, I loved all three shows. They were all great showns in their time. Always something to go back to and watch when I have an hour spare.
I haven't seen anything that comes close, except maybe Raised by Wolves, which I've watched twice now and off course, any Star Trek show is up at the top of my list.
It's a shame Raised by Wolves was cancelled.
Studios are failing their audience cancelling shows before they get going. It's getting frustrating starting a new show and then finding it's cancelled, it's putting me off starting a new show on the streaming services.
Rant Over.
i saw episode 1 andd 2 after that i never saw other episode.
But now i hear your opion the director lost his story line, deadly mistake
Nothing was wrong with Stargate Atlantis at all. Brad Wright wanted to dump Atlantis to Do Battlestar Stargate (Universe). Atlantis should have gone on for at least two more years. We should have gotten more SG-1 movies. The producer's especially Wright talked about Universe as if it was the best thing he had ever done with everything before Universe was something to scrape off ones shoes. Something new and completely different doesn't always work. They took the show down every possible wrong path.
Nothing could improve universe at all. The characters were not likeable or even easy to relate to. They could kill off the entire cast and it wouldn't change the watchability of the show one iota. Yes Atlantis wasn't perfect but in sure in hell was better than Atlantis it's worst. What could have been will never be. The producer's ego caused this mess.....such a wasteful shameful event for such a fine series.
I don't agree with all your criticism, but good video anyway.
You are assuming that the same producers and writers that messed things up could have fixed things with one more season. Sorry, it doesn’t happen that way.
I wonder how they would have written the Weir character if Jessica Steen had kept the role she originated on SG1.
Nothing went wrong. I love this series.
I think the show became perfect when Robert Picardo became the commander, too bad the show got cancelled as soon as the show became good.
Great vid. I agree with most of your points. Could you do vids on what went wrong with the prequel movie and SGU?
Have you read Stargate Atlantis: Legacy yet? It literally deals with all these "concerns" JUAT DAMM MAD THEY DIDN'T MAKE THE DAMM THINGS!!!!
in a way sg atlantis was a soft reboot with other ennemies .... still njoyable but not that different then the original show .... i very very liked sgu ... much darker , very different
A Goa'uld symbiote in a Wraith...hello unstoppable badassitude. Until of course they figure out how to stop it,but still tho. Oh and unrelatedly McKay should've stayed with the plant lady...much hotter. As well never liked Ford. Rainbow Brite didnt die thats the problem with his character.
That intro scared me... What demon hath been summoned
The problem with series like SG: Atlantis, in my opinion, is that they set-up the villain and then spend the rest of the series deconstructing what made that villain a threat in the first place.
They also did that in SG:1 with the Goa'uld and in shows like Star Trek: Voyager with the Borg and to a quicker extend, with the Hirogen.
Yeah. You can add more to a villain. Or show some of them being good. But the issue was them keeping the Wraith limited. Or stuck one a few of them. Like Micheal. VS when they did this with the Replicators.
I agree with almost everything you said, though I didn't care for either McKay or Wolsey in SG1 and SGA just made me Dislike them more, McKay to the Point of ruining every episode he was a Feature character. as far as SGU, very disappointing, I think Young and Scott would have been better for Atlantis and Shepard and Ford for SGU.
My introduction to Stargate came through Atlantis. I liked it a lot. Then a friend told me to watch SG1 but I was reluctant because it’s so dated. I finally did and I love it so much more! Actually SG1 made Atlantis almost unwatchable to me because it’s so superior in every element. But still, Atlantis is a decent watch.
Zpms werent pulled out of nowhere.
The only thing I didn’t like about it was that SGA didnt have a team raid Asuras for every zpm they could get their hands on before they destroyed the Asurans
They previously raided it and only stole one
Agree with plenty of your criticisms but still.. damnit I loved this shown.
This is kinda weird. Didn't this happen to Buck Rogers back in the late 70's where they reformatted Buck to be more like BSG and it failed as well? And this was AFTER the first BSG failed. I don't know what these producers are telling their writers but it's been wrong for like 50 years now as far as SCI-FI goes.
Todd is my favorite character on this show.
I did like todd
I loved SG1 and SG:A. They are two of my favorite sci-fi shows. I love the hell out of Atlantis but you're right in that there are a few characters who get waaaaay more screen time while others dismissed.. But I'm kinda OK with it because McKay is a great character IMO. Ford was my least favorite character so I was OK with him getting chucked out.
I also wish they explored Atlantis more. I absolutely love the architecture, and I think they could have shown off some really cool things in there. Building it would be expensive though.. Sending people into the canadian forest is cheaper..
I never really enjoyed SGA even compared to SGU.
Actually Jewel Staite was not just swoop up from Firefly, she was already an SGA cast in season 2 episode 7 "Instinct" as Ellia the adopted wraith daughter. She was just recycled to become Dr. Keller.
Liked her better as a wraith.
I didn’t realize that was her!
Jewel staite was ahem ❤
They continued the story on books.
What books?
I just got done seeing episode 9 of Atlantis and gave up on it. I remember when it was new I never finished season one. I also hated SGU. SG1 was the only series I liked of the franchise.
I'm not to familiar with the series just watching it a few times barley again in my first decade from SG1 to UNI killing off Becket was real dumb and really really dumb writing off Weir I remembered differently that Carter and Richard Woosley just had to take over for whatever in seasons 4/5 and that Keller was just helping Becket that would of been WAAAAAY more fitting even a child could write in those characters that way simply but as you said the writers were bored I guess
Total agreement. SGU was horrid. Dude. Ronin's planet was destroyed by the Wraith. A wraith team member? Teal'c retread.
It's not totally the same. Teal'c was one of the Gould's servants. I think it would have given more episodes to Ronin. That was my thought process. He had that awkwardness at Atlantis. If you bring in a Wraith. Now you have to deal with that. And Obviously they can't bring a Wraith on main missions. So they wouldn't be apart of the main team.
Than I also thought about a Wraith. So that prove the character turned to good. Help with Ford. Cure him. Bring him back to the show. As a on and off character. Fill those episodes with those type of ideas. Instead of doing the 20th McKay episode.
I disagree with everything that this guy said in this video
Totally Agree !!!! Who ever this presenter is Clearly Does not like The variations of the S,G Genre. He is probably Jealous of the incredible success.
And the money it made throughout the presenter. Who is nothing but an idiot and low life.
NOTHING....
He made sgu nearly sound good
I think David Hewlett was a genius actor in Atlantis. Never got tired of him. I was destroyed when we lost Carson. Ford got screwed royalty. My only fear of an Atlantis reboot would be WOKE ATLANTIS. Like they did in SGU.
SGU Woke, what ? I'm about to watch it now, but it's put me off a bit.
it was awesome because it had fewer black, almost no gays and lesbian and wasn't a bunch of woke bs.
Heck ya
And it showed no imagination and couldnt stay in there for the long-term.
Because just like you, the story-lines gotten dumbed-down with time.
i agree with you on sg1 and sga were good, sgu was bad.
Dude really needs to chill. The only point he got right was that the city itself as a character was underused. By all means, have teams going through the stargate looking for ZPM's but don't ignore the incredible discoveries to be made right at your feet. SCI-FI channel canceled Atlantis, for whatever reason they had a bad habit of terminating shows with a five year run. Making SGU was a big mistake. stick to the two shows that are on the air, taking time, resources and writing talent away to create a third came at a cost. Tried to watch SGU but after a few episode there wasn't a single character That I found remotely likeable.
I agree, instead of writing of and replacing characters they should have written of and replaced the writers,
What went wrong quite a bit actually
The writing on stargate for all of the series was not very consistent
They were borrowing concepts from various Science fiction TV series
People left the show that oh that they should have done whatever they could to keep them on the show because when that happened that happened the whole dynamic changes
The other problem is that you had people joining the show After it had been on several years all of a sudden mcgiver leaves the show and you have these 2 rejects from far escape show up
To reject that are not very good actors it does not work for me
They did the same thing on stargate Atlantis you have the doctor from star trek voyager show up on SG1 and they continue that character which to me all it did was get in the way then you have the doctor leave the show and you had the engineer from Firefly show up
Then dr wier dies and all of a sudden the doctor from star trek voyager is now the head of the Atlantis expedition
The one character that they needed to do without because it really didn't work for me was Rodney mckay he got in the way the character really wasn't that smart just doesn't work
I did not do not and will not like the concept of them using borg and calling them replicators on any stargate TV series I don't like it it's stupid
The only good thing about stargate Atlantis for me was it gave Jason mamoa his big break
Besides the painfully glaring plot holes:
Everyone spoke English.
Goa'uld technology could wipe out cities but never hit a human sized target or kill a main character if they did.
For some reason SG-1 never thought of procuring shields for themselves and modifying them.
I love Atlantis. Miss it so much. Ive never wished a TV show to be real as much as Atlantis. Yep still obsessed. Wish I lived there as was part of the crew. Michael is like the Titanic. i always wish Michael could have stayed good. Absolutely loved Todd. Gha, i wish they could bring it back. Even if it were CGI at first, then age the characters later as they are now. Yes, they wound be past the age of retirement, but I dont care. That's why it's called Science FICTION.
The Wraith were a mistake right out of the gate. Space emo-rock hand-vampires veered too far into schlocky horror to be entertaining. The city of Atlantis is awesome, but the writers were trying too hard to make the IP darker, edgier, sexier. SGU took that misstep and quadrupled down on it, making something worse than the nonsense self-parody from "200". They wanted so badly to be BSG that it killed the franchise. SG-1 was loved for what it brought to the table that *wasn't* nihilistic dark sci-fi. I've no idea why they thought being as dumb as the rest of the playing field would be the way forward for them.
it feels like they used up all the good ideas of exploring weird places for the main series and what was left in atlantis is just going through countryside forests and visiting same old plain pre industrial villages with 30% of the villages being a cover up for a bit more advanced hidden civilization... boring AF...
Casting for Torri as a romantic partner for Flanagan. Shall we say zero natural chemistry.
I remember thinking the same of Torri in Tekwar with Greg Evigan....they looked more like brother and sister than a couple
@@dragonchr15 oh it’s way more than that. She’s not chemically interested to put it kindly.
I liked atlantis much more than SG1 just bc sg1 ran WAY too long but yea.... Michael story lines sucked so much
I disagree with everything you said about Stargate Universe.
Yes, Stargate Universe was my number one favorite Stargate show!
Id give anything for a Stargate spinoff where somehow a large team gets lost thru the gate in a new galaxy where Lovecraftian creatures and elder gods and stuff exist.
Language, mate. If you have something to say, then say it without obscenities.
You should stop eating Donuts
You should start eating donuts.