Which Boost is Best? (Miata) - Turbocharged VS Supercharged
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- čas přidán 3. 06. 2024
- Have you ever wondered what type of forced induction is best for your Miata, turbo vs supercharger? In this episode, we try to figure that out. Both of these boosted Miata’s make the same Horsepower, but one of them is Turbo (Black) and the other is Supercharged (Silver). Regardless of the type of boost, we believe any fast Miata is a fun Miata. Which boost do you think is best in this turbo vs supercharger debate?
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Check out each of these cars, we did a review on both of them!
Turbo Miata: czcams.com/video/_gtzZV9pq78/video.html
Supercharged Miata: czcams.com/video/eFZUIAi1QFI/video.html
Nice one guys. I've only seen one back to back mx5 turbo/supercharger test (Mighty Car Mods) and that was not on public roads. Your road test gave me a greater insight on the differences between the two forced induction options. Keep up the good work.
Yay! Glad you liked it!!
Agreed, my MX-5 is a daily, street driven car. MCM's comparison was good information if I was driving on a track 100% of the time but this is good information for living with the car. I'm assembling parts to supercharge mine, going with a fully DIY assembled Speeduino ECU, I want to be able to say I made everything on my car (which wasn't factory) myself.
@@JamesChurchill3 Are you supercharged now? I also run Speediuno and would love to chat :-)
Honestly... this is a great comparison video. Good information and allows me to observe both cars in action on a normal road which is how I drive most of the time. thanks guys
Thanks Danielle, glad we could help!
Just found this channel today but keep up the good work!
Thanks! We hope you stick around!
Absolutely wicked video!
Thanks!!!
I’ve enjoyed your content. Keep up the good work. I love miatas, on my third one in three years. In Cali we have some severe restrictions, very few carb legal kits. Have the FM turbo kit atm but maybe my fourth will be a supercharged one. 😜
That's awesome! I'm jealous of your weather most of the year, but definitely not the emissions things you guys have to deal with.
@@NappMotorsports tell us about it 🥲
u still got all 3:
@@4cyl Unfortunately not. I’ve sold them as the opportunity arose. When I had 5 cars, I didn’t seem to drive them all too often. Now I’m down to just one miata and one jeep as my toys.
Great Chanel and great content guys. I’m in the same exact situation with my nb. Can’t decide between TRD’s Rotrex kit and a t25 turbo setup. On one hand I want easy cooling, reliability and linear power for track/auto x, but it’s hard to justify when you can make more power/torque for less money with a turbo setup!
It’s definitely not an easy call. You can’t go wrong with either setup though.
It's my understanding that the rotrex kit is capable of well over 200hp depending on the blower and close to 300hp with some engine mods
I ended up going with the rotrex kit and don’t regret it at all. The install was effortless and the car is a blast with 260whp on 15 psi. Very linear and you still have to work for the power but it’s a great kit and perfect for track work.
with the Rotrex kit, did you have to end up doing much else than install the kit itself, i.e. different ECU? I’m tempted on buying a Rotrex supercharger for my NB1, but don’t know if my car would pass inspection with a stand-alone ECU. I like that a centrifugal supercharger is better for cooling and gives similar power, maybe a little less at most, than a turbo but it’s my daily driver at the end of the day.
Just found this video, nice street comparison. I have an '02 with the FFS MP62 SC with 5th injector (no intercooler needed) and stock ECU w/piggyback and 30K mi on SC. I've never dyno'd but this combo has been tested multiple times at 190-200rwhp. I wish I was closer to add to your comparison, I've been to Boston (Palmer Motorsports Park track day) and Maine with the car from Nashville. I also have a turbo 2015 NC w/2860R at 280rwhp/240tq, I DD, autocross and do track days. Heat is a real issue and I'm on my 2nd turbo and overheated at the track so now I'm having to do a rebuild due to leaking rings... I am going to pull the turbo and install the Rotrex C30-94 kit from BBR in UK and have it tuned to 300rwhp/240tq. I much prefer the controllable linear rush of SC to slam on, rear end breaks loose turbo response. The turbo was fun but just too punishing on the drivetrain, heat and hard to control with how it comes on.
The supercharger will make a ton of heat too, so just keep an eye on that.
@@NappMotorsports I haven't experienced that with my current FFS. I would like to eventually add hood vents but from everything I've read turbos increase temps much greater than SC. I understand they both make more power and therefore generate more heat but at different rates. Would be interesting to take underhood temps on both setups to compare.
We always prefer turbo
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Awesome! Thank you!
Turbo all the way- more engaging on the street and more potential for when you get the itch for moar powa. Which you will get!
Always more power!
Not wrong, but the right supercharger gives you basically just a larger engine. Instant response, no lag, no surprises mid-cornering.
For general cruising I prefer supercharger builds. If it's a roots. Nobody should use a rotrex. Ever.
@@TheOnlyToblin Youre talking about a positive displacement supercharger. The one they used on this miata is a centrifugal take only really make power at the top end. I don't think they make a posi blower for miata's
@@frenchonion4595 they make plenty positive displacement blowers for miatas. Where you been?
Great review…thanks for doing this!
I get it on the whole “modulation on a track” with a supercharger but had to smile knowing basically every F1 car is turbo charged. Granted they’re the best drivers in the world.
I’ve had a suped up subie but never a supercharger. Do superchargers last a lot longer? They seem much simpler with no exhaust gas, etc.
On average, super chargers last longer than turbos and are more reliable
We really liked the supercharger for the simplicity of it being fully self contained, and way less stress on the engine due to the lack of a power hit from a turbo. And F1 engines don’t last that long either haha.
also f1 cars use their ERS to keep the turbo spun up in the corners too
which hard dog roll bar is in the silver Miata? Is it the hard core with 1.75 inch tubing or the sport model with 1.5 inch tubing
Good video 👍 what boost are each cars running, I'm running a ported 45 and seeing 10.4 psi , good clean pull from 3-7350. Using water meth pre and post blower , keeps the supercharger hand warm after a few laps of Silverstone and teflon coating is unmarked after 14 months.
Keep up the good work
Both cars are right around 11-12 psi. The turbo runs more typically, but he dialed it back for the comparison so their power numbers were closer. Water meth is perfect for on track temperature management!
Geez I cant image how long this took to edit. Good video though 👍🏽👍🏽
Quite a bit of time haha. Thank you!
did you guys try a roots style SC setup.. (geared up with good pulley ratio 2.3+:1 and a good IC setup)?
No, but we’d love to. Currently we don’t know of any locally to try.
I bought a mint 94 today, looking forward to turning it into a rocket ASAP
Let’s goooo
I think with any talk of superchargers, it's important to say up front whether it's a roots/screw type, or centrifugal. I think those are just as different as the turbo. For someone like me who wishes that the 70s 2-stroke and Wankel takeover had occurred as planned, I like the continuous build of power you get from a centrifugal. The Miata is diesel-ish enough for me; I don't need more low-end.
I prefer the Rotrex honestly
i have a turbo inline 6 so i kinda wanna keep it different and get a miata then supercharge it. if i feel like getting a big car with turbo sound i go with the n54 e60 and a great daily being the miata. elite combo im working on rn
Go for it!
Thanks for the video. It's very informative. I have a question. For a 99 CA NB, what are some good CARB legal boost options?
I believe Flyin Miata has a kit that’s carb legal
Yup! The Flyin Miata Kit can run on a stock ecu.
@@NappMotorsports I check with them but since my car has 2 CATs it won't be legal on my car. :(
@@bigbigdog Bit late for this but if you’re still looking, Fast Forward Supercharger should work for a 99 in CA with a TVS 900
@@wataruj1199 I've been eyeing that supercharger for a while. Not gonna lie once I saved enough that's probably the one I'm going to get.
Nice video guys 👍. I have a 2010 Mazda Miata which is my daily driver. After watching this video I’m still confused on what I should do. Don’t know if I should go supercharger or turbo. My Miata has an automatic transmission with the paddle shifters. Thanks.
Biggest suggestion I can give is try to drive one of each. You’ll never truly know until you experience them both.
I got an AT 2011 NC, in the same boat brother. I was sold on a Kraftwerks supercharger, but more info on turbo kits is making the choice harder.
I would like to improve the torque and HP on my 2005 Honda Element for basic take-off improvement.
It is primarily a travel and camping vehicle, not for racing.
For this reason, fuel economy is also very important to the power and force gains.
The options I'm looking at are K24A2 swap vs turbo boost vs super charge.
Do you guys have any suggestions on what route I should take?
PS. I'm really just looking for a consistent 200+HP with the highest fuel economy at the lowest install price.
Thanks you guys!
The element should already have a K24 in it if I’m not mistaken. You might just be able to get a Hondata ecu for it and have it tuned. I’ve never looked into it though.
@@NappMotorsports the Element has a K24A4 motor (some 158HP) where as the acura K2A2 has about 200.
Just not sure where to start with this.
Probably with an excel spreadsheet of investment costs and forums.
I could not keep track of which car was turbo versus supercharged, but im blonde. fun video tho
Thanks! Silver was supercharged.
Would you tell us what the long term maintenance problems that you may have encountered over time with the Turbo car?
It all comes down to mechanical empathy. If you’re reasonable to your car and don’t hard launch, redline all the time, do typical maintenance, and install quality parts, you can run a turbo indefinitely. Many turbo installs I’ve seen however are a budget build, and you get issues from cracking manifolds or downpipes, failing turbos (even happens on good units), constant boost leaks from bad IC piping and hardware, failing sensors. When you add a turbo or supercharger, or even K, you’re adding a lot more to the car than it already has, and there’s just so many more variables to keep track of and many new places for errors to arise. Heat management off of the turbo downpipe can also cause its own problems if you don’t plan for it.
@@NappMotorsports Thanks very helpful.
@@NappMotorsportsIt’s seems most folks who add a turbo and the necessary accessories, also delete a lot of other components or replace them with better than stock ones. So, with that in mind, I don’t completely agree with adding more components adds more failure and complication. On the other hand, some folks choose cheap, questionable components, but they are aware of the consequences.
I love how 2 miatas can fit side by side in a lane of traffic.
For real haha
What turbo and or kit would you recommend for a 1.6?
I prefer faster spool over crazy top end power, because you’ll stay in the power band longer. For a 1.6, a Garret GT2554 with a log manifold would be perfect. They run out of steam at 250 crank HP, but that’s still like 200 easy HP and immediate spool. The 2560 would get you more top end, but you’d sacrifice a little low end spool/power.
I'm guessing you guys are upstate. I've never seen either of you guys at the Miatas of Long Island meets
Correct. The good side of NY 😉
Kswap with a quieter exhaust or boost, what would be your choice?
Depends on your goals. If you want to stay in the 200-250hp range on the street, there’s no sense in K Swapping it. The supercharger gets the same exact results for half the cost, and a turbo is actually more entertaining than my K at the same power level. If you want to safely make 3/4/5/600hp, I think K is the solution.
They are talking either/or, street/track...their 'street'. Here in Japan, the Eunos Roadster home, we have 'roads'. A lot that are windy and mountainous, roads that are a total blast for feeling this car. Most of the county is mountains. If you're not driving in them and over them you are driving around them. Like the English sports cars it was modeled after: roads are its natural element. These guys ignore that in a limited binary view. I reckon super charger would be the choice for a ROADSTER if you wanna play that power up thing.
After driving a Miata with an EFR turbo, there is no situation in which I’d pick a supercharger anymore. Turbo tech has come so far. I make full torque at 3000 rpm, and if you’re under that, you aren’t driving spiritedly anyways.
Would like to see you guys throw a MP62 supercharger into the mix and see how it compares
I’d love to drive one and see the difference. I don’t know of any locally though.
I can predict what will happen. You will get one good run before you lose about 30whp from heat. If you can keep it cool you will be off the line quicker than the other two all day. I would suggest choosing the option Eaton TV's 900 instead of the Eaton/Magnuson MP62 because it's a newer style roots that has been tested to produce 190whp through the entire rpm, so even at 5000rpm you won't feel like you lost power.
in which case is the turbo recommended and in which the compressor? For what use?
It’s in the video!
@@NappMotorsports sorry but i don't understand english well. Can you answer me in a few words, please?
go and drive some very twisty roads like we have in the UK and supercharger wins for flexibility turbos win for power
You’re not wrong.
What are the two kits being compared? What is the Turbo used and who's kit was installed? What injectors were used? Etc? Same for the SC. Who SC was used, what size SC? Whos SC kit was installed? What injectors were used? What about fuel pumps? Etc... Thanks, I am wanting to buy a Turbo Miata now. Really need more details.
Flyin Miata 2560 Turbo vs Rotrex C30-74. Injectors are different because turbo needs more (640 min) and Rotrex can get by on 340’s. DW200 fuel pump is plenty.
Which one is faster in a straight line? In the video it looks like the turbo is much faster than the supercharged miata.
The turbo is significantly faster.
so what size turbo would i need for a 1.8?
GT2560 is a great budget turbo, then Garret’s new GBC-350. After that, EFR 6258 or the 6758 depending on your power goal.
Was the super charged Miata running a 1.6?
Yes. And that doesn’t help the lower torque numbers. But you’re not making up the 50 ft-lb torque loss by moving to a 1.8.
SC has lower torque than tubby?
0:01 - 0:49 This music is so 🔥. Is it a No Copyright...Anyone know what its called...? I may get a turbo Miata soon...
I can’t remember the name of the song. Sorry.
Why so much torque? Is it because of the headers? 4-2-1?
Not sure. I don’t have a comparison between 2 supercharged miatas with the same setup and different headers to tell you with any certainty.
Its the bride low max seats for me
Tight ah seats
Or just run a turbo and a supercharger in compound set up and have power all the time and even more at the top end...
This sounds so unnecessarily expensive.
Is the supercharged one a 1.6 with the short nose crank?
It’s a 92, so it’s a long nose crank 1.6.
Which is more install and forget it. Which is more long term reliable?
If you use good parts, know what you’re doing, and regularly maintain your car, I would say they’re equally reliable. Ease of install is definitely the superchargers best friend though. But there are turbo cars that have been boosted for 70k+ miles, and probably more that I haven’t heard of, who haven’t had any issues. If you redline you’re car and just have no empathy in your driving style, neither of them will be reliable at all.
@@NappMotorsports and neither will your car 😂
Hmm....how could you turn down all that extra torque?!! I run 260hp & 230tq on a turbo Eunos with no lag and no problems on corner exit with an LSD! Yes, the supercharger is very linear but linear on a 1.6 or 1.8 means you won't get that big push of torque unless you run a lot more boost with a better pulley. Which means a lot more heat and then you're into extra cooling etc....like a turbo car!
Great video, but it's always turbo for me.
To each their own! Turbo is definitely more fun for me.
Phil Jones, can I ask if your motor is built and what turbo you are using?
@@simonholmes3456 no it's not built, it's a stock 1.6 1991 with very good compression. It has a TD04 IHI turbo with 2.5" turbo back catless exhaust (makes a big difference to the power you can make), with a G19 manifold (very short equal length runners which means no noticeable turbo lag). I'm running 12 psi with a Cometic head gasket and a slightly shaved cylinder head (compression is only up slightly from stock). I broke the stock transmission so have now got an NB 5-speed and a built 1.8 diff with a Blackline LSD (good for 350hp). It also has a stage 2 clutch and lightened flywheel.
@@philjones5728 nice
How's the roll bar with the top up ?
Is it a hassle to close the top or it clears nice?
Where the procharge
Would love to drive one but there arent any local.
@@NappMotorsports in my opinion it would be a good project
How about you just do both
I mean if you have the time and money
The answer is neither trust me I own a Miata and unless you do an LS engine swap it doesn't even matter.
lol
Makes me realize one thing. I don't want either one! I have a 2008 volkswagen eos hardtop convertible with 2 litre turbo. My car scares people when I kick it. Much better than either one of these! Great video though! I wish for more comparisons like this on CZcams. Thanks
Thanks!
Turbo. No question asked. Super chargers are fucking rubbish.
I wouldn’t say rubbish, they each have their own benefits. The way we (Dylan and I) use Miatas for the majority of the time, turbo is better tough.
I will never understand why someone would choose a turbo over a supercharger. All turbo cars on earth are boring and supercharged cars are fun. How is this debarable
“All turbo cars on earth are boring”
K
you should get some neosporin because you just got burned
you're just looking for justification cuz you're jealous you can't sssssssssstutututututu
Lmao love that “Mr Porsche” said this when zero Porsches have been made with superchargers and boatloads were made with turbos.
4 months later, you just couldnt be more wrong. Theyre objectively better. Superchargers are parasitic power wise and lose effect as you increase rpms... turbos are the exact opposite. They use exhaust gas and so while power delivery isnt instant, it doesn't draw on the motor, and continues to increase effiency and output as you increase rpms. Besides this with todays technology turbos can be EXTREMELY responsive, making them comperable to some superchargers depending on application, just with alot more headroom. Subjectively i think turbos sound better, and speaking specifically for the miata, the superchargers often have a quite annoying almost mosquito like wine imo. For streeting i could argue all day why a gt2560 or gtx2860r gen 2 are all anyone should ever dream of, ive already typed enough of a paragraph