Is The CQI Spyderco Paysan Worth it? - Overview and Review 2023
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- čas přidán 6. 09. 2024
- Full UPDATED review of the CQI Spyderco Paysan.
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Now discontinued, so will likely start to approach nirvana prices at some point, especially the CQI version.
They’re no discontinued. DLT and Knivesshipfree just got batches. I assume other dealers will be getting them as well.
@@MF_UNDERTOWthey did! Knife Center did too, I literally just got the last one yesterday from them, now officially discontinued on their website but out of stock on Spydercos, I’d say another batch may be coming be for an official discontinued
This was my grail for several years and finally scored one a couple months ago and am incredibly happy with it. Of course I don't close my frame locks with my thumb like many do. I pull straight back with my index finger and like you said, moving straight over equals no lockstick. I am thrilled that I got one before they were discontinued.
I find it frankly astonishing that we're talking about mushy detent and lock rock on a $600+ knife. Those are not issues I would expect at that price point. I've considered getting a paysan previously, and I would have lost my mind if after tracking one down it had those problems.
Yep, same here. $600 for a *production knife* with these problems is a joke. A very, very nasty joke.
I've handled a custom Rasenti and it was hollow ground to sub 0.010".
It was ground amazing.
This thing is almost disrespectful to Peter Rasenti.
And the guy who I was proxy for, was buying the $1800 custom for use.
He literally told me feel free to use it while i had it.
Pretty wild that we're patting Spyderco on the back for fixing lock rock, blade play, and lock stick.
And the reason you said the clip was "ok" 3 years ago was because the knife was $450 back then lol.
Standard clip on $450... ehh OK
Standard clip on $650?? Nah lol
I always appreciate you guys who offer a proxy service for us overseas.
*_You truly knocked this video out the damn park! Hit on every single aspect that makes me die inside!_*
*_The only thing that I wish you would have truly hammered home was how wide/gap of a cutout the entire lockbar is!.._*
*_Taking a look at some of these new Reate's.. it is literally unbelievable, and looks like it is micro laser cut!_*
The lock stick pisses me off to no end. It's inexcusable. But there are three magical properties about this knife that are just sublime, making it one of my favorites.
FIRST: the weight of the blade. A massive slab. It feels like you're wielding a small sword in the most satisfying way. And when it swings out and clicks into place, it's just... perfect. Perfect.
SECOND: the handle being slender, less bulky than you'd expect paired with this blade. It looks like it wouldn't be enough to grab. But to me it feels fitting for a high-performance knife for someone who knows how to use a knife and doesn't need ergos that feel like training wheels.
THIRD: The low cutting plane. It's lower than the grip plane, like a chef's knife. I love that and wish more knives had it.
Checking out my new Civivi Sentinel Strike while watching this and I thought how similar these are, one premium and one almost budget. Have a good day.
I would love this knife. I’m a full titanium type guy but just can’t justify spending close to 1000$
Never would believe how much a diff this knife was in the hand - looks ok in video but wow is this smooth , enjoyed video ty
Great review! I bought some of the first Spyderco's produced in Golden, Colorado. I carried them for years when I was a Deputy Sheriff.
Carrying the same Spyderco Endura 4 everyday since 2011, purchased for around 80 bucks.
That thing's a marvel of design!
Gorgeous knife but I would be highly dissatisfied if I had paid full price for that. And I would love to see Spyderco finally innovate on their pocket clips a bit.
Yep, the wire clips were a good innovation, but the regular clips are straight out of the 1980s.
I had one of the CQI versions that I paid retail for and sold it due to the “lock stick”. I picked up one from the seconds sale for $315 and it’s got the same stick issue, but I can deal with it for half price.
That’s a hell of a deal!!!
I love spyderco. Love them. But almost every one of them I’ve purchased in the last year has had uneven bevels. Not sure what’s going on
I agree 100% on Spyderco edge bevels. I bought 3 native 5’s , 2 in Maxamet, and 1 in s110v. The edge bevel was wavy and opposite on both sides. Those should have been marked and sold as seconds at a discount. Since they were not I have a feeling this is standard. To be fair they use more steels and have the best heat treatment in the game.
I've had some spyders with a bit uneven bevels, but my latest houge deka in magnacut is the worst I've EVER seen. Like this is gonna take some serious time into fixing and the lock stick is on another level to where I'm not sure how I feel about the fixed blade I'm thinking of getting
I was able to grab one of these a few weeks ago and love it. Iv wanted one for a long time so happy to finally get one. Not happy about the price $644.00 but you can’t put a price on something you really like and want and it is made very well. I’m definitely happy with mine and everything you talked about was fixed except for the lock stick which isn’t bad at all on mine. I can manipulate it without much problem and lock stick. You just have to get it in the right place. Everything else is tight and the action is great.
I've fixed heavy lockstick like that on two of my knives, but it involves polishing the lockbar insert with diamond sharpening stones. A lot of OEMs don't grind the lock bar horizontally, but vertically instead and its often a VERY rough job (even on more expensive knives). That leads to the stick. Not saying this would remove the stick entirely on this one, but you can reduce it to a point that its no longer that obtrusive. Either way, we shouldn't be getting knives with the issue in the first place.
That mechanical lock issue is very unfortunate. The edge issue is also egregious. Wow, it is a little surprising for Spyderco, but an honest review for sure. Don't most titanium integrals go for around $600? The price isn't as offensive to me as the knife's flaws out of the factory. QC issues. Not good.
Both the lock stick and detent issue can be solved. It needs the Lynch deep carry clip. There are some mods I am considering but only after another year of use.
My PM2 in Maxamet came with a totally jacked up bevel. That was fun to fix.
Just picked up another one of these. Even with the minor lock stick, this knife is just a joy to own and use.
I’ve always had issues with spydercos edge bevels and blade centering. I’ve also had issues with their action but not as consistently as the other two problems.
Thankyou mc for calling out the edge grinds on spyderco knifes even American made knives
Wait....
So we blow off the people who want a thinner ground knife because "guys who buy knives in this price range are into it for more than utility "
But we can criticize Spyderco for a bad edge bevel... I thought most guys who buy this are into it for more than utility lol
BOTH are absolutely unacceptable. Period.
But we gotta keep the logic consistent brother 🤘
yup Ox-Gard anti Oxidant compound very thin layer both surfaces will permanently stop lock-stick use Q-tip my best suggestion told to me by another knife enthusiast cant remember who but works perfect on my Spyderco subvert
I was that guy! I thought they looked dumb ended up getting one for a good deal to resell it fell in love with it Spyderco para 3 changed my mind about the blade shape and everything.
That cheap stamped clip on a $650 knife? Um, no. That's not OK.
No thanks overpriced for what is and that cheap ass clip a knife at that price should be perfect and that knife is not you got screwed by Spiderco so be sure they give you a kiss !
Spyderco gonna spyderco
Could you file down a tiny bit of the top of the lock engagement? My XM-24 has bad lockstick and I've been thinking about trying it.
I'm a Spydie-Fan & shelled out cash for the Drunken because I like the looks of its design, but I think the handle on this one looks broken and isn't tall enough compared to the blade (when it's open). Also, I totally agree with the Lame-Azz pocket clip & I'm thinking a custom anodized Titanium clip is in your future!
Just got my Spyderco Paysan in today from KnifeCenter and the freaking lock bar is bent in to much making it even harder to unlock but I'm going to try and bend it back just a bit...🤞
I don't own a single Spyderco knife in my collection, although I've been considering getting a PM2 or a Rubicon.
Youll love the Spydee hole, it fits your finger like a smooth shotgun trigger 🤘🤩🤺
Spyderco is my favorite US made brand because they keep the pricing attainable in most cases. The PM2 is tough to beat in general. I have trouble liking any button, liner or frame lock knives after having used the compression lock as it’s so good. The difference in price between a PM2 Crucarta to a base model Shaman is absurd though, but I’d like to have a Shaman because of the contoured handle.
I agree with your observations, esp., pm2 & shaman. I personally don't care for many of the profiles (large hump for the hole) that temds to make thses a bugger issue to pocket. I'd live a shaman thought, the feel gorgeous in hand. But the price gap is too extreme for me.
This knife to me, prices out at about $400. At its current price, CRKs are a cheaper option with better QC, etc.
I'm with you buddy. I love the locks, but I also really love how there's a huge market of custom parts for most of their knives so you can customize and make it yours. I have about 400 bucks in my s45vn PM2 😂 but I love it. I have a few chaves knives and other more expensive knives at least without being customized and I still carry my PM2 everyday. Hell I even used it to gut and process the buck I shot last year and it worked great! Just had to take apart and clean it good afterwards lol
used to be a huge Spyderco fan, but as with most US companies, their prices went up, and their quality went down. the PM2 almost double in price, but the grinds and the centering have deeply suffered.
@@HappyWifeHappyKnife my PM2 is great but I've had it for like 2 years. Also yeah the prices did go up, I got mine for like 170 bucks for the s45vn version but there's an s90v version out right now for like 160 witch is pretty cheap. Also you can't blame Spyderco for raising prices when they are paying more for labor and materials as our government is destroying our economy l.
@@josephlilley9249fr bro prices are going up everything is getting worse quality for more money and it's not just knives
I just bought one from AE and it doesn’t have any lock stick issues. Guess I’m lucky.
It would be cool if Spyderco did some non-budget knives made in China to keep the cost down on some knives like this.
I just got a BM Anthem as my first integral. I've enjoyed it quite a bit. I love the look of this one, too, so I'll get one eventually. I have no doubt the secondary will have some good deals at some point. I may not use it much, especially if it has issues, but integrals are just so neat they're hard to pass up if you have the chance to get one at 'the right price,' warts and all.
I think Spyderco makes a great knife but their general shape is ... an acquired taste. To me, this one is way too expensive to even consider it, even without the flaws. My first impression is that it reminds me a lot of the Smock in blade design.
Definitely would be alot sexier with a milled titanium pocket clip to match.
Please review a James Brand Klein in Magnacut. It is supposed to have a hollow ground magnacut RC 64.1 blade in micarta scales
I love Spyderco! They were my gateway drug into knife collecting. They have great quality control in all their factories... With that said, It's a roll of the dice wether you get a good blade gring or not.
Just got my brand new paysan, guess what? Still comes with lock stock!😅 still like it.
THANK YOU! You either just saved me $644, or you've saved me from feeling bad about not buying it. I was on the fence and I'm now off of it.
I was thinking about this one earlier, but eventually didn't buy mainly because of price.
I got Swayback and PM2 instead. 2 for less money than this alone and no quality problems.
Finally added the paysan to my collection... No lock stick.. On mine... Pocket clip.. Insulting... Come on spyderco.... Love everything else..
That is apex Spyderco. With regular signature moves like production clip and uneven sharpening. 450 would be a nice price point for integral S90V.
You have to remember that the perfection you experience from Chinese brands is the result of the discipline techniques at the factory. You only have witness your co-worker lose a hand one time for a bad bevel to know you better get those bevels perfect
My collection is around 40 knives and 90% of my time now is the Benchmade 540. And I have 13 spyderco folders! Bought a Canis and a military 2 this week but still. Can't stop putting the 540 in my pocket.
I see you repping #chiefs w the shirt (reflection in the blade). Stoked for the season! Let’s go boyos!!!!!
It was a spydercos seconds sale. The reason it was a second, it had no box.
Thanks for the update. It's surprising that spyderco is having issues with the lock. I have a millie, and the (liner) lock on that is rock soild but butter smooth. I know, not the same, but not a wholly unique design. Are they having tolerance issues in machining? Is the lock bar inadequately sized (probably)?
Totally agree, that clip sux. They could have done a nice milled Ti clip, or at least a deep carry.
This is a beautiful knife! 🔥🔥🔥
One of the few spydercos that i really love the look of.
I don’t own a SpiderCo but this is one I could add “IF IT WERE AVAILABLE” ;-)
It’s available 🤫
It looks a helluva lot like the benchmade fullsize griptillian
Some of those also have the Spyderhole too!
Nice looking, but Id rather have 2 tricked out Manix 2s.
For that price. It should be made in USA
Mines a new cqi and it came with lockstick but it has since stopped after using it. I unlock it with my right hand thumb holding it, but put my thumb more towards the pivot, or further down the lock bar. No lock stick then. This is NOT supposed to be a fidget toy. When I'm using the knife day to day, unlocking it is 2nd nature. Even if there is a little lockstick, you don't notice it. People don't understand exactly what ot takes to make these work.
Also, unpopular opinion but idc because I actually like the pocketclip on it.
Good to know. I’ve got one in the mail and I have my fingers crossed that it will be a good one.
@@rotorbob don't be disheartened if it is a little funky. I took it apart. Not many pieces lol. Put it back together. Helped out a lot. I love using this knife.
@@whalehands I got mine today and it has lock stick but what you suggested helps. I’m going to see if I can try to break it in. Either way in definitely keeping it. They are discontinued and I think I got one of the last ones.
I love spyderco, always have.......wanted a PM2 for years and picked one up from the recent sale a couple months ago. It was the S90V teal version from BladeHQ. The blade was horribly off center and had intermittent lock stick that went from terrible to non-existent for no rhyme or reason. Very sad to have had to send it back.
Spyderco has excellent customer service. Did they send you a fixed knife back?
@@brianscott3762 No....I just returned it for a refund.... maybe one day I will forget how bad it was and order another but off sale it's a tough buy.
I love Spyderco but I definitely have a bunch of models with uneven edge bevels, surprisingly the US ones seem to be as bad or worse in that regard as any other factory
That thing is sweeeeet was looking at one the other day actually
Metal, I’m not sure if you purchased this on the secondary but why not call spyderco & have your paysan sent in & have these issues fixed while also assessing Spyderco’s customer service as you cover a series of videos through the proccess.?.? If spyderco rolled this model out in all kinds of flavors along with the slysh Bowie and made all the up to date improvements & priced it fairly I truly believe it would be a windfall for Spyderco…
Man I love the look of that knife and it just breaks my heart that it's not as good as it could be : (.
And yes it all starts with that damn pocket clip!!!! I mean wtactualf?! Lol
It's bonkers to me that they would take on this feat of engineering and then not mil out a dang clip for it, it would have been better if they used the wire clip if nothing else! I've never handled the knife itself so I can't speak on the rest of it but wow, I love this design so so much I pray they do something to fix this tragedy because I think it could be the one of the greatest knives ever with some changes
Would be nice if the people that have the newest CQI Paysan, without any issues. Could list the Birth dates of their knives (that's on the box). So people that are looking can have a general timeframe of when the Fixed models started to be produced.
They don't come with birth dates. At least mine didn't
@@whalehands Should be 2 letters on the box beside the Barcode. Like JV (J= October V= 22). First letter is Month, the second letter is the year. There is often also printings on the actual blade or on the inside of the knife.
I just ordered one so I’ll let you know.
@@Cid_1 they also don't come in a box
@@whalehands The Pouch should have a tag on them with a barcode and the Born on date there.
If the lock stick bothers you that much I'd be glad to take it off your hands.😁😁👍👍
I got mine recently on the spyderco sale for 353 and some change…
Yup I'd buy if at all possible pretty awesome knife absolutely love it
Ive got a shaman with a funky uneven edge but im ok with it cuz its a factory second
In stock at knife center right now
Lock stick just kills a knife. My first expensive knife was the Emerson CQC-15. I was VERY new to knife collecting. Unfortunately the criticism of Emerson knives was well founded. The blade itself is pretty good, though I found I’m not a huge fan of chisel grinds. It also has a very light detent. I’m not sure if that’s to help with the auto-open using the wave feature, but it’s really weak. But the worst of it was the lock stick. It’s horrendous. By far the worst lock stick I’ve ever experienced. I finally found a hack online to apply Sharpie to the base of the blade. That solved the lock stick, but I have to reapply it frequently, and in my opinion, there’s just no excuse for this kind of manufacturing failure in a knife that’s most of $300. The wave feature is very cool and works great, but the fit and finish is terrible.
Definitely one of there best designs. I love integrals
If I had the money and even if it hurts, I would give it a serious thought, I like the style 👍👍
What’s your thoughts on purchasing one to hold for resale down the road? Seems like an easy purchase to enjoy and sell down the road for something else. I dont see the price going down.
I just bought two. One to keep and one to sell. At the minimum, I can break even, but I see these going up in the future like the Nirvana.
That sharpening was probably done on a Friday by someone trying to get done for the weekend lol
In my opinion, the only reason to buy spyderco would be to try out new, exotic steels. Spyderco does super steel really well. But other than that, their QC is kinda iffy, and they don't deliver a whole lot of value for what they offer. That being said, i do own a pm2 in s35vn
What about everyone who doesn't have the newest version, get it right the first time.
Sounds like ONLY GOOD thing is the one piece frame, you should recieve like 400 $ Spyderco rebate on next knife, or just recall and fix issues 🤘🤩🤺
Your thoughts on a Payson vs a pm3 lightweight in s90v
I just ordered one.
Spyderco knives are definitely sharp from factory but dam they can't sharpen a straight bevel to save their life.
I own one of these, and the lock stick is pretty terrible.
The detent is hilariously too light, and the clip was replaced immediately.
Kinda disappointing for the price.
Good job Metal on video and review.Out of my budget.Not sure what intergals are out there.price wise .We all want what we want.Disapointing
when it is not right.If you send
it back will they make it right.
They should.Shame
Mine does have lock stick
Hey Complex. I own Spyderco,s love my Native, Shaman. I’d send yours back saying please fix it or give me a refund.
Frozen Sledgehammer to the crotch? LOL!!!!!! This is why @Metalcomplex has over 300K subscribers.
ohhhh Spyderco, what are we going to do with you? I love all my Spydies...and I love them even more after I replace those awful pocket clips.
Thanks to spydercos opsec program I got two at half price and sold one for 800. Too easy to flip in the knife game. So many suckers. 😂
I’m also a big Spyderco fanboy, but I think releasing a flawed halo knife to the public (original Paysan) then waiving the flag of QCI to fix it is being disingenuous. Build a good knife first, that’s already trouble free and adequately tested. QCI is for minor evolution to an already well executed product, like when they changed the Spydiechef hardware to something slightly more stain resistant.
Well said
or the Drunken I have also feel just like U bought Spyderco Awesome
I have one spiderco I my collection
N it stop locking after a month
N I stop buying them
I bought one about 4-5 months ago. Terrible lock stock. So bad I had trouble getting it to close. Anyway… ultra disappointed. Should have contacted Spyderco but didn’t. Sits in a box in a drawer now useless. (Looks great though 😂) $644. Lmfao. Everything should work perfect. Competition is too fierce nowadays to let this go.
That looks like a spydy Osborn.
The sheepsfoot griptilian blade looks just like that blade . Well to my eyes they looks similar to the paysan , a poor mans version. Need griptilian scales shaped like the paysan scales ??
I don’t see it on the dlt link nor on their website at all. (Gone in a flash!)*edit
They were gone way before this video posted
@@metal_complex aannnnnddd it’s gone!
They are still in stock at patriot knife works.
@@rotorbob yup! If I only had the funds to justify buying this.
Total shipwreck. Takes quite a fanboy to not dismiss this as a shame for Spyderco.
Ah, the frustrations..of being a retail nobody..
..that terrible edge is the first thing i see..the sharp by design blows it out of the water for $400
Its pretty inexcusable to accept that kind of money and not put out something perfect...expecially the uneven grind lines... that should be a given...
Good review but not for me.
Buckle up buttercups this could get brutal, lol.
yup its a 400 to 5 knife just like subvert