Can You Still Use a CPU Cooler from 2005?
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- čas přidán 28. 08. 2024
- Noctua sent us one of their first CPU cooler models, the NH-U12 from 2005. But how does it actually perform versus an equivalent Noctua CPU cooler that you can buy today?
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The fact that they will send you new mounting hardware after 18 years is real commitment to customers. Wish more companies did that!
Time to find that receipt
@@kevinwheeler4061 I’m already screwed
0.1% of people have the reciept from 2005
They sand him new hardware cause it's linus not cause receipt 18 years ago
@@Mitsou44 Its great Noctua still makes it though! Case and point. I had a carpet cleaner that was about 3 years old and the gasket on the water tank lid fell apart. I went on the website only to find out they don't even make the tank or lid anymore. So, the machine was worthless.
It makes sense. Heat sinks are pretty much at their highest tech they can get but motors still have plenty of room to improve
How do you know that? 🤔 There are many variables in a heatsink
Motors have nothing to do with it too, maybe the shape and size of the wings
@@thebarnavemotors can always get quieter and more energy efficient
@@CADClicker my dumb ass was like, “what does a motor from a car have to do with this?🤔” 😂😂
@@CADClicker mentioning energy efficiency when talking about computer fans is kinda ridiculous. With the miniscule amount of energy they use any amount of decreased power consumption by increased efficiency is negligible (the fans of the NHU12A have a max power consumption of 1.68 W each)
@@CADClickermost sound isn't from motors but from wings moving air
Got a Noctua cooler from a friend. Didn't even know what model is that and no mounting kit. I messaged Noctua for help. They identified it as NH-U12S and offered to send mounting hardware for free.
Well, consider me a fan.
...pun intended?
Im a fan of this fan
Fan-tastic.
I wouldn't recommend considering yourself a fan. Noctua's fans last much longer than you could by blowing on the cooler.
Ba dum tssss
And the old heatsink only has four heat pipes. Impressive that they still perform like this
Yeah, the only real benefit of more heat pipe is better coverage of the CPU. The CPU IHS integrated heath spreader, countrary to what the name suggests, really isn't that good at spreading heat. Thus on modern cou with "wider" arrange of ccd / chiplets or just bigger monolithic cpu will greatly benefit for more heath pipe simply because a 4 hp like this old noctua will not have even coverage of the chiplets/ccd /monolithic element, and more heath pipe cooler will have great coverage of heat pipe directly over the heat producing components. But even 1 heatpipe would be enough to carry the heat from a cou if you'd have a way to transfer it from the cou to the pipe, as a good quality heat pipe has an equivalent thermal conductivity in excess of 100x that of copper and 200x that of aluminium...
The new one appears to have more fins in the stack, so I'd guess it has more surface area for heat dissipation.
Could be the same thing with Car Engines, we have found the best cost/performance for heatsinks so they haven't changed that much
I'm not very well versed in heat pipe lore but why don't they connect them up the top?
yhh
Damn, this is the 1st actual tech tip I've seen in awhile 😳
Probably cuz of the controversy
@@LexonTheDragonGod have noticed his content has been a little mute ever since ngl
@@Stefan_Smith mute?
@@Muhluri Mute: To soften or subdue..
you must be a younin.. back in my day we still looked for words in the dictionary 🤣
@@Stefan_Smith sometimes you know what a word means, just not necessarily in the context it's used. like what every generation does
Noctua's product support is unmatched, replacing parts that go beyond 18 years is insane
if they make same constrution
Not even just replacing parts but making new parts to fit the old hardware on new mounts.
While still (kinda) making improvements after all that time!
We love to see it. I have a 2006 Kona Stinky mountain bike that I cracked a rocker arm on in 2021 ish. Called them up with zero hope that they still had parts for such an old frame. The lady I talked to put me on hold while she checked probably the deepest depths of the warehouse to come back and say they have a pair for my bike. I bought a bushing and bolt kit at the same time but she didn't charge me for the rocker arms and thanked me for keeping that old gem on the trail after all these years. I need to get that bike out for another ride one of these years. It's a riot and you don't see many people on 18 year old full suspension frames these days.
Meanwhile no warranty on the LTT merch lolol
Whats crazy is that 2005 was 18 years ago 😢
I find it more crazy to think that the cooler you bought in 2005 to cool either you AMD Athlon64 X2 4800+ or Intel Pentium 4 Extreme Edition can still be used today on your AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D or Intel Core i9-14900K... and that with a free mounting bracket.
Mindblowing quality and service that's unsurpassed on the consumer market for any kind of product, even outside of computers.
@@LogiForce86 This is so called future-proofing.
@@metsasuomalainen3691 Something unthinkable back in those years, as the market was still rapidly changing. The first greater half of 2000 saw rapid hardware improvements after all. Sometimes even releasing new superior performing hardware only 6-12 months after the prior release.
So future proofing was the least anyone would expect at the time.
And 2004 is 20 years ago, also 1994 is 30 years ago, crazy? What if I tell you that 1924 is 100 years ago?
I was 18 .. now I'm 36 😢
Respect for noctua still sending old parts and models. Most major brands stop selling a model within few years and goodluck finding new matching parts of something bought 10+ years ago. Keep third parts version aside !
They're not sending old parts though. They're sending new parts that fit on their universal system.
Don't think they still send out hardware to mount it on an 18 year old cpu....
More shorts that sum up the longer form videos please! I occasionally like watching the full videos, but I don’t always have time to do it! Making a short summing up the data is awesome!
What he says
I have my nh12 from a phenom x6 1055t era, but now with a 5700x.
Works fine like the first day!
Love my old Thuban with a ssd boot drive and a pcie 1x nvme it has decent performance compared to when I used it with a hdd. now if I could get that Russian custom bios with nvme boot added to flash it would still be decent work station.
@@TatsuZZmageYou can use a Clover Boot thumb drive, it will find NVMe and boot them. But don't let me remind you a 4th gen intel core Xeon E3 (from 8 to 30 bones) and a free dumpster dive motherboard will beat up on a pre-Ryzen AMD proc like nobodies business.
Also goes for 2nd and 3rd gen to some extent. Can get the motherboards for 15 and quad core 3.5Ghz+ chips under 20. Save your RAM and move it over.
I kinda wish I kept mine but I have only had water coolers for the past 12 years.
This makes paying the extra premium for the Noctua tax so much more worthwhile. You know the company stands behind the integrity of their products over the long run.
This is the kind of short I like to see from LTT.
r u calling Linus short?
Most noctua coolers also allow you to mount 2 or even 3 fans as well, so you may find even better performance by adding a second fan instead of simply replacing the one that's there, in a push-pull configuration.
TL; DR - physics haven’t changed in the last 2 decades 🎉
The physics of the cooler certainly did lmao.
@@rolandfischer931 Nah, it's still the same basic design, just slightly tweaked. Still using much the same heat pipes.
@@wolfie54321 I said the physics of the design, not the shape of the design. It has increased its cooling ability, which is the physics I am talking about. So no, the physics of the cooler have indeed changed.
@@rolandfischer931 What physics have changed? It's literally still heat pipes, just more of them, and maybe at most they improved a couple of interfaces. Same physics, just more of it. When we say the physics have changed, we generally mean the underlying behaviour has changed (e.g. a heating element heater vs a heat pump heater, they're trying to do the same thing but with different physics).
@@wolfie54321 no, that's not what I mean, but that's okay! You're welcome to your opinion on what physics are.
Almost couldn't see Linus behind that giant heatsink
Hey, I'm just glad that he didn't drop it. 😆
Now imagine that he used a big noctua cooler :')
I'm still using my CoolerMaster EVO 212 till now.
Same here! I did order one of their newest fans, but it did not improve the cooling by much.
I wish they'd release a new version of the D15. It's no longer the best of the best and 35 dollar air coolers like the phantom spirit get pretty much the same performance. They need to step up their game because I have no reason to buy a d15 when alternatives are so much cheaper
They've been working on a new cooler and especially fan (as you can see in this example it is often the majority of a performance increase) for the last 8 years. They had a lot of information on it in their CES booth this year that was covered by various outlets
Name an air cooler better than the d15
@@samson_the_greatdeepcool assassin 3, just watch gamers nexus review. I know it's hard for you to watch anyone other than the noctua shill but there are much better coolers out there and the d15 just isn't enough for modern processors
@@samson_the_great Visit GN comparison of air coolers and you'lld find Thermalright peerless assassin and Deepcool Assassin to edge out the D15 for a lower price too boot.
@@nanotyrannus5435 interesting, I wasn't aware of that I didn't really watch CES coverage this year
Still rocking my Noctua C12P, from 2008! Been with me through 3 different systems, and indeed Noctua provided me with new mounting hardware for free!
Love it when great advice can be given to reuse the older product. 👍
So proud to be Austrian right now 😊
Really shows that airflow should be the number one priority when it comes to cooling. Just swapping my case allowing me to put 3 extra fan (and get rid of all the dust built up) dropped my temp by 10°C. I went from a toasty 103°C VRAM (3090 reference) to a warm 90°C. Still not comfrotable with those temps though, can't wait to go full custom watercooling to fill that EVO XL
Correct. Put a 60W incandescent bulb in a sealed metal box with no airflow and try not to singe your fingers an hour later. There are many ways to get rid of the heat coming off of the heat sink. But even the smallest 1 inch fan in a laptop is orders of magnitude better than nothing. If it's done correctly, you can get by with almost no fans.
Also, pro tip from an old system builder:
Those fan grills on the rear of cases are required by the government as a safety feature. Take a Dremel to a new case and cut it out. Put in one of those round wire fan guards instead. This will lower noise significantly as well as improve airflow as the fan isn't crammed against the screen, increasing wear and back-pressure.
@@josephoberlander no worry, it is watercooled now and everything never go above 70°C (vram included). I'm not putting a dremel anywhere near a case this expensive anyway, I rather put some spacer between the fans and the frame/rads
@@guillaumejoop6437 That doesn't really help with the poor design, IME. What should be there is a nice open circle and you then put in a finger guard/grille with the fan. But you know how manufacturers are litigation-adverse. So they just stamp tiny holes in the metal as if that's really an "opening". Often, with a bare case, it takes a few minutes at most to cut out a nearly circular hole out of the grid. Then a little sanding and it looks like it was built that way. Easy 20-30% better airflow. As a benefit, your fan noise will drop by 30%, typically, as a lot of it comes from back-pressure and the fan struggling.
Note that all fan ratings are based on it hanging suspended in open air, so anything you do to impede it greatly shortens its life, adds noise, and lowers efficiency.
LOVE THIS VIDEO!
I have an old Noctua heatsink and I will definitely be buying a new fan for it, rather than replacing it, now that you have shared these results with us.
This was actually one of the most useful tests I've ever seen you do
To be fair, the heat sink itself isn’t really a marvel of engineering or technology. It’s just using physics, a bunch of metal surface area to dissipate heat. Not much needs to change from the OG design
Yeah, that 4th heatpipe is probably doing the majority of that 3 difference
Everything is "just using physics;" Physics, being the study of matter, energy, and whatnot, encompasses everything. Therefore, it cannot be determined that something isn't "a marvel of engineering or technology" because it's just using physics, because everything is governed by physics and all things designed with it in mind.
The science around thermo-fluid dynamics, specifically relating to finned surfaces/heat sinks can definitely be categorised as a marvel of engineering and technology, although the understanding has been pretty advanced for quite some time so I can somewhat see the point you're trying to make. The design is inherently a balancing act between surface area and flow rate, and because of standardised fans & mountings there's not much scope for advancement in heat sink efficiency. The main benefits will come from improving overall flow rate, which is why a fan upgrade will usually provide better returns than a heat sink upgrade.
So if its not marvel of engineering please tell us how those pipes works exatcly?
so is the fan lol
It looks like the first fan on this short that was used on the old heatsink is a newer fan that is specific to case fan cooling made by Noctua rather than the original fan. If that’s the case (no pun intended), then of course the performance would be far worse than something that is made for higher pressure. The NH-U12A is also a push-pull configuration
We used the exact configuration that Noctua sent us when we reached out to them requesting items for this Short, so the fan that's on the old cooler is what they gave us with it.
You can also see the same fan here in this article: bjorn3d.com/2006/10/noctua-nh-u12f-cpu-cooler-nf-s12-1200-fan/
Yeah who in their right mind would put that volume optimized fan on the heatsink lol
@@LinusTechTipsinteresting! I looked it up and the fan I thought I saw is the NF-S12A which seems similar to the old design. I wonder how the two compare as case fans.
I don't know the difference I just want them to make an A14x25mm like their rep promised they would 2 years ago.
The great thing is you dont even need a receipt, just having a piece of paper with your name and the date or smth like this is enough. Bought my nh d14 2nd hand and got the mounting kit for am4 for free :P
Also made some great experiences with noctua's customer service.
Instantly went with a noctua cooler on our new pc, that's how you convince customers, great service
So how about old fan on new heatsink?
That's actually a really great tech tip !
That Noctua will send you a mounting kid for FREE 18 years later has to inspire a lot of confidence in their customers. That's S-Tier, Noctua.
Found the same cooler in an old gaming computer from one of my brothers, emailed Noctua support and got an AM4 mounting kit in the mail for free, and mounted it on my R7 3800X, works a treat! Noctua support is top tier!😁
Linus, this is a safe space, you can admit if this video was just advertising for the noctua screwdriver.
Nah I'm kidding this makes sense since a heatsink isn't something extremely improbable, as shown by only having a 3° difference.
Noctua will always dominate
Still got that exact cooler myself and it’s just moved over to my rebuild on 1700. I had it on 1155 and possibly one before that, my invoice is long lost though so I did have to buy the 1700 mount. Still not upset, it’s amazing that I can still use the same cooler across multiple generations. It’s how things should be.
I'm still using my old cooler from well over a decade ago. Noctua was really fast sending the new mounting kit as well and I have no reason to ever use any other coolers than those from Noctua. It was not cheapest, but it was among the best and over the years I have even saved money by using the same heatsink over and over again.
Cool 👍🏻
I usually hate it when YT recommends "smaller" channels to me, because their quality is mostly trash, but I didnt even realize i wasnt watching someone with hundreds of thousands of subs until you said you arent even monetized! Immediate subscription! Keep up the good job!
This is the first short that I’ve ever watched that actually makes sense and it’s helpful 🎉
I'm very happy my Noctua. IT is the best thing I purchased. The fans are rock solid never had any problem. Using more than 9 years.
Even if your proof of purchase has gone missing, the parts are easily and cheaply available. I ended up going that route, since I also needed parts ASAP and didn't want to wait on support.
I've got a NH-U9B SE2 that started it's service life on an LGA775 Core 2 Quad system sitting on top of my 5800X3D right now! Yeah it cost more up front, but it's still going and even has AM5/LGA1700 support, where a LGA115x cooler I bought from another brand is a fancy paperweight now and I had to replace it with an entirely new cooler when I upgraded that system. And when that system comes due for an upgrade, that newer non-Noctua will probably become a paperweight too, while the U9B will probably still be goin' strong.
I'm using 2008 NH-U12P with 2 NF-A12x25 fans and it works like charm.
Noctua is the absolute GOAT my MOBO didn’t support the additional cables they sent me for “smart-silent fans” (it’s dead silent without them anyway) and I contacted customer support and someone kept up rapport with me until I ran through every option and eventually got it working by removing their smart cables. They even sent me a bonus owl sticker and my cooler came with every type of additional mounting accessory you would need. Best purchase I’ve ever made for my PC I can’t vouch enough. I love you noctua
My proof of purchase a picture of the cooler... I don't have my cut out UPC after all this time.
I remember when I first used the original on an old build. It was cheap and worked so freaking amazingly good!
Noctua will send a free mounting kit for a product that’s 18 years old? MASSIVE RESPECT. I will definitely buy from them. This is what customer care is all about.
Nice video, you've earned yourself a new fan 🎉
I recently donated an ultra budget build to a family in need consisting of a dirt cheap OEM Core i3 10100 and a 20 year old Thermalright XP-90 (circa 2004) I found in storage that I adapted to fit with old water block mounting hardware. The CPU maxed out at a very quiet 55C, and they are very happy with how fast their "new" computer is. Love knowing that a heatsink I bought 20 years ago is now responsible for introducing a new generation of kids to computers.
Never throw old heatsinks away! Adapting them is easy with a little ingenuity, and if they dissipated 100W in 2004, they can dissipate 100W in 2024 too.
I literally just received my free mounting upgrade for my 8 years old cooler! Awesome
I did this for a pc I picked up that was destined for the trash. It was an old x58 board with a toasty i7. Swapped in a xeon and put a Noctua fan on, and it dropped 30°-40°C.
This is great info, I knew Noctua did the mounting kit thing but I didn't know the performance differences were that big.
I had every intention of reusing my old Noctua cooler from my i7-950 on my new i5-13600K but the brackets didn't match and I didn't know you could get replacement modern brackets. I was also very impatient about completing my new build, as I also reused my GPU, PSU, DVD, and SSD. All those components much newer than the MoBo. Ended up with an absolutely gorgeous NH-D15S Chromax Black, and spending way more than I needed to. I don't care, I love it.
Noctua deserves their reputaion, each of my fans are Noctuas (even the GPU, I removed the old fans and installed Noctua fans). I love their products.
I love little quick bits of info like this! Super cool
Considering their support for years to come, I'll gladly to buy their products for my next PC build
Noctua have always been a fantastic brand. I’ve never once regretted any of their purchases.
That's a quality Short LTT 👌👌
It's rare nowadays to see a company that actually cares about it's costumers (or at least treats them well), like Noctua
Scythe is the other one I know of in this category. Excellent support.
Condolences and best wishes to everyone around yall
This is one of the most useful pieces of information ever... regarding PC parts...
I have a Scythe Cooler from 2005 the original fan died in 2010. Scythe sent a replacement fan that is still kicking butt today in my OpenSense Router.
This may seem silly, but to people out there (like myself) buying and retrofitting older Office OptiPlexes and other OEMs, saving $10 here, $20 there, another $15 enables us to keep our prices low enough to where its worth it to buy a prebuilt from someone like me.
Same reason I am using the NH-D15S, now on its third system (AM5). I did need new mounting brackets and while I had the receipt, it would be shipped from a different EU country and it would take about a week.
So since I needed some new thermal paste and some other stuff as well, I just went and bought the kit anyway. It's not that expensive, but I very much appreciate the fact that they stand by their products so long and actually make new mounting hardware which supports the old products.
If they were like most other companies, new coolers would use slightly different mounting brackets so they could force people to buy new coolers.
The fact that Noctua will send you new hardware for an 18 year old heat sink speaks volumes about the company
I have a dual radiator noctua, with the 2 fans and 1 exhaust on the back, seems overkill but my room in the summer gets waaaay to hot. Only running a Asus 1060 6gig for graphics, aside from the Graphics card which honestly holds like a champ (love those old turbo designs) The radiator with just air cooling which is basically just swapping hot air for hot air in the summer i barely see a difference, they work SO WELL. Love Noctua and proudly slapped the sticker emblem on my PC.
actually crazy customer support, good shit noctua
Those few degrees can mean alot when you are computing like a professional or even gaming like a person does nowadays you have those either 3 or 8 degrees mean alot plus that company is what you call a good company if they are sending out a piece of their new equipment for absolutely nothing if you show a receipt from when you first got a new fan from them and I can guarantee that most of the computer master race builds a new computer or just does it anyway most people will have those receipts just like I always keep stuff like that because you never know when they might come in handy and just look at that they are doing something that someone like Amazon would not do that for their customers. I actually am very impressed with the company and customer service. So notua keep up your amazing work and hopefully showing this on ltt they get loads of sales and new customers and maybe you might get some kind of new offer for absolutely nothing. Love the video's LTT been watching for probably 10 years now and will keep watching but it is when you see new shorts at 11 am in the morning I am then hooked until 3 in the morning and then thinking about whether or not I should go to work that day and just keep watching until I get a amount of videos of what I have missed over the last 6 months and then find out I haven't even seen 3% of the video's I am actually missing most the time. Linus please slow down on the new content so I can catch up with you and that is not including the live chat that go on for absolute hours and I am trying to cram in all this stuff but can't and I have had to much coffee I need to go to bed lol
I'm SO happy you tested a fan swap, wayyyy to many IN DEPTH reviews neglect that part
Noctuas customer service really is incredible.
I can confirm. Took an old heatsink and bought a good fan, works nice. An heatsink is still just an heatsink at the end of the day
This just goes to show how consumer friendly Noctua is and has been...
nh-d15 user here on i5-13600kf and the fans+heatsink works charms. love Noctua
Cheers. Gives me the confidence I need to keep my old big cooler I bought new to sit on my 8700.
A true tech tip. We need more of things like this
This is one of the most informative channels ever.
I requested mounting hardware for mine like year ago, everything went perfectly and the damn thing works perfectly... it's amazing value for money! I'll buy 2!
Just seeing the short thumbnail I was going to say "Yes, if its Noctua", and look it is.
love the time taken for extra testing to see how the heatsink its self preformed
I gave one of these to my friend. I didn't have the proof of purchase but still got a free kit!
And that... you just got yourself a new fan aswell.
Subscribed❤
Not too surprised about the fan difference tbh. A heatsink is basically just a bunch of metal fins, and the principle for that design has been known for a very long time. Conversely, motor technology has improved a ton in the last 20 years, as has manufacturing for things like fan blades
we need more of this kind of lookout videos :)
I have a Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme from 2006 that I still use in an i5 system, bought the mounting adapter for €11 and it keeps the i5 CPU at 25’C during idle with 44’C max with fans on quiet. Amazing product.
Okay, that brown Noctua edition screwdriver is dope
Damn 18 years, almost as long as Noctua has been working on its next-generation 14 mm fan
I am sorry but we NEED content like this. Thanks for keeping us right and financially aware, Linus 😁👌🏾
reason why the new cooler preformed 3C better than the original one is due to the copper heat pipes layout the new ones spread the heat more over the aluminum fins. the old one send it all in 1 area. which is the main diffrence
I still have my Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme from back then. It was the absolute best air cooler ever made for several years at least.
The laws of physics are the same now as they were in 2005
"....but first" I was expecting, "a word from our sponsors".
the whole video is that , you think they get noctua coloured screwdrivers for no reason?
I'm still using my Noctua hwat sink and fans from 2014. They are top notch in terms of quality.
This actually makes a lot of sense when you consider the improvement to the internals of heat pipes improving the temps by about 3C and the new Noctua fans showing in their own testing a 5C delta improvement over their old fans all of this makes a lot of sense.
Noctua, great customer support, great products, and innovation for years now. This video wouldn't be the same as with some other manufacturers.
These are very valuable videos to put out
Keep in mind that the original Noctua U12 didn't come with any fans included. Noctua only started making their fans a year later after the U12 was released. I think the U12F was the first 120mm cooler to have a fan included from Noctua.
Noctua is, probably, the best brand out there. Love their products
I bought a NH-U14S nine years ago and got my free LGA 1700 mounting hardware just last week. This is real.
I have re-used my original Scythe Ninja for several builds. It was designed to passively cool up to a 95W CPU and is laughably overkill for modern CPUs. A new fan and it works great. The extremely wide fin spacing makes it very quiet and allows you to use the rear fan to pull air through if it's within an inch two.
The amount of heat pipes on the new cooler makes me think a fan upgrade would be extremely beneficial.
Wow, that Noctua girl gets everywhere.
Noctua rocks. I have bought dozens of these and even more fans. If anyone is wondering whether to liquid cool or Noctua, go with Noctua.
I am running a Thermalright Macho HR-02 I bought in 2012 on my Ryzen. They also sent the new mounting kit, but for a postage fee after seeing the original receipt.