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- Jose Altuve hits a potential home run, but a fan interferes with Jackie Bradley Jr. as he was attempting to make the catch
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Hey, MLB description department, that's not Jackie Bradley Jr.
It’s Xavier Bogarts duh (joke)
I love how later in the series he eliminates any doubt of whether he could make that catch.
When did that happen?
@@kevinbradshaw1420 this was so long ago but I remember he robbed a home run later in the series similar to this play
@@TheRealGamebreakaDroid possible. This was the second to last game. Benitendi made a good play to end the series.
it was literally the next game
How about MLB just implement that stadiums have all fan seating 5 feet behind the wall, that would eliminate any interference issues easily and we wouldn't have to worry about this debacle.
How about making all outfield fences 10' tall with a yellow line at the top.
until then shut up and figure out how to win 3 more games
I don't see any fans sitting in their seating. Fans stand -- especially on such a hit/play. Moving the seating back 5 feet would not have affected the outcome here. At the cost of hundreds of first row seats 5 feet closer to the field of play. That's why we have umpires in life -- to make close calls.
Completely agree. - Red Sox fan
yet it wasnt interference. Did you not see the ball bounce off his CLOSED glove?
Looks like the Astro fans interfered with his glove. I'm confident the ball would have been caught had fans not tried to get it.
Jim Davis But if I’m not mistaken, if he’s clearly reaching beyond the field and into the stands (which I don’t think he was - and since the umps know the rules better than I do and had a better look than I did, I trust their call), it doesn’t matter.
True. My point was that had the ball been caught unimpeded, it would have been a great catch, an out, and there wouldn't have been this controversy. I'm basically saying had he not been in a position to catch the ball, like the leap was short or he misjudged the angle, I can understand the Astros feeling robbed. In this way, I don't think they would have gotten a home run, so the call didn't hurt them. But they made the call, the game is over, and it is what it is.
@Jim Davis There was no interference. It only takes place if the fielder is on the field of play AND the fans reach over the wall to catch it. That didn't happen here. The fielder was airborne, reaching over the fence, not on the field AND the fans in question didn't reach over the fence. The guy in the white shirt wasn't in a position to do anything. The fan in the orange didn't make contact with the glove and the fielder closed his glove early WITH NO CONTACT WITH THE FANS. The fan in dark grey was in the proper position to make a defensive catch to protect himeself and he didn't reach over the wall.
Oh there was definitely interference, on that all non-retards agree. The question is whether the interference was an automatic out (if the fan was in the field) or out at the umpire's discretion (if the ball was in the loosely-defined no-man's-land between the stands and the field of play and the umpire decides there was clear intent to interfere) or if it was clearly over the wall and the fans had the right to the ball.
When there's a gray area catch like this the umpire has wide discretion. The ball was in the twilight zone the rules don't really cover, kind of just barely to one side or the other of the line. West felt that since the ball wasn't clearly out of the field yet the ball was in play, had not yet entered the stands. In the absence of proof to the contrary, his ruling stands. It's as simple as that.
@@hagamapama
It was clearly in front of the wall, so the part of the rule that is applicable, is this:
"However, should a spectator reach out on the playing field side of such fence, railing or rope, and plainly prevent the fielder from catching the ball, then the batsman should be called out for the spectator’s interference."
When the ball came down and got to Betts' glove he hadn't even contacted the wall yet. You can tell when he finally hit the wall by looking at when the padding wrinkles. He was clearly still in the field of play by a foot or more and so was his glove when the ball came down. The fans reached out and interfered.
Look at Mookie’s body. He appears to be a foot or two from the wall when the fan touches his glove. After the touch, he then glides those few feet into the wall. Also, the left arm of the guy in the white shirt is at the wall, use that as a gauge, You then see his right hand reaching out beyond it. Looks like interference to me.
You would think that in this day and age with replay review, they would have a side angle shot of it.
@Vincent Cuttolo It has happened before. 1996 Yankees and Indians. Jeters HR. Jeffrey Maier reach into the field of play. He was a 12 year old kid. They ruled it a hr and the kid became famous for it. They have a side angle shot of it. And that was before replay started. I remember it because I'm a yankee fan as I was watching the game on TV when it happened.
@Vincent Cuttolo Yes, you're right. It was the orioles. I must be getting old. Haha. I was just saying that at that time without replay they had a side angle of it. And today, where they use replay, they don't. I know its not a play that happens often but you would think there would be a better angle with today's technology and all.
@Vincent Cuttolo The funny thing is, when they first introduced replay to baseball, they only used it to review home runs. It's ironic that there's not a better angle for this particular play. Maybe it's the configuration of the stadium. Who knows.
Citizens Bank Park has one
They did but a security guard was blocking the view
If it was interference (and being a Yankee fan, I thought it was interference), why wasn’t the fan(s) ejected? That’s the MLB rule.
They were.
To me: It was an great call, without grabbed by the fans after they touched the ball.
It was called an out, all thanks to Joe West!!
Had no dog in the fight for this series, but if there is no interference Bett's makes that catch. Either way, it's an out.
Reviving your 2 year old comment as I mentally prepare for the rematch lol. I agree, he would have made the catch. However, is he reaching into the stands? If so, does a fan have as much right to the ball as the fielder once the ball is passed the fence? That's the real question. But we never got a clear angle so it's all hypothetical
Whether Betts can make the catch or not is irrelevant to the fan interference call. The question is whether the ball was in the field of play when the fan touched it which it obviously was not.
@@Video_depot you see it as obviously not? I see it as inconclusive. But if it is so borderline and definitely not egregious by the fan, then Joe West had no right to call this fan interference on the field.
@@bhahnable my opinion is ilanything over a wall or line is fair game for anyone, player or fan alike. What are the fans supposed to do, dive out of the way on top of each other?
The key to watching this play is the guy in the white shirt. Starting at second 56. His left hand is planted on the wall the next few seconds reveal that his body is pitched forward. Considering his hand is on the wall and he is leaning forward --- his right hand is in FRONT of the wall. The guy in the blue shirt and the orange shirt - there hands are in front of white guys shirt. They impacted Mookies' glove in the field of play.
It's difficult to see if the glove clearly went over the fence. I thought it did at the time, but am not sure. It looks very close, and the camera angles do not show it definitively. Perhaps the outfield walls should not be that close to the fans in the bleacher seats. What a way to make an out.
Freeze it @:57 seconds and study the distance from the outfielder's body to the wall. Look at the ball in relation to the wall. Notice the glove is already forcibly closed by the fans hands. This ball was in the field of play. Correct call.
Yeah, if you look at the guy in the white shirt (on the right) - he has his left hand on the wall. Then he leans his body over and reaches his right hand out. At this point, he's leaning over the wall.
When Mookie hits the other hands, the dude in the white shirt's hands are right there. So if you use his hands as a point of reference, you can see that all the other hands were over the wall.
There's no doubt the dude in the white shirt had his hands over the wall. His body was leaning right at the wall. He had his left hand holding onto the wall, and he was leaning his body over AND reaching out his right hand. And everyone else's hands were right where his hands were.
If you see at the end, the dude in the white shirt almost fell over the wall due to him lunging at the ball. Dude almost scaled that wall. He was lifting up his left leg ready to go over the wall. I'm glad he didn't fall over.
Pause it at 0:56, that fan in the white shirt's hands were clearly over the wall. No doubt about that. And his hands were in the same position as everyone else's.
The angle of the camera wasn't right down the line of the wall. It was at an angle and his hands were pointing right at the camera so there's no way the dude in the white shirts' hands weren't over the wall.
Yeah you're an idiot or maybe just blind if you think that Mookie closed his glove before the fan made contact. That is pretty easy to see... Irregardless of that though, mookie, the glove, and the ball are in the field of play. Look at what @jim track noted at 57 seconds. Mookie is a solid distance away from the wall with his arm outstretched to top of the wall. All those fans reached over into field of play. Even if it was close, fans should never reach over. Fan interference no question. Correct Call.
That angle makes it seem as if the first row is directly on the wall and that there is no walking space in front of them. If thats the case, then how did they even get to their seats let alone get up to use bathroom or get refreshments???
@@cbenji07 because they saw a ball coming there way and they got up to the wall. How ridiculous can you be? Have you ever been to a ball park? People get out of their seats all the time to try catch HR and foul balls. That. Is. What. They. DID. And they fucked the Astros over.
@@jacoboneil9406 This is the playoffs people stand in front of their seats the whole game. You can tell by looking at their positon to the people standing in front of their seats in the row behind that they are standing in right in front of their seat not on the wall like you are trying to claim.
Steve Bartman the 2nd in the stance. LOL!
Steve bartman you got company.
The batter that hit the "Bartman ball" ,should have been called out because of interference. Bartman reached into the field of play to catch the ball. It makes no difference that he was a Cubs fan. The umpires missed the call.
It's not really the same. In Bartmans case they never made the call and he basically tried to hurt his team by stealing a catch. Here the fan tried to help his team and really just got caught.
steve b, I think you missed the entire point of my comment. I'm' not saying if it was or wasn't interference, I'm saying his actions would have served only to hurt his team and in no way to help his team, where here the actions of the fan would help his team and in no way hurt his team.
At least they got this call correct, whereas they did not get the "Bartman play" correct.
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AJ Hinch was right that this has happened before at Minute Maid Park. The right field wall is only about 7 feet high and fans can easily reach over. Making physical changes to the ballpark to prevent it would be difficult and expensive. The best solution is to add cameras to look straight down the wall to see if the fans reached out or if the fielder reached in.
0:56 shows it all. The fan reached over the line to grab the ball.
What fan reached over the line? You show a lack of understanding of camera angles and depth perception.
@@cbenji07 You're not aloud to try and catch a ball in play. What he's saying is is that it clearly shows a fans hand is over the line. Its pretty easy to see. If you Can't see it, that would make you the dumb one.
@@enigmafiresup4658 The ball landed over the wall on the spectator's side. So please do enlighten me, which fan was over the line?
That's just idiotic. The ball never landed over the wall. It landed onto the field. What the hell are you smoking? It's some strong stuff. You talk about "camera angles" and "depth perception", and you don't even know where the ball ended up. You don't know what you're talking about. Give it up already.
@@cbenji07
Stop being an idiot!!
First row seat fans should wear Redsox jersey.
Remember, the issue is not whether the ball was going to go into the stands or not - I think we can all agree it was, undoubtedly - but rather, where the contact between Mookie’s glove and the spectators is initiated. From the angle at 0:47, it surely looks like Mookie’s glove is reaching over the yellow line and into the stands, therefore constituting no fan interference. But, from the angle I believe is the most crucial at 0:57, it looks like the glove-hand contact is initiated directly above the yellow line. Had it been as simple as “hand-glove contact directly above the yellow line,” I would still argue that there is no fan interference. But, I think the pivotal point in this is where the most outstretched hand is located when the glove-hand contact is initiated. It is past Mookie’s glove and near his wrist, seemingly in the field of play. This play could have gone either way and I would completely understand it being called either way.
Another important thing to take into account is the fact that the initial call on the field was out via fan interference. If I’m not mistaken, like the NFL, there needs to be conclusive and irrefutable evidence to overturn the initial call on the field. Had the initial call on the field been “home run,” I don't think there'd be enough evidence to overturn it, either. It was a freak play, but one that any truly open and analytical baseball mind can interpret.
Psst, @MLB, your description says JBJ when it was Mookie Betts...
Also at 5:41 the offending fan has that dread look on his face. Is he remembering Steve Bartman? The woman to his left...his wife? She seems to be getting an earful from someone.
Cardinal rule for fans should be....don't go for the ball at the wall. This guy will pay the price for years to come for what? It's not worth it.
He wasnt going for the ball. He was gonna catch it. Like any normal person would. God you guys are blind. Lol
let just hope it never gets to the point that did with Steve
@Drink me At what point did the fans close his glove? He closed it on his own. What Boston has is a Boston Baked Bitch lying to millions of people. He needs to be a man and admit he lied.
Obvious interference he was not touching the wall but the hands where there which means the fans were reaching.
If you look at yellow part it extends back(on top) about 3-4 inches. Then there is a 12 inch green section connected to that. That green section is not in field of play and is likely where the spectator's hands are based on their feet position and the trajectory of the ball.
Here is the top view of the wall that dont see from that deceptive angle.
aviewfrommyseat.com/venue/Minute+Maid+Park/153/1/7/
@@cbenji07 0:56, that green part clearly isn't there. This isn't a clear call but everyone acts like it is
@@tylerreynolds4781 yes it is. You're using deceptive angle. It's there.
@@cbenji07 ok but even if it is, u can see fans hands on the yellow strip anyways
@@tylerreynolds4781 The guy you're talking about has his left hand on it and leaned over to his right, which is where the ball landed. That means his right side was behind his left hand, and therefore behind the wall. Besides he reached in front of the people who made contact.
Lol anybody else notice the description down below it's says Jackie Bradley jr instead of Mookie betts.
The correct call all depends on whether the fan(s) reached over the plane of the fence and touched the fielder/ball. If the fans reached over the plane of the fence, that it is interference. If the fans kept behind the plane of the fence then this is a home run (ball touched a fan).
Seems that MLB needs cameras looking down from above at the fence line for plays like this. Cameras are cheap now and this stadium has a roof to mount cameras onto...
Pause the video @ 0:57 Discussion over, correct call.
nice catch, that is most definitely the correct call.
Exactly!!
Bad call!!!! Betts closed his own glove!
1:04. Contact with the fan obviously closed his glove.
Contact with the glove was made, but what else are the fans gonna do? They didn't expect Betts to try to make the catch, so i dont know if its should have been an out or a hr
Great call. The fan reached over and hit Mookie's glove.
ESPN has the description wrong lmao. It was Mookie Betts trying to make the catch not Jackie Bradley Jr
Tough call. It could easily go either way due to the angles of the cameras. Each angle tells a different story. My question is, how sick would’ve it been if Mookie wasn’t impeded from catching that ball? If there are no hands in the way then he snags that ball right before it goes out. Incredible effort by a freak athlete.
Haha I love how the dude at the end says 2 run home run taken away. Never during that game was it a HR. The dude has to be trolling. How can you look at a borderline play and defer to fans? The game isn't about them and Betts should have had a chance at the play. Ripken hit it on the head and I would say the same thing if this call was with my team getting "screwed".
Plain and simple, this is interference and the umpire agreed and there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that this should be a HR. The ball even still hits Betts' glove first and never ever is at any point in the play a HR. If they let this play out with no call and review, at best for the Astros this is a double. So tired of all the bitching and moaning from people that can't even try to look objectively at situations and try and take away from such a great game on a play that was correct, or at least more correct than the call they are clamoring for.
The Boston Red Sox are and have been the best team in baseball in 2018 just like the Astros were in 2017. Please give them credit and there were still 8 more innings for the Astros to take care of it. Thanks for reading, yo.
Sure, if Marcus Lynn Betts wasn't there to catch it.
Landon Pecot well he was too bad
Cheaters
Fan interference all the way!!
More than one fan was leaning forward over the wall before Betts even touched the wall and you can clearly see his glove pushed out of the way. Also watch the fan in the middle pull his arms back and the look on his face when he realized what he had done. Good call Cowboy Joe.
I'm just a baseball fan, obviously the commentator at the end of the video doesn't get it, and says...(two run home run taking away, the astros lost)......no dude, you are wrong!!!!....one of the best, most wonderful catches taking away!!!!.
"Interference to me is blah blah blah...". It doesn't matter what interference to you is. It matters what the rule is. And clearly the fan in the white shirt, with his left hand over the wall, was in the field of play. And the other fans have their hands in front of the guy who was in the field of play. Therefore, the interference was in the field of play.
Notwithstanding the fact that it was the guy in the blue that made contact, who was to the right of white shirt guy. That guy was standing directly in front of his seat and his arms were not fully extended. But I susposed he should have left his hands to his side with a ball that was smacked to right field was flying towards his face and hope that Mookie Betts would save him.
It's funny how you say it doesn't matter what an interference to us is but then continue to say what an interference to you is lmao
this exactly. who the fuck is gonna stand there and get belted with a home run? its not like he went full bartman. lets pretend a fan with a ball headed towards his snout knows where this imaginary wall is just because the only right fielder witha 95 inch vertical leap is out there. gtfoh
I disagree. I think it's pretty clear to see that both Betts and the fan are both reaching over into each other's spaces. I think that they make contact with the ball just about when it crosses over the yellow line into the stands. By the rule the ball should be fair game for fans. So whatever happen from here on happens. In this cases it should be like a double or even a home-run. I think from this perspective calling him out is wrong. If nobody interfered with the ball it was going out. I find it ironic that they overturned this one which is 50/50 but Jeter's was uncalled where the ball was clearly going to stay in the park. Although I don't know if the rule is necessarily correct. I think I would always prefer it if the fielder had priority instead of the fans getting it once it crosses over the line. Idk what you think but from my understanding of the rule and the way I saw the play, I see it as fair play from the fan. He wasn't leaning over the fence, for sure, Betts was (ofc he is allowed to, just saying). I must say though a side angle from along the wall would have been perfect. If the fans made contact before the ball had crossed over the plane of the wall I agree that he should be out. Otherwise, it's a hit. But I saw it as a hit from the given view. Still think the Sox win the series though. Better team.
Again, opinions are irrelevant. The part of the rule that applies, is the following: "However, should a spectator reach out on the playing field side of such fence, railing or rope, and plainly prevent the fielder from catching the ball, then the batsman should be called out for the spectator’s interference."
The two fans are clearly reaching out. At 0:58 seconds. Their hands touch Mookie's glove inadvertently closing it before the balls arrives. It would have been an out. The two fans are not standing straight up. They are bending forward with their arms reaching OUT over the playing field. That is fan interference. Period. Stop whining about it. Move on. It happens.
Even if they aren't straight up their feet are directly in front of their seats and they aren't even fully extending their arms. So considering trajectory of ball which was over the wall, Betts would also had to go over the wall to catch it.
r pen so the fan is supposed to let it hit him in the gut or the player catches it? You are talking out of your ass. Period. Get over it. Talking like that doesn’t make your point more valid.
Wrong. Betts clearly reached into the stands. If nobody was there Betts or the fans the ball would have been in the seats.
Wrong, Betts never made it into the stands as it shows from how long it took him to make contact with the wall after making contact with the ball and hands of the fans. The ball, nor Betts, never made it into the stands. Fans were leaning out over the boundary. Betts was going to catch that ball. We were robbed of a spectacular catch in the field of play. Period. Anyone saying otherwise is talking out of their asses.
100% agree. It took him so long to hit the wall after the interference on that play and anyone saying otherwise is obviously blind just to prove their own point. The guy in white may not have touched the ball or the glove but he is a fantastic reference point for everyone else's hands.
To the MLB poster of this video: How is it that Jackie Bradley Jr. was the Boston player attempting to make the catch, as you state in your caption above? Please go to 0:53, and read the jersey name: Mookie Betts.
If he leaps into the 3rd row that is completely different. Not fan interference. From the replays it is not possible to know if the contact was made a) straight above the wall, b) 1" or more into the field of play, or c) 1" or more into the stands. So it stays as called.
Joe West got this one right. As Bauer said, look at when Betts’ glove is contacted by the fans he hasn’t even touched the wall, his glove is more vertical than reaching back. There were at least 2 perhaps 3 fans that interfere with Betts arm and glove. West immediately turned and gave the interference and out call, there was no hesitation
Bullcrap, his glove was over the fence!
ya i dont agree man. Yes betts probably would have caught it. Once the ball goes into the stands over the wall i think it should be free game for the fan or the player to catch it. Bill if you were sitting in that seat and the ball was flying at your chest are you going to just stand and watch or try and catch it?? They should review that rule and consider changing it. If the ball is out of the field of play and in the stands it should be free game for fan or player to catch.
BS, you can see that Bett's glove is about 5 inches from the fan's chest when they make contact. Unless the fan can elongate and contort his chest over the wall, Betts is in the stands and that's a home run.
You are from Boston. The fat old guy can't even see correctly! What you expect the 3 fat guys to get out of his seat. Is any one's chance if the ball went over the yellow line. The 3 fans actually slow down the forward progress of the ball .
Yeah, if you look at the guy in the white shirt (on the right) - he has his left hand on the wall. Then he leans his body over and reaches his right hand out. At this point, he's leaning over the wall.
When Mookie hits the other hands, the dude in the white shirt's hands are right there. So if you use his hands as a point of reference, you can see that all the other hands were over the wall.
There's no doubt the dude in the white shirt had his hands over the wall. His body was leaning right at the wall. He had his left hand holding onto the wall, and he was leaning his body over AND reaching out his right hand. And everyone else's hands were right where his hands were.
If you see at the end, the dude in the white shirt almost fell over the wall due to him lunging at the ball. Dude almost scaled that wall. He was lifting up his left leg ready to go over the wall. I'm glad he didn't fall over.
Pause it at 0:56, that fan in the white shirt's hands were clearly over the wall. No doubt about that. And his hands were in the same position as everyone else's.
The angle of the camera wasn't right down the line of the wall. It was at an angle and his hands were pointing right at the camera so there's no way the dude in the white shirts' hands weren't over the wall.
Their bodies are closer to the wall than Betts. Their arms are more horizontal than Betts whose arm is more vertical. Try common sense.
Here is the top of the wall.
aviewfrommyseat.com/venue/Minute+Maid+Park/153/1/7/
Based on their feet position being directly in front of seat and ball trajectory, they were not past that green section on top and Betts went over to make catch which means no interference by rule.
Absolutely correct call. What do you expect from these fans they want to be part of the game
@Darkwell0071 The fans were in front of their seats and not over the fence. The guy in the white shirt was not close enough to do anything. The player was in the stands and closed his glove early, he wouldn't have caught it anyway since he was out of position.
Yes the fans clearly had their hands in front of the wall
@@cbenji07
Those pictures you lined are obviously a panoramic view and exaggerate the actual thickness of the wall.
That would not even be admissible in a court of law.
The guys gut was pressing on the top of the fence, and his hand was clearly extended in front of the fence. GAME OVER!!
@mlb Change the description to Mookie Betts instead of JBJ :)
You guys wrote JBJ in the description but it was Betts who was interfered with.
Tough call but the right call
That's not even close. That goddamn ball is in the stands and the only way that's close is because Betts is an amazing athlete. Bullshit call
Based on trajectory of the ball, Betts had to go over the wall to catch it. Bad call.
@@nicholaseikelberry8009 you can clearly see the ball was still in play when it happened. The fan reached over the wall and interfered with the play.
No. Betts glove was in the stands.
It was the right call. Astros are in pain because the call went against them and that's understandable, but there's always gonna be that call you swear up and down your guys got robbed on even though you didn't. Every team has them. It's part of being a fan an actual contender. Red Sox fans have dozens of them, especially during the feuds with the Yankees.
So welcome to adulthood i guess, Astros fans. After all these years you are finally, FINALLY legitimate enough to understand the pain of the East Coast rivalry. Who knows, if your fanbase is mature enough to cope with this stuff you might even stick around and become an actual leading franchise instead of a perennial also-ran like you used to be. Growing up is tough, but we all have to do it. Good luck guys!
It's fan interference and an out for sure. His glove is moving up until it touches the fan which prevented him from making the catch. I'm not a fan of either team, but that is what I see.
Kevin Brzostek agreed
That ball is in the stands. When it’s in the stands it’s fair game. Nobody in their right mind is gonna risk wearing that ball rather than catching it. That’s just instincts. To assume he catches it and hangs on is absurd. Not saying it wasn’t possible but to assume an out is not part of the game of baseball and never has been. Why wasn’t the fan tossed for interference? Because he didn’t interfere! If Bette’s catches it AND hangs on he’s out bc he has a right to the ball as well but a fan has a right to defend himself from a ball heading right toward him too.
That ball is in the stands and is fair game to anybody. If Bette’s catches it and hangs on he’s out. If the fan, who did not lean over the fence, Defends himself from a ball hit directly at him or catches it good for him. That’s basic human instinct. If the fan did interfere he would have been kicked out of game. He was not bc that would have been even more bs to kick him out than the call. If that was a foul ball Altuve goes back to the plate to finish the at bat. If any Boston player hit that ball it stays a HR. People have the right to disagree but they’d be wrong. Absolutely terrible call and absurd to assume he catches that ball AND hangs on. Anybody even a remotely familiar with the game knows the saying you can’t ever assume the out. Boston got every call the entire series. Martinez hit strike 4 out the next night for first run of game. Umpires did everything in their power to change momentum in this series. Every single ex pro commentator after game said it was a missed call and absurd and unheard of to assume he catches that ball and hangs on. It’s possible, hell it was close, but to assume it is insanity and flat out wrong.
Ball never made it into the stands. You can tell by how long it took for Betts to hit the wall after he and the fans made contact with the ball. He was still away from the fence and the fans were leaning over it. It's interference, period.
@@jaredr991
The ball was "in front" of the fence!
Mookie Betts' glove was "in front" of the fence!
The spectator(s) hands were "in front" of the fence!
The fans were not in self-defense mode moron! They were looking for a souvenir, that's all!
The baseball was in the field of play=spectator interference!!!
#AstroSourGrapes
I don't think theres a definite angle where you can see what side of the wall bett's glove is, but you can clearly see fans arms reaching over and hitting his glove. I think you have to rule it an out at that point. The fans should know that they risk costing their team a hr in those situations
Mookie ended up underneath where his glove when he collided with the wall. Therefore the ball is in the field of play when he was contacted by the fans. They are leaning over the wall slightly. It was a good call by West. Red Sox win fair and square.
He definitely closed his own glove... not interference
G Remate The Fan did
It was interference, but I don't know if it was intentional! He catches that ball clean and square if there were no fans where he leaped.
BigSean PD I don’t think it matters if it was intentional or not.
If the fans interfere with the play on the field then intent is irrelevant. Joe got it right. That is what needs to be admired here. He got it right, amazing
I think the only kind of "intentional interference" involves someone running on the field naked.
Based on the trajectory of the ball, Betts had to go over the wall to catch it. Therefore, it was wrong call.
Doesn't matter if it's intentional or not. Ball never made it over the fence because fans reach out and it hit fans and Betts before getting to the wall. It was interference, the right call.
1) He would have made the catch if the fan didn't hit his mitt.
2) His mitt was on the other side of the fence.
If I understand the rule correctly, that makes it a home run, because the interference becomes moot.
nope! not how the rule works.
That guy used to coach my little league team😂
The Astros could’ve easily won that series. Bregman got on base 90% of the time and the guy behind him in the lineup got himself out 90% of the time. Horrible job by Hinch on making the lineup. If he had Springer leading off with Bregman behind him and Altuve batting third it would’ve resulted in many more runs scoring. Everything after the 1,2,3 could be whatever you want but he needed Altuve behind Bregman. All that on base perfection by Bregman squandered... the pitching also wasn’t able to get clutch outs. We gave up runs almost every time we scored. Can’t do that.
if it was so easy, why we lose 4-1?
also, atuve was hurt and hinch had other injuries to deal with, including those that may not have been released to the public. just not the year despite a decent season with some awful losing skids and unfocused pitching at times. this year, though.
regards,
fellow astros fan.
Hmm i wonder why they were on base a lot
@@Team_Carrot that was 2017 dummy
I’m sorry but I didn’t know if you stuck your glove into the stands it could be fan interference
I get that the fan closed Mookie’s glove, but his glove was in the stands!
Liam Eshleman yo Liam it’s jack from band I don’t know how I found you xD
Fans reached over. Ball was catchable. Therefore interference.
I like how the 1st guy identified, the one in the navy shirt, said he never touched his glove when clearly it was his arm that was extended, and clearly his arm that Betts glove hits to close it. He's trying to sell it that Betts closed his glove himself. He would have easily and quite impressively caught that had there been no arms/hands in the way. At 1:01, if you put your finger on his glove and follow it, then continue the motion as if he never got hit, it would have been right in the path of where the ball lands.
If a player is trying to make a play get away. Respect the game. Over the fence or not.
I say Betts would have caught that ball had his glove not been closed shut by the fans. But I also believe that interference should not have been called because the fans did not appear to reach into the field of play. It was Betts who reached out of the field of play and into the seating area. But if it's too much of an issue for MLB, why not just remove the fans from the equation by separating the seats from the fence to where the fan cannot possibly "interfere".
The entire point of interference is, did the fan prevent the player from making an attempt on the play? Clearly yes. The problem with everyone bringing in all this about was he in the stands or not. It's too close to call either way with the video evidence, but I believe that the fan prevented Mookie from making a play and I really feel it would be more unfair for such a borderline call to go the way of two runs on the board. If Betts clearly reaches over, which we really can't tell, then yes it is a HR. But for the evidence we have, I don't see how any ump can just give 2 runs to a team on a play that is so close and where there is clear contact.
I really think people are blowing this "bad" call out of proportion. But defo agree on the move the first row back or something to just take away the future possibilities of these borderline calls.
It's very close. The fans didn't do much (if anything ) wrong. It's very poor Texas design coming home to roost.
"The problem with everyone bringing in all this about was he in the stands or not." Actually, that's the crux of the matter. If their hands are on the field side of the wall, it's (at least potentially) interference. If their hands are on the seating side, it's not
Yeah, after the fourth time posting the same thing, we get it-you don't like the way Texas designs things.
Agreed, I think the only thing they were sure of was that the fan did cause him to miss that catch. It would have felt so wrong had they ruled it inconclusive and given him the HR knowing that to be true.
I think the one thing we should all agree on is that all stadiums should add a barrier/planter with about 3 feet of flowers or something in between the front row and the outfield wall so there aren't plays like this in the playoffs.
That’s a pretty freaking good idea actually.
Seats are money and that is all that matters
Texas doesn't believe in smart design. You see how they let them build houses on flood plains, and right next to flood control basins.
@@jakechris66 That doesn't need to affect capacity. My dad was an engineer and my grandfather was an architect. If you take out let's say the first 2 rows you simply add them to the top upper deck. It's really not an issue. There's probably only 200 seats that would be affected and if designed ahead of time and not renovated those 200 or even 300 seats can be made up easily in a stadoum that holds 30,000 or more. Now if you were to make changes to an existing stadium that could get pricey. But there's absolutely no need to have seats that close . And it doesn't hurt to have a railing or barrier so fans can't run down from 8 rows back...They can only get so close.
Anyone notice in last night's game(game 5), that when mookie Betts went back against the wall to catch a fly ball, the fans in the area backed away? See, Houston fans aren't as dumb as they look!
Huge call and right call
0:54-0:59 makes it very clear. First things first, there's one fan (the one furthest to the right in the white button-up shirt - not the one who caused the interference) clearly leaning over the wall with his hand out over the field. His hand comes back slightly, but his leg is clearly contacting the wall and he's leaning forward and his hand is slightly forward from where he's leaning - either that wall is over 3 feet thick (it's not), or it's physically impossible for him *not* to be over it.
And the other two hands (of the guy in the blue shirt and the guy in the orange shirt) are *slightly further* out than that guy's hand when the ball arrives. You can even see the guy in the blue shirt's jeans pressed against the edge of the wall, as he's leaning forward over it (yes, he's at a slight angle, but he's *fully* leaned over, arms extended out - unless he's completely parallel to the wall, which he's not, he's *definitely* over it)!
That angle makes it clear as day that the fans were over the wall. Sorry!
Those saying Mookie's body makes it clear are wrong, because his arm is behind him - even if he's in the field of play, his arm (and therefore the ball) might not have been. But *that* angle in the replay from 0:54-0:59 is about as indisputable as it gets. Unless there's an optical illusion going on where the fans (pressed up against the wall and clearly leaning in *some* direction) are actually leaning completely parallel to the wall, there is no possible way they're leaning that far forward, arms extended that far out, and they somehow *haven't* managed to make it over the wall.
Interference
Lets go bruins
I would like a poster of that fan so that I can use it for darts
It's Texas, they'd use guns
@@jamesricker3997 Lol
I have feeling this will be like the infamous call back from the Oilers AFC Championship game
"I agree, that was totally fan interference and Altuve was rightfully called out." Tony Tarasco
Yup..it is an out! Charismatic amazing catch attempt!
If all the ballparks in MLB were to remove the first row of seats on the wall between the foul poles the interference problem on home run balls would resolve itself.
Or just show the overhead angles.
The problem is people reaching for the balls over the wall. It's only natural for someone to reach out arms length and catch something when it's coming right at you. Sure an overhead shot will show if someone reached over the wall but if you remove that very first row that eliminates most of the problem.
@@theguy6809 if its over the wall the have every right to, which was the case here.
I'm not arguing the call or what happens when the ball goes over the wall. What i'm saying is to put a little more space between the fans and the wall. You do that by eliminating a row of seats and putting up a railing where the chair backs of the old 1st row used to be. You do this in the outfield seats between the foul poles. My goal is to see the problem all but eliminated. You do that by creating distance between the fans and the wall.
Suntrust has bushes lining the fence.
Mookie is a Beast that was about to get catch and he was flying high and also it was about to be home run
Why film this segment without referring the rule book?
I know I'm biased because I'm a Red Sox fan, but why is this so controversial? This is one of the easiest examples of fan interference I've ever seen
The Great Mr. Gabe dude has his hand a foot in front of his gut. What is he supposed to do? Let it possibly crush his nuts?
Can't assume he would have made the catch. Ball clearly would have been a homer. That same thing would happen 100 times out of 100 anywhere with the fan trying to catch a home run ball
Jonathan Glover can’t assume is was going to be a homer.
The ball is already over the fence...nice try
Jonathan Glover nice try? Guess what it’s not. Nice try yourself. You see his knees bent. His legs have not even touch the wall. His arm is a little behind him. Not way back.
Sorry. You lose. Infact it’s now fact. Sorry.
the ball never went over the fence so how can you say it's a homerun? It hit off the fielders glove and landed in the field of play. Which is the best indication being that the ball hit his glove that had closed because of contact with fans hands in the first row that he was in fact still in the field of play when the ball deflected off his glove
@@ianc435 Apparently you didn't know the rules. Rules says if player goes over the wall there is no interference. Ball trajectory was over the wall by a couple feet.
Proper call. Fan interference. I am at Astros fan and a huge Jose Altuve fan. I have sat in the first row in both Foul Territory and along the Fence. My friends and I always tell each other to reach high to catch the ball above the fence as it is descending. If you sit in these seats, then you have to know the situation at all times. You have to bring a glove and know how to make the catch without running the risk of effecting the outcome of the game as a fan. At eye level or below, the OF has a chance of jumping and catching it. The three Astros fans reached over the line of the fence. All three fans should have been ask to leave the Ballpark. The Houston Media did report that at lease one of the gentleman did mention wanting Security Escort him out from fear of the others fans in attendance. Sad what happened to Steve Bartman...Chicago Cubs fans were throwing so many things at him all night...needed Security Escort out of Wrigley Stadium after the game in disguise. ⚾️ Troy Caldwell was wrong to walk onto the aisle and reach slightly over the fence - the imaginary vertical line between field and Home Run above the yellow padding.
Betts probably would have made the catch had their been no fans. 00:56 - 00:58 shows the best vantage. It appears Betts is reaching into homerun territory and interferes with the guy in the grey shirt trying to catch a souvenir. Close call, but should have been ruled a homerun. Shame
Right call. Mookie or the fans both reached over their side of the fence & collided. We can’t have fans, intentionally or not, fisting players’ gloves closed.
It was clear interference, but did the fan(s) get kicked out? Usually a fan would get removed for this
you can if the player in in the fan space
Here is the actual rule.
"But no interference is called if a spectator comes in contact with a batted or thrown ball without reaching onto the field of play -- even if a fielder might have caught the ball had the spectator not been there."
Betts went over the wall. This is clearly seen in the video, as well as his own admission in press conference.
"Betts said. "But as I jumped and went over, reached my hand up, I felt like somebody was kind of pushing my glove out of the way or something."
Not consistent. Steve Bartman reaches OVER and interferes with foul ball in home stadium for Cubs is not called
interference. Jeffrey Maier reaching OVER into the field of play to rob Oriole outfielder of rightful out is not called interference. Mookie Betts going INTO the stands is called interference. MLB is quite stupid and inconsistent.
Ok...but "fisting"? XD
This rule is broken.. regardless of what happened.. It penalizes a batter for no reason whatsoever.. It also creates an incentive for fans of the fielding team to interfere in big situations to get their team an easy out.. This should at the very least be called a dead ball and replay the pitch..
A deliberate act to interfere with the game is also met with an ejection and possible ban from the ballpark. Strange incentive you have there.
tnflyguy um. It was in Houston. So how is that an advantage fielding team????
@@ianc435 I think he means in other situations, not this particular instance
danman274 I’ll agree there. But not this one.
I think the real controversy here is, why does the description say Jackie Bradley Jr. !?!?!???????? It’s MOOKIE BETTS!!!!!! 😂😂😂
Somebody give that fan a Cubs hat and jersey! :D
Out
All bets are off if the player goes into the fans space. no speculations "he would have caught it" if he did not go out of play then out, if into the stands fans can hammer him.
Fans at no time can "hammer" a player. They can go after a ball but they don't have complete freedom to intentionally assault a player.
Yeah he’s not. Secondly the rule states the BALL. Says nothing about glove or player. So if he grabbed his glove??
The BALL has to be over the plane and it’s not. Interference weather you like it or not.
The guy is clearly leaning forward
Just have a wall that has a lip at the top like at Wrigley. Should have been a home run, Mookie reached into the crowd.
salty astros and stankees fans still crying ...
Crying? An awful call was made. What do you expect?
awful to the salty crybaby fans , they review that and they called it right ..
WittyBanter 96 That was going to be an out without the interference.
I’m a Yankee fan, was rooting for the Red Sox, hate the Astros....
@@GiovannMan we hate y'all too so congrats
He said vs he said. I've been watching Houston since 1963, and call could have gone either way. I hate the call and believe the umpire crew had made some questionable and inconsistent calls at critical times and unfortunately it's been going their way. Still, my Astros are down, but Far From Done (FFD), and Mook, I heard your interview, and wanted to say congrats on a Nice Non-Catch.
Whether it was intentional or not it was clearly interference. He catches that ball if no one is there. But you're right, It was a non-catch because your fans didn't allow him to catch it!
Fans hands are obviously over the wall. And y'all got that bs call when Kemp got the ball after it hit the wall and they called it an out.
@@bigseanpd7302 This was not the cause of the game being lost. And No one will ever know if he if he could have at that moment ent. I just can't figure where our starting pitchers have gone, lol. Think there on vaca.
@@jimbertido2800 how far over the wall was his arm extended?
I love watching this series, best two teams in baseball playing for ACS, what more could we ask far.
The fan in the white shirt was stretching over the wall and the guy that interfered with Betts was in the same place. The fans that interfered were tossed because they weren't there tonight when Betts made the exact same catch while other fans leaned back,
Amazing call.
I CANNOT stand Joe West! He should have retired YEARS ago, and should NOT be a post season umpire; however, Joe got this call right! Astros fans should be angry at their own, not Joe West.
No, you're just an astros fan. He got the call perfect. If you're mad, be mad at the idiot fans that caused this.
electrofymyiz I think you misread my post? Or, maybe you meant to respond to someone else. I agree that Joe West got this call right. I despise that umpire, especially given his disrespect towards Javy Baez this past season, and Yes, the Astros fans in the RF bleachers screwed up last night!
It was the correct call so hate him all you want. I will personally hate the 1st base umpire from the last LA/Mil game who didn't eject Machado for a deliberate intent to injure Milwuakee's first baseman on a bush league play. I've tossed many players for stomping on a foot or something similar. No place in the game.
agetori77 I don't hate anyone and I agree, it was the correct call. Did you not read my entire comment??
Vincent Cuttolo, Well, I am guessing that my post was too long and all they saw was my initial upfront criticism of Joe West. There is much to criticize with him, but despite that I wanted to emphasize that much more how correct his call was last night.
Why are Astros fans pretending those fans hands weren't over the fence? This is blatant fan interference, their arms are blatantly over the fkn fence. LoL. FoH.
In what reality?
Where do you see their ands actually OVER the fence line. They are clearly not. Bettes glove is over the fence. It was a b sht call, and I am not even from texas and I could care less about either team. This is not like that kid from the yankees game back when they played the orioles. Nowhere close. That ball is fair game once it cross that fence line. What do they want the fans to do? clear a space and let mookie have all the room he needs in the first row to catch it? Nah.. It was b sht. thought it was b sht live and I thought it was b sht on the replay.
Their bodies are closer to the wall than Betts. Their arms are more horizontal than Betts whose arm is more vertical. Try common sense.
0:53--clearly over the fence
are yall blind?? the ball is clearly a foot over the fence and going to be a homerun if betts doesnt catch it lol...
As a Sox fan for life, it should have been in play. Sox would have won anyway. But it's nice to finally get the calls the Yankees got for decades.
It's actually so clear that Mookie's arm never went over the fence when you see how long it took after the interference his body hit the wall. Regardless, if nobody reached out he catches it easy. If it's that inconclusive, the least Astros fans could do is not try to bullshit a homerun and then complain about the loss when they had 8 more innings in the game.
Here's what I see. Of course the guy in the white is extending himself on to the field, because of where he is sitting, he is trying to reach for the ball. But he doesn't come into contact with Mookie. The guy in the orange may be extending over a bit, but he's not the one that Mookie came in contact with. It's the guy in the grey shirt that Mookie makes contact with, and he is doing sort of like a cupped tuck catch, which would indicate he is trying to bring it to his chest. He doesn't look like he is interfering in any way and Mookie's glove just runs into him. Not the fans fault, not fan interference. If any of the other guys had made contact with Mookie, there would be case, but they didn't. This was stolen for HOU.
That guy was at the edge of the wall and was slightly leaning over. In fact, you don't even need to be leaning over. If you're standing at the edge and extend your arms a foot in front of you, thats in the field of play.
Wrong call, you can see his Shadow And His globe wasn’t in/on the wall
A shadow does not prove a point because of the lighting could cause it to be over the wall
Ever going to confirm that Altuve was safe at Fenway back in the regular season?
They need a camera along the wall. But Betts' glove really looked like he was on the fan side of the wall (slightly, but enough to matter)
They blew that call. Betts is in the stands/parallel to the fence. Home Run. You hear Betts say at 6:27 "I jumped and went over..."stopping himself knowing he was saying he went over the fence. Astros still had the rest of the game, but that was Home Run.
Absolutely once a ball is in the stands its fair game you either catch it or you dont Houston was robbed on this one
Dude, we can all see the video of the fans hands over the fence. You're being intentionally obtuse.
Even Hinch admitted the fans hands went over the wall.
play the video at 0.5 speed and watch again at 0:56 the ball is clearly over the fence and into the stands yes the fans hit his glove but his hand is in the stands they arent reaching out into the field of play
Nobody can deny the idiot fan contact at the critical position. The call was perfect.
I looked at it again, and froze at :57, and Mookie's glove is definitely in the stands. No interference, bad call.
Correct Call
The fan was not the one who closed the gloves. Its the player who closed it then his momentum touches the fans hand.it should be homerun
Such a tough call. If your an Astros fan of COURSE it's a heartbreaker. Imagine if that had happened in the 9th inning with 2 out!? There would have been riots. But I'm a lifelong Red Sox fan so my opinion is biased.
One thing is obvious: that with all the technical capabilities in this year of 2018, and money up the ying-yang, there can be no f'n excuse for not having REDUNDANT cameras and angles for proper review.
You can bet your (bleep) there WILL be starting tonight for game 5 in Houston.
The man got death threats they said things about his kids
Mooki admitted in a press conference he reached over the fence and something hit his glove. That my friend is a home run by the rule book.
David Creswell no. He said his glove pushed away. Watch it again. Secondly. You saw what the astros coach said??
He didn't mean that he literally reached over the fence. He was talking in general context. Besides, it would be very hard for him to judge that.
David Creswell even if admitted after the fact. Which wasn’t the case. To ducking late and it’s not up to the player. So. Go away with your conspiracy theories.
Vincent Cuttolo yeah where do he say he reached over the fence. He said reached over. But not the fence.
RULE BOOK
The person who interfered, your not gonna believe this, but I know him. He is my friend Dominic’s dad. Everyone in my town is going crazy because he was all over the news.
Is he getting alot of scorn?
Hey MLB it was Mookie Betts not JBJ, geez. The call was correct and there is precedence for this at Minute Maid Park.
description should say Betts not JBJ
That should have been a HR, Betts closed his OWN glove and would have never of caught it. The fan couldn't possibly closed Betts' glove, Betts closed it, christ his hands IN the glove so he closed it NOT the fan, MLB got this one wrong!!!!!!!
Yup, he closed that glove. Maybe if you punch the hand it closes, but you can clearly see he closes that by himself.
You guys live in La La Land. I suppose he closed his glove on the Bregman hit too? Give us a break with this stupidity. Fans closed his glove, end of story.
Awful decision that balls in the stands
Prove it... Betts was at least two feet off of the wall at contact with fans that had their arms extended horizontally, while Betts' glove is much more vertical. The whole point of interference that people are missing is that it is for the most part up to the umpire's discretion. Did Joe West think that Betts' ability to make the play was impeded, yes. Does video evidence seem to support this? Yes. Is there any evidence that Mookie's glove at any point before contact with fans or ball that he was over the fence and therefore out of play? No.
The correct call was made, it sucks that it went against the Astros, but you can't reach out, hit a player's glove that is in a very gray area when he is in the process of attempting a play and be given runs for it.
False
Brilliant.
Right call. Fans hands over the fence.
Troy Bartman you interfered with Mookie's glove...Astro Nation thanks you for the season ending.