CONS of Upgrading Your E-bike For More Speed!
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- čas přidán 6. 09. 2024
- In this video, I ride my Ariel Rider X-Class e-bike and talk about what a person should know before upgrading their motors, batteries and controllers for more speed. Those 3,000 and 5,000 watt kits are super fun, but might not be worth the upgrade depending on who you are.
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Do you guys think I missed any “Cons” that the average Joe should know about before upgrading their e-bikes?
Hey Raspy, question, do you think it would be possible to upgrade a scooter from a 60v to a 72v system? If so, how? I'm asking alot with a simple question i know, but even if you could steer me in the right direction I'd be eternally grateful, I've got a K8 and I love it, but can feel it can be more, its got a cheap controller that cuts out regularly while I'm at high speeds, its only for a split second but the high speed jolts have gotta go, im worried their gonna cause an accident eventually, i know upgrading to a 72v system will come with the opportunity to shop for a decent syne wave controller to cut out this issue, I'm technically inclined but need thorough, reliable information to work with to have any chance at success
@@mythoti I’m pretty sure you could upgrade it but I have no idea what the wiring looks like for scooter hubs. I’ve never had the chance to even look at one yet so I can’t really say tbh.
@@Raspyrides the batteries are all in the floor in a flat rectangular formation to fill out the base of the deck, most 72v systems I see seem built for Surron and Talaria type epvs so that box shape is kinda a hurdle unless I built it in separate somewhere on top of the deck, I have a bike rake mounted to the seat post but need it for storage and those batteries are super heavy and would eventually collapse it, I'm thinking maybe something on the rear kickplate as a possible stable and sturdy mounting point for an additional battery and case for it, the only thing I can think of to make full use of both is to keep the front motor connected to the internal battery but rerouted to think it's the rear, set as an additional trigger for a front boost when I need it, with the new controller separate but directly over the old one so the 72v controller would act as a primary rear throttle, sound at least semi-feasible?
@@Raspyrides unless maybe you know where I might be able to order entire systems for something like a Wolf King GTR that I might be able to integrate into my body since they are so similar
@@mythoti is it possible to just not use the front motor and install an extremely powerful rear? When it comes to e-bikes, it tend to prefer a powerful rear hub compared to dual motor bikes. It also makes the building process a lot more simple lol
I thought you were gonna say... "With higher speeds comes more responsitrility." 😂
I say that a littler deeper into the video towards the end lol
My normal monthly maintenance cost on just 2 e-bikes is $30 - $400 depending on what breaks next... and there's always something that breaks. I ended up selling my car to go all in on e-bike and ended up paying almost the same many months.
Got a dual 1000w motor 45mph custom ebike
I say upgrade if you want
Nice! I bet that bike is super fun
I been watching e-bikeguy,he makes bikes that go over 100mph
youtube.com/@e-bikeguy?si=7cc-A2-AoFGdeOTd
That's what I'm Gona do next
You are correct. E-bikes is just a hobby or to complement a different mode of transportation. No way it will our right replace your car. It’s fun as hell though. I am an avid mountain biker and I ride a motorcycle. Getting a decent used street bike or scooter will cost way less compared to modding an e-bike to get it to 45mph. I unlocked my e-bike and it got up to 37mph. That is too fast for a bike trail/path, especially in a moderate traffic area, and trust me I enjoy going fast just like the next guy, but something about it just didn’t feel right. Also, l didn’t like the fact that I was getting that dirty look from other bikers and pedestrians. It’s only a matter of time before they come up with stricter legislation on these e-bikes, I guarantee it, especially in CA. So enjoy your e-bike freedom for now. Also, most e-bikes suspension sucks big time compared to motorcycles and real mountain bikes (can’t believe they still use drop outs when mountain bikes and road bikes are using thru axel). I switched mine back 20mph and enjoy the leisurely ride. If I want to go faster I hope on my GSXR 600.
@@louguy77 it’s always nice to have a fast bike and a slow leisurely one to cruise on bike paths. You got best of both worlds! Thanks for watching!
Cops actual want e-bikers to go with the flow of traffic. E-bikes going 28 mph holding up traffic is worse for everyone.
It really depends on where you’re at. I think most cops want you to go with the flow of traffic but in some cities, they’ll write you up lol.
Depends if they are in need to make money for that day! The biggest problems that happen over the concern of ebikes is reckless driving! And reckless driving is also being done on ebikes that can only do 28 mph! We now are dealing with young kids showing off drawing attention and pissing off people! Geofencing is here and the goal is to get it in full swing! What geofencing does is communicate with your Ebike and will set the speed for you! You want to go fast it isn't happening! You drive where a Ebike is not allowed it will not operate in those areas. And if you think you are going to not get caught and operate without it the system will know and you will have to pay a fine and possibly get your bike taken. Sorry to say but we wouldn't need this A.I technology if the responsibility was there but it's just not going to be with these young kids getting their hands on ebikes. Parents should also have to be held accountable as well. Geofencing and new laws is here and definitely will change the game.
@@quantumfx2677 Even if the responsibility isn't there, we still don't need the technology to intrude in our lives. Young people being young is not an excuse for society to lose more of its privacy and freedom.
@@FatYokel Absolutely, but this only gives them a excuse to tighten the grip on our rights and exactly what they want!
@@quantumfx2677 The grip will be tightened regardless of the excuses for it, that's just how those in power operate. And people will keep shaking off that grip and the cycle continues. Rather than listening to their false reasoning it's better to just point the finger right at the source (greed).
Speed doesn't kill, but stopping abruptly does. - Jeremy Clarkson.
$2550 is more than a Aniioki entry level bike. 🤯 That's craaaaaaaazy!
Yea batteries can get soo expensive
Guys are nuts 28 mph is so dang fast for me. Speed doesn't kill suddenly stopping is what will get ya.
People keep pushing the limits of what these Ebike frames can handle. It’s scary and exciting at the same time
@@Raspyrides oh yea its happening in the rc world guys trying to do over 200mph its pretty nuts but exciting think that is whats drawing me to ebikes and i like to build tune and program rc cars
I did and don't regret it at all.
Same 🤙
Hi just a thought on your handle bars , I fitted motorbike straight handle bars as your type over time may put strand on your wrist behind at a angle instead of straight. PS yes more power does put extra wear on brakes and also bikes are made to travel at lower speeds any extra support ie locking nuts and brackets to take the strand will help. I've got a 1500 bike conversion kit and down hill reach 53.6 mph in the UK. 😊
Thanks for the tip! What kind of bike do you have??
@@Raspyrides hi cheers for reply bike is a 2008 silver fox dual suspension and disc brakes metal frame cost £120 back then. Bought a 1500 w kit from vander volt in UK, fitted and customised bars down hill forks and goes 40 + on flat roads and 53 mph down hill. Spent over £1500 + upgrading and changing parts. Cheers Scott
Yeah you are right a lot of cars don't like us e-bike I had my ebike for a month people look at me crazy police trying to sneak up on me
Yea you gotta always be on the lookout and ride safe!
No way electric is the way to go with gas prices. It cost me nothing to power my bike but s motorcycle ot cost 5$ a gallon so it adds up quick.
I agree! It is the way to go. This video is about upgrading a factory ebike and making it much faster.
@@Raspyrides yes I'm doing that now also but ck out my bike it's awesome stock for most people but for me I live where the roads have no bike lane and speed limit is 45 to 50mph so I need to be able to do at least 50 but not wide open throttle the whole time so I need a top speed of like 60mph so I can Cruze at 45 easy with no stress on everything. An my bike came with 4 piston calipers 203mm rotors and suron type forks.
@@oldmanebikes8392 what battery will you upgrade it to?
@@Raspyrides my boy builds custom batteries for motorcycle companies an he is building me a molicel pack 60v30ah plus I'm getting a top tank battery that's built with Panasonic cells so a total of 46ah. His name and channel is called chriscrossingwires and company is CCW. Ck him out he builds batteries for high power E-motos and everything else.
@@Raspyrides I'm going with 60v to keep weight down and using a 5k motor and fardriver I think not sure on controller yet. I might go with ASI or sabvaton to start with. I'm looking to push 120a and about 50a of field weakening
I agree with everything this man is saying
Thank you!
What is the name of the company you got to customize your battery and how much did they charge at the time?
Or you can avoid all these problems by buying a higher quality ebike to begin with that is already built, I recommend looking at the Ristretto 512 model, it's priced adequately for everything it offers, the Monday motorbike Piezo also looks to be well built.
Yes you can but where’s the fun in that lol. Plus for around the same price, you can build something that’s more than twice the power and range. There’s just something so satisfying about creating something special that can’t be bought that is unique to the builder. But that’s off topic….all that will be in my “Pros” video
@@Raspyrides
The Ristretto has a discount right now you can get for a little over 3000 dollars, doing everything you said, using the parts you mentioned the bike quality would not even be close to the Ristretto. Let's do the math, you said 700 hundred roughly for the motor kit, a little over a thousand for the battery plus the cost of the original bike, then upgrading the tires, the brakes and possibly the suspension because of the added weight, would only be worth it if you just wanted to spend more money and get the experience of building your own bike. Personally if I built my own bike I wouldn't be worrying about money as much as I would be trying to get quality parts that all worked perfectly together and create a bike with all complimentary parts that made it's quality and performance the number one factor.
@@plutobars7700 different strokes for different folks man. My last build has 80ah of Samsung cells, a qs motor, fardriver, and upgraded suspension. It has 3 different speed AND torque modes that can be adjusted to my liking. It also has regenerative braking that I can set at different amperage’s depending on my rpm. I spent around 4K including the bike. There is no comparison to anything on the market for 4K that will get you that kind of range and speed. Sure the fit and finish isn’t great, but it’s ok cause all I care about is range, speed and being able to customize it.
@@plutobars7700 52v 30ah battery is nowhere comparable to what this guy built here lol
@@FatYokel
He had to upgrade everything on the bike and then still end up with that frame that wasn't made for any of that. The Ristretto has the best mid drive motor available from a reputable company, name brand high quality cells and BMS system in the pack plus the frame was made for everything on the bike. When you have to use a jack to stretch the rear of your frame apart I wouldn't really want to use that frame anymore let alone upgrade it. Long story short, if given the option to choose one bike which would you choose? The Frankenstein bike or the Ristretto? If you're saying you wouldn't choose the Ristretto you're straight up lying to yourself.
That was very well done.
Thank you!
Great video as always. 💯
Thanks!! 🙏
Great discussion!
Thank you!
I am not sure about that. Regenerative brakes. Lock tight. Mag wheels. Steel brake lines.
Yup..all good upgrades
45 to 60 mph? that's insane on a regular ebike and that's coming from a guy that owns an ebike that does 35 stock
Yea once you go 72v, you get a lot more speed and power
Raspy can you help us get amorge to quote that same battery you looked at Powerful lithium. I have know idea what those dimensions are on PL site?
It's for a super 73 rx with the custom enclosure.
I would but it’s very difficult to get the same dimension because PL doesn’t list the measurements. After you measure your space, then you can give that to Grace from Amorge and she’ll ask for cell type and tell you how many amp hours can fit.
By the best forget the rest. Buy it once and never regret it. Trust me. Cheapo packs are going to maybe last 3-5 years compared to 10 for quality pack.
Fast bikes aren't ruining it for everybody, idiot riders are.
That’s true to an extent. There’s usually a crossover point where you pay for the name/marketing. Kind of like how a bmw most likely wont last as long as an old Chevy truck or Toyota
@@Raspyrides that's true. A company that stands behind their product goes a long ways too. In my experience the big-name brands tend to stick behind their product for a lot longer than the cheap stuff. These guys are working really hard not to have any problems with their batteries due to all the paranoia about fires. That's my experience anyway. 👍
Whats the battery pack link
Hey there is no link because it was custom made from Amorge.
The thing that bothers me. Is the guys that are breaking the law making the police look at them. And that will ruin it for us that ride by the law. Stop at the stop signs and do the right thing. Even though the bicycle has a motor you wanna act like you're riding a bicycle? So the police won't get all up in your rear end. You know what I mean, jelly bean? Haha, ha. I really don't like the police and the best thing to tell them is I don't answer questions and don't say nothing. Let them take you to jail. The prosecutor has to have something to prosecute you for. And that's why you claim the fifth.
Take care and God bless.
Yes sir….gotta ride safely!
how many miles can you ride on your tuned bike?
I think I did 77 miles before I got tired. There was still some battery left too
@@Raspyrides are these two 72 volt batteries? what is the total capacity of your batteries?
@@Raspyrides I have an idea to also build the same bike
@@Handyman_theme yes they are both 72v and I have a combined 70ah.
Don’t buy from pl. 4 fires recently and trying to sell me low-grade 273 motor
Oh wow! How did you know the 273 was low grade and where was the fires? Peoples homes?
He Don't know what he talking about
I know what he is talking about. I always have to replace parts or face the idea of spending extra to upgrade parts. And it never ends
People just buy this ebike because it is fast and it as a bigger battery. 48v 60ah battery, 1500w motor. I get 80 miles on a single very easy.
The best electric bicycle around $2000 - Walfisk ET-7 / Walfisk Ebike
czcams.com/video/2q9gTCmh1b4/video.html
Yea…That’s a cool bike
Who is buying conversion kit on Amazon? Come on
you'd be surprised lol