Thanks for the video! A really sound introduction with good foresight and valuable suggestions. Good enough to prepare anyone for a backup plan in any situation. I would have liked to see these stoves burning. We've used cheap blue flame kerosene stoves to make tea in a students hostel. Those using electric stoves said our tea tasted much better than theirs, and they had been familiar with wood stoves!
Gene, I see that you are a believer in kerosene for heating, lighting, and cooking and just purchased my first kero heater on your recommendation. A friend of mine sold his kerosene heater because it left an oily residue throughout the room. A couple questions: 1. Has this been your experience? 2. What is the best way to avoid oily residue? 3. What are the benefits of kerosene over propane for cooking? I have seen your latest reviews on Butterfly stoves, they seem great, but am concerned about fumes/smoke/residue with the stovetop burners. Thank you for your help, I appreciate your advice and have shared your channel with my friends.
PT BlueDog Hello PT BlueDog. Congratulations on your new heater. Years ago I was really turned off of kerosene heaters. It did exactly as your friend said. First off, this to me is a worse case senario; no electricity, no heat. Second, these units have to be seasoned, I did not use it properly. All the machine oils have to be burned that were created durring the manufacturing process. The wick has to be fully saturated with kerosene before lighting. Light out doors and extinguish outdoors will also alieviate a lot of the heavy fumes. Use a Mr funnel to get water and contaminates out of the kerosene. Adjust your wick properly and crack your window. This gets rid of most of your problems. The stoves are to be used out doors. Again as back up. Why I love kerosene is the way I can safely store it and use it for so many different applications. Propane is half the btu's and is real hard to judge how much I actually have available. Plus it is a bomb. Gene
Back in the early 50's, my grandparents owned a cottage out in Oxford, Ct. They had a two- or three-burner kerosene stove using the exact same system as this stove: gravity feed and burner "cans" with a wick. They also used kerosene lampsto light the cottage. The two or three-gallon fuel tank hung off the right-hand side. Never forgot that stove and now, I've found a source. Thanks for the post... have enquired as to cost and shipping from St Paul Merchandise.
Excellent video But I have to add :do kerosene It's not as volatile as gasoline but you still have to be pretty careful with it and keep it away from any heat source Because kerosene makes very big explosions too ..Those little stoves are pretty efficient problem with it is the kerosene tank is too close to the fire
Hi Gene I grew up with this stove tried to order one from St.Paul Mercantile but he said due to the virus he had to close down for a while 😔😔 do you have extras you could sell one?
Thanks for the video Gene. You had me rethink my drums, I was going to have them with a bung and a hand pump. I had to rethink my plans after seeing this. You kept it simple with the open drum and a plastic pitcher. Keeping it simple is one of the reasons I enjoy your videos. I appreciate it buddy.
tonisbro Hello tonisbro. I also had gone down that route looking at all the different pumps and such, and came to the conclusion, simple is better. Good luck and thanks for the comments. Gene
If you have the money, you can run your entire home on kerosene or propane. You can use kerosene directly for lighting, cooking, and heating. Theoretically, you can even use kerosene for cooling. Same goes with propane. For electricity, you can run a gas generator on propane. You can run a diesel generator on kerosene. You can run a gasoline car on propane and run a diesel car on kerosene (watch for road taxes for each). You can have a propane or kerosene powered refrigerator and freezer. The Amish use them. You can literally run much of your life on kerosene or propane, but it's going to cost you. Electricity will be a lot more expensive if you generator it using kerosene or propane on-site compared to just hooking to the grid. However, if you need off-grid electricity that can be reliable, it can be done. A more logical method, if you decide to use kerosene for example in an off-grid setup: directly use it for lighting and heating (unless you choose to use wood for heating). Get a kerosene powered refrigerator and deep freezer. Build a "summer kitchen" (a kitchen not inside of the home but sheltered from the elements) and put in a decent kerosene powered cookstove. You can probably build a kerosene powered oven too. Put the kerosene powered fridge and freezer in there too and make sure the summer kitchen has plenty of airflow. For the minimal electrical use (phone charging, computer and electronics use, etc), get a battery bank that can run everything for 1-7 days. Obtain a good diesel generator that can charge that bank in one to two hours and run it on kerosene every however often you need to to charge the battery bank. If you want to go a step further, obtain kerosene powered water heaters (yes they exist) for hot water. They do use some electricity though so prepare for that. For laundry, if you don't want to hand wash everything, get a small electric washing machine and do laundry when charging the battery bank. I don't think there exists kerosene powered clothes driers, but would be cool if they existed. Just have to rely on solar power (the sun) for drying clothes.
Recommended storage life for kerosene is 3 years. After that it does degrade. Keep that in mind before you invest in a 55 gallon drum of kerosene. Other than that, I recommend kerosene for lanterns and stoves. Thanks for the video.
Well, it's all personal preference really. I mean, whatever works for you, but for me I like the safety of kerosene. If you have a major leak or overheat it it won't blow up in your face so it's safer to use and store. Kerosene, pint for pint will run a stove for a longer time than white gas. It has less odor than gas. Kerosene stoves tend to be a little less complicated than gas stoves so there's less to go wrong. Lanterns burn quieter than Coleman type lanterns. If you travel outside the U.S. kerosene is much more available than white gas. Those are most of the reasons I like kerosene. White gas has some advantages also. You can use it to prime the stove by warming the tank with your hands and letting some dribble out of the jet to fill the spirit cup or use an eyedropper from your tank. I have to carry a small bottle of alcohol to prime my stove because kerosene burned in the spirit cup causes your burner to soot up and tends to clog the jets. I carried a little Optimus hunter type box stove for a couple decades that used white gas and I loved that stove. I had a couple flare ups that were kind of spooky. Having a small metal tank of gasoline on fire makes me a might nervous. But, all in all, it was a great stove. Mainly, just use what works for your situation. If you haven't tried a kerosene stove you might give it a try. You may like it.
I really like your storage method that is excellent. You shared burning in the appliance to season it. When finished and cooled do you wash and use a good automotive wax like Turtle Wax original hard shell to protect from rust, moisture, ease of storage, and to protect your kerosene heaters ?
Another kind of kerosene lighting is the "Alladdin" lamp, which uses a mantle like that Petromax or Coleman pressurized lanterns. However, it is NOT pressurized, and is therefore easier to use.
I have a couple of Aladdin Lamps and yes they are very bright and because of the way they burn they are odour free, but you have to let them warm slowly at a low setting and even then I don't completely trust them. They can over flame quite quickly. Pressure lamps though producing a hiss (I find the sound quite engaging) I trust completely and have more than six general lanterns and two table lamps.
@@COIcultist 'cept that pressure lamps can explode. The Aladdin lamps are very safe. Sure, you have to tweak them if they're "getting frisky" - but you do with Petromax or Coleman, too.
@@Jollyprez I'm not talking about gasoline pressure lanterns. I do have a small Coleman one somewhere. The gasoline ones have the advantage of not needing a preheat but, no I was never over comfortable with gasoline though I do have a non pump Optimus pressure stove. I honestly as I can say I've never heard of a pressure kerosene lamp exploding.If you have I would happily look at a link. I'd not be wanting to fall asleep with an Aladdin lamp on, but I have done so frequently with Tilley pressure kerosene lamps.
Hello Gene.. Would diesel fuel work in this also? I always store 2 barrels of diesel for use in my generstor...would love to have a stove like this also using diesel. Else could try diesel and make a video for us. Thanks
I like the idea of kerosene as a prep item know that I have seen this video even tho we store about 3 times more wood than would ever need. This is a better option I think than having propane tanks buried in the yard. But just to make it easyer I would get a hand pump for your drums. Did you say one gallon would burn for 14 hours that is very impressive I have to say.
One litre has almost exactly 10kW/h of energy. A lot of the radiant heaters (That I see in the UK) are 2kW, 3kW or 4kW and are in the high 90s percent efficient. So a 2kW heater would burn for 5hrs per litre or over 18hrs for a 1 gallon US tank.
So what’s your idea of “inexpensive”? Every time I look for one of those stoves-IF I can find it-they’re hundreds of dollars. Where should I be shopping.
interesting video, this cook stove - is there any name or manufacturer known? anywhere to buy? i know it is an old video but but maybe anywhere know something
I know you’ve put a lot of thought into this. Will you explain why you prefer kerosene over white gas? Kerosene seems a bit safer because it has a higher flashpoint, but it doesn’t seem as clean and efficient as white gas. I like kerosene and have a few kerosene devices, but I’m just wondering why you prefer kerosene. White gas seems easy to get in the USA.
Kero is cheaper than white gas - and it doesn't explode. I use kerosene space heaters to augment heat in my large and very old ( 1770 ) house. Modern fiberglass-wicked kerosene heaters are quite clean. One problem, however, is that some dyed kerosene will clog the fiberglass wicks - and it's hard to know if it will or not, as the dye requirements are not uniform.
All good except now kerosine costs $10 a gallon here in NJ. Also, you could always tell who had a kero stove at home necause of the smell coming off their clothes
I USED to use Kerosun heaters. They stink when you light them and they stink when you are shutting them down. Out in a garage, they are fine, inside my house, I couldn't stand it. Wash your walls after a season of burning kerosene and you'll see the residue in your water. Do they heat? SURE.
They're meant for EMERGERNCY heating. Not a central heating. I'd take dirty walls over freezing to death. And also it will not stain when if you use it for a week.
Michael C KeroSun heaters were big in the US for some time. Then K1 went high $, so folks quit using them. I literally could not give away my heaters due to operating costs and they went to the curb. People didn't even want them for emergency heat in my area. NE US
+farmertrip butterfly brand has a better stove. that one this guy showed look good, but looks like a low btu. the butterfly stove with 22 wicks. they have some good kerosene stove products. I don't know about this one. looks too low of a btu.
Kerosene is not as cheap as when this listing was first made or as available when I was born. My parents had a paraffin heater in my nursery it was still going strong in my teens
Thanks for the video!
A really sound introduction with good foresight and valuable suggestions.
Good enough to prepare anyone for a backup plan in any situation.
I would have liked to see these stoves burning.
We've used cheap blue flame kerosene stoves to make tea in a students hostel. Those using electric stoves said our tea tasted much better than theirs, and they had been familiar with wood stoves!
Genuinely interesting and helpful. Thanks.
BTW, #2 ULSD diesel burns inexpensively, and with very little smell in wick fed "kerosene" lanterns.
Thanks for sharing Gene - these are options that I'd never even thought of.
airbournepickle Hello airbournepickle, great to have in your back pocket. Gene
Some great info. I grew up off grid and want to convert back to it.
Great info..also avoid any condensation..water will kill your wick..I keep all my kerosene in a controlled temperature
Gene, I see that you are a believer in kerosene for heating, lighting, and cooking and just purchased my first kero heater on your recommendation. A friend of mine sold his kerosene heater because it left an oily residue throughout the room. A couple questions:
1. Has this been your experience?
2. What is the best way to avoid oily residue?
3. What are the benefits of kerosene over propane for cooking? I have seen your latest reviews on Butterfly stoves, they seem great, but am concerned about fumes/smoke/residue with the stovetop burners.
Thank you for your help, I appreciate your advice and have shared your channel with my friends.
PT BlueDog Hello PT BlueDog. Congratulations on your new heater. Years ago I was really turned off of kerosene heaters. It did exactly as your friend said. First off, this to me is a worse case senario; no electricity, no heat. Second, these units have to be seasoned, I did not use it properly. All the machine oils have to be burned that were created durring the manufacturing process. The wick has to be fully saturated with kerosene before lighting. Light out doors and extinguish outdoors will also alieviate a lot of the heavy fumes. Use a Mr funnel to get water and contaminates out of the kerosene. Adjust your wick properly and crack your window. This gets rid of most of your problems. The stoves are to be used out doors. Again as back up. Why I love kerosene is the way I can safely store it and use it for so many different applications. Propane is half the btu's and is real hard to judge how much I actually have available. Plus it is a bomb. Gene
Back in the early 50's, my grandparents owned a cottage out in Oxford, Ct. They had a two- or three-burner kerosene stove using the exact same system as this stove: gravity feed and burner "cans" with a wick. They also used kerosene lampsto light the cottage. The two or three-gallon fuel tank hung off the right-hand side. Never forgot that stove and now, I've found a source. Thanks for the post... have enquired as to cost and shipping from St Paul Merchandise.
Thanks for sharing.
Excellent video But I have to add :do kerosene It's not as volatile as gasoline but you still have to be pretty careful with it and keep it away from any heat source Because kerosene makes very big explosions too ..Those little stoves are pretty efficient problem with it is the kerosene tank is too close to the fire
Thanks for the comment.
Hi Gene I grew up with this stove tried to order one from St.Paul Mercantile but he said due to the virus he had to close down for a while 😔😔 do you have extras you could sell one?
Thanks for the video Gene. You had me rethink my drums, I was going to have them with a bung and a hand pump. I had to rethink my plans after seeing this. You kept it simple with the open drum and a plastic pitcher. Keeping it simple is one of the reasons I enjoy your videos. I appreciate it buddy.
tonisbro Hello tonisbro. I also had gone down that route looking at all the different pumps and such, and came to the conclusion, simple is better. Good luck and thanks for the comments. Gene
Where was your stove purchased from..?
If you have the money, you can run your entire home on kerosene or propane. You can use kerosene directly for lighting, cooking, and heating. Theoretically, you can even use kerosene for cooling. Same goes with propane. For electricity, you can run a gas generator on propane. You can run a diesel generator on kerosene. You can run a gasoline car on propane and run a diesel car on kerosene (watch for road taxes for each). You can have a propane or kerosene powered refrigerator and freezer. The Amish use them. You can literally run much of your life on kerosene or propane, but it's going to cost you. Electricity will be a lot more expensive if you generator it using kerosene or propane on-site compared to just hooking to the grid. However, if you need off-grid electricity that can be reliable, it can be done.
A more logical method, if you decide to use kerosene for example in an off-grid setup: directly use it for lighting and heating (unless you choose to use wood for heating). Get a kerosene powered refrigerator and deep freezer. Build a "summer kitchen" (a kitchen not inside of the home but sheltered from the elements) and put in a decent kerosene powered cookstove. You can probably build a kerosene powered oven too. Put the kerosene powered fridge and freezer in there too and make sure the summer kitchen has plenty of airflow. For the minimal electrical use (phone charging, computer and electronics use, etc), get a battery bank that can run everything for 1-7 days. Obtain a good diesel generator that can charge that bank in one to two hours and run it on kerosene every however often you need to to charge the battery bank. If you want to go a step further, obtain kerosene powered water heaters (yes they exist) for hot water. They do use some electricity though so prepare for that. For laundry, if you don't want to hand wash everything, get a small electric washing machine and do laundry when charging the battery bank. I don't think there exists kerosene powered clothes driers, but would be cool if they existed. Just have to rely on solar power (the sun) for drying clothes.
Recommended storage life for kerosene is 3 years. After that it does degrade. Keep that in mind before you invest in a 55 gallon drum of kerosene. Other than that, I recommend kerosene for lanterns and stoves. Thanks for the video.
Gregor Donnecaidh
Why do you recommend kerosene instead of white gas
Well, it's all personal preference really. I mean, whatever works for you, but for me I like the safety of kerosene. If you have a major leak or overheat it it won't blow up in your face so it's safer to use and store. Kerosene, pint for pint will run a stove for a longer time than white gas. It has less odor than gas. Kerosene stoves tend to be a little less complicated than gas stoves so there's less to go wrong. Lanterns burn quieter than Coleman type lanterns. If you travel outside the U.S. kerosene is much more available than white gas. Those are most of the reasons I like kerosene.
White gas has some advantages also. You can use it to prime the stove by warming the tank with your hands and letting some dribble out of the jet to fill the spirit cup or use an eyedropper from your tank. I have to carry a small bottle of alcohol to prime my stove because kerosene burned in the spirit cup causes your burner to soot up and tends to clog the jets.
I carried a little Optimus hunter type box stove for a couple decades that used white gas and I loved that stove. I had a couple flare ups that were kind of spooky. Having a small metal tank of gasoline on fire makes me a might nervous. But, all in all, it was a great stove.
Mainly, just use what works for your situation. If you haven't tried a kerosene stove you might give it a try. You may like it.
kerosene lasts far longer than that - it's an oil. I've used kerosene over 20 years old stored in metal cans ( unopened ).
I really like your storage method that is excellent. You shared burning in the appliance to season it. When finished and cooled do you wash and use a good automotive wax like Turtle Wax original hard shell to protect from rust, moisture, ease of storage, and to protect your kerosene heaters ?
Where can I buy parts for this stove?
Another kind of kerosene lighting is the "Alladdin" lamp, which uses a mantle like that Petromax or Coleman pressurized lanterns. However, it is NOT pressurized, and is therefore easier to use.
I have a couple of Aladdin Lamps and yes they are very bright and because of the way they burn they are odour free, but you have to let them warm slowly at a low setting and even then I don't completely trust them. They can over flame quite quickly. Pressure lamps though producing a hiss (I find the sound quite engaging) I trust completely and have more than six general lanterns and two table lamps.
@@COIcultist 'cept that pressure lamps can explode. The Aladdin lamps are very safe. Sure, you have to tweak them if they're "getting frisky" - but you do with Petromax or Coleman, too.
@@Jollyprez I'm not talking about gasoline pressure lanterns. I do have a small Coleman one somewhere. The gasoline ones have the advantage of not needing a preheat but, no I was never over comfortable with gasoline though I do have a non pump Optimus pressure stove.
I honestly as I can say I've never heard of a pressure kerosene lamp exploding.If you have I would happily look at a link. I'd not be wanting to fall asleep with an Aladdin lamp on, but I have done so frequently with Tilley pressure kerosene lamps.
I may have missed this: can this Butterfly 2 burner kerosene stove be used safely indoors, such as in a winter emergency?
You need suitable ventilation.
Its now 2019, how is this stove holding up?
They sell K1 Kerosene at gas station's,........great video,....its just like anything,.... you wait till summer to get the best price and then buy it.
Hello Gene.. Would diesel fuel work in this also? I always store 2 barrels of diesel for use in my generstor...would love to have a stove like this also using diesel.
Else could try diesel and make a video for us. Thanks
Very good stove. We had them in Jamaica. One burner ones too.
Thanks for the comment
I like the idea of kerosene as a prep item know that I have seen this video even tho we store about 3 times more wood than would ever need. This is a better option I think than having propane tanks buried in the yard. But just to make it easyer I would get a hand pump for your drums. Did you say one gallon would burn for 14 hours that is very impressive I have to say.
One litre has almost exactly 10kW/h of energy. A lot of the radiant heaters (That I see in the UK) are 2kW, 3kW or 4kW and are in the high 90s percent efficient. So a 2kW heater would burn for 5hrs per litre or over 18hrs for a 1 gallon US tank.
What kind of stove is that? I was looking at Perfection stoves today.
I want to buy this kerosene stove to help
So what’s your idea of “inexpensive”? Every time I look for one of those stoves-IF I can find it-they’re hundreds of dollars.
Where should I be shopping.
Well, nevermind. I found them for under $200. Actually just above about $110. That’s pretty reasonable, I think.
totallyfrozen I just bought one for $145 from St. Paul
interesting video, this cook stove - is there any name or manufacturer known? anywhere to buy? i know it is an old video but but maybe anywhere know something
Brilliant video
How to buy one,?
Epic!
FoodLifeHacks Hello FoodLifeHacks and thanks for the comment. Gene
I liked the way you explained it. But, you needed to have a food presentation with it and where did you buy that stove? I can't find it.Thank you
I bought mine years ago frm John Squires at St Paul Mercantile.
stpaulmercantile.com
Hi, i want to buy this kerosene oil stove what is the price. i visited your website but there wasn't anything about this stove.
I bought from John Squires years ago at St Paul Mercantile. stpaulmercantile.com
I know you’ve put a lot of thought into this. Will you explain why you prefer kerosene over white gas? Kerosene seems a bit safer because it has a higher flashpoint, but it doesn’t seem as clean and efficient as white gas. I like kerosene and have a few kerosene devices, but I’m just wondering why you prefer kerosene. White gas seems easy to get in the USA.
Kero is cheaper than white gas - and it doesn't explode. I use kerosene space heaters to augment heat in my large and very old ( 1770 ) house. Modern fiberglass-wicked kerosene heaters are quite clean. One problem, however, is that some dyed kerosene will clog the fiberglass wicks - and it's hard to know if it will or not, as the dye requirements are not uniform.
Grandma had one and used everyday
Thanks for sharing.
Thanks u very much. Where is manufacture.fire start now.
All good except now kerosine costs $10 a gallon here in NJ. Also, you could always tell who had a kero stove at home necause of the smell coming off their clothes
I agree.
Yo quiero esa cocina de kerosene la estoy buscsndo en caracas venezuela y no la consigo
How do you put the flame out on the cook stove
I don’t know where you live but her in San Antonio TX I can’t find kerosene
Thanks for your information
Any time
How we can get it. Can it sent courier service to sri lanka .be wont it immediately. How many price.
Try contacting John Squires at St Paul Mercantile.
stpaulmercantile.com
Where can I get one of these, please let me know
Van Solo I’m so glad I saw your answer to Claudia’s question. I just ordered one. Thanx.
Kerosene is basically diesel fuel & thats was used on farms & you can purchase it from any gas station
Thanks for the comment.
Estas son las famosas cocinas mundo
good beautiful
Oh we had the same before we used it in 91 wen bush stroke us in iraq gulf war 2
I want inform you we had a ssme type pf cooker in 1962 year.
Thanks for sharing
I USED to use Kerosun heaters. They stink when you light them and they stink when you are shutting them down. Out in a garage, they are fine, inside my house, I couldn't stand it. Wash your walls after a season of burning kerosene and you'll see the residue in your water. Do they heat? SURE.
They're meant for EMERGERNCY heating. Not a central heating. I'd take dirty walls over freezing to death. And also it will not stain when if you use it for a week.
Michael C KeroSun heaters were big in the US for some time. Then K1 went high $, so folks quit using them. I literally could not give away my heaters due to operating costs and they went to the curb. People didn't even want them for emergency heat in my area. NE US
where can I buy a kerosene cook stove like that?
+farmertrip butterfly brand has a better stove. that one this guy showed look good, but looks like a low btu. the butterfly stove with 22 wicks. they have some good kerosene stove products. I don't know about this one. looks too low of a btu.
+farmertrip look at the website for st paul merchantile. do a search for it. and that store has alot of kero products
Piper43078 I’m a noob to kerosene stoves. I’ve heard Alpaca is a bit better quality than Butterfly. Do you think that’s true?
@@totallyfrozen they are both the same
Where buy it please
I bought mine years ago from Jon Squires at St Paul Mercantile.
stpaulmercantile.com
I'm in Sri Lanka, I need to buy a kerosine oil stove.
Try contacting John Squires at St Paul Mercantile
stpaulmercantile.com
Could you provide a link to this stove?
One comment with reply has a site where you can buy one
كيف احصل عليه جاوبني اريد واحد منه
Is the flame blue? Someone please answer
Kerosene through a wick will burn with a yellow to orange flame propane or natural gas burn blue
Where do you buy a cooking stove like yours? I've looked online and can't find them anywhere.
You guys u don't have a smaller one
Kerosene is not as cheap as when this listing was first made or as available when I was born. My parents had a paraffin heater in my nursery it was still going strong in my teens
اريد واحد ممكن
I am srilanka
Hola buenas noche y por dónde se pude con pra la yo siempre e querido una parmi
I wont this lip
id rather get an old pressurized primus optimus or radius/svea stove....