GIANT KILLING MAZDA RX2 HISTORIC RACER in action @ 2021 Phillip Island Classic!
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- ONBOARD with Jason Humble's wild 12,000rpm Rotary Mazda RX2 Historic race car! We speak with Jason, take a good look at this car and join him onboard at the 2021 Phillip Island classic festival of motorsport. They say there's no substitute for cubic inches and V8 powered Muscle Cars but this little Mazda and its driver try very hard to challenge that common belief. Mustang, Camaro, XU1 Torana, Falcon GT, Charger, Monaro, you name it, this little Bridgeported naturally aspirated Mazda Rotary will take them all on! Just like the Mazda 787B did at Lemans!
At Master of Machines, we love cars, in fact, we love anything with wheels or an engine, from American Muscle Cars to Australian Muscle Cars, Race Cars and Classic Cars of all kinds and even Barn Finds. If it's fast, powerful, restored or hidden away in hibernation then we'll cover it, and in most cases, we'll even drive them! - Auta a dopravní prostředky
See that wild red E49 Charger in Part 2 of our 2021 Phillip Island classic feature right here - czcams.com/video/QoXiq8tAceg/video.html
Hey mate what ever happened to your GT race car you where building ?
@@MrR31power , unfortunately it was shelved indefinitely due to a lack of sufficient funding a while back. I now have a ground up built street variant, identical car, Vermillion Fire GTHO replica but for the road.
Love the sound of a rotary ❤️
We've been around that sound for a long time! :-)
Serving the V8's....
Serving them Pie....
Humble Pie...
Good stuff Glenn. This little 3 stroke sure brings some memories of my mate racing me in his Cappella with my window down. The sound of the rotary revving to the moon was (is) amazing as I watched him pull away from me time after time. My worked on Datto 180b didn't stand a chance!
Lots of good memories from a very yellow RX2 years ago, maaan that thing flew.... Greetings from SA
That was COOL ! I had one of those in high school and ran green aviation fuel in it with some Marvel Mystery oil, if I recall correctly that is ~134 octane. That puppy was a screamer, it would go 130 mph and still have 3/4" from the floor. I needed new tires, poor thing would shake at those speeds so I never did find out how fast it would go. Out ran the cops cause I had the wrong plates on it one night in town via back roads and alleys. I had good reason back then and beat that car into the ground till the compression gave out and the tires were covered in little threads sticking out all over the sidewalls. I did extreme reckless endangerment driving and never touched a thing. It would do hellacious bat man turns after 80 mph reverse direction vector, the noise, smoke, and solid black marks more complicated than the sign of money $'s were outstanding. Never would have thought they would command so much money now days, I payed $300 when it was ~5 years old. And the seats lay all the way back. Looks a bit squirrely on the track, get some better tires and take that cheating Mustang.
I did all the same shit, but still own mine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Woo hoo!!!!!!!!!!!
@@DG-zi7zc That would be cool, all I have is pictures. I have a mini cooper I started working on, but misplaced the title so I stopped till I find it. I was eyeing up an RX-7, the dimensions seem to be correct to swap the whole drive train. Do they still make parts for them?
Awesome little car built and tuned these back in my apprenticeship days , this brings back good memories.
So did I, back in the early 80’s, started my apprenticeship in 85, our family owned workshop specialised in Rotary tuning and racing. Great times! 👍
The Mazda 808... the 4cy ...same care as rx2... both great!!!! For there time mid 80’s......
You're close, but the 808 was the same as the RX3 and the Capella 1600 was the same as the RX2. :-)
My dad had 2 of these little monsters back in the day. I still remember the sound of that little 12A hitting 160kmh in 3rd gear!
What rpm was that?
Great little whipper snippers, glenn appreciate at the end the coming up preview of next episode. These on board clips are my favourite, thanks mate you are the gold standard by a long shot.
Thanks David, I love onboard content too, always have, right back to the Racecam day’s in the 80s. Glad you’re enjoying it.
My first new car was a 1973 Mazda 808 in Phoenix Blue. Still have an enormous soft spot for 70s Mazdas.
Around 1990 in the street scene in Van BC there was one of these that was an absolute weapon. Really changed my opinion of these little cars as we were into BB Mopar.
Looking forward to Part 4. Love those style hardtop Fords. Had a Futura XM Coupe I used to race years ago. How I would like that in my garage now.
I’m a big fan too, that’s why I jumped on it at the Island. I also love the XM and XP coupes, such a beautiful body style.
Great stuff mate
What a beauty!
Had a four door back in the day with a12a twin dizzie wish I still had it.
Needs the steering wheel straightened and some bigger front tyres to help stop the under steer
He does really well to keep it on the track 👍👍
Very cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What a ripper!
I love that thing
Great car,but that traction issue would make me crazy... that thing is too tail happy!
Yeh, I can't imagine that it's very satisfying to drive.
Awesome
What a mean little weapon that flicks like a tissue box. That would be so much fun. Nice bus 👍🍻🦘
is it just me? or would the steering wheel not being straight or centered do your skull in?
That sounds amazing revs for days
Takes a bit of work at the wheel to keep it on the planet. Love the rotary engine.
It's an indecently quick little car but looks like it's a handfull at the sharp end of its limits. Also, that steering wheel being off-centre would drive me bonkers & push my OCD off the scale. I would HAVE to fix that.
It is indecently fast. I think it is NOT IN THE SPIRIT of historic racing.
The R100's and RX2's were early rotaries, and I don't think bridgeporting let alone that "ceramic" technology was ever used back in the early 70's. And 12,000 rpm?? Try about 9,250 instead, and see if it's still a podium car...
Lovely and quick there were indeed - but I'll be buggered if they ever could run at the front of a field of muscle cars!
It just ain't right and it spoils the vibe. I want to see those little cars racing - don't get me wrong - but I don't want to see them where they don't belong based on the actual history of the racing prior to several seasons into RX3 racing, and prior to the RX7 cars which ushered in more of those mods.
What rpm did the 42 and 43 Stuyvesant RX-7's of the Moffat team run? 10,500 and maybe 11,000 in a pinch - and that's 10 or 12 years later than the RX2.
I take my hat off to the other guys who put up with this caper. The rules are not protecting the history of racing in the early 70's. Isn't that guy embarrassed at all to be rewriting the actual history?
@@rosskelly8268 I hear you Ross, but we can't unlearn what we already know mate.
Group N is based on Series Production regs, not Group C.
Having said that, Ian Tate can build you a 300bhp Red 202 for an XU1 that fully complies with Group N reps, yet only ever got 238bhp out of the same motor per the Group C rulebook back in 73/74.
Walk around the paddock quizzing the Ford & Charger runners & their numbers are a lot better than what was achieved by their best back then too.
All Group N cars have their own Achilles heal. In the RX-2, it's the synchro gears. The Holdens? The M21 or, worse still, the 3-speed. Phil Barrow has to rebuild two 'boxes after every meeting!
The Ford boys will tell you the old faithful Top Loader isn't bulletproof either.
Good response Peter. It's true we can't unlearn all the tricky tweaks that have crept in over the years. I get that 100%. As you say 230hp XU-1's (Bond running SU's backing up Brock on Webers) is now 300 hp if you go to the right engine guy. But all these cars are not benefiting to the extent of adding nearly 3 grand to your redline. And when an RX2 podiums ahead of nearly every muscle car in the field I reckon it's gone skewiff.
I think I should maybe take a chill pill; but this really bugs me because I watched those races in the 1970's.@@petermurray4061
"...but unfortunately had to re-tyre"
Tops. Love the cinematography. The Mazdas idle sounds like a fart but it goes like stink. I didn't know their engines were that small in size.
thanks for the vid. not that i have the skill or the plums... but i could NEVER get that loose in a car that is near irreplaceable if you binned it. he basically does a full lap constantly searching for grip.
You’re spot on, he drive right near the limit. Incredible car control though, and not surprisingly, he’s and ex mini racer. Those guys drive the wheels of those little minis, because they have to and those skills are serving him well. I also have one of these RX2 racers, and I must say it makes me nervous, but you only live once! 😊
Sounds like a VERY angry hornet!
Matt Russell power 💪💪
Yes, I’m glad to have one of his engine’s in my RX2. 👍😊
Absolutely love it. Owned 3 RX2's as a youngster, 2 series one's and a series two all sedans. Can't believe we were picking them up and selling them easily for less than $10k Aussie, them days are well gone. Driving around in a 2021 Ford Focus ST with 330hp, 6 speed manual now. It would be interesting to see how it would go up against something like Jason's little beast. I'd be happy if he only lapped me once haha.
What was your redline rpm?
@@rosskelly8268 My first was a 12abp. It happily revved to 9500rpm. My second was a 13b monster port and it would go to 8500-9000rpm. My last was a 13bT and never really took that over 7000-7500rpm as I never really needed to.
The Focus 5500-6000rpm.
Yep. Thanks for info.
And my point is that this car in the video is running at the pointy end of "historic" fields full of muscle cars with great drivers.
If I heard correctly in the video (or another one on this car) it's running to 12,000 rpm with "ceramic" technology and heaven knows what else that WAS NEVER ON RX2's in the 1970s.
In my opinion this spoils the vibe of historic racing. I can remember some of these races in the early and mid-1970s - I watched them at the time - and this is just plain wrong to have a rotary benefiting to such a crazy extent from technology THAT WASN'T EVEN AVAILABLE TO THE MOFFAT Stuyvesant RX-7's!!@@essendon72
It’s powerful or goes well for a 12 a bridge port and no turbo and seems like he’s made it reliable
Carby fed rotors ....the noise is erotic .
Matt "Muscle" Russell Race Engines.
You're pistons will be pissed on.
Over 300hp on a 12a wow I have a 13b bridge port 48 ida webber extended fuel bowl and just making 220hp at the wheels in rx-4 sedan
Yes, it's impressive, although this power quoted is at the engine.
Spot on. I think it flies in the face of the spirit of historic racing.
What did he say? Ceramic coatings and 12,000 rpm? What year are we talking about? 1971 or a Stuyvesant Moffat works RX-7?
If its not a rotor, its not a motor!
As you say little car sit 5 adults in it then or in the larger vehicle l know which one l would be in, on the other hand l have been in one the are very quick and can be amazing scary at the same time.
When are we going to see your collection
Very soon! 😊👍
New sparkplugs between races LOL
Incorrect. Hot plugs for warm up - cold plugs for racing. We can’t run big ignition systems per the rules so that what we have to do to ensure our plugs stay clean.
Too much neg camber Glenn?
Most of them run quite a bit of neg. I’d say it was just unlucky with the tyre failing, but having said that, the tyres were also 4 meetings old. Quite amazing to think that you could still run on the pace with tyres that old, that had also been purchased way back. The V8 cars churn through tyres, at least a set a meeting.
If you cant have 2 strokes 3 is good
The rotary engine is a "4 cycle engine", neither a 2 or 4 "stroke". A 4 "stroke" engine is also a 4 "cycle" engine. Each rotor has 3 active faces, each of which go through 4 cycles to complete the full power cycle. There is no such thing as a 3 stroke engine generally speaking.
Reread your comment and go away
He had to re...tire.
Yep,
.....I'll let myself out.
I found a rx2 but the guy want 10k for it. It's not in running condition looks nice tho
i wonder how much more fuel this lil 1.2 litre engine is consuming compared to the 7 litre monsters,as always Glenn tip top video but ill be honest these Mazda were never my cup of tea,horse for courses mate
Rotaries are notoriously thirsty, that thing would have big block consumption, no joke like a 2 stroke, size doesn’t matter because drinking every rotation
Sounds good but a pretty useless race car without traction
The reality is that most drivers wouldn't find the limits of traction like this driver, and therefore nowhere near the same pace. He's a gun driver with exceptional car control gained over many years of racing on the limit in Historic Mini Coopers prior to this car.
@@GlennEverittMasterofMachines I can understand that. Don’t want to come across as some troll .. I should have said “ it’s a shame the car hasn’t got the traction to compliment the power” “ I’m a valiant and rx enthusiast and love the underdogs.. 👍
@@gezalinko7437 , all good, I understand. Yes, I love underdogs too. :-)
The car should not be racing in historics with the sum total of those mods. I call it a cheat car.
Just tell me what year those engine mods were first available?
When was the ceramic technology first available?
Did RX2's race with bridgeporting in the early 1970's?
12,000rpm in the classic years? Give. Me. A. Break.
It's ridiculously faster than they ever were back in the day.
It SPOILS the historic racing because these Mazdas NEVER ran at the front of a muscle car field.
He's just getting away with this rort IMO, so I have no interest in watching the video. I'm down here blowing off steam at an ABERRATION of the class and the spirit if not the letter of the rules.
Booo!
Hi Ross Kelly, I am happy to clarify some of your questions and concerns.
Mazdas had a factory Bridgeport kit from R100 onwards (late 60’s). You could order a Bridgeport set of plates, performance carburettor, sports exhaust, racing oil cooler, 5 speed, lsd and other performance mods for an rx2 - in fact a mate of mine had one of these cars and it came with special housings also which were sand cast performance units that we are not allowed to run.
Compared to any piston car, our comp ratio is fixed based on factory components (there are no aftermarket rotors available yet), our capacity is fixed also, and our port opening (same as camshaft lift) is also limited whereas the piston cars don’t have this restriction.
Further, our cars are the only car in the class that has had carburettor chokes per cylinder reduced from factory ie: rx2’s came with a 4 barrel, however if we upgrade the carb we can only use one choke per rotor. V8’s can go from a 4 barrel up to 8 chokes.
Finally, ceramic coating technologies are used by most competitors be it piston or rotary so no advantage held by us there.
I also own a Chev in the same category and am doing a motor for it at the moment. The parts and mods available for it compared to the Mazda is ridiculous but hey, spose the uneducated aren’t interested in the facts.
@@racingrx2 Great reply apart from the insult at the end.
My point is that the playing field is not level.
What was the redline in competition in the early 70s? And what sort of crazy gear shift speeds are you able to use to string corners together with no gearchange or 1 shift less than rotaries used to need? I know what a difference that makes from my own racing at Warwick Farm and Oran Park 45 years ago.
Other cars may well be benefiting from ceramic etc, but why is an RX2 now at the front of a muscle car field?
This is not how it was. Not even nearly.
Either your driving talent is up there with Michael Schumacher, or the rules of your class need some small changes so that the historic racing is actually a bit more like it was.
I've got to hand it to the big car drivers if they are cool with this blatant glitch of history.
BTW, I love those little cars, and treasure the memory of a road spec R100 just humming up through the gears.
@@rosskelly8268thanks and the last few words were not specific to you but the broader rotary haters that have questioned our success over the years. I will go on some more about the concerns you put forward.
1. I am not Michael Schumacher but I and my group of helpers do try very hard with the car and I do drive ok - as such the car is competitive against all comers. We set the car up well, it has great shock absorbers and good power
2. We made more power at another stage of development but that didn’t make it quicker so we changed the engine power characteristics to make the car faster.
3. Revs - In comparison, V8’s at Bathurst in the day may have used 5,500rpm or so when a rotary used 8,000rpm. As such, the V8’s now run to 7500 or more if they don’t use the “approved” after market performance blocks. Our rotary revs to 10,500 and 12,000 as needed but we have no rev limit as the parts are manufacturer standard and like the V8’s are not rev limited if so. As such not an unrepresentative limit increase compared to a piston engine. If our v8 guys looked at NASCAR tech, I’m sure they could spin their motors harder than the 8,000rpm or so that they do.
4. Back in the day torque wasn’t considered in a rotary but we have worked for 15 years to make them work off a corner, and as such, when geared correctly the spread of revs, gearing, power and spread of power means a rotary engine “can” do much more than a poorly utilised big engined car.
If you watch some of the in car footage you will see how hard we are trying to beat the big cars, but beat them we do. I ask you look a little more into the effort we put in to see why my car and I go so well against the competition.
Jason
Firstly, Merry Christmas Jason, although I see it's just ticked over to Boxing Day.
These are great replies you have posted - but I think we still need to look at revs.
Once upon a time in a (then new) CDT Gemini I could out-drag more fancied runners between corners because I stayed in 2nd gear and the James Faneco-built 1600 would pull 8500rpm all day and all night - and never broke!
They would arrive on top of me, go wide to get around, but I just held my line and watched them fall back when they gear-changed. With my factory tacho PINNED on the stop, I'd mash on the brakes, and then slightly out-corner the bigger cars to stay ahead. Wash, rinse, repeat. It was all done with the flow from the brilliant CDT S2 head and just a single downdraft Weber I needed to use on the stock manifold.
Nobody probably remembers the Country Dealer Team Geminis.
But to get back to RX2's Vs muscle cars.... Back in the day in Group C racing the V8's were actually pulling more than 5500rpm; quite a bit more!
And my theory is that the RX2 is getting a bigger extension of its rev range - even in percentage terms - that the reciprocating engines. And that is changing the way they can attack particularly the shorter tracks. As you say, they pull out of corners better than they used to, and then the right foot just stays on the floor until the next corner.
That's just my theory. Because I used to do the same seamless pull between certain corners when all the redlines were lower - but I had a relative advantage and played it all I could. For all that I never got anywhere near a podium against the V8s because I would just get royally hosed off on the straight.
I guess I've still got a chip on my shoulder:)
@@racingrx2
@@rosskelly8268 whilst I kind of agree with you in part, one of “the” only advantages relative to a big car is our flexible engine. We have smaller brakes (and smaller than an escort both front and rear), a heavier body in relative terms (nearing a torana more so than an escort), and less freedoms than all other cars in the class let alone the category.
With regards to our Chev, I would like to think that our Chevy Nova will perform well and I think better than the Mazda given it’s horsepower (nearly double the Mazda), weight (less than 1.5 times the Mazda), brakes (about 70mm diameter bigger on the front), tyres (2 inch wider rim and about 40% wider tyre), unlimited rev limit etc.
But on the flip side, I’m not suggesting we are operating our little car way better than anyone else in a muscle car, however we have beaten some of the best drivers and cars in the field. We will however never beat the likes of Paul Stubber who is on the mark with a big car. We stand no chance. So read into that what you will and let perspective be relative to us vs “muscle cars”, and us vs Paul Stubber (in another league). We will never beat him so your comment and view stands that a well driven and prepared Mazda should and will never beat a similarly prepared and driven muscle car.
Worst sounding car ever