I have been watching Nate's CZcams videos and have the greatest respect for him and his work. My lifelong practice of medicine/psychiatry has led me to conclude that what I have termed "Population Density Stress" is killing us NOW through all of our myriad and rapidly increasing "diseases of civilization", none of which are found in free living traditional Hunter-Gatherer clans/bands, but we have the same genes (99% identical). CDC tells us that 60% of American adults have at least one serious chronic health problem already. Nate has an important message around energy consumption and a dark future looming. However, our rapidly declining health is NOW, immediate, and unavoidable, as well as extremely energy intensive and pollution producing. Thank you, Nate, and stay well! Stress R Us
This is fantastic talk about the multiple tasks we are facing in the near future…this talk should have at least one billion views…thank you for the details
Nate is so good at keeping it about the data and the messages- not the messenger. His insights about the psychology of this information is so critical to delivering the message. When confronted with cognitive dissonance, most people resist the new information and maintain their old beliefs! That is a profound hurdle to get over with this information! Many try! Few succeed. I have hope with Nate bc he seems to understand this.
Nate your message is just so well delivered, with extra-ordinary clarity - BUT it seems the result "out there" is YAWN, steady as we go! oh dear....regardless do not stop, it is a true delight to be able to follow your work. (what a tragedy, the first advert that interrupted you was about a kitchen top waste thing, that boasted about using energy) Regards Peter
Great presentation. The one point I contend with is the notion that living in a sustainable world is a "high bar" or is very difficult and therefore unlikely. When talking about a world where people are living the kinds of high consumption lives we do now, this is true. However, it is possible to live comfortably with a much lower consumption of (industrial) goods and energy. I went off grid over 5 years ago and consume about 80% less than I used to when my lifestyle was much more "normal." I will never go back. I've become accustomed to taking bucket showers and cutting wood for my heat. I love that my expenses went down along with my consumption. Now, I only need $400 per month for all my expenses, including property taxes, food transportation etc. This means I was able to reduce my time working for others by more than 80% too. I now only have to work (for others) about one day a week. I make my food from scratch and I get plenty of exercise (without the stress associated with working for others) so I am much healthier now. I've become connected to my land in ways I never understood when I was living life in a hurry. There are many benefits of jumping off the grid into a slower, simpler, low consumption, more self sufficient way; the difficulty and costs are not nearly as high as most assume.
Anyone who understands the problem as well as Nate certainly knows vast number of facets of the set of solutions. Some of the guests on his channel have suggested some visions of a sustainable society. Ophuls referred to something like Bali with electronics, Daly points to the necessity for steady state economics. Others among his guest appear quite energy blind, assuming the future will include ever more entitlements, and 2 day work weeks. As Teddy Roosevelt pointed out, it's the man in the arena that's makes a difference. Its disappointing that the FUBAR situation in Ohio is not talked about much. It's a metaphor for the larger context of what is happening.
This is the first time he has been offered up by the youtube and I'm impressed by the logic and clarity. He hardly deals with the environmental repercussions of the near future, the stuff some people will believe only when they see it in their own lives.
Nate Hagens brings the polycrisis into focus as clearly as anyone, it is too bad our leadership will not actually listen and act to ease us into a lower energy stable state. It is going to crash badly.
Well done, Nate. You are championing the critical thinking that has somehow become lost in today's world. I support you 100%. Please keep up the good work. Commenting to spread this video to others' algorithms.
There is a growing movement for one child or no child families. Numerous books have been written. "Stress R Us" focuses on this with "population density stress". Otherwise, Nate is brilliant and gave a wonderful presentation for extinction. ONLY voluntary population reduction can save our species and the rest of life on the planet. The alternative will be for the earth to become Venus 2. Stress R Us
I like Nate a lot and listen to all his lectures. I think he is a great man, trying to find a strategy for our species survival. However, I think he overlooks biology a bit. Every species has a lifespan, a mammal species of our size lives for about 1 million years then goes extinct. In the grand scheme of events humans will disappear to make room for another species it is just the matter of time. The great simplification in my humble opinion means extinction. This is a taboo subject, nobody speaks about it. But if we carefully study how the dinosaurs went extinct we will find out that they were already a deeply troubled species with a lot of genetic problems, it took a meteor to wipe them out but they were long ready for extinction. Same with modern humans, we are subjects to about 7,000 different illnesses, not feeling too good already. Maybe time has come to realize that we are just a piece of puzzle in the evolution and that we will go sooner or later. This is not pessimism, this is biology, nothing personal.
This talk is brilliant, especially the idea of debt as Nates puts it: "a bigger claim on the same amount of stuff" or as he has said before, a promise to obtain minerals/energy later... truly shocking if you think about it; a massive con game.
Is this not a human overpopulation/overconsumption presentation, 'tho unspoken? Mother Nature is ever intensifying Her efforts to reduce our populations through the "diseases of civilization", although we have had to build a massive healthcare "industry" to fight back Her efforts to dramatically reduce our numbers. We in the US spend $4T annually just to stay alive, and migrants are flooding the wealthier nations to find jobs and send money home. The only solution for this overpopulation/overconsumption problem is population and consumption reduction. We fight to eliminate abortion, but 266,000 more of us are being born just today. Do we really want to bring another innocent life into this stressed, dying world? One child families, on average, can bring our population/consumption back down to 1950 levels by 2130, or we can just sit back and watch our children die from the "diseases of civilization", wars, starvation, environmental collapse, energy depletion, and other endtime horrors. A wake-up call? Stress R Us
Okay, new person to this philosophy so please help me understand. I’m a technologist. Many of the problems he laid out I see could be overcome by technology. That being said, for the point of going from and oil consume super organism to a raw material super organism, makes sense in the scope of renewable energy. That being said though, most of a battery can be recycled, but I digress to my main point, many technologies coming out/being invested into are to solve the overwhelming problems that are upon us, like food(vertical farming), building CO2(sustainable buildings) and so on. So my main question comes down to, if we as a civilization understand that bad things happen when growth isn’t occurring, take for example most people claim to have depression when it’s normally boredom, having a time where it’s anti growth would be bad. So how does Nathan’s conversation completely miss all the technological revolutions that are occurring OR how are the technological revolutions not going to be enough to overcome this oil dependent economics growth?
There won't be any technology as we understand it within the next century or two. The only viable technology will be what we had prior to the discovery of fossil fuels.
Cheap oil & coal have been backing technology ever since it became one of the driving factors of our economies. Without this cheap base under each and every innovation, new developments will very quickly become unaffordable. Check the agriculture examples early in this talk - with energy prices up 2l3 fold, hi tech agriculture products will be more expensive than the traditional 20 cow manual work farm. Same goes for raw material based energy generation. All them machines, from the solar cells and wind mills, through renewable fueled production of wiring, iron, aluminum etc, up to each and every machine in the factories and the mining, will have to be built based on renewables, with no cheap assist from fossil anywhere. At that, you have to realize 100% recycling of materials is impossible, you'd be happy to ever win back close to 50 percent that went in. The other 50% must be replaced by extra mining, raising the cost of maintaining the system even more. You have to think of what he said about 5+ years of human labor provided by every barrel extracted. There's no way one can replace all that energy by renewables, at the same low price. You might want to watch this vid, and some other Great Simplification vidcasts, to fully digest the depth of the issue. Tech can't fix this imbalance, as the tech development itself has been driven by cheap fossil the last 150+ years.
There is no technological solution to ecological overshoot which we are in. These aren’t just simple problems with solutions. We exist within a very complex predicament - which does not have a solution(s). You need to think systemically. Zoom out. Technology is what created this mess to begin with.
Helium is supposed to be a byproduct of the latest successful fusion process. A total moonshot but I'd love to see helium airships powered by solar propellers or sails and kept aloft by helium.
Issues: Global net debt to GDP is about 400%. Money is created when loans are written. The problem is that currencies are simply virtual representation of energy. Without energy money/currency is useless. Debt is commmitting energy from the future at unknown supply or cost. Fossil fuels contribute 84% of global energy. Only 16% of global energy is supplied by all alternate energy. Alternate low emission energy is limited by lack of investment due to high debt level. The geography and climate non suitability of many counties. Gross shortage of materials needed for to build the low emissions alternative energy production. Thus fossil fuels will be used to economic depletion. Economic depletion is when producion and delivery of the fuel cost more than the value of the fuel. Energy has tight limits on its cost. Once the cost of energy approaches 10% of the value of the work the energy will do the activity becomes uneconomic. Economic depletion is already impacting but depletion will be largely completed by 2070. Global warming will continue to accelerate with sea level rise to 4 C and 2-3 m respectively by 2100.
We are yo far gone and addicted to consumption and energy . We have also got teal comfortable dor the most part at not seeing the disastrous affects that has on animals earth resources and being sble to just put our garbage out at the driveway on trash day really puts the blinders on when it comes to the reaction to having these horrible habits waste . Its like the grocery store people dont se the animals condition or its death they just pick the meat out and go along like some magic thing places it in the store when the reality is really terrible things happen to a thing that is alive . I keep trying to find a way around GOD wiping everyone out in order for things to get better . I never find any other way . To far gone time for GOD to set it right
The hydrogen economy can combine with renewables build outs to make future energy logistics far more profitable and energy dense than the current Promethean system. Make smart moves to upgrade.
So all we really need to do personally is to (simply simplify )Henry David Thoreau would moving to the southern hemisphere to a 10 x10 cabin on a homestead in New Zealand 🇳🇿 a place where humans should be able join a society that is more resilient when or as I see it (NOW!!! )the planet wide unmitigated catastrophe makes it impossible to live in the northern hemisphere but that would require us steal from the wonderful people of New Zealand 🇳🇿 who pet capita are not responsible for this mess
the usa need to move from joe manchins coal powered plants put in place to mitigate the 1970's peak oil, and move back to petroleum based powered plants. that way we clean our streets of the Michigan menace and put the petroleum to better use. by the way, you would do yourself a favor if you drew the distinction between stationary and mobile power use.
Why does Nate gaslight us about the Mordor Economy. It started in 2005, but you keep saying it's in the future. You want renewables? No, you are delaying the change.
So glad such folks, basically trash the whole concept of civilization. However in theory. Where is the real barbarian then? The stateless, may have a better chance at survival (with all the given energy that remains). Nate Hagens is cool without doubt. Doing a great favor to us by all means...
I have been watching Nate's CZcams videos and have the greatest respect for him and his work. My lifelong practice of medicine/psychiatry has led me to conclude that what I have termed "Population Density Stress" is killing us NOW through all of our myriad and rapidly increasing "diseases of civilization", none of which are found in free living traditional Hunter-Gatherer clans/bands, but we have the same genes (99% identical). CDC tells us that 60% of American adults have at least one serious chronic health problem already. Nate has an important message around energy consumption and a dark future looming. However, our rapidly declining health is NOW, immediate, and unavoidable, as well as extremely energy intensive and pollution producing. Thank you, Nate, and stay well! Stress R Us
This is fantastic talk about the multiple tasks we are facing in the near future…this talk should have at least one billion views…thank you for the details
Nate is so good at keeping it about the data and the messages- not the messenger. His insights about the psychology of this information is so critical to delivering the message. When confronted with cognitive dissonance, most people resist the new information and maintain their old beliefs! That is a profound hurdle to get over with this information! Many try! Few succeed. I have hope with Nate bc he seems to understand this.
Nate your message is just so well delivered, with extra-ordinary clarity - BUT it seems the result "out there" is YAWN, steady as we go! oh dear....regardless do not stop, it is a true delight to be able to follow your work. (what a tragedy, the first advert that interrupted you was about a kitchen top waste thing, that boasted about using energy)
Regards
Peter
Brother Nate, you knocked that one out the park!!! Well done.
Great presentation. The one point I contend with is the notion that living in a sustainable world is a "high bar" or is very difficult and therefore unlikely. When talking about a world where people are living the kinds of high consumption lives we do now, this is true. However, it is possible to live comfortably with a much lower consumption of (industrial) goods and energy.
I went off grid over 5 years ago and consume about 80% less than I used to when my lifestyle was much more "normal." I will never go back. I've become accustomed to taking bucket showers and cutting wood for my heat. I love that my expenses went down along with my consumption. Now, I only need $400 per month for all my expenses, including property taxes, food transportation etc. This means I was able to reduce my time working for others by more than 80% too. I now only have to work (for others) about one day a week. I make my food from scratch and I get plenty of exercise (without the stress associated with working for others) so I am much healthier now. I've become connected to my land in ways I never understood when I was living life in a hurry. There are many benefits of jumping off the grid into a slower, simpler, low consumption, more self sufficient way; the difficulty and costs are not nearly as high as most assume.
Anyone who understands the problem as well as Nate certainly knows vast number of facets of the set of solutions. Some of the guests on his channel have suggested some visions of a sustainable society. Ophuls referred to something like Bali with electronics, Daly points to the necessity for steady state economics. Others among his guest appear quite energy blind, assuming the future will include ever more entitlements, and 2 day work weeks. As Teddy Roosevelt pointed out, it's the man in the arena that's makes a difference. Its disappointing that the FUBAR situation in Ohio is not talked about much. It's a metaphor for the larger context of what is happening.
This is the first time he has been offered up by the youtube and I'm impressed by the logic and clarity. He hardly deals with the environmental repercussions of the near future, the stuff some people will believe only when they see it in their own lives.
Nate Hagens brings the polycrisis into focus as clearly as anyone, it is too bad our leadership will not actually listen and act to ease us into a lower energy stable state. It is going to crash badly.
Been hearing this forever now 😂
I knew Nate was the real deal when I saw all the real scientists on his podcast.
Also, because he lives in Wisconsin.
Well done, Nate. You are championing the critical thinking that has somehow become lost in today's world. I support you 100%. Please keep up the good work. Commenting to spread this video to others' algorithms.
Great talk! Nate’s presentations just keep getting better.
Thank you for sharing this.
There is a growing movement for one child or no child families. Numerous books have been written. "Stress R Us" focuses on this with "population density stress". Otherwise, Nate is brilliant and gave a wonderful presentation for extinction. ONLY voluntary population reduction can save our species and the rest of life on the planet. The alternative will be for the earth to become Venus 2. Stress R Us
Could you add the title of Hagens's talk, as well as a sentence or two summarizing its content, to the "About" section above?
I like Nate a lot and listen to all his lectures. I think he is a great man, trying to find a strategy for our species survival. However, I think he overlooks biology a bit. Every species has a lifespan, a mammal species of our size lives for about 1 million years then goes extinct. In the grand scheme of events humans will disappear to make room for another species it is just the matter of time. The great simplification in my humble opinion means extinction. This is a taboo subject, nobody speaks about it. But if we carefully study how the dinosaurs went extinct we will find out that they were already a deeply troubled species with a lot of genetic problems, it took a meteor to wipe them out but they were long ready for extinction. Same with modern humans, we are subjects to about 7,000 different illnesses, not feeling too good already. Maybe time has come to realize that we are just a piece of puzzle in the evolution and that we will go sooner or later. This is not pessimism, this is biology, nothing personal.
Nate doesn’t take into account aerosol masking. And not to mention all life is dying. There is no coming back from this.
UCSC = the University of California, Santa Cruz (Santa Cruz, California)
This talk is brilliant, especially the idea of debt as Nates puts it: "a bigger claim on the same amount of stuff" or as he has said before, a promise to obtain minerals/energy later... truly shocking if you think about it; a massive con game.
Is this not a human overpopulation/overconsumption presentation, 'tho unspoken? Mother Nature is ever intensifying Her efforts to reduce our populations through the "diseases of civilization", although we have had to build a massive healthcare "industry" to fight back Her efforts to dramatically reduce our numbers. We in the US spend $4T annually just to stay alive, and migrants are flooding the wealthier nations to find jobs and send money home. The only solution for this overpopulation/overconsumption problem is population and consumption reduction. We fight to eliminate abortion, but 266,000 more of us are being born just today. Do we really want to bring another innocent life into this stressed, dying world? One child families, on average, can bring our population/consumption back down to 1950 levels by 2130, or we can just sit back and watch our children die from the "diseases of civilization", wars, starvation, environmental collapse, energy depletion, and other endtime horrors. A wake-up call? Stress R Us
Yep, overpopulation is key .Zero population growth by all means possible .
Bat signal activated! 💥✨🌀⚡️🔥 47:25
First the Big Crunch. Then the Great Simplification. 👍
This is a good video to send all your friends! I just did.
Sandra Faber
Okay, new person to this philosophy so please help me understand.
I’m a technologist. Many of the problems he laid out I see could be overcome by technology. That being said, for the point of going from and oil consume super organism to a raw material super organism, makes sense in the scope of renewable energy. That being said though, most of a battery can be recycled, but I digress to my main point, many technologies coming out/being invested into are to solve the overwhelming problems that are upon us, like food(vertical farming), building CO2(sustainable buildings) and so on. So my main question comes down to, if we as a civilization understand that bad things happen when growth isn’t occurring, take for example most people claim to have depression when it’s normally boredom, having a time where it’s anti growth would be bad. So how does Nathan’s conversation completely miss all the technological revolutions that are occurring OR how are the technological revolutions not going to be enough to overcome this oil dependent economics growth?
There won't be any technology as we understand it within the next century or two. The only viable technology will be what we had prior to the discovery of fossil fuels.
Cheap oil & coal have been backing technology ever since it became one of the driving factors of our economies. Without this cheap base under each and every innovation, new developments will very quickly become unaffordable. Check the agriculture examples early in this talk - with energy prices up 2l3 fold, hi tech agriculture products will be more expensive than the traditional 20 cow manual work farm.
Same goes for raw material based energy generation. All them machines, from the solar cells and wind mills, through renewable fueled production of wiring, iron, aluminum etc, up to each and every machine in the factories and the mining, will have to be built based on renewables, with no cheap assist from fossil anywhere. At that, you have to realize 100% recycling of materials is impossible, you'd be happy to ever win back close to 50 percent that went in. The other 50% must be replaced by extra mining, raising the cost of maintaining the system even more.
You have to think of what he said about 5+ years of human labor provided by every barrel extracted. There's no way one can replace all that energy by renewables, at the same low price.
You might want to watch this vid, and some other Great Simplification vidcasts, to fully digest the depth of the issue. Tech can't fix this imbalance, as the tech development itself has been driven by cheap fossil the last 150+ years.
There is no technological solution to ecological overshoot which we are in. These aren’t just simple problems with solutions. We exist within a very complex predicament - which does not have a solution(s). You need to think systemically. Zoom out. Technology is what created this mess to begin with.
Helium is supposed to be a byproduct of the latest successful fusion process. A total moonshot but I'd love to see helium airships powered by solar propellers or sails and kept aloft by helium.
Issues: Global net debt to GDP is about 400%. Money is created when loans are written. The problem is that currencies are simply virtual representation of energy. Without energy money/currency is useless. Debt is commmitting energy from the future at unknown supply or cost. Fossil fuels contribute 84% of global energy. Only 16% of global energy is supplied by all alternate energy. Alternate low emission energy is limited by lack of investment due to high debt level. The geography and climate non suitability of many counties. Gross shortage of materials needed for to build the low emissions alternative energy production. Thus fossil fuels will be used to economic depletion. Economic depletion is when producion and delivery of the fuel cost more than the value of the fuel. Energy has tight limits on its cost. Once the cost of energy approaches 10% of the value of the work the energy will do the activity becomes uneconomic. Economic depletion is already impacting but depletion will be largely completed by 2070. Global warming will continue to accelerate with sea level rise to 4 C and 2-3 m respectively by 2100.
We are yo far gone and addicted to consumption and energy . We have also got teal comfortable dor the most part at not seeing the disastrous affects that has on animals earth resources and being sble to just put our garbage out at the driveway on trash day really puts the blinders on when it comes to the reaction to having these horrible habits waste . Its like the grocery store people dont se the animals condition or its death they just pick the meat out and go along like some magic thing places it in the store when the reality is really terrible things happen to a thing that is alive . I keep trying to find a way around GOD wiping everyone out in order for things to get better . I never find any other way . To far gone time for GOD to set it right
The hydrogen economy can combine with renewables build outs to make future energy logistics far more profitable and energy dense than the current Promethean system.
Make smart moves to upgrade.
So all we really need to do personally is to (simply simplify )Henry David Thoreau would moving to the southern hemisphere to a 10 x10 cabin on a homestead in New Zealand 🇳🇿 a place where humans should be able join a society that is more resilient when or as I see it (NOW!!! )the planet wide unmitigated catastrophe makes it impossible to live in the northern hemisphere but that would require us steal from the wonderful people of New Zealand 🇳🇿 who pet capita are not responsible for this mess
the usa need to move from joe manchins coal powered plants put in place to mitigate the 1970's peak oil, and move back to petroleum based powered plants. that way we clean our streets of the Michigan menace and put the petroleum to better use. by the way, you would do yourself a favor if you drew the distinction between stationary and mobile power use.
Why does Nate gaslight us about the Mordor Economy.
It started in 2005, but you keep saying it's in the future.
You want renewables? No, you are delaying the change.
So glad such folks, basically trash the whole concept of civilization. However in theory. Where is the real barbarian then? The stateless, may have a better chance
at survival (with all the given energy that remains). Nate Hagens is cool without doubt. Doing a great favor to us by all means...