Great video, Sir! Sounds a lot like what EVH often did... I got your "Speed Mechanics..." book and CD a long time ago, and I still use many of those licks and ideas. You're a VERY GOOD teacher!
Thank you Troy! I’ve been playing on and off for 15 years and I think I learned more from this video than I have in the last several years. Just ordered your Metal Rhythm and Metal Lead I and II books. Wish I had them when I started playing!
I've always loved the look on a student's face when they first see those box fingering patterns. I always kept the possibilities for after they had memorized the patterns . . . then brought this exact idea up; mostly to destroy their "vertical" restrictions. You've explained this SO WELL, TROY! I'll always refer new players to you, your videos, and your educational works. - Larry Roush, Retired Professor of Guitar, and creator of one of the state of Ohio's first Rock Ensembles. University Of Rio Grande (OH)
Thanks Laramie. Yes, i agree that simple memorization of the patterns is step 1. I used to think in terms of vertical motion on individual strings, which sort of accomplishes the same thing. But came to notice that doing it in strings pairs has additional benefits. Always enjoy hearing about your experiences!
Amazing lesson, pentatonics seem so much more accessible immediately and I love how you're think across the fretboard rather than up and down. You can use this to build licks you can place in any shape which is so cool
oh wow nice lesson, it never even occurred to me to practice scales horizontally instead of vertically. Seeing the pentatonic just in these few shapes also makes it a lot easier to learn.. Fantastic Troy! Thank you so much.
Thanks Troy. the simplest and most effective things explained well. Luckily you are now more present here on YT. Your videos remove the junk of other YTgtr channels
Great to hear that! thanks. Please share, as my channel is still quite small... trying to grow it finally, but it takes a lot of time and energy to do so.
I bought your book from guitar center when I was probably 15 years old Speed mechanics for lead guitar. I remember listening to the CD of you playing "flight of the bumblebee" and thinking to myself "wow, I suck at guitar" 😂😂😂😂 It's cool being able to see your videos now days, that was many many moons ago.
Thanks man, glad you stuck with it! With the right inspiration, goals and approach, you can do things way beyond whatever you think may be your current limits. We are often the worst evaluators of what we can ultimately achieve.
Thank you. Sound simple, but not always obvious and figure out for this. Thank you... for making that point so emphatically! So simple and very useful.
Very interesting gives me something to do . You are awesome Oh wow I finally got to understand the fretboard. I know now I must know the fretboard real well to be able to connect everything. I am so freaking happy 😊 I have only 2months learning from utube. I just brought my first electric guitar 🎸 😀
Hey, VH 1 was ALL 98% first box of the minor pentatonic minor. No joke! Great lesson though. I used to practice a bunch of those groups with hammer ons and pull offs and SLIDES. I never paid much attention to slides until I started using it on the world's most abused slide..5th fret to 3rd fret ( D to C ) on the A string with the minor pentatonic. Hahah \m/ Keep up the killer videos!
Oh wow, troy is making YT content again. You have a lot of catching up to do but it will be worth it. I still have your The Sound & Story DVD Troy. Great stuff.
yeah, that's the plan. Finally got the channel monetized; it's earning like $1 a day. But figure it'll grow into something over time. I've got a lot of ideas to share here
It sort of sounds like that many of us by learning it all solely by boxes (not refuting the importance of studying the boxes btw), have inadvertently created road blocks/speed breakers that impede the flow of free movement between positions. Compounded by the fact that by nature, we are creatures of habit so we go down the familiar and look for those as we travel down a particular road, even if it takes us to the opposite of where we want to go. Therefore this insight from you here on this issue has clarified why it is elusive at times to get this flow between positions.
Yeah, I don’t mean NOT to learn the boxes… presume everyone watching this video already knows that much. It’s an additional perspective that will complete the picture really, as you say
@@TroyStetinaMusic Indeed, that's not what I was taking away from your video here, nor do I wish for anyone to not learn the boxes. I just indirectly shared some of my experiences of learning the boxes but then finding difficulty to solo freely between them. Your perspective here is massively clarifying towards mastering this particular area. Thanks so much for this Troy.
I guess that most musicians, even after exploring all these possibilities, will focus on a few patterns that work best for them 🤘. This is what we observe, even among many professional musicians.
That tends to be true. We all tend to play the things that we have played before... as they make "ruts" in the mind. But to stick with this is to cater to our limitations IMO. If we force ourselves out of those ruts enough, they stop being ruts... just options.
🤯 Master Troy, you blew my mind yet again. Lately I've been having so many of these Eureka moments, I love it. I had one yesterday too watching Michael Angelo Batio's live stream about pentatonics. I knew about major scales and their relative natural minors but it never occurred to me that the same applies to the pentatonic scales too. I felt like an absolute genius and a dope at the same time when I finally realised it, and for not seeing it before. And I was also one of those people who got stuck in a vertical box....until now. Now I know how to bust my way out. Thank you. P.S the solo at the end of this video is an absolute killer. Is there a more complete version of it with tabs?
Learning the 5 positions is the wrong way to go in the first place. It's easy for teachers, but doesn't play out for students. Start with triads (actual playable versions; not CAGED shapes), then add the "universal" color tones (Maj:2&6/min4&b7), then the rest of the scale notes and chromatics. And learn them by key.
I didn't learn vertical pentatonics. So how do I start the horizontal approach shown here? Still learning those vertical boxes before, right? Or how do I know which notes belong to a specific minor pentatonic? Thanks in advance :)
I'd say go ahead and learn the 5 boxes... first step is simple memorization. Then also begin to work on the string pair approach moving horizontally. The two will fuse together in your mind at a certain point. Just pick a key and play though all the patterns every day for like 15 minutes. Beyond that, learn songs, lick and solos. And ideally, seek to find the pentatonic patterns within the lines you are playing.
@@TroyStetinaMusic if you play the minor pentatonic along one string, there's only 2 shapes, a minor third and a major 2nd. These shapes repeat across the fretboard. No half steppin.
A car racer went into guitar playing, ivè been listening to Troy since i was in college, great teacher
Thank you Galahad!
Great video, Sir! Sounds a lot like what EVH often did... I got your "Speed Mechanics..." book and CD a long time ago, and I still use many of those licks and ideas. You're a VERY GOOD teacher!
Thanks Greg, glad you like it 👍
Another Gold lesson by the master teacher !
Thank you Troy! I’ve been playing on and off for 15 years and I think I learned more from this video than I have in the last several years. Just ordered your Metal Rhythm and Metal Lead I and II books. Wish I had them when I started playing!
Listen to this guy boys & girls! This really works and will get you sounding great!
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I've always loved the look on a student's face when they first see those box fingering patterns. I always kept the possibilities for after they had memorized the patterns . . . then brought this exact idea up; mostly to destroy their "vertical" restrictions. You've explained this SO WELL, TROY! I'll always refer new players to you, your videos, and your educational works. - Larry Roush, Retired Professor of Guitar, and creator of one of the state of Ohio's first Rock Ensembles. University Of Rio Grande (OH)
Thanks Laramie. Yes, i agree that simple memorization of the patterns is step 1. I used to think in terms of vertical motion on individual strings, which sort of accomplishes the same thing. But came to notice that doing it in strings pairs has additional benefits. Always enjoy hearing about your experiences!
Amazing lesson, pentatonics seem so much more accessible immediately and I love how you're think across the fretboard rather than up and down. You can use this to build licks you can place in any shape which is so cool
Thanks Andy, all the best!
oh wow nice lesson, it never even occurred to me to practice scales horizontally instead of vertically. Seeing the pentatonic just in these few shapes also makes it a lot easier to learn.. Fantastic Troy! Thank you so much.
Glad it was helpful!
Great Teaching!! Thanks a lot !
Thanks Daniel
Fantastic way to break out of the pentatonic rut. Thanks for sharing!
My pleasure!
So glad I don't have a clue about any of these boxes he's talking about and just play anywhere I want freely.
If you are getting the results you want, able to create the music of your soul, we'll call that a success!! "If it sounds good, it is good."🙂
I play the same way. Whatever sounds cool, "works".
Ignorance is bliss I suppose, maybe to your ears only but yes😊
What a brilliant way to view the fretboard!
Glad you find it useful😃
You have taught me to love more my free time, thanks Troy.
You’re welcome!
This advice along worth a million bucks, thank you sir!
Glad it helped!
Thanks Troy. the simplest and most effective things explained well. Luckily you are now more present here on YT. Your videos remove the junk of other YTgtr channels
Great to hear that! thanks. Please share, as my channel is still quite small... trying to grow it finally, but it takes a lot of time and energy to do so.
@@TroyStetinaMusicYeah. I do it and I will do it. You deserve.
I bought your book from guitar center when I was probably 15 years old Speed mechanics for lead guitar. I remember listening to the CD of you playing "flight of the bumblebee" and thinking to myself "wow, I suck at guitar" 😂😂😂😂 It's cool being able to see your videos now days, that was many many moons ago.
Thanks man, glad you stuck with it! With the right inspiration, goals and approach, you can do things way beyond whatever you think may be your current limits. We are often the worst evaluators of what we can ultimately achieve.
Thanks soo much!
thanks a lot it was very useful!!
You’re welcome!
Brilliant lesson, as usual. The best video on CZcams to learn pentatonics and improve fretboard mastering. Thank you, Troy!
You're welcome Carlos! glad you like it
@@TroyStetinaMusic hello where do you buy your DVD programs
What a GENIUS! Super useful!
Hi Troy! Thank you for this great lesson. I salutes you from San Luis, Argentina.
Glad you enjoyed it! all the best
Thank you. Sound simple, but not always obvious and figure out for this. Thank you... for making that point so emphatically! So simple and very useful.
You’re welcome 😊 good luck!👍
Very interesting gives me something to do . You are awesome
Oh wow I finally got to understand the fretboard. I know now I must know the fretboard real well to be able to connect everything. I am so freaking happy 😊
I have only 2months learning from utube. I just brought my first electric guitar 🎸 😀
Great lesson for us...
Thanks!
This is great thank you. Often we get stuck with the usual phrasing. This helps a lot!
You're very welcome!
Nice new way to approach it. Going to give this a try.
Let me know how it goes
I don't wanna die so i just subscribed. This is very helpful btw, thank you!
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Eye opening! 🤘❤
glad you found it helpful!
That's amazing. I have never looked at the penatonic scale like that before.
Thanks Eric, yeah, it can really open things up. Good luck!
This is what I need. Thank you, sir.
You're welcome
One of the best tutorials
thanks! glad you like it
new subs. saw your post in facebook. thanks for sharing
Thanks for the sub!
Hey, VH 1 was ALL 98% first box of the minor pentatonic minor. No joke!
Great lesson though. I used to practice a bunch of those groups with hammer ons and pull offs and SLIDES. I never paid much attention to slides until I started using it on the world's most abused slide..5th fret to 3rd fret ( D to C ) on the A string with the minor pentatonic. Hahah \m/
Keep up the killer videos!
Thanks! Yeah box 1 got beat to death 💀!!
I'm going to experiment on this and apply it on improvisations. Thanks again, Troy for this great tip. 👍🤘👌
Have fun!
Oh wow, troy is making YT content again. You have a lot of catching up to do but it will be worth it. I still have your The Sound & Story DVD Troy. Great stuff.
yeah, that's the plan. Finally got the channel monetized; it's earning like $1 a day. But figure it'll grow into something over time. I've got a lot of ideas to share here
i know very well about the techniques.👍
Great!
Thanks bro, it a way this reminds me of the CAGED system but for pentatonic
Yes the boxes lay over the CAGED chord forms
It sort of sounds like that many of us by learning it all solely by boxes (not refuting the importance of studying the boxes btw), have inadvertently created road blocks/speed breakers that impede the flow of free movement between positions. Compounded by the fact that by nature, we are creatures of habit so we go down the familiar and look for those as we travel down a particular road, even if it takes us to the opposite of where we want to go.
Therefore this insight from you here on this issue has clarified why it is elusive at times to get this flow between positions.
Yeah, I don’t mean NOT to learn the boxes… presume everyone watching this video already knows that much. It’s an additional perspective that will complete the picture really, as you say
@@TroyStetinaMusic Indeed, that's not what I was taking away from your video here, nor do I wish for anyone to not learn the boxes. I just indirectly shared some of my experiences of learning the boxes but then finding difficulty to solo freely between them. Your perspective here is massively clarifying towards mastering this particular area.
Thanks so much for this Troy.
Great insight thankyou!
Thanks Troy, I'm really enjoying your videos. You explain things so clearly, thank you! 😎👌🤘
My pleasure! The clarity thing isn't easy. Takes a bit of extra time... and editing!
i love the way you teach .. and i love this topic ..
Thanks Vin! All the best...
I guess that most musicians, even after exploring all these possibilities, will focus on a few patterns that work best for them 🤘. This is what we observe, even among many professional musicians.
That tends to be true. We all tend to play the things that we have played before... as they make "ruts" in the mind. But to stick with this is to cater to our limitations IMO. If we force ourselves out of those ruts enough, they stop being ruts... just options.
Thanks,For sharing Troy I'm the one your Fans God bless
Full Support your Channel
Awesome thank you!
Great video as always. Thanks for sharing the wisdom 🙂
Glad it was helpful!
Mr. Stetina, do you have this lesson in PDF format?
🤯 Master Troy, you blew my mind yet again.
Lately I've been having so many of these Eureka moments, I love it.
I had one yesterday too watching Michael Angelo Batio's live stream about pentatonics.
I knew about major scales and their relative natural minors but it never occurred to me that the same applies to the pentatonic scales too. I felt like an absolute genius and a dope at the same time when I finally realised it, and for not seeing it before.
And I was also one of those people who got stuck in a vertical box....until now. Now I know how to bust my way out.
Thank you.
P.S the solo at the end of this video is an absolute killer. Is there a more complete version of it with tabs?
Awesome! Glad to hear you're making good progress! I've been thinking about showing that bit, as several have asked about it...
Great information Master...
Thanks!
Hey Troy, Great lesson, as always. But, where can I get those Tee shirts? They're very clever and hilarious.
Ha! The real secret to good playing lies in the correct T shirt selection. Actually my wife finds them all, I think just thru FB ads.
i think i must subscribe to the channel i am not a metal fan but the ting you teach is can be used in bluse and Rock to
Best
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Dose this applicable to all major and minor pentatonic scales?
Sure, it can
Learning the 5 positions is the wrong way to go in the first place. It's easy for teachers, but doesn't play out for students.
Start with triads (actual playable versions; not CAGED shapes), then add the "universal" color tones (Maj:2&6/min4&b7), then the rest of the scale notes and chromatics.
And learn them by key.
do you have the action set low on that guitar?
Moderately low, but not the lowest
Got a question! Are you able to play the guitar without the pent? I don't think it's possible because it has one forms in all music
Well sure, most melodies are actually diatonic. But this tends to sound less like “licks” and more like melodies, runs and contours
Damn that guitar tone is pretty juicy
Using Diesel “herbie” amp modeling in Axe FX III.
I didn't learn vertical pentatonics. So how do I start the horizontal approach shown here? Still learning those vertical boxes before, right? Or how do I know which notes belong to a specific minor pentatonic? Thanks in advance :)
I'd say go ahead and learn the 5 boxes... first step is simple memorization. Then also begin to work on the string pair approach moving horizontally. The two will fuse together in your mind at a certain point. Just pick a key and play though all the patterns every day for like 15 minutes. Beyond that, learn songs, lick and solos. And ideally, seek to find the pentatonic patterns within the lines you are playing.
Saludos master!
Hello Abdel!
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Can you able to reveal your guitar pedals?
I have a pile of old pedals but these days I use Axe FX III modeler. There’s a big video I did on tone in the instructional playlist on my channel too
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Greta teacher
Good for picking patterns but if you're freely improvising I would just use your ears to guide you. It's the same 2 shapes repeated ad finitum.
To what 2 shapes are you referring?
@@TroyStetinaMusic if you play the minor pentatonic along one string, there's only 2 shapes, a minor third and a major 2nd. These shapes repeat across the fretboard. No half steppin.