When great drummers get mentioned Nick never gets a shout, it’s absolutely insane that he isn’t mentioned enough. He is an amazing drummer so so underrated.
I think it’s because so many of the songs from their classic period, he wasn’t required to do too much. It was always spot on, but not showy. Pompeii shows his skills for sure.
Vic from Pittsfield in the beautiful Berkshire Hills in Western Mass. Pink Floyd fan since hearing Ummagumma in 1969. Saw them 4 times, twice in the 70s with Roger Waters, (Boston Garden, 75 & 77), then twice when David Gilmour was their musical director. Always a great show, in the 70s I saw all of Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here and Animals. The 1975 encore was Echoes, it don't get better than that. Thanks for more from Pompeii, they were incredible no matter what era, after Pompeii you should do the Pulse Concert in order, you will love it as well. Enjoy! 🎵🎸🎤🎹🎷🎶
some friends watched this film at the university theater in seattle wa. i was there yet a little to much mad dog 20 20. great to hear and visualize again. thank you for this format Lijie.
It's Nick in those 2 songs....But, if you watch the whole video, and the whole carrier of Pink Floyd, Nick wasn't the best of Pink Floyd😅🤭NEITHER WAS WATERS THE NAZI....😡PINK FLOYD=GUITAR AND VOICE OF DAVID GILMOUR+ KEYBOARDS AND VOICE OF RICK WRIGHT❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
@julienmarquet8612 You really have it in for Nick. lol Pink Floyd started as a motley crew of kids growing into young men......with little to no talent. Syd had no more talent than the others , but he took the reigns on amateurish vocals and beginners guitar. Syd leed the way, but all 4 band members improved, got better, and became quality ROCK musicians once David replaced Syd . Now Roger usurped the throne as band leader, and wrote some magical lyrics, utilising the music of David, Rick and NICK !!! NICK and Rick are just as important to Pink Floyd as David. Even when David gets the writing credits and monthly cheque.. .....Nick and Rick ( and Roger ) would create their parts and record them first......then David would basically over dub his guitar parts over their foundations......the foundations that draw you in, relax you, get you in the moment.......so Davids guitar can knock for 6. Nick's drumming is for the music and the band, just as Ringo played for the Beatles , Charlie played for the Stones and Carmine Appice played for Vanilla Fudge and then Rod Stewart......all of them sacrificing their own showmanship for The Band and The Music. Ginger might have been a better drummer, and he did play for the Music, but not the BAND. GINGER expected and demanded the band to play for HIM. Bonham was only copying Carmine Appice and deliberately playing louder to steal as much as he could from Plant and Page. Carwere mine's drum licks, rhythms, beats etc made Bonham famous, just as Led Zepplin did.......but they were never a cohesive and " MUSICAL " unit. 3 egos trying to outdo each other while their best musician on bass and organ had the job of knitting it all together to be saleable. lol
@@Rassskle Probably....But, when you watch the last live, when Dave and Rick, played together, at Gdansk, you realize, who, in that band, created the sounds, and voices, the atmosphere, of PINK FLOYD, the band everybody on earth can recognize immediatly (like Jimi Hendrix, even peoples who don't like it, never listened to it, already, heard that, on a radio, with friends, family, and you know who it is)....😢I love too much different kind of music, bands, as a former roadie, i worked with legends in my country France, i traveled to see legends, i'm not a harcore fan,only talking about one band, or one genre....That's why, in my opinion, Syd isn't so much important, in Pink Floyd's music....But, for sure, they never forgot him, and the lyrics, of a lot of songs were talking about him....(they felt guilty, that's all)....Even if you're a great fan of Pink Floyd, you cannot say , Syd was at the same level as David Gilmour🤔
@julienmarquet8612 David was never another Ian Anderson and never would be. During the David Gilmore years, Pink Floyd was always a band......although Roger resented that and made sure they were not brothers , until he left. Yessss..... David is the front man, the distinctive guitar and vocals.......but you know it is Pink Floyd BEFORE you hear his guitar or voice. Richards organ and synths are the bedrock of the Pink Floyd sound and essenti al to that sound that draws you into a surreal world of audio pleasure before Davids guitar amazes you or his vocals make you comfortable, as do Rick's.
@@Rassskle BLA BLA BLA😅🤭NO, LOSER, EVERYBODY KNOWS PINK FLOYD, IMMEDIATLY, BECAUSE, OF THE GUITAR AND VOICE OF DAVID GILMOUR (NOT GILMOR), AND RICHARD WRIGHT KEYBOARDS, SOUNDS... MASON AND WATERS ARE NOT NECESSARY IN THAT BAND....EVEN IF MASON WAS A GOOD DRUMMER, HE WASN'T FANTASTIC.....AND WATERS WAS A STUPID DICTATOR....SHUT UP PLEASE😅🤭🤫
These Pompeii reactions are getting me very excited for the Nick Mason concert this summer. He is playing a UK+Europe tour. He plays early Pink Floyd songs, everything from the pre-Dark Side of the Moon period. His band includes Guy Pratt (bassist) who has been performing with Gilmour since the 80's. I saw the Mason concert two years ago and it was great. It's smaller venues than Waters and Gilmour play and with the older songs it really captures the spirit of the earlier Floyd shows. Last time Nick played Echoes and One of These days as well, looking forward the what setlist they will have this time round.
Roger really liked his gong back then. Nick Mason joked on his last tour that even though he was the drummer/percussionist he never got the play the gong and now on his own tour he finally got to play it.
Thanks for the shoutout. I'm really enjoying revisiting this film, it's been a while. I first got into Floyd in the late '70s, and I still remember what a thrill it was to finally see them in the flesh, so to speak, when i grabbed a copy of this on VHS in the early '80s.
Thankyou for doing it at Pompeii instead of Pulse. EDIT: Yes at pulse there is slide guitars and lasers and explosions..... whatever. This is mastery like watching a Kubrick film. Rudimentary technology but refined technique. Displayed in a way that is almost disturbingly beautiful.
Jim irsay is the owner of the Indianapolis colts professional football team. Gilmore sold over a hundred of his guitars in that 2017 auction and made almost 24 million in all and gave it to charity!!!!
Don't Panic! Nick was actually talking about a tape recording of a BBC radio DJ who talked waaaay too much and the band didn't like. The idea was to jumble up the shredded tape to make something out of it but that never happened. Instead they used Nicks statement in this otherwise instrumental 😉
HumboldtCountyCalifornia! Digging Floyd since 1968, & saw their WishYouWereHere tour, in which they played the whole DSOTM first, with accompanying film above the stage.
Stcfthots is such an amazing piece of art, I wanna highlight Rick here, he is just a soft magic hand wizard, besides Nicks showcase also Rogers lyrics and Daves slide are completing a psychedelic avantgarde polished diamond ❤
I heard the title of one of these days was to do with a bbc radio presenter back in the late 69s early 70s. Reason why nick is featured a lot in this track is because footage of the rest of the band got lost.
10.32 is a prime example of the Pompeii lifestyle . The city was renowned for its debauchery and hedonistic ways. In fact , the more pious Romans declared that Mount Vesuvius erupted because of their decadence.
The art is all from the walls of the villa's in Pompeii, so painted by the Romans prior to 79AD. The bodies are plaster casts of the remains of Pompeii citizens found in the lava during the evacuations.
@@TheFremenBlue Try doing a search for "Plaster citizens of Pompeii" or similar. You will find, that the excavators found voids in the compacted ash, which when filled with plaster revealed the the final poses, clothing, and faces of the last residents of Pompeii
Saw Nick Mason in September last year when he toured down under. One Of These Days was the FIRST song! I'm thinking how he could possible follow it up, but of course he did, Set The Controls made an appearance. Closed with Echoes. You'll find some videos of the Saucerful of Secrets tour on youtube.
And now Nick Mason looks like the guy giving you a mortgage. I was a drummer with Pete Shelley of ‘Buzzcocks’ in 1972/73. He went one way but I couldn’t leave my groove. We stayed friends. RIP Magpie.
IIRC, after the departure of Syd, the band was not really sure the direction they would go, especially in terms of writing lyrics.. . so the idea of doing soundtracks and instrumentals really came into play. A number of songs, pre-DSotM, came from just noodling around and cutting the pieces together...
The human figures behind Richard Wright during his keyboard solo are the ash-frozen bodies from the Pompeii volcanic disaster. They have been lying like that, in their postures of instant death, for 2,000 years.
I'm pretty sure the art being projected behind them comes from the ruins of Pompeii. The lyrics to Set the Controls don't have any particular meaning. Waters borrowed some of the lines from a book of poetry, and wrote other lines to accompany them. Supposedly the studio version of this song that appears on Saucerful of Secrets is the only Pink Floyd song where both David Gilmour and Syd Barrett play on the same track, although it's impossible to tell who played what.
You need to watch Roger Waters Us and Them concert. He did it in 2019. It’s truly amazing and his version of one of these days is amazing. Also, Roger Waters concert at the Berlin wall in 1990 is amazing too.
@Lijie: All the background images are taken from the remaining ruins of Pompeii, and the people were not statues, but are really the people incinerated by the eruption of the Volcano, they are all in the positions where they died...
The "inspiration" for the art are frescos and mozaics found in the recovered ruins of Pompeii. Some of the statues are parts of the Elgin marbles; a wall made-up of relief sculptures found in the Acropolis in Greece and transported to England and kept on display at the British Museum.
No. All images are from Pompeii. None of the Elgin marbles are involved at all. The bodies shown are those of REAL PEOPLE caught in time forever from the pyroclastic cloud from Mount Vesuvius that rapidly engulfed Pompeii - resulting in its amazing preservation. ALL the music was recorded in the amphitheater while the only studio shots (those with the large background images) were done in Paris a bit later … but the lads were miming (well) to the music.
@@williambailey4879 People caught in the pyroclastic cloud would have been burned completely. The recovered bodies were from people who died of suffocation and got covered by ash. Besides, I never mentioned anything about dead people. Most of the "bodies" are plaster casts that filled-up the cavities where the fallen had once been and left behind an empty space once time had withered the bodies. Most of the bodies were recovered from alcoves, used for storage, near the harbour where people tried to hide from the fall-out and where the pyroclastic cloud couldn't reach.
It's the heart of the sun. Not sure if you're saying hot of the sun or not? Or is it that British pronunciation when you say heart but it sounds like hot?
In my opinion, the "typewritter", is a leslie cabin, guys😂Who was used to create some turning sound, with echoe, on the keyboards....Jimi Hendrix, transformed it, and used it to create a crazy effect on guitar, and, David, used it at Pompeii....I don't think you can find that kind of information, on that shit google😂And, even if you talk to the Pink Floyd members, or to the crew members, they're too old to remember, or they lie....watch Waters who always gives different versions as the others😢😡😂So, we will, probably, never know....For me, it's a leslie cabin😂✌️
When great drummers get mentioned Nick never gets a shout, it’s absolutely insane that he isn’t mentioned enough. He is an amazing drummer so so underrated.
NO, he's not underrated....But there were so much better drummers, that's all....He is in the top 20.....👍❤️
I think it’s because so many of the songs from their classic period, he wasn’t required to do too much. It was always spot on, but not showy. Pompeii shows his skills for sure.
The live version of this at the Pulse concert is well worth a watch!! Pretty much all of the concert is worth the watch.
Vic from Pittsfield in the beautiful Berkshire Hills in Western Mass. Pink Floyd fan since hearing Ummagumma in 1969. Saw them 4 times, twice in the 70s with Roger Waters, (Boston Garden, 75 & 77), then twice when David Gilmour was their musical director. Always a great show, in the 70s I saw all of Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here and Animals. The 1975 encore was Echoes, it don't get better than that.
Thanks for more from Pompeii, they were incredible no matter what era, after Pompeii you should do the Pulse Concert in order, you will love it as well. Enjoy! 🎵🎸🎤🎹🎷🎶
The title was a reference to 'cutting up the various tapes' technique that made up many of Pink Floyd's recordings into actual songs.
some friends watched this film at the university theater in seattle wa. i was there yet a little to much mad dog 20 20. great to hear and visualize again. thank you for this format Lijie.
It's actually Nick Mason Live In Pompeii
It's Nick in those 2 songs....But, if you watch the whole video, and the whole carrier of Pink Floyd, Nick wasn't the best of Pink Floyd😅🤭NEITHER WAS WATERS THE NAZI....😡PINK FLOYD=GUITAR AND VOICE OF DAVID GILMOUR+ KEYBOARDS AND VOICE OF RICK WRIGHT❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
@julienmarquet8612
You really have it in for Nick. lol
Pink Floyd started as a motley crew of kids growing into young men......with little to no talent.
Syd had no more talent than the others , but he took the reigns on amateurish vocals and beginners guitar.
Syd leed the way, but all 4 band members improved, got better, and became quality ROCK musicians once David replaced Syd .
Now Roger usurped the throne as band leader, and wrote some magical lyrics, utilising the music of David, Rick and NICK !!!
NICK and Rick are just as important to Pink Floyd as David.
Even when David gets the writing credits and monthly cheque.. .....Nick and Rick ( and Roger ) would create their parts and record them first......then David would basically over dub his guitar parts over their foundations......the foundations that draw you in, relax you, get you in the moment.......so Davids guitar can knock for 6.
Nick's drumming is for the music and the band, just as Ringo played for the Beatles , Charlie played for the Stones and Carmine Appice played for Vanilla Fudge and then Rod Stewart......all of them sacrificing their own showmanship for The Band and The Music.
Ginger might have been a better drummer, and he did play for the Music, but not the BAND.
GINGER expected and demanded the band to play for HIM.
Bonham was only copying Carmine Appice and deliberately playing louder to steal as much as he could from Plant and Page.
Carwere mine's drum licks, rhythms, beats etc made Bonham famous, just as Led Zepplin did.......but they were never a cohesive and " MUSICAL " unit.
3 egos trying to outdo each other while their best musician on bass and organ had the job of knitting it all together to be saleable. lol
@@Rassskle Probably....But, when you watch the last live, when Dave and Rick, played together, at Gdansk, you realize, who, in that band, created the sounds, and voices, the atmosphere, of PINK FLOYD, the band everybody on earth can recognize immediatly (like Jimi Hendrix, even peoples who don't like it, never listened to it, already, heard that, on a radio, with friends, family, and you know who it is)....😢I love too much different kind of music, bands, as a former roadie, i worked with legends in my country France, i traveled to see legends, i'm not a harcore fan,only talking about one band, or one genre....That's why, in my opinion, Syd isn't so much important, in Pink Floyd's music....But, for sure, they never forgot him, and the lyrics, of a lot of songs were talking about him....(they felt guilty, that's all)....Even if you're a great fan of Pink Floyd, you cannot say , Syd was at the same level as David Gilmour🤔
@julienmarquet8612
David was never another Ian Anderson and never would be.
During the David Gilmore years, Pink Floyd was always a band......although Roger resented that and made sure they were not brothers , until he left.
Yessss..... David is the front man, the distinctive guitar and vocals.......but you know it is Pink Floyd BEFORE you hear his guitar or voice.
Richards organ and synths are the bedrock of the Pink Floyd sound and essenti al to that sound that draws you into a surreal world of audio pleasure before Davids guitar amazes you or his vocals make you comfortable, as do Rick's.
@@Rassskle BLA BLA BLA😅🤭NO, LOSER, EVERYBODY KNOWS PINK FLOYD, IMMEDIATLY, BECAUSE, OF THE GUITAR AND VOICE OF DAVID GILMOUR (NOT GILMOR), AND RICHARD WRIGHT KEYBOARDS, SOUNDS... MASON AND WATERS ARE NOT NECESSARY IN THAT BAND....EVEN IF MASON WAS A GOOD DRUMMER, HE WASN'T FANTASTIC.....AND WATERS WAS A STUPID DICTATOR....SHUT UP PLEASE😅🤭🤫
Cool reaction Lijie! I actually did see this in the theater. Rock on!
These Pompeii reactions are getting me very excited for the Nick Mason concert this summer. He is playing a UK+Europe tour. He plays early Pink Floyd songs, everything from the pre-Dark Side of the Moon period. His band includes Guy Pratt (bassist) who has been performing with Gilmour since the 80's. I saw the Mason concert two years ago and it was great. It's smaller venues than Waters and Gilmour play and with the older songs it really captures the spirit of the earlier Floyd shows.
Last time Nick played Echoes and One of These days as well, looking forward the what setlist they will have this time round.
Roger really liked his gong back then. Nick Mason joked on his last tour that even though he was the drummer/percussionist he never got the play the gong and now on his own tour he finally got to play it.
What a gong hog 😂
Thanks for the shoutout. I'm really enjoying revisiting this film, it's been a while. I first got into Floyd in the late '70s, and I still remember what a thrill it was to finally see them in the flesh, so to speak, when i grabbed a copy of this on VHS in the early '80s.
Pulse concert, Sorrow and Time for outstanding drums. You rock.
Yes! I DID see this in theaters when it came out and that was over 50 years ago and i remember seeing it!!!! I was a fan from Meddle and afterwards!
Nice reaction! This clip shows so nicely how much Nick Mason's superb percussion was important to PF's importance!
Thankyou for doing it at Pompeii instead of Pulse.
EDIT: Yes at pulse there is slide guitars and lasers and explosions..... whatever. This is mastery like watching a Kubrick film. Rudimentary technology but refined technique. Displayed in a way that is almost disturbingly beautiful.
Jim irsay is the owner of the Indianapolis colts professional football team. Gilmore sold over a hundred of his guitars in that 2017 auction and made almost 24 million in all and gave it to charity!!!!
Truely he‘s a wise old man.
He, also, once donated the proceeds of the sale of one of his homes. Around £5M.
Hey, ime from England, the home of Floyd and the greatest rock bands ever 🏴🇬🇧
I can’t argue against that… there must be something in the water! 😉
If you want to hear them at one of their loudest, jammingest tunes, look up The Nile Song. Even Floyd fans think it's pretty hard for them.
Don't Panic! Nick was actually talking about a tape recording of a BBC radio DJ who talked waaaay too much and the band didn't like. The idea was to jumble up the shredded tape to make something out of it but that never happened. Instead they used Nicks statement in this otherwise instrumental 😉
They did so a few years later as the pre-concert soundscape
Please check out live PULSE performances like SORROW, and also RUN LIKE HELL.
Greetings from Vancouver! I was born in1960 and always enjoyed Pink Floyd. Nice drumming eh?
Hello to you in Vancouver! Yes, fantastic drumming 🔥🔥🔥
HumboldtCountyCalifornia!
Digging Floyd since 1968, & saw their WishYouWereHere tour, in which they played the whole DSOTM first, with accompanying film above the stage.
Set the controls for the heart of the sun is pink Floyd's love song.
Stcfthots is such an amazing piece of art, I wanna highlight Rick here, he is just a soft magic hand wizard, besides Nicks showcase also Rogers lyrics and Daves slide are completing a psychedelic avantgarde polished diamond ❤
What a gifted band
LSD = Next level creativity !
What an amazing piece of music 😎
I heard the title of one of these days was to do with a bbc radio presenter back in the late 69s early 70s. Reason why nick is featured a lot in this track is because footage of the rest of the band got lost.
10.32 is a prime example of the Pompeii lifestyle . The city was renowned for its debauchery and hedonistic ways. In fact , the more pious Romans declared that Mount Vesuvius erupted because of their decadence.
Born and raised in New Jersey but I’ve been in the Philippines for the last 8 months having a great time!!!
I’ve always wanted to visit the Philippines, that sounds amazing!! 🙏
pompei shows how pink floyd is a band and not only david gilmour band or roger waters band....and the way you react is very pleasant
The art is all from the walls of the villa's in Pompeii, so painted by the Romans prior to 79AD. The bodies are plaster casts of the remains of Pompeii citizens found in the lava during the evacuations.
They are not plaster, those are actual humans entombed by the volcanic ash, discovered during excavation.
@@TheFremenBlue Try doing a search for "Plaster citizens of Pompeii" or similar.
You will find, that the excavators found voids in the compacted ash, which when filled with plaster revealed the the final poses, clothing, and faces of the last residents of Pompeii
I loved pink Floyd and i love this video
Jim Irsay owns the NFL Colts....he also bought the case for the guitar for over 100k...and other Gilmour guitars
See one of these days on the Pulse concert of 1994
Saw Nick Mason in September last year when he toured down under. One Of These Days was the FIRST song! I'm thinking how he could possible follow it up, but of course he did, Set The Controls made an appearance. Closed with Echoes. You'll find some videos of the Saucerful of Secrets tour on youtube.
And now Nick Mason looks like the guy giving you a mortgage. I was a drummer with Pete Shelley of ‘Buzzcocks’ in 1972/73. He went one way but I couldn’t leave my groove. We stayed friends. RIP Magpie.
‘Set the Controls For the Heart of the Sun’ Douglas Adams ‘Heart of Gold’ If you know, you know.
IIRC, after the departure of Syd, the band was not really sure the direction they would go, especially in terms of writing lyrics.. . so the idea of doing soundtracks and instrumentals really came into play. A number of songs, pre-DSotM, came from just noodling around and cutting the pieces together...
Just planet earth. I really like the channel.
Gotta love the sound of those paiste cymbals Nick's using unless there zildjian but believe there paiste formula 602s.
The human figures behind Richard Wright during his keyboard solo are the ash-frozen bodies from the Pompeii volcanic disaster. They have been lying like that, in their postures of instant death, for 2,000 years.
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Even if he's able to sing, Nick's voice can be rarely heard in Pink Floyd. One of these days is one of the few: the distorted voice is Nick's.
What you see as "Art" is actually all that is left of the victim's of Pompeii when Mount Vesuvius erupted in 79 ce...
I guess „One of these days“ was not recorded within the Pompeji session. Rick does not wear a beard here, while he does on the other songs.
How much awesome can a single bass note and a delay pedal sound?
I'm pretty sure the art being projected behind them comes from the ruins of Pompeii. The lyrics to Set the Controls don't have any particular meaning. Waters borrowed some of the lines from a book of poetry, and wrote other lines to accompany them. Supposedly the studio version of this song that appears on Saucerful of Secrets is the only Pink Floyd song where both David Gilmour and Syd Barrett play on the same track, although it's impossible to tell who played what.
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THANK YOU for staying all the way till the end and listening!! ❤️🙏
Hello Lijie; react to "Child in time" from Deep purple (live 1970). Greetings from Chile.
hi from ukraine and russia
You need to watch Roger Waters Us and Them concert. He did it in 2019. It’s truly amazing and his version of one of these days is amazing. Also, Roger Waters concert at the Berlin wall in 1990 is amazing too.
WATERS, WASN'T AND WILL NEVER BE PINK FLOYD😡😡😡😡😡
@Lijie: All the background images are taken from the remaining ruins of Pompeii, and the people were not statues, but are really the people incinerated by the eruption of the Volcano, they are all in the positions where they died...
PF music journeys have to go to dark places too ,
The "inspiration" for the art are frescos and mozaics found in the recovered ruins of Pompeii. Some of the statues are parts of the Elgin marbles; a wall made-up of relief sculptures found in the Acropolis in Greece and transported to England and kept on display at the British Museum.
No. All images are from Pompeii. None of the Elgin marbles are involved at all. The bodies shown are those of REAL PEOPLE caught in time forever from the pyroclastic cloud from Mount Vesuvius that rapidly engulfed Pompeii - resulting in its amazing preservation.
ALL the music was recorded in the amphitheater while the only studio shots (those with the large background images) were done in Paris a bit later … but the lads were miming (well) to the music.
@@williambailey4879 People caught in the pyroclastic cloud would have been burned completely. The recovered bodies were from people who died of suffocation and got covered by ash. Besides, I never mentioned anything about dead people. Most of the "bodies" are plaster casts that filled-up the cavities where the fallen had once been and left behind an empty space once time had withered the bodies. Most of the bodies were recovered from alcoves, used for storage, near the harbour where people tried to hide from the fall-out and where the pyroclastic cloud couldn't reach.
@@williambailey4879 This
At this gig Nick Mason lost one of this drumsticks.
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Rom what i have heard and read Nick the drummer was mad at a LA Cal. DJ. Notice Nick lost a stick and never missed a beat
It's the heart of the sun. Not sure if you're saying hot of the sun or not? Or is it that British pronunciation when you say heart but it sounds like hot?
Hello CIA. Do you think everyone got their instructions?
In my opinion, the "typewritter", is a leslie cabin, guys😂Who was used to create some turning sound, with echoe, on the keyboards....Jimi Hendrix, transformed it, and used it to create a crazy effect on guitar, and, David, used it at Pompeii....I don't think you can find that kind of information, on that shit google😂And, even if you talk to the Pink Floyd members, or to the crew members, they're too old to remember, or they lie....watch Waters who always gives different versions as the others😢😡😂So, we will, probably, never know....For me, it's a leslie cabin😂✌️