Swissair Crash Recording Part 2 Full Version
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- čas přidán 10. 12. 2010
- WARNING: This may be disturbing emotionally, contains pilot's LAST WORDS before crash.
Swissair Flight 111 (SR-111, SWR-111) was a Swissair McDonnell Douglas MD-11 on a scheduled airline flight from John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York City, United States to Cointrin International Airport in Geneva, Switzerland. This flight was also a codeshare flight with Delta Air Lines. On 2 September 1998 the aircraft used for the flight, registered HB-IWF, crashed into the Atlantic Ocean southwest of Halifax International Airport at the entrance to St. Margarets Bay, Nova Scotia. The crash site was 8 kilometres (5 mi) from shore, roughly equidistant from the tiny fishing and tourist communities of Peggys Cove and Bayswater. All 229 people on board died. It was the highest-ever death toll of any aviation accident involving a McDonnell Douglas MD-11. The resulting investigation by the Transportation Safety Board of Canada (TSB) took over four years and cost CAD 57 million (at that time approximately USD 38 million). The organization concluded that flammable material used in the aircraft's structure allowed a fire to spread beyond the control of the crew, resulting in the loss of control and crash of the aircraft. Swissair Flight 111 was known as the "U.N. shuttle" due to its popularity with United Nations officials; the flight often carried business executives, scientists, and researchers.
The tragic crash was due to an on board fire which resulted from an overload of too many electrical circuits on board from entertainment systems, some might say-too advanced for its time. Here are the tragic final cockpit voice recorder exchanges between the pilots and the air traffic control at Halifax. - Zábava
Both pilots sound so nice and polite right up till the end. I bet they were a really pleasant crew to fly with.
Thanks for uploading this. It's really shocking to listen...
Thoughtful and considered responses on CZcams? What a refreshing change :-).
thanks for the compliment - you're right, too often we see drivel and hate mongering in the comments, not just here on YT but on all the blog columns following news reports and other articles..
True, the loads were high - as Captain MD-11 I've had to study this accident quite often. The first thing, in any aircraft, is to get on the ground for any type of fire or smoke (ditching if neccessary). The aircraft can handle overweight landings but nothing will stop fire/smoke from rendering the crew helpless and destroying the aircaft.
This is not the actual "black box" recording. The recording is not public information. What you hear above is the conversation between the plane and traffic control on the ground.
As the fire onboard progressed the pilots were unable to communicate for the last 10 minutes of the flight. The flight data recorders stopped working about five minutes before the crash.
Itapirkanmaa2 last six minutes actually
The lesson we (in the airline flight ops sector) got from this event was: in any case of fire or smoke either uncontrollable or of unknown origin, get on the ground (or ditch if no other recourse) as soon as possible. Sadly, we all learn from the experiences (good or tragic) of others.
Listen here pal. The ATC on duty that night said in his own words that he could not judge the severity of the situation due to the pilots calm demeanor. Am I saying they should be jumping around screaming pulling on their hair? No. But if u see thick smoke in cockpit, fuck the fuel dump. Get her down. If u can't agree with that then there is no use talking anymore.
Heartbreaking😔
that's what i would calculate to (I am an MD-11 captain).. I was reacting to the captain's response to ATC - I believe he was quoting the pax count as opined by @unecoquette below. Two pieces of data we are asked (or supply without asking) in emergency is fuel remaining and souls on board, and some other info might be requested too. The capt was understandably under stress and partially concentrating on procedures so it's easy to misstate something, I should have taken that into account.
positively, in all the wide-body types I've flown, including the MD-11 which I am current on, we practice the overweight landing routinely during annual training and proficiency checks. Appreciate your interst in the finer points of commercial aviation.
Yeah Steve, actually I fly the long range MD-11 with the CFM high power package, I think @unecoquette got it right, under stress the Capt probably stated the pax count - there's no way you can get 230 tons on the MD-11. In fact, I flew in command of B747 as well and our total was 170 + tons. That was the -300, the -4 & -8 are a little bit more.
That would depend on the range model as some MD-11's were made ultra long range as with all of KLM's MD-11 fleet with extra fuel tank and Swissairs were standard long range.
Back in the day (around 1981 approx) an Air Canada DC9 made an emergency landing at Cincinnati OH airport due to a lavatory smoke condition. The lavatory smoke became an uncontrollable fire and even though the crew was able to get down from cruise to landing in about 13 minutes (quick!), by the time the aircraft came to a stop on the runway, the entire ceiling/roof of the aircraft was disintegrating (google that). Other events like this have made it clear: get on the ground in case of fire.
You are probably correct - MD-11's (of which I happen to be a captain) do not load more that 117 - 120 tons. He would probably have had a load of about 80 tons and most likely even less.
@altazboy it's the gross weight of the aircraft, not the fuel.
For how quick it happened, it seems that the only way they could've made it was to keep the vent systems on, drop as fast as that plane could structurally allow, and ditch it in the water. That would've never happened though, keeping the vent system on was against procedure for smoke in the cockpit, and a dive required would've been deemed too dangerous. It was physically possible to set up a situation with possible survivors, but they didn't know things were going to spiral out of control as fast as they did.
By the way, this aircraft really was not in a very heavy condition, relatively speaking. He would have had about 80 tons of fuel at takeoff (possibly less, unless 'tankering' fuel), about 30 tons of payload (unless combining cargo, then maybe more, still not a critical number), leading to a takeoff weight around 225 - 230 tons. By the time they got to Halifax they would have already burned enough fuel to be close to max Landing wt. Fuel dump to mx ldg wt would have been minimal.
Good god look at that motor that plane hit so damn hard man what Shane
that 230 tons fuel figure is interesting, the aircraft doesn't even hold that much.. furthermore, that isn't a long flight for the MD-11 and it wouldn't be carrying max fuel (about 117 tons at fuel density = 3.05 kg/gal) .. strange..
It was the total weight of the airplane.
Seems that in all this chaos the Co-Pilot was confused.
Jerry, I agree. They should have landed even heavy. I lost my girlfriend on this flight.
yes I agree; maybe they lost at least 10 min for fuel dump action
How about a little sensitivity creep...
That didn't sound like he said "hello" it sounded like it was part of another word and he was cut off at the end.
The pilot said low. I watched another video on this. Low! They were dropping right out of the sky.
i love mcdonnel douglas planes but they had the weirdest accidents
nyyyankee That's why I much prefer Boeing.
@@2326038 Airbus are better.
Alarms going crazy in the cockpit oh we are now declaring fire is in my face now the controller made them go way off the coast to dump fuel while they had a fire onboard. They should have forgotten about asking and just dump now.
05:00 he did not say Rauch, nor Hello, he said "Rauf", and rauf in German means "Up!!!!", meaning, they desperately meant to pull up.
you're right, but as the pilots are swiss-natives, they would have said "ufe" instead of "rauf" - what doesn't sound similar at all. So I think you're wrong with your guess.
Yes, I also think that he said "rauf"
I am Swiss German and he clearly says "Rauch" (smoke in German). But I suspect that the word was part of a whole sentence that was not recorded completely (after all, it was already burning quite fiercely in the cockpit by then and the recording probably no longer worked 100%). If he had wanted to say "Up", he would have said it in Swiss German, which is a totally different word, as Tom von Arx has already correctly written. It wouldn't even sound close to "Rauf".
It is the full version.
No that’s not the full version
There’s one that’s almost 12mins long.
The guy in the central base was on Prozac and Morfin? Also plane crashed because the guy in the central was hanging them in air too long so they have had to circle around, just to make his idiotic "procedures". But the plane was burning...
VendPrekmurec it wasn't 'procedure', the plane had to dump fuel otherwise it could explode when doing an emergency landing. the pilots actually requested to dump the fuel earlier on (not on this recording but in the transcript) and they had to go back out over the ocean to do this. and investigators determined that even if the pilots had flown straight back to the airport they wouldn't have made it as the fire spread too quickly
So you want to tell me that all pilots that want to land a plane on an airport have to dump all the fuel? If I want to fly from Berlin to USA , then pilot has to dump all the remaining fuel in the reservoir, meanwhile landing in London before going to USA and then fill the reservoir again with the new fuel after the first landing?
Pilot in this aircraft have had to circle around the ocean in the name of "procedures", and was at that time already waiting (and obviously wasting time) for the further authorization of the fuel release (and the guy in the central base sounded like he did not give a shit and kept hanging the plane around the ocean). What an idiotic logic. If I would be a pilot in such circumstance, i would fly a plane directly to a nearby airport, I would demand clear air strips in next 15 minutes. I would not even care for some fuel, or "authorization for landing without any fuel in reservoir", lol.
VendPrekmurec that's not what I'm saying at all. most fights when they come in to land have already used most of their fuel so no need to dump it (note I said most of the fuel, there is usually some left in case of delays, etc, but not a whole tank full); however during an emergency landing as this was, it's usually safer to dump as much fuel as possible, otherwise if the landing goes badly there is the risk of the plane exploding. they dont dump fuel in every emergency landing, but in this case as the plane was already on fire the pilots probably thought it was best to do that so that when they landed the near full fuel tank wouldn't rupture and catch fire.
"it's usually safer to dump". Well it was not safer for these guys... If they would land immediatelly, they would have BIGGER % of survival than waiting to dump all the fuel... Wrong decision.
Fuel dump allows them to land shorter runway that's all they can't stop the weight they need to find a longer runway. The controller didn't know it was an emergency until much later they declared when flames were in the cockpit but you can hear alarms going off like crazy. They should have declared and dumped as they headed directly toward the runway forget asking about it. Once they declare the procedures and rules are no longer followed all other aircraft are moved away and dumping fuel is not a problem even over land. This is the problem with a pilot who is used to following procedure or rule books have to think on your feet adjust to the situation. Would they have made it maybe who knows at least they might have made the airport.
They possibly could have landed had they not wasted time dumping fuel.Fire in an aircraft,next to structural failure, is probably a pilots worst nightmare.Getting the aircraft on the ground (or in the sea even) is preferable to burning up in the sky..Fire fighters can't help you in the air. Airplanes can and do land overweight.Some emergencies do not leave time for dumping fuel nor should time be wasted doing so.Airplanes can be repaired/replaced should structural damage occur.
It was concluded that they couldn't.
That was Zimmerman's fault. Low wanted to land without the dump but Zimmerman (after ignoring Lows request multiple times) finally said no. They may have had a chance if they'd have gotten her down quickly
Wow. Sorry to hear this. But it goes to the point. If I had a loved one die on this plane, I would be very very upset. I don't know. I find the whole thing disturbing.
En el minuto 5:00 Que dice el piloto?????
+professional45 creo que dice "Hello"
+professional45 No, he did not say "Rauch", he said "Rauf" which means "Up" in german... as in "Pull Up !!!!"
Sounds like "rauf" which means "up"
En el 3:49 se escucha la alarma de piloto automático desactivado luego de que el piloto comunique sobre la altitud
I think he wanted to say 230 people, actually. Didn't 229 people die? I guess he may have gotten confused in the final minutes.
It was the total weight of the airplane.
Seems that in all this chaos the Co-Pilot was confused.
i was i this flight