Is Marvel's NEW Ultimate Universe BETTER Than The Old One?
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- čas přidán 29. 05. 2024
- What's up guys? Today we are reviewing everything Marvel has done so far with the Ultimate Universe, and comparing how it sizes up to the one that came before. The original Ultimate Universe was obviously iconic and revolutionized not only Marvel as a brand, but also the comic industry as a whole. So to see it make such a strong, significant return has been VERY exciting. My question is, though: do they have what it takes to maintain that and continue to hit all of the strong points that they've hit already? What is this universe doing differently from the one that came before? What are they doing right, what are they doing wrong? That's what we're going to find out...in this video! If you enjoy and want more like this, let me know in the comments, like, subscribe, hit the notification bell, and I will see you in the next one! Thanks for watching!
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Chapters:
0:00 - Intro
0:19 - The Problem With The Original Ultimate Universe
1:36 - Ultimate Spider-Man
3:29 - Ultimate Black Panther
5:31 - Ultimate X-Men
7:23 - Recap/Review
7:31 - Why You Should Read Each Series NOW
8:06 - The Ultimates
8:29 - The Creativity of the Ultimate Universe
8:59 - What Marvel SHOULD & SHOULD NOT Do
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The original ultimate universe was pretty much hard carried by Spider-Man 😂
Facts
Yeah everyone else was either weird or a scumbag
No it wasn't lol it was carried by spiderman, X-Men, and ultimates but then they got greedy and made too many books and watered it down and ruined it lol after 5 years it was no good as a whole
yeah every character was fucked up in the head accept for peter/miles. It was like marvels take on the boys. terrible
@@JES408 What do you mean ultimate X-men really only got good around the end of it’s story after ultimatum and I genuinely didn’t know there were people who enjoyed the Ultimates
Well this new Ultimate Universe doesn’t have cannibalism, incest, and it’s actually giving Spider-Man fans the story we’ve been asking for since One More Day.
……. *OF COURSE IT’S BETTER THAN THE OLD ONE!*
It’s also only 4 months in. People look at the worst aspects of the original Ultimate Universe and define the whole thing by that, but let’s not forget everything it achieved. Original USM is considered by many to be one of the best Spider-man runs of all time. The new USM addresses the frustrations with 616, but I think the series and universe as a whole need to get a few years in before it’s hailed as better.
Incest???
@@BoxOfCurryos yea Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were doing each other.
@@arachnidcomics6404 😭😭😭 she bad asf but what was bro (pun intended) thinking 💀
@@BIGBMH yeah I hail this new universe as better from the start because from the jump none of the characters we’re supposed to root for are doing any of that horrible crap the previous universe did.
Ultimates and Ultimate X-Men were screwed from the start, making Captain America a nationalist, making Wolverine a creep who tried to get with teenage Mary Jane while in Peter’s body, making Hulk a cannibal, making Hank Pym even more of a domestic abuser, making Nightcrawler homophobic, having Magneto yell out “Get out of my head you stupid cripple!” to Professor X, I COULD GO ON!
All that to ask, how in the world are we supposed to like these characters?
Now in terms of USM, I’ll admit, I am a little bit bias since I never really liked the idea for the story. Gradually with time I began to kinda like it so I’ll give you that.
But in terms of any other series other than SM, it’s all ready doing a much better job.
It’s not a home run. It’s more of a double. It’s basically the Ultimate universe of the Ultimate universe. I like the idea of a middle aged Peter Parker becoming a hero, juggling his family life with a hero in middle class lifestyle. I like the idea of Wakanda as an absolute monarchy, struggling with its past and warring with its neighbors over technology. It’s Wakanda West Wing meets the Crown. I like the idea of the X-men as seen by a non-American female.
Not a new character though per say looks like a riff on that character; ARMOR
@@matterstoyou2970not even a riff, it just is Armor. Or at least this universe’s version of Armor
Ngl, you had me at The West Wing meets The Crown. That might actually make me care about Black Panther.
who refers to a woman as "female"? XD🤣
I've read Black Panther my entire life and just when I was losing hope. We got ultimate Black Panther. Amazing art style, phenomenal suit, refreshing character dynamics without betraying the core concepts of each of the main cast. Magnificent. But in the mainline Black Panther ever since the end of the 'intergalactic empire' Arc, Not only the art style but the story has just been so terrible. Even if the art style was better I could stomach it but it feels like Marvel's not hiring anyone with art styles that complement the story at all. Nothing the current artists are bad is just that there's a right person for every job and these people ain't it
Same. This video kinda undersold it but T’Challa got done terribly in the OG Ultimate line. They made him Cap’s protege, mute (which isn’t inherently a problem but they did nothing with it), and lame as hell. I love seeing him centered in Ultimate Black Panther with a high octane political thriller. It very much feels like a return to form for a character that’s been rudderless in the main universe for nearly a decade. Nice to see him out the suit a bit more and tackling Wakanda’s isolationism. The art is nearly perfect too
@@worthyicez2715 TaNehisi Coates gave them the world with the intergalactic empire storyline. They could have gone anywhere with it or revisited decade old payoffs from earlier in his run. Put instead of afropunk Star wars we got a half-assed spy thriller and a Batman rip off
Ultimate Spider-Man is everything to me right now, last 3 years for 616 Spider-Man was a disaster
Zeb Wells should have been taken off the book after the first five issues
The term you’re looking for with 616 Spider-Man is misery-porn. Which is, unfortunately, what 616 has basically been since One More Day.
@@Cagliostro81 The Slott era was pretty refreshing imo
Last 17 years you mean
@@Joe-ib4qono it wasn’t
I'm glad we are getting Peter in a more mature point in his life and he has a family with MJ. I'm worried that something awful will happen.
I just hope it can get more titles maybe Guardians of the Galaxy, Nova, Inhumans, etc.
ultimate guardians would be SO COOL
@@cadenscomics9300 it could be cool if they used the original ones,that Will make the difference between the earth 1610 and 616
@@fadelrizalr1030The current ultimate universe is not the same as the original.
4:42 even in this comic we can't escape from that killmonger hair cut
Okay, so that Ultimate X-Men is literally Manga-styled. I love it. It's so cool how they boldly switched to this approach for the X-Men.
I'd say we might actually know a lot about The Ultimates given a certain interview with Deniz Camp and the fact that it's basically a direct follow up to Ultimate Invasion and Ultimate Universe #1.
While I think there's potential in this new set of titles, it rubs me the wrong way to call them "Ultimate." It feels like a cheap marketing tool. Let it be its own thing. To me, giving it the name of the former universe creates a sense of replacing and erasing what came before. USM in particular deserves a little more respect than having its title given to a series that makes no effort to carry its story and legacy forward.
It’s called ultimate because ultimate Reed Richards took a world that was originally similar to his own, and then tore it apart and change everything
It is called that because it has a connection to the older ultimate universe that is the character of the maker (aka reed richards)
@@meswoopnoseenothing I understand that, but if someone from 616 did the same thing to another universe, we probably wouldn’t call it 616B. One character from the Ultimate Universe manipulating a new universe does not constitute carrying forward the legacy and narrative of the Ultimate line. I appreciate Hickman’s approach to Peter, but Miles Morales’s series has more of a claim to the title “Ultimate Spider-Man” than that of the new Peter.
I agree with you man. They should’ve gone with a different adjective, like “astonishing,” or something like that. Something completely new to signify a new set of stories.
@@CoolGuy-te1pt"Maker's Marvel: Spider-Man", "Maker's Marvel: X-men"
With how Japanese centric the new Ultimate X-Men comic is I feel like they could’ve done Ultimate Big Hero 6 instead. Disney isn’t making a sequel and they haven’t appeared in Earth-616 since I think Ends of the Earth so plop it into this universe. Armor’s powers basically the same as Fredzilla’s.
Marvel let Disney use the characters from Big Hero 6 based on the popularity of the film, without doing anything on their part, so I would be surprised to see them again one day at Marvel.
But yes it could be good to have this team in the Ultimate Universe.
The new X-men character’s design is really cool. I like the aesthetic style of the book.
Will it continue though
I'm enjoying all three Ultimate universe titles.... Ultimate spider-man being my favorite. I still get excited for the next issue of each.
1:36 Ultimate Spider-Man is my favorite both in the old (1610) and new (6160)
Weird they started X-Men with the girl from the X-Men anime. Hisako and her armor powers. I think her code name was armor too.
She’s also considered one of Wolverine’s surrogate daughters along with Jubilee, Kitty Pride, X23, etc.
Which is really weird out of all the X men start out your new universe why Hisako. Seriously out of everyone Wolverine, Storm, Rouge, Gambit hell Cyclops was the first X man why not start with him. Also I only know Hisako from the X men anime not the comics and I think it would make more sense for her to be Cyclops Surrogate daughter or Emma frost.
@@thatonkgau5221 Ah stop the complaining lol. Its a different take where they’re showing the world before you get to know what its like with the X-Men in it. It’s simply a buildup and they are doing it the right way by using a newer, lesser known character to introduce it all (that also happens to match the tone for the art of the issue).
@@silversoulkenI like that they used lesser known characters but armor is the only one. They got original character like maystorm and nastu who’s coming. I love that it’s not making Wolverine the face of everything X but it feels weird there’s so few. I’m definitely reading the shit out of it but I hope it goes on to show more of the lore especially if ultimate does well enough to make more titles. I love giving mutants a younger reimagining especially if it’s one’s that barley get attention.
@@silversoulken I'm not complaining just saying it's a little weird that doesn't mean i don't like the comic
because the author is japanese and we barely get a lot of main focus asian mutants
Well Spiderman and the X Men where the only ones carrying it despite X Men could have been a little better with characters.
So yeah having a new one where all the series are equal to each is a good idea. Especially how different The Avengers are.
I love the new Ultimate run too. I’m glad Black Panther is having his day in the sun, especially within the Ultimate universe.
Dropped another great video homie!
So happy I can get these comics digitally same day as release on VeVe comics! It’s been a game changer since my LCS is always out of them
Hey brother! Just discovered your channel with the Batman:First Knight video and I’m really liking everything I’ve seen so far! Keep it up and you’ll be riding high soon!!!
I am LOVING this new universe! It’s been so fun to go pick them up on release day at my local shop. With the Ultimates coming out next month looks like there will be a new one coming out weekly which would be awesome
um akshually 👆🤓the new ultimate universe started with ultimate invasion and the first official new branding for it was in ultimate universe #1 🤓🤓🤓
ultimate spider man og was peak 😡
If we will judge the new one based in so few editions, you must judge the old one by his first editions too. Compare only the errors of the oldest with so few material of the new, is simply injustice. For example, the new spider-man doesn't even questioning the goblin about the ilegal imprisionment of the Shocker, and this is a little bizarre in my opinion.
Currently no but if Hickman and the other writers can tell one long form cohesive story that may include all or most of the titles created similar to his runs from FF - Secret Wars then it could be great however it should not be looked at as a new long term line of comics as they inevitably fail with the exception of usually 1 title per that line e.g. 2099 failed - Spider-Man 2099 was the success, MC2 failed - Spider-Girl was the success, 1610 failed - Ultimate Spider-Man was the success….hmm I’m seeing a trend here where the Spider related book was not only the first book published in each line but was the most successful but surely 6160 won’t follow the same trend…oh wait…
UBP and USM are both good books. UXM should have been called UArmor, because that's really what it is so far. It's not X-men.
2 issues into Ultimate X-Men and we still haven't seen a single X-Man besides Armor and she's not even on the team.
@@BaithNa I don't think the X-Man team exist in the Universe yet
Peach Momoko COOKED with Ultimate X-Men panels. Like HOLY SHIT
It's probably due to the release schedule but this new Ultimate Universe seems to be starting very slowly. Read the old Ultimate comics, besides Spider-man, they all start out with a bang and don't slow down until the end of the first volumes.
Yeah I’m so hyped for the ultimates on June, can’t wait
Marvel keeps trying to pander to a audience I don't think they will, Manga Reader or Anime Fans, Now they're set in Japan but unlike the original big hero, This feels more like a ANIME. rather than americanized manga, I am having so much fan, I know the art and the story direction will change either way when we get to the American side of things, But I am so fcking satisfied with this one, Grats to marvel team for actual hiring Japanese Artist,
The original gwenpool run was my thing too
My only concern is that in some ways, it doesn't work as an independent universe by virtue of the story itself; the entire story is predicated on the idea of a universe that would've been different had not the Maker from a different comic book reality interfered, and as such, we're not dealing with characters being built from the ground up, but characters aspiring to versions of themselves that they "should have been." That being said, we've hardly seen some characters, but they're already some of my favorite versions. Daredevil as a priest? (And not as the contrived "what an atheist thinks a priest is like" in the 616 run) Thor as an actual stoic, serious godlike character? Spider-man as a man and not as a manchild / whatever Wells thinks he's doing? It's wonderful.
Damn, these sound really interesting, I might actually have to pick some of these up
Well it’s definitely better than the 616 Universe
This video is so funny cause the universe JUST started 💀
he’s not being brutal to it though so its alright. the story of the universe is only beginning and he seems to keep that door open in this video.
Will Tony Stark be calling him self Silver Centurion instead of Iron Lad because Tony needs to grow up and his dad called himself Iron man.
My hope for the ultimate avengers lineup is cap iron man hulk Thor wasp and ant man
I think in the new Ultimate Universe the Xmen isnt mutation but s mystical kind of power that some people get it I love it is so wierd so much want to know like the first time you ear about Xmen
0:00 yes
The past ultimate only gave us two good things, and those two people are Miles Morales and The maker. If anyone thinks the ultimate story or other characters in that past run was better, their trying to be different
You clearly haven't read the original Ultimate comics because they inspired everything Marvel has done since 2000, including movies, animation, live action TV and even mainline comics.
@@BaithNa oh I have and it was shit, keep in mind the movies took inspiration from both books.
The OG ultimate Spider-Man was goated, idk what your on
@@Invo_ mmmmm no if anything he went through a lot of bs, and didn't he cheated on his gf?
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The ultimate universe is a product of its time and ultimately (no pun intended) became what it was trying to avoid by having its own continuity be a problem. I’m sure this universe will eventually get there. Also I’m tired of the Maker.
I blame Ultimatum
Trash event, after that everything went downhill...well ,spidey kept cool.
Oh, Ultimates Vol 1and 2 were kinda solid, but everything after was abominable.
Besides Spidey and Miles (and that really short lived Jonathan Hickman Ultimate Thor run) the Ultimate universe didn't had ANYTHING that I liked, not a single thing
It was a good call from Hickman to get ridd of that universe and start it all over but better
DEATH NOTE MENTIONED RAHHHHHHHHHHHH
The new ultimate spiderman is so good everyone should read it
Guys, am i the only one who wanted 1610 peter back or at least see a teen pete again cuz im not rly a fan of this new version
Maybe bcs ngl I'm tired of teen Peter, I want college or teacher Peter.
Plus most Spider-Man stories lately have Peter in highschool/teen age and I'm personally tired of it
I love it when modern interpretations can work
Too early to say. There are some interesting new ideas in this ultimate universe, but nothing I've read so far is as good as Ultimates 1 and 2. Even if those stories had a lot of annoying Mark Millarisms.
Hmmmmm not ready to say that yet
0:12 why spider-mans toe out😂idk if it is we will have to give it a little longer
Maybe that’s true about the xmen thing being wierd. I wanted to see old ones and hopefully a good hearted Beast again
The scheme is like the Ultimate X-men is half magic/mutant.
The original was better they went their own way but after they did it More like the normal mu it went down to shit Ultimates was amazing
I’m very excited to see the Ultimate version of Wasp in this universe. I’m a big Janet fan and I hope we get a fantastic interpretation of the character. I also can’t wait to see the Ultimate Fantastic Four especially Ben. Also we did see Ultimate Matt in the first issue of Ultimate Spider-Man but I hope we see more of him.
All of the Fantastic Four, except for Reed, are dead. I'm really excited for this universe's Victor von Doom tho!
I want to start reading the new Ultimates and Black Panther, but I will say that I'm loving Ultimate Spiderman so far
Still like the old ultimate
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I'm still skeptical about this whole thing. IMHO, Hickman isn't known for well made long-continuing projects. Sure he can create interest at the begining with his concepts and new character perspectives, but at the end his ideas either got scrapped or abandoned all together for abrupt finale. That allready was the case with his Secret Wars and Krakoan Era - both amazing projects of their times that unfortunately had many problems and got butchered in their second halfs. So I really doubt this new iteration would last any longer than the predecessor.
Also I'm not sure what the point for the new Ultimate Universe to begin with. Like the original imprint was created out of idea to modernize characters and give new timeline for them as an attempt to distant them from 40 years continuity legacy. This one feels more like one giant prelude for some upcoming crossover event about the Maker return with not much plans for the Earth-6160 future after that, at least to me right now...
i love ultimate Spiderman its really awesome.
You MUST focus on the detail. You're saying something is good or bad with no further explanation. Why is something good or bad?
yes
It's not even been a year. The longest series so far (Spider-Man) has four issues. Even if you're just judging "potential" it makes no sense to make a video this early.
I love the original ultimate universe I'm a sucker for teenage Peter Parker but this new universe is gonna be something big I'm already enjoying it to me it's like a ultimate universe what if stories
I need Nova and punisher to get the Ultimate treatment
Well for one thing none of the heroes here are assholes so far.
So, is this a complete reboot of the original Ultimate universe, or is it a continuation?
It's an entirely new universe (6160) but [spoilers] it's influenced by the maker (original ultimate reed
@@keit99 got it. Thanks!
Problem with this ultimate universe it doesnt feel different. The way OG UU did
The potential that this new ultimate universe has is astronomical. I know a lot of people are iffy with it and I know a lot of people didn't like the original ultimate universe. I think overall this new ultimate universe will pass the original, overtime. The only thing that is going to be near impossible to surpass, is the original Ultimate Spider-man. There's no denying that, that series is not only one of the greatest Spider-man runs of all time; but debatably one of the greatest comic runs of all time. This new series so far tho, is really good and only time will tell.
The 1st arc of each series isn't even wrapped up. Let's give it some time before comparing
Im just so burnt out, behind, and genuinely uninterested in yet ankther recolor of all my heroes with slightly different stories
As far as spider man and x men go it is very different from the other versions. Peter is middle aged and x men is starting off in Japan it seems like, possibly without professor x. It kind of feels like runaways meets x men. Black Panther and Storm are freedom fighters. I’ve only read the first issue of that one though. It’s definitely different, but intriguing.
Recolor?
Bro this is how comics work. How they’ve always worked. New issues, new releases, new stories that repeat the same beats as before. Grow up
Read some indie comics, or read Ultimate X-Men, since as said, it has no ties to X-Men so far
These comics look good.
Really hope we get an ultimate fantastic 4 thats more focused on futuristic scfi but in the style of the 60s
Aside from Reed Richard (who became Dr. Doom), all the other members are apparently dead, so unless we change the team members, it's very unlikely that this will ever happen.
They need to keep miles away for a little while if they do bring him into this universe make him a villain or something this needs to be a Peter Parker solo story
i will wait untill they are in collection books
Thats armor i dont lnow much about her but she cool from what i read not surprised she is japanes
Lol I love how they forgot that Jimmy Hudson exists
The original ultimate universe comics was just a bunch of angsty edgelord fanfiction. It was dark and edgy just for the sake of it and not because it fit the story or narrative they killed off important characters unceremoniously. And for no reason so many major characters died in Ultimatum Wolverine, Angel, Professor X and Even Magneto.
There's a new ultimate universe? I thought they were reselling them in comic store shelves
It's at least keeping a single Spider-Man in the universe so far, so yes! Miles should have stayed in 1610 as its sole Spider-Man.
I prefer the older ultimate universe. Warts and all.
Nah not me it was piss
It could hardly be worse.
wouldnt be hard since the only good comics from ultimates was avengers and spiderman
Ultimate x men look like digimon from foxkids
If Jonathan Hickman is behind the new ultimate comics run then it is going to be good.
What graphics did you use for the Ultimate Black Panther.
No.
I think this ultimate universe is definitely better than the original. Ultimate Spider-Man is my favorite comic book series of the decade and is just phenomanal. The fan service is great and the writing and art are so good! Ultimate Black Panther is super good too. It really is what modern 616 Black panther comics should be. And Ultimate X-Men is intresting. I hope we get other characters down the line. Ultimates looks pretty epic. The of wasn't perfect but this one is so far.
It just started there's barely any books tf
I like these issues I got carried away.
How many people have been eaten so far?
This ultimate universe somewhat reminds me of how the world of code geass is with the overall geography/ countries.
Why did they make a new ultimate universe if it has nothing to do with the original? Just call it something else if you want to make another universe
We call it a reboot
And you say that this ultimate universe has nothing to do with the original.
But you forget that there is the Creator who entered this universe to make it... the universe we know today.
@@nikolap490 that doesn't negate anything I just said... Why reboot something if it's going to be unrecognizable?
This is like them rebooting Superman and it's just a woman doing her taxes
@@aroccoificationWhat does a new Ultimate universe have to do with a Superman who only pays his taxes?
@@nikolap490 the new ultimate universe has as much to do with the original ultimate as a reboot of Superman being about a woman paying her taxes
They both have absolutely nothing to do with the original so why even bother calling it the same thing?
@@aroccoification It's a reboot.
It's normal that there are changes, it's the very principle of a reboot.
And so much the better that it doesn't resemble the first Ultimate universe in every detail because, why do a reboot if it's to do everything as before ?
And then you really think that it's a good idea to bring back the romantic relationship again Wanda and Quicksilver on the table?
*Marvel after making a master peace ultimate universe* :
´´Naaaa this is competing with the cinematic universe people is asking, where to read the comics after watching the shows, lets make it more similar to the show and not the other way around´´
*Ruined and restarting again*
´´Why people dont like it? ´´
(Marvel Ceo and board of directors are the worst enemy of Marvel)
I like the direction so far, but I liked the black ops set the that surrounded the Ultimates.
Not really, Ultimate Spider-Man is perfect but the rest of the titles are meh at best, Ultimate X-Men and Ultimate Black Panther are a bore
Ultimate Spider-Man is a solid books. This book is even better than Bendis Ultimate Spider-Man, back in 2000.
Yes yes it is
So far, yes
The X-Men and Panther stuff has been great so far, but Ultimate Spider-Man has been utterly dire. Hickman can't write character and his twists on the mythos are 'clever' and 'calculated' without much substance to them and his humour is woeful.
With Hickman as the architect, I can't see it being all that memorable, to be honest. He's an overrated internet fed hack.
I personally really really dislike this new ultimate spider man, just the entire circumstance. I dont care to see a peter that already married with a kid. I want the young adult struggling
How can you make this comparison when you haven't read most of the old Ultimate books? You're judging a very small number of books against a ton of books that you've never read 😂😂😂
I read:
Ultimate Spider-Man
The Ultimates
Ultimate Fantastic Four
Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra
Ultimate Elektra
Ultimate Iron Man
The Ultimates 2
Ultimate Iron Man 2
Ultimate Nightmare
Ultimate Enemy
Ultimate War
Ultimate Six
Ultimate Mystery
Ultimate Doom
Ultimate Power
Ultimate Human
Ultimate Vision
Ultimate Comics Spider-Man
Ultimatum
Ultimate Comics Avengers
Ultimate Comics Captain America
Ultimate Comics Thor
Ultimate Comics Hawkeye
Ultimate Comics Iron Man
Ultimate Comics New Ultimates
Ultimate Comics Avengers vs New Ultimates
Ultimate Fallout
Ultimate Comics Ultimates
Ultimates Comics Wolverine
Ultimate Comics Spider-Man (Miles)
Just because I didn't read specific ones like Ultimate X-Men and Ultimates 3 because I don't want to read *too* much garbage doesn't mean I've never read any of them.
The New Ulitimate Universe should be a Blueprint of a Less Woke, more Refine MCU.