1:30 the spring is also more importantly part of the oil bypass so when the filter is completely blocked the oil pump can force that spring back and bypass the oil around the filter media and keep things going. Dirty oil is better then no oil.
This is true in the instance that the spring will allow enough give so that the oil can go back through the seal, which is also called an anti-drain back seal, when pressure is too high or the filter becomes clogged. But it's main function is to keep pressure on the filter itself to keep the filter against the seal and to keep the filter in place. Good point and thanks for watching!
There are many cases in which filters from the major brands are available that are very much of an upgrade from OEM. The latest John Deere fuel filters I have received are printed 'Made in China'! I suppose you would recommend those over a U.S. made Wix or Baldwin! 😂
I would always suggest using the OEM filters since they are specifically designed and engineered a certain way for the machine they are intended to be used on. Even though something may be made overseas does not mean the quality is any less. I would bet you have many things in your possession that were made overseas. Just food for thought, thanks for watching!
@@WesternEquipment The in line filters used to be made in Israel. The point is not overseas vs. domestic but China vs. anywhere else! And if I choose not to support inferior Communist made products, that is my right!
I totally understand. I am in no way saying you HAVE to use OEM filters. I was just clarifying that I would suggest them. I don’t blame anyone for not wanting to support certain countries. Again, thank you for watching!
Good video, can't beat John Deere. I will say though, that in my many years of working in the field, Baldwin brand is by far and large the most common filter on commercial engines.
A filter's job is to filter particulate, at an acceptable oil flow rate. You did not mention anything objective or data driven that supports which filter does the best. Subjective or terms terms like bigger, smaller, better were used throughout the video. You made reference to the the number of holes on the nut-plate, my guess is that any of those would more than flow the necessary oil for the application.... the filter media is going to be the limiting factor. On the plus side, videography was excellent, loved the clean, organized workstation and the commentary was well thought out.
# of pleats don't matter nearly as much as the overall surface area of the filtration material..: Cut the cans, stretch the filtration media to length and then measure as to which filter contains the most media, overall.
I was thinking the same thing. He mentioned surface area, but actually did nothing to measure the surface area. I have seen many videos that taken them apart and even though some have fewer pleats they tend to have more surface area. If thats the case here, then his whole push for which is better would be out the window.
I thought the spring was there to allow oil to bypass the filter element when it was like 'honey'. Cold winter oil won't go through the pleats of the filter very well and will push up against the spring allowing oil to temporarily flow past the filter element rather than through it. The Deere filter doesn't allow for that. I'd rather have a bit of unfiltered oil in the engine than none at all. Once the oil warms, the spring pushed the bypass closed and the filter does it's job. The spring is small because it doesn't do anything. If I'm wrong, I apologize as I don't want to bash an otherwise well thought out filter.
This is true in the instance that the spring will allow enough give so that the oil can go back through the seal, which is also called an anti-drain back seal, when pressure is too high or the filter becomes clogged. But it's main function is to keep pressure on the filter itself to keep the filter against the seal and to keep the filter in place. Good point and thanks for watching!
I think you did a great job. You showed lots of the physical attributes of the different filters You spoke very clear and displayed them all All these negative comments please ignore. I know your boss/peers know you did a good job
I was told by old time mechanic to use Baldwin oil and fuel filters in my dodge diesel truck, so far have had good service, I think I will stay with them, In my 2005 model when you change oil filter by the time you start it up then shut it down to check the oil level the oil is already black,
Would like to see a comparison of Deere filters . In particular the old ones vs the new quick change oil filter . It seems many Deere owners are removing the new expensive new oil filters and using a conversion kit so they can use the old oil filters which cost much less .
I change heavy equipment filters all day long and i can tell you jd factory filters are the hardest filters to get off. Baldwins rarely get stuck even at 1000hrs. Jd filter almost bond to the threads after even 500hrs. Complete p.i.t.a.
6:30 if you really want to know if the holes are a restriction, measure the surface area of the small hole and multiply that by the number of them vs the surface area of the large hole. If it’s the same then more holes doesn’t matter. Your only gonna move oil as fast as the smallest passage will allow.
Great video, thanks for posting. The media height looks taller with the Baldwin, that would increase the filter media square inches and probably approach what the OE filter has. Can you give the height? Also can you give a micron rating for each? Thanks again, great video.
Does anyone really believe that this could possibly be an unbiased review? Try to say one thing GOOD about the other brands dude! Deere's prices are often insane!
@@WesternEquipment There are many cases in which filters from the major brands are available that are very much of an upgrade from OEM. The latest John Deere fuel filters I have received are printed 'Made in China'! I suppose you would recommend those over a U.S. made Wix or Baldwin! 😂
I had to take one of these Mexican made filters back...went to put it on (2 days after purchase) and noticed rust formed on the baseplate. The partsman put it back on the shelf and handed me a different one. I just asked for my money back.
I would like to see a comparison of the John Deere branded oil filters compared to the engine manufactures branded filters ( Briggs & Stratton and Kawasaki). I have an S120 with only 2 hrs. so far. When it's time for the first oil change I will be changing my mower over to a traditional oil change setup. I know oil is going to breakdown from normal use due to heat, oil pressure & dirt no matter how good the oil filter is.
Well all the visual comparison review is interesting. But without bench flow test it's all a guessing game. On the pleat spacing is concerned, they will be moving around as the oil is forced thru them. A person has to understand IF the non Deere filters are so bad. Those brands would had been Sued thus making the product not worth producing.
How many square inches on each, I think it’s very important looking at the outside leaves a lot of questions. I have to say that this was a waist of my time.
John Deere is pretty vague when mentioning specifics on part manufacturing. I can say that all of these filters are engineered by John Deere to meet their high standards. As far as where the filters are actually assembled, i do not have an answer on that one. Thanks for watching!
JD filters are made in Mexico. I run Baldwin on my 5075E. Baldwin and Hastings are the same dilter other than the paint and logo. They used to be, and may still be the same filter as an AMSOIL filter other than the AMSOIL uses synthetic media, where Baldwin/Hadtings do not.
Pretty sure its Donaldson. Last JD filters I bought had the Donaldson logo on them very small, like how the wix parent co logo is on the Napa gold filters.
Well the John Deere part number for your filter is AM125424 so you could use that number to cross it to a car filter. Hope this helps and thanks for watching!
@@WesternEquipment Not confusing at all, John Deere sells the public that being "John Deere" it's a premium product that you need to buy from them, when in fact Deere puts their "premium " filter out on bids , because they have no factory, and whoever gets into their price range gets the deal. So why would you compare a Deere filter to anyone, it's possible the filters you're comparing are the same companies that made Deeres
1:30 the spring is also more importantly part of the oil bypass so when the filter is completely blocked the oil pump can force that spring back and bypass the oil around the filter media and keep things going. Dirty oil is better then no oil.
This is true in the instance that the spring will allow enough give so that the oil can go back through the seal, which is also called an anti-drain back seal, when pressure is too high or the filter becomes clogged. But it's main function is to keep pressure on the filter itself to keep the filter against the seal and to keep the filter in place. Good point and thanks for watching!
There are many cases in which filters from the major brands are available that are very much of an upgrade from OEM. The latest John Deere fuel filters I have received are printed 'Made in China'! I suppose you would recommend those over a U.S. made Wix or Baldwin! 😂
I would always suggest using the OEM filters since they are specifically designed and engineered a certain way for the machine they are intended to be used on. Even though something may be made overseas does not mean the quality is any less. I would bet you have many things in your possession that were made overseas. Just food for thought, thanks for watching!
@@WesternEquipment The in line filters used to be made in Israel. The point is not overseas vs. domestic but China vs. anywhere else! And if I choose not to support inferior Communist made products, that is my right!
I totally understand. I am in no way saying you HAVE to use OEM filters. I was just clarifying that I would suggest them. I don’t blame anyone for not wanting to support certain countries. Again, thank you for watching!
@@WesternEquipment I would probably suggest the products that I sell as well! 😂 Have a good one!
4:05 not necessarily true. The depth and height of the filter media also affects filtering surface area. Not just pleat # alone.
Good point and hopefully I can dive into that a little deeper sometime soon. Thanks for watching!
Good video, can't beat John Deere. I will say though, that in my many years of working in the field, Baldwin brand is by far and large the most common filter on commercial engines.
Thank you and yes this is true. It is a very common filter, but that is why it is used in this comparison. Thanks for watching!
I prefer to go with the OEM oil filters. I discovered with my Ford 6.0 diesel, that only the Motorcraft filter has the correct valve setup.
OEM is always the way to go. Thanks for watching!
Also, the non oem filters for the 6.0 are not as long as the oem filters and do not fit and seal in the canister like them oem is meant to do.
Number of pleats is really apples vs oranges, overall area and property of filter media is what should be compared
This is a good point. Maybe sometime I can dive into this further. Thanks for watching!
Microns Baldwin 5 each
A filter's job is to filter particulate, at an acceptable oil flow rate. You did not mention anything objective or data driven that supports which filter does the best. Subjective or terms terms like bigger, smaller, better were used throughout the video. You made reference to the the number of holes on the nut-plate, my guess is that any of those would more than flow the necessary oil for the application.... the filter media is going to be the limiting factor.
On the plus side, videography was excellent, loved the clean, organized workstation and the commentary was well thought out.
Thank you and thanks for watching!
# of pleats don't matter nearly as much as the overall surface area of the filtration material..:
Cut the cans, stretch the filtration media to length and then measure as to which filter contains the most media, overall.
I was thinking the same thing. He mentioned surface area, but actually did nothing to measure the surface area. I have seen many videos that taken them apart and even though some have fewer pleats they tend to have more surface area. If thats the case here, then his whole push for which is better would be out the window.
This is true and I should have done this for this video.
Exactly. A smaller center tube will result in more media surface area, even if less pleats than a filter with a larger center tube.
I thought the spring was there to allow oil to bypass the filter element when it was like 'honey'. Cold winter oil won't go through the pleats of the filter very well and will push up against the spring allowing oil to temporarily flow past the filter element rather than through it. The Deere filter doesn't allow for that. I'd rather have a bit of unfiltered oil in the engine than none at all. Once the oil warms, the spring pushed the bypass closed and the filter does it's job. The spring is small because it doesn't do anything. If I'm wrong, I apologize as I don't want to bash an otherwise well thought out filter.
This is true in the instance that the spring will allow enough give so that the oil can go back through the seal, which is also called an anti-drain back seal, when pressure is too high or the filter becomes clogged. But it's main function is to keep pressure on the filter itself to keep the filter against the seal and to keep the filter in place. Good point and thanks for watching!
I think you did a great job. You showed lots of the physical attributes of the different filters
You spoke very clear and displayed them all
All these negative comments please ignore. I know your boss/peers know you did a good job
Thank you, I appreciate that!
I was told by old time mechanic to use Baldwin oil and fuel filters in my dodge diesel truck, so far have had good service, I think I will stay with them,
In my 2005 model when you change oil filter by the time you start it up then shut it down to check the oil level the oil is already black,
Don't fix something if it's not broke, can't argue with that.
Would like to see a comparison of Deere filters . In particular the old ones vs the new quick change oil filter . It seems many Deere owners are removing the new expensive new oil filters and using a conversion kit so they can use the old oil filters which cost much less .
Hopefully we can do this soon. I have wanted to do this as well. Thanks for watching!
Great video Brent! John Deere is definitely the better oil filter! Thanks for sharing! Have a great and awesome day!
Thanks Vincent!
Have always used the JD OEM filters in all of my JD equipment. Now I know why.
I change heavy equipment filters all day long and i can tell you jd factory filters are the hardest filters to get off. Baldwins rarely get stuck even at 1000hrs. Jd filter almost bond to the threads after even 500hrs. Complete p.i.t.a.
Interesting. I had never heard of this complaint. What machines are you seeing this on?
@@WesternEquipment any jd excavator or ct322 skid steer. Or wheel loader.
Kinda weird seeing most John deer filters are made at the Baldwin filter plant on the same manufacturing lines.
I seen a video where the guyhad to gut the JD transmission filter to get his tractor to move when cold.
6:30 if you really want to know if the holes are a restriction, measure the surface area of the small hole and multiply that by the number of them vs the surface area of the large hole. If it’s the same then more holes doesn’t matter. Your only gonna move oil as fast as the smallest passage will allow.
Great point. Hopefully I can dive a little deeper into the specs sometime on these. Thanks for watching!
Great video, thanks for posting. The media height looks taller with the Baldwin, that would increase the filter media square inches and probably approach what the OE filter has. Can you give the height? Also can you give a micron rating for each?
Thanks again, great video.
Thanks for helping me deicde i want to go with a wix filter!
Just glad I could help. Thanks for watching!
I know John Deere doesn't manufacture oil filters. Why didn't you compare a fleetguard filter?
I only had these select few at the time, but maybe I can compare a fleetguard in the future.
What about Fram?
Does anyone really believe that this could possibly be an unbiased review? Try to say one thing GOOD about the other brands dude! Deere's prices are often insane!
This video is meant to showcase 4 major filter brands and show the differences. But I may be a bit biased for obvious reasons. Thanks for watching!
@@WesternEquipment "showcase"? lol
We all know John Deere doesn't make their own filters anyway!
@@WesternEquipment There are many cases in which filters from the major brands are available that are very much of an upgrade from OEM. The latest John Deere fuel filters I have received are printed 'Made in China'! I suppose you would recommend those over a U.S. made Wix or Baldwin! 😂
I had to take one of these Mexican made filters back...went to put it on (2 days after purchase) and noticed rust formed on the baseplate. The partsman put it back on the shelf and handed me a different one. I just asked for my money back.
@@davek9378 Rust has nothing to do with the country of manufacture
I would like to see a comparison of the John Deere branded oil filters compared to the engine manufactures branded filters ( Briggs & Stratton and Kawasaki). I have an S120 with only 2 hrs. so far. When it's time for the first oil change I will be changing my mower over to a traditional oil change setup. I know oil is going to breakdown from normal use due to heat, oil pressure & dirt no matter how good the oil filter is.
This may be one I have to do sometime. Good idea and thanks for watching!
You should do the 5424 JD oil filter it's what we use in everything 👍👍
Hopefully I can do some more filter comparison's in the future. I will keep this one in mind. Thanks for watching!
@@WesternEquipment your welcome my friend
I use STP S-3512 for a substitute in my shop ....
they are good filters & cost much less , never a problem with them !!
Fun fact wix makes Napa’s filters so they are the same. They have the same part numbers minus 1 or 2 numbers.
Really fun fact. He already mentioned that twice in the video.
This is true which is why I made sure to mention that. Thanks for watching!
Well all the visual comparison review is interesting. But without bench flow test it's all a guessing game. On the pleat spacing is concerned, they will be moving around as the oil is forced thru them.
A person has to understand IF the non Deere filters are so bad. Those brands would had been Sued thus making the product not worth producing.
These are valid points. Thanks for watching!
Can you tell who manufactures: oil" and "fuel" filters for John Deere, I heard fuel filters are manufactured by Parker Hannifin
I actually do not have that information unfortunately.
How many square inches on each, I think it’s very important looking at the outside leaves a lot of questions. I have to say that this was a waist of my time.
This is a good point. I will try to make a follow up to this video to get this figure.
interesting fact for you, Baldwin filters probably made every single one of those filters.
Interesting. I will have to try and look into this. Thanks for watching!
Great information thanks 🇨🇦👍
Thank you and thanks for watching!
Can you do a review on the x394? I’m thinking about buying one but there are no good review videos anywhere for them. Thanks!
If I had one in stock I definitely would. I will put it on the list and thanks for watching!
Do all these filters fit same tractor and or same motor and or are these actually motor oil filters..........
Who makes the oil filters for Deere? Are they USA or foreign made?
John Deere is pretty vague when mentioning specifics on part manufacturing. I can say that all of these filters are engineered by John Deere to meet their high standards. As far as where the filters are actually assembled, i do not have an answer on that one. Thanks for watching!
All those are made in china !
I saw quite a few Deere and Cat filters being made at the Baldwin factory in Nebraska..
Fleetguard, Cummins Filtration
JD filters are made in Mexico. I run Baldwin on my 5075E. Baldwin and Hastings are the same dilter other than the paint and logo. They used to be, and may still be the same filter as an AMSOIL filter other than the AMSOIL uses synthetic media, where Baldwin/Hadtings do not.
The John Deere filters for the 100 series has only 8 drain holes. These filters you are talking about are for the big John Deeres..
Yes, these are for the larger tractor.
Why didn’t you examine the Baldwin pleat system? Or did I miss that?
@bill davis has got you covered. Thanks for watching!
So does John Deere have one for my Toyota Crlica ?
So are the small jd oil filters just as good
From what I have seen, yes they are. Good question and thanks for watching!
Who contracts with John Deere to produce their oil & filters ?
Good question. I will see if I can figure this out. Thanks for watching!
Last I heard it was Donaldson but don’t quote me on that.
Pretty sure its Donaldson. Last JD filters I bought had the Donaldson logo on them very small, like how the wix parent co logo is on the Napa gold filters.
Olej john deere jest produkowany przez shell . Filtry produkuje MANN FILTER . Dlatego w większości takich porównań zawsze brakuje filtrów MANN
This video just shows rhe Wix/Napa filter is better by a lot than the Deere filter. Same flow and filtering power in smaller size
The vid might be today 🙂
Awesome!
*:)* hey what's your opinion about case ih
I think you already know the answer to this one. Haha
I don't lol
Hey what size car oil filter would I use for a lt160
Well the John Deere part number for your filter is AM125424 so you could use that number to cross it to a car filter. Hope this helps and thanks for watching!
I use STP S-3512 & never had any problems !!
Wix may have better paper, there are concave shaped passages for the oil to pass through
Nice observation. Thanks for watching!
Different wright on others
Thanks for watching!
I think there are donuts in that white bag.
Shoot. I didn’t think people would figure that out.
Who came to the comments to tell him Wix makes Napa's filters? Lol
Haha yes, a lot of people have and i make sure to say that at 1:03 in the video.
@@WesternEquipment right! But it's funny to read all the comments. 🤣🤣🤣
Baldwin 5 microns each
Thanks for the info and for watching!
Where's John Deere filter factory?
Yeah it doesn't exist, they are made by the cheapest bid probably off shore.
Interesting. I’m confused by how after watching this video you would think the John Deere filters are made cheap, but thanks for watching!
@@WesternEquipment Not confusing at all, John Deere sells the public that being "John Deere" it's a premium product that you need to buy from them, when in fact Deere puts their "premium " filter out on bids , because they have no factory, and whoever gets into their price range gets the deal. So why would you compare a Deere filter to anyone, it's possible the filters you're comparing are the same companies that made Deeres
It’s no secret, pull it out of of the box and it reads: MADE IN MEXICO
Does this guy know how to talk at all?
Ouch, I guess I was struggling in this one. Thanks for watching!
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Haha thanks for watching!
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Haha cheater!