I converted earlier this year and I went to the temple for the first time last week and I was baptized for deceased ancestors and I got to perform proxy baptisms as well and it was one of the best experiences of my life. I felt the spirit of Heavenly Father strongly that day. I even had the post-temple blues when I got home. I hope to go to the temple more often as I learn and grow in my faith :)
I'm so glad you found us here and shared that with us! I haven't done baptisms for a long time, but I completed the rest of the work for one of my ancestors a few months ago and I felt the same thing. It's awe-inspiring to be a part of this work, to feel that there is more to this life than just living for ourselves, that there is a next life and people waiting for us to help them. Thanks for sharing!!
Congrats on the channel! Appreciate your positive message to stay in the church. =) As for my experience, it's definitely not easy to have conversations on social media about Joseph Smith, the church, and the Book of Mormon. However, if you stay positive and offer what your convictions and experience are then you'll likely gain at least their civility, and maybe new friends. =) What I've noticed on Twitter, for example, is people reuse the same arguments and slander. However, if you're willing to have a conversation with these people then maybe half the time they really just want to know more about the church so they're telling you their fears about it. It helps to know say the difference between a sealing to a family member vs marriage in the temple. That's very confusing to those that don't know they're different. So they'll say incorrect information about Joseph Smith and it's pretty simple to point out the difference. Whether they grasp that concept or not depends on their background. Most importantly, I would say is to remain calm and have a discussion. The ones that aren't interested in that will usually have crude language and get impatient then call you a name and move on. lol The ones who want to learn and be civil might not have a civil tone but they appreciate your convictions. I'll also mention things like Truman Madsen's discourses on Joseph Smith if they want to get a better overall picture of who the man was and what kind of prophet he was. Quite often a lot of these firesides, talks, etc, are available on CZcams already.
Thank you for taking the time to write out all of this insight! You mentioned things I had never thought about before. I am a huge proponent of civil debate and listening to understand. I'm not great at it yet, but I'm trying, and I am so grateful for others who set that good example. Thanks, and welcome to the channel!
1:07 you state today is it so important to love the temple and to have a deep deep desire to go... even if you don't understand it. Why? - Why are we so unaware of the hurt the temple is to some people. Are we afraid of it? If we do learn it and start to "see" it and acknowledge it to the point that we start to show and demonstrate empathy - will that damage our own connection to the temple. What temple aspects do you ignore in order to maintain your image of temple? FOr me it is not a matter of understanding the history of the temple in its context and in its time - but learning the Freemason aspects that are still a part of the temple became a forever deal breaker for me. Tell me we don't have an agenda when we talk about and disclose in full transparency. Do we tell the youth new to the temple you will do these hand gestures and this is what they mean. NOPE and worse we weaponize the temple and threaten. If you don't go to the temple become worthy of the temple go continually to the temple you will not be able to be with your family and loved ones forever. "I have covenanted to do so".... Well, I declare my covenant invalid on the churches part because I did not have full disclosure and transparency of the ordinance.
I sort of get where you’re coming from. We all have a different twist in our experiences with the temple, so I can’t say I totally get you. I did not love the temple and did not go back for a long time. When I returned I had a very different experience and understanding. I have wished for more information and understanding of tokens and symbols and wish the church would teach about them more plainly. Because that was my biggest obstacle it has turned into my favorite part of the endowment. Information has come in unexpected ways. For that long span when I wasn’t going and wasn’t seeking to understand, I still knew God is real and understands me more than I understand myself. Thanks for sharing your experience and feelings and making this conversation real.
Hi, thanks for weighing in on this. I'm glad you shared your perspective, because all are needed and valid. I can only speak from my increasingly positive experience with the temple, and that going for the last 12 years has been a journey and has had its ups and downs. I am at a place now where I'm glad I stuck it out. I trust that it comes from God, is ordained of God, and if I didn't have that trust, I'm not sure I could have pushed through the hard things. All I can say is that I'm sorry, and I'm hearing you. Thanks for being candid and real about your experience.
@@ScrivenArt Welcome to the channel! I love your witness of how a hard part of the temple became your favorite part. You're right, we all have different triggers, so things will affect us all differently. But I believe God can transform any hurt if we choose to wait on Him, wrestle with it, and have patience. I've seen it happen for me, and I'm grateful to Jesus for giving me opportunities to heal and grow in this life because of His sacrifice.
Hey! Thanks for being here and engaging on the channel. I really appreciate it. I don't know that I have a comprehensive answer to that question, it's something I would like to go research more for myself. But what I do know is that most religions that are earnest in trying to follow the principles found in the gospel of Jesus Christ, are rooted in some truth. I find there is so much good in most religions, and I would like to study Freemasonry to see what we might have in common. Again, thanks for the comment, thanks for being here.
Because Joseph Smith was a Freemason and took the temple rituals from the Freemason's. And when you research Freemason's you may find that when they reach the highest level they have to sign their soul over to Satan. So Freemasonry ends up being satan worship, and mormons are performing satan worship in their temples. That's also why mormons are not allowed to be Freemason's because then they would realize that their temple "work" comes from Freemasonry i.e. Satan worship.
Because Joseph Smith and other leaders of the early Mormon church were freemasons and stole much of the endowment ceremony, symbology, signs, and token from mason ceremonies. The temple ordinances like the endowment and sealing were originally set up in Nauvoo to institute and keep secret plural marriages. That's what all the secrecy (and former blood oaths, are all about). See D&C 132. It's all right there in black and white.
The real question to be asked is why are some of the Freemason rituals similar to the LDS Temple. Solomon’s Temple came before Freemasonry. Another interesting fact is how similar the rituals and teachings done in sweat lodges are to the Temple. Chief Midegah from the Ojibwe tribe says it’s impossible his Elders taught Joseph Smith and therefore it must have been revealed by God
Because 7 weeks before the endowment was instituted, Joseph Smith reached the highest degree of Masonry. Then, the endowment appeared. And if you look deeper, it was for polygamists only, at first. I've researched this, talked to Masons read their history and none of this has to do with Solomons temple. It was started long after Solomons temple and was more of a boys club to begin with. It's an excuse used to ease the question. You can ignore reality, but you cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.
I converted earlier this year and I went to the temple for the first time last week and I was baptized for deceased ancestors and I got to perform proxy baptisms as well and it was one of the best experiences of my life. I felt the spirit of Heavenly Father strongly that day. I even had the post-temple blues when I got home. I hope to go to the temple more often as I learn and grow in my faith :)
I'm so glad you found us here and shared that with us! I haven't done baptisms for a long time, but I completed the rest of the work for one of my ancestors a few months ago and I felt the same thing. It's awe-inspiring to be a part of this work, to feel that there is more to this life than just living for ourselves, that there is a next life and people waiting for us to help them. Thanks for sharing!!
Just wait until you hear about the church doing baptisms for the dead for Holocaust victims, against the will of their living descendants. Good times.
Yes, The Hunchback of Notre Dame is so good! I had to post (last year?) on instagram and Facebook about it. My family should watch it again soon.
Congrats on the channel! Appreciate your positive message to stay in the church. =) As for my experience, it's definitely not easy to have conversations on social media about Joseph Smith, the church, and the Book of Mormon. However, if you stay positive and offer what your convictions and experience are then you'll likely gain at least their civility, and maybe new friends. =)
What I've noticed on Twitter, for example, is people reuse the same arguments and slander. However, if you're willing to have a conversation with these people then maybe half the time they really just want to know more about the church so they're telling you their fears about it.
It helps to know say the difference between a sealing to a family member vs marriage in the temple. That's very confusing to those that don't know they're different. So they'll say incorrect information about Joseph Smith and it's pretty simple to point out the difference. Whether they grasp that concept or not depends on their background.
Most importantly, I would say is to remain calm and have a discussion. The ones that aren't interested in that will usually have crude language and get impatient then call you a name and move on. lol The ones who want to learn and be civil might not have a civil tone but they appreciate your convictions.
I'll also mention things like Truman Madsen's discourses on Joseph Smith if they want to get a better overall picture of who the man was and what kind of prophet he was. Quite often a lot of these firesides, talks, etc, are available on CZcams already.
Thank you for taking the time to write out all of this insight! You mentioned things I had never thought about before. I am a huge proponent of civil debate and listening to understand. I'm not great at it yet, but I'm trying, and I am so grateful for others who set that good example. Thanks, and welcome to the channel!
Is it slander, if it's true information?
1:07 you state today is it so important to love the temple and to have a deep deep desire to go... even if you don't understand it. Why? - Why are we so unaware of the hurt the temple is to some people. Are we afraid of it? If we do learn it and start to "see" it and acknowledge it to the point that we start to show and demonstrate empathy - will that damage our own connection to the temple. What temple aspects do you ignore in order to maintain your image of temple? FOr me it is not a matter of understanding the history of the temple in its context and in its time - but learning the Freemason aspects that are still a part of the temple became a forever deal breaker for me. Tell me we don't have an agenda when we talk about and disclose in full transparency. Do we tell the youth new to the temple you will do these hand gestures and this is what they mean. NOPE and worse we weaponize the temple and threaten. If you don't go to the temple become worthy of the temple go continually to the temple you will not be able to be with your family and loved ones forever.
"I have covenanted to do so".... Well, I declare my covenant invalid on the churches part because I did not have full disclosure and transparency of the ordinance.
I sort of get where you’re coming from. We all have a different twist in our experiences with the temple, so I can’t say I totally get you.
I did not love the temple and did not go back for a long time. When I returned I had a very different experience and understanding.
I have wished for more information and understanding of tokens and symbols and wish the church would teach about them more plainly. Because that was my biggest obstacle it has turned into my favorite part of the endowment. Information has come in unexpected ways.
For that long span when I wasn’t going and wasn’t seeking to understand, I still knew God is real and understands me more than I understand myself.
Thanks for sharing your experience and feelings and making this conversation real.
Hi, thanks for weighing in on this. I'm glad you shared your perspective, because all are needed and valid. I can only speak from my increasingly positive experience with the temple, and that going for the last 12 years has been a journey and has had its ups and downs. I am at a place now where I'm glad I stuck it out. I trust that it comes from God, is ordained of God, and if I didn't have that trust, I'm not sure I could have pushed through the hard things. All I can say is that I'm sorry, and I'm hearing you. Thanks for being candid and real about your experience.
@@ScrivenArt Welcome to the channel! I love your witness of how a hard part of the temple became your favorite part. You're right, we all have different triggers, so things will affect us all differently. But I believe God can transform any hurt if we choose to wait on Him, wrestle with it, and have patience. I've seen it happen for me, and I'm grateful to Jesus for giving me opportunities to heal and grow in this life because of His sacrifice.
Why are the temple rituals so similar to Freemasonry
Hey! Thanks for being here and engaging on the channel. I really appreciate it.
I don't know that I have a comprehensive answer to that question, it's something I would like to go research more for myself. But what I do know is that most religions that are earnest in trying to follow the principles found in the gospel of Jesus Christ, are rooted in some truth. I find there is so much good in most religions, and I would like to study Freemasonry to see what we might have in common. Again, thanks for the comment, thanks for being here.
Because Joseph Smith was a Freemason and took the temple rituals from the Freemason's. And when you research Freemason's you may find that when they reach the highest level they have to sign their soul over to Satan. So Freemasonry ends up being satan worship, and mormons are performing satan worship in their temples. That's also why mormons are not allowed to be Freemason's because then they would realize that their temple "work" comes from Freemasonry i.e. Satan worship.
Because Joseph Smith and other leaders of the early Mormon church were freemasons and stole much of the endowment ceremony, symbology, signs, and token from mason ceremonies. The temple ordinances like the endowment and sealing were originally set up in Nauvoo to institute and keep secret plural marriages. That's what all the secrecy (and former blood oaths, are all about). See D&C 132. It's all right there in black and white.
The real question to be asked is why are some of the Freemason rituals similar to the LDS Temple. Solomon’s Temple came before Freemasonry.
Another interesting fact is how similar the rituals and teachings done in sweat lodges are to the Temple. Chief Midegah from the Ojibwe tribe says it’s impossible his Elders taught Joseph Smith and therefore it must have been revealed by God
Because 7 weeks before the endowment was instituted, Joseph Smith reached the highest degree of Masonry. Then, the endowment appeared. And if you look deeper, it was for polygamists only, at first.
I've researched this, talked to Masons read their history and none of this has to do with Solomons temple. It was started long after Solomons temple and was more of a boys club to begin with. It's an excuse used to ease the question.
You can ignore reality, but you cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.