Disney films are just replicas for the classic fairy tales but I can't deny that they started a beautiful era of fantasy. As for ghibli, they are films made from heart of the creator with depth in each of the characters plus wonderful animation to feast on. I say both are great but ghibli moves refine the beauty of storytelling and imagination!
Disney princesses are more then "just needing a man" and having no "self worth". They empower themselves in their own ways and find love along the way too. Ex. Cinderella whole thing is about being kind even through the hardest of times. She just got lucky and found a prince who wants her but she never went out of her way for it.
I think the films like Snow White and Sleeping Beauty really set the "damsel in distress" and needing a man. Its a shame since we have other Disney films like Mulan and Beauty and the Beast that shows otherwise and gives them power and agency they deserve
Ariel and eric save each multiple times and the whole point he kills Ursula is to prove to her Dad that not all humans are bad and that he loves Ariel plus they both adventurous personality plus, she interest in the surface frist even before she met eric
I don't care for Disney princesses but I never seen the that way. They all have distinct personalities and they all definitely had self worth. And no one thinks about the princes
@@lilli7040 i think thats bc those films where made in the very beginning and around that time girls in general(not only disney princesses) where portrayed as damsels in distress and just something for men to use
I.... kinda disagree with the no sense of self worth for Disney princeses haha! For example, Jasmine's whole character was being a girl trapped in her status, and but knew her worth, highlighted by her exclamation against her father, Jafar, and Prince Ali, "I am not a prize to be won"
@@Moa_avipsa oh! I'll rewatch it, but Ik she didn't mention Jasmine specifically or any of em, I used her as an example ^0^ But she does have an amazing story of how ghibli inspired her 💙
Especially the song she sings in the live action "I won't be silenced! won't tremble when you try it, all I knows' that I won't be speechless speechless!"
@@kyara1835 Tell me if you're in abusive situation and you're given the chance to get out of it, and you're not going to accept it and be like, "But I don't know who's providing me the chance!". I understand you're point, because for many years I thought that too. And I still think that. But I think before we make any judgements on her and her decisions, we should also analyse what situation she was in since her childhood and what motivated her to make that decision. We all very easily say that Cinderella was so stupid to marry a man she didn't fully know, but if we were in her shoes we would have made the exact same choice. I know I would.
Honestly it makes me sad to see how badly Disney princesses are looked at. Growing up they literally encouraged me to do so much. When are people gonna see that just because you love doesn't mean that's the only thing you're about.
@@Imakebigotsseethe Who said that? Who said I wanted to be viewed in that way? The Disney Princesses are not like that at all. Just because you want true love or are saved by someone does not make you weak. Plenty of the Disney Princesses are strong. Jasmine, Tiana, and Merida are good examples. You guys simply take a false cry that someone made and run with it. The princesses are anything but weak. Mulan literally takes down a whole army and she is considered a Disney princess. I don't know who started the Disney Princess hate but honestly it's just because of people's stupidity and want for attention that they cry over something that isn't even happening.
@@raeraemovedlol There's a lot more. Jasmine is such a strong princess. Merida is a strong princess. Mulan is a strong princess. Vanellope is a strong princess. Rapunzel is a strong princess. Disney Princesses are not weak, you CHOOSE to view them as such.
@@raeraemovedlol snow white is also a strong character as she showed kindness to everyone despite how they treat her. She didnt despair when her step mom made her a maid and hopes to have a better future. Same goes to cinderella, she became independent overnight and learned how to do chores herself despite being a noble and a child. If anything, they are survivors of domestic abuse and are strong in preserving themselves. Belle give herself to the beast in order to save her dad, she's strong for her courage and her act of sacrifice, not knowing if she will be killed or be tortured for a monster's entertainment. Sleeping beauty is debatable, but in all honesty shes just an average girl who unfortunately got cursed to sleep eternally and unfortunately the only solution the fairy give her is a damn kiss... But other then that, she turns out pretty fine dispite no communication with people in her age and having 3 moms that nag and argue every single thing
Gurl!Disney princesses aren't dumb and weak.They represented femeninity and kindness (so kind that even the animals loved them). In the midst of the sad changes that happened to them they were still optimistic and hopeful.They represented a different spectrum of strength compared to ghibli leads
Thank you! It feels sometimes like people have read so many Buzzfeed articles on how Disney princesses are “helpless” and “damsels” etc. that we forget the characters we actually watched as children, and think of them only as this new pop culture understanding of them. Cinderella’s sheer amount of snark and sarcasm is deeply surprising upon rewatch after being exposed to how much people dismiss her for so long.
Most Disney princesses have a sense of self outside of needing a man. For starters Snow White who gets the most shit for needing a man only even talks about the prince 3 times and he’s barely relevant, she’s hardworking, compassionate caring, we see her when she’s vulnerable and scared in the woods and then when she realises she was scaring the animals she overcomes her fears with compassion and empathy. She’s an incredibly kind person and people say she’s not independent but she kind of is? She takes responsibility for cleaning the house in exchange for a room and food because she’s like “their living environment sucks and they need some self help.”, and she develops a friendship with them. But she has flaws in being too naive and trusting to a fault. She’s not some damsel in distress. Then Cinderella also gets a lot of shit for being a damsel, and it’s like this young woman is an abuse victim, hello?! You can’t just expect her to go off on her own in a world that would likely be very hard for her to get room and shelter. Another thing about her is that she’s hardworking and compassionate, she does her job and tries to be optimistic despite her abuse. She wants one night out to go to the ball, (she didn’t even want to meet the prince and when she meets him she’s like “oh wait- I haven’t met the prince lol.”. She also takes agency in trying to break out of her room after being locked up. And she deserves better than being relegated to a gold digger. Aurora, ehh She’s not much of a character because the story isn’t actually focused on her but rather Prince Phillip, but she does have characterisation through her relationships with the animals and the fairies. Ariel has a heck ton of personality and characterisation, she’s very curious, passionate and caring, she has a very big desire to be human and to explore their world and culture. We see her brushing her hair, humming as she happily swims, we see her heart and vulnerable after her dad destroys her all her stuff. She’s got a lot of character and she doesn’t give up her voice for a man, she trades her voice for legs so she can go to the human world, granted it’s in a manipulative deal and partially motivated by her crush + being emotionally hurt by her father. Belle is a very curious woman, she loves reading, she sticks up for herself, she doesn’t take shit from Gaston or the Beast. She is a dreamer though and she wants to find someone who understands her. She doesn’t experience Stockholm syndrome, she’s not much of a prisoner and it’s more of a promise to stay, which she breaks when she’s done putting up with his shit. She only chooses to stay because he needs help after being attacked by wolves after hurting her, then she starts to see his humanity and he has a character arc and she starts liking him. Jasmine, lots of agency and personality, she wants more out of life and wants to be able to make her own choices, so she runs away, meets a cute guy who gets arrested and she thinks he’s dead. She actually tells Aladdin to piss off when he’s being a douche. She’s intelligent and resourceful, we see her upset and in her room, she stands up for herself. She manages to trick Aladdin into confirming that he’s Aladdin. Pocahauntus I’m not going to touch with a ten foot pole because she was a real person and she deserves better than to be represented in that shitty story made up by the gross creepy John Smith. Mulan, do I need say more? She’s great. Tiana, another hardworking woman, just wish she wasn’t a frog for over half the movie, she deserved better. Rapunzel, naive but Kind, headstrong, she’s great. Merida, another headstrong princess, ect. I think a lot of perceptions about the princesses as weak and pathetic, are based off misogynistic standards that women cannot be strong unless they have masculine traits like physical strength, a lot of the time it is the princess’ determination, perseverance and resilience that saves her, while the prince just finishes the job acting as a plot device. And to say that a woman needing help is bad, is also just wrong, because it’s alright to ask for help regardless of gender. Saying that these women are shallow weak caricatures is simply false, because they have personality, they have motivation and desires, their lives don’t just circle around a man, but they do get their romance because there’s nothing wrong with wanting romance. And a lot of people lack the comprehension skills to look at the characters on a deeper level and propagate the messages that are spread by people who don’t have an accurate understanding of the story such as that “I don’t let my kids watch the little mermaid because She gave up her voice for a man” statement. That’s simply not true and if they’d actually watch the films, people would see that the princesses have much more depth than people give them credit for, and that the general concedes surrounding the films are simply just wrong.
I am so happy somebody wrote this! The message that asking for help when needed or seeking romantic relationships is weak is toxic for any child, and calling feminine traits "weak" is the opposite of "girl empowerment".
Ariel literally changed her body for a guy... Yes she was interested in being human before Eric, but she ultimately changed and tried to fit in because of him. I watched Disney movies thousands of times when I was a kid and none of them felt 1/8 as empowering as one viewing of Nausicaa or Spirited Away or Mononoke.
"Damsels in distress, having no sense of self-worth outside of needing a man." ... Did we watch the same movies? Damsels in distress is common, but a lot of the Disney Princesses didn't really have much of a lack of self worth. A couple of examples are Ariel, who didn't originally want a man, but instead wanted to go to the surface to explore as she was fascinated by it. Jasmine never demonstrated needing a man, seeing as any man that went to ask for her hand in marriage was chased off by her. She, instead, wanted to escape the pressures of palace life, and gradually fell in love with Aladdin who she got to know. Mulan went to war to protect her father, and fell in love with the general. Just because a young woman falls in love, or doesn't display things such as physical strength in battle along the way does not immediately make her weak with a lack of self-worth. Please remember this.
Please stop saying all the disney princesses are just damsels in distress. They have character. They have wants, desires, goals and accomplishments. Yes studio Ghibli movies are amazing but stop perpetuating the lies that old Disney movies are just about a woman being saved. The Disney princesses are so much more than that.
Female disney characters weren't just damsels in distress. Do you remember Mulan? (The real one, not the new wannabe Jedi-Mulan) She had no special powers just dedication and rescued everyone while no one had faith in her. Now Disney ist just a woke mess.
One of my favorite moments in the original Mulan is when she retrives the arrow. It wouldnt make sence for her to be phisicaly stronger then the male soldiers and that wasnt the case. She managed to do it becose of her intelligance which is already established at the begining of the movie.
Snow White was literally a mother to 7 misbehaving children and taught them to be better people. But I guess that's a failure in the eyes of a crazy feminist.
You're definitely not the target audience for things like Ghibli. (which teaches good lessons and woman empowerment, something people like you hate for some reason) Keep watching your damsel trash.
That's not the point. Women in Ghibli films are usually feminine too, the difference being pointed out that their narratives aren't just about getting in a relantoship
@@kalamies. Yes but being in a relationship doesnt make you any less independent or strong. Maybe princesses like Snow White and Sleeping Beauty are damsels in distresses, but all the other princesses have tons of other personalities and strengths that we overlook because everyones so focused on being woke. Seeking love doesnt make you weak or "feminine" or uncool, and it shouldnt take away what makes you either.
I’m sorry but am I the only one that is super tired of people calling the classical Disney princess movies an example of “damsel in distress” or “no self worth?” like the majority of the classical Disney princess movies they’re very empowering in their way and weren’t really what’s the modern world tells that they are. Snow White escapes death three times throughout the movie which is very impressive, the first thing that she saw when she escapes was a house and went in the house, no one that a damsel in distress would escape death three times by herself and know what to do when she’s was about to get killed Snow White saw the opportunity and went into the house for her safety. Cinderella had only one main goal throughout the Movie, She wanted to go to the ball. She did not have the Prince in her mind when she wanted to go to the ball, the prince ended up dancing with her because he found her beautiful not only that she also left the prince During the ball night And also escape her stepmother attempting to hide her from the prince when he was trying to find her Similar things with Ariel she wanted To be a human/go up to the surface Due to her father's strict rules she was forbidden to go but she did it anyway just to see what it was like when she Was up to the surface The ship Was about to sink and not only that when the prince was drowning Ariel save his Life without even knowing him pretty Much empowerment right there And what about Belle not only she was not scared by the beast she also took care of him throughout the movie These Disney princess movies are the definition of empowerment but also falling in love at the same time a lot of people in the modern world don’t understand that falling in love can also be empowering I just don’t like how the modern world sees some female character falling in love and immediately think that she’s a damsel and distress and use the “she doesn’t need a man in her life She’s can be independent” on her just because they don’t like how she’s written I feel like that female characters can be empowering and falling in love at the same time it’s natural to fall in love with somebody and the Disney princesses art example of them being empowering but also falling in love at the same time
I get what you mean, but disney princesses are more than that. They empowered themselves in a more "traditionally feminine" way. I love more proactive female characters who do all the fighting. But I also love that we can also have female characters like traditional Disney princesses. Its called diversity and variety for a reason. We can have both, yall!
I.... what? No sense of self-worth? Being a princess rescued by a prince means you are intrinsically worthy of saving! Princesses don't even have to do anything and they are the most valued people in the story!
There’s a difference between having self-worth and being valued as a story prop. Not that I personally think disney princess movies are like that, but a character can be useless and undefined while other characters rescue or protect them.
yes exactly ahd that is not self worth at all, their entire element revolves around them being precious vulnerable creatures that need to be saved by a men, well mostly , there r great examples of gud Disney princess writing, my personal faves r tiana, pocahontas, jasmine,belle
@@Moa_avipsa It's literally men's job to protect women. That's a huge part of our purpose on earth. Why do you think being protected and rescued by a man is a bad thing?
@@NowaboMusic It's not that being protected and rescued is in and of itself a bad thing. It's that it's not something a woman can aspire to do, but something that is done to her by someone else. Everyone wants to accomplish something meaningful with their own two hands. Goal-setting and feelings of success are the keys to self-worth and self-confidence for everyone, regardless of gender. In stories like this, characters like Aurora or Cinderella are presented to the audience as inherently kind, inherently beautiful, and inherently graceful. These traits make them worthy of being loved and rescued by their respective princes. It could be said that, as role models, they can teach little girls to aspire for those traits, but the characters themselves are never shown working to better themselves. Even though kindness, beauty, and grace are all skills that can be trained and honed, these stories tell the audience that Aurora and Cinderella are naturally and inherently this way from birth, while counterpart villains are naturally and inherently evil. There is no road demonstrated for how to better oneself and become like the heroines. So, according to the example set in these stories, if my worth is determined from what I am inherently from birth, and if my life has the same amount of meaning regardless of whether I'm awake or asleep like Snow White or Sleeping Beauty, what reason do I have to get up in the morning? If my value is only intrinsic to my appearance, what am I supposed to do with my time that feels worthwhile?
@@kazmori6981 Okay, this is a great analysis and rebuttal. I suppose the reason stories like these have the princess playing the passive role is because this story is only a tiny story within life. It's essentially the courting stage or a relationship. A story where both men and women have agency and heroic roles happens AFTER marriage.
And none of the films emasculated the men in order to show the strong female leads, they did it naturally and - in the cases of there being two leads of the opposite gender - showed the strengths of both characters.
Miyazaki also wrote very strong female villains, who were cold and calculating without being typecast. Miyazaki supports women's wrongs as well as women's rights.
Disney princess movies are more gear toward romance than action and adventure so they do romance over everything. Ghibli films aren't just focus on romance So comparing the two is kinda hard. When the two have differb focus of story telling
I liked how Howl's moving castle starts like a Disney film, with Sophi getting cursed and looking for a hero, but we then find out that Sophi can fix her own curse and Howl has a curse that's even worse than her's.
Disney is following a formula. Obviously, they can't change it too much, or it wouldn't be recognized as Cinderella or Little Mermaid. You can't compare an original story with an established story that has been around for hundreds of years. He did do a retelling of Howls Moving Castle, but let's face it, Disney would have gotten their hands on it eventually. Disney has done strong women before you just happened to choose the classics. We had Esmerlda, Meg, Jane, Wendy, and Nala. Apples and Oranges
Cant we just agree that both studios made some of the most influencial movies that truly will stand the test of time Theres no point in comparing studios that make great but very different works
Damsels in distress? Jasmine would rather be a slave than forced to marry Jafar Cinderella remained kind, positive and did the best of the situation she was in, she could not escape it was literslly 3 against 1 Snow white was a literal child when she ran away, her only fsult being that she was naive enough to accept a gift from a stranger. And Belle was the one who saved the Beast giving him back his will to fight Gaston and until the point where he started being nice to her she defied him any chance she got
Ghibli films are not some kinda feminism pushing whatever movies. They’re masterpieces in the story they tell not that the main character is often a woman
Why can't it just be ok to have both. Some of us women want to watch the the princesses falling in love and being rescued by a handsome prince, and it's okay.
Disney princesses do have self worth, the man was just a bonus. There's no need to bring up disney, put it down to praise Hayao Miyazaki's works. I love both of them, and I think in being feminine and being strong are shown differently(but at the same time kinda the same). For example, in Hayao Miyazaki films, girls are strong and independent, however this doesn't mean that disney princesses aren't strong. Being able to remain kind when you're faced with various trauma inducing situations in and of itself is strong. Being a damsel of distress and being saved by a prince doesn't make you any less strong. I love both Disney and Ghibli films and the messages they send us.
I disagree. Disney princesses aren't lacking a sense of self worth, especially ones like Jasmine. Do a lot of them have a lack of agency? Sure, but so much of the story is how they overcame that. To me, the difference between Ghibli and Disney is what they portray, not who they portray. Disney movies are about grand adventures, and escaping the ordinary. But Ghibli romanticizes that ordinary. It communicates the value of flawed and sometimes unappealing life because it is real. Disney is full escapism while Ghibli is consolidating and loving reality. That's what I think anyway.
Disney Princess movies aren’t about needing a man for example in The Little Mermaid Ariel wanted legs from the very beginning because she is adventurous and wanted to see the human world Eric just came along as a bonus once she met him, in Cinderella all she wanted was a to take a break from her stepmother and stepsisters to go have fun at the ball she wasn’t even thinking about Charming he just happened to come along with it when she met him if all you can see in the princesses is them just being a “ damsel in distress” or “ needing a man to come save them” then I think that says more about you for focusing all the attention on men when the movie is about the princess and anyway when did it become a crime to fall in love you can love a man and still be strong it’s people with thoughts like this that are messing up all of Disney’s remakes you can add more to a character without completely removing who they truly are TLDR: Rewatch the Disney movies because this take was a complete miss
Yep, also Jasmine, Mulan, Merida, Tiana, Esmerlda, Meg, Nala. I also think Cinderella and Snow White are actually very strong while also being feminine and kindhearted. I really like them, they show you don't have to act like a man to be a strong person. You can be feminine and very strong at the same time.
How dare you call Jasmine a damsel in distress with no self worth. She said in her film "How dare you. All of you. Standing around deciding my future. I am not a prize to be won."
I disagree with you that Disney princesses have no self-worth. It's a shame that many people nowadays see Disney princesses only as damsels in distress and not as a character who are kind, and caring and didn't change their principles even though they faced cruelty from the world. They have power but not like the girl boss, many people believe it to be true empowerment. Cinderella is my favorite Disney princess, She faced so much cruelty from her stepmother and stepsister, the death of her father and the constant mental and verbal abuse from them would make any person lose their faith in kindness and dwindle their principal. But she had so much faith in her kindness and herself that she never changed anything about her. And the fact that people say Cinderella waited for the prince is false. She never went to the ball because of the prince, she went there just for the ball. It's just that the prince was so impressed by her kindness and beauty that he fell in love with her. And after knowing her true self he still loved her as she is.
Disney princess in need of help!? Girl nah- Ex: Cinderella: stay kind and work hard. Always think positive. Just want to go out for one day, got lucky to find guy. Mulan: wento battle not because she wabted to, she did it for her father. Saves china Arial: want to see a whole new workd and explore. Pocahontas: the nature girl who is smart with her words and love to have fun. Love animals and nature. Does her best for the people. They are not week. You cna have love in your life, you can sometime need help in your life. You are not weak to get help or have love in your life. Its also oaky to accept your soft and female side as well
The problem here is everyone seems to thinks these things are at odds with one another. Yes, they are different and even appear opposite, but in truth they are both pieces of the same puzzle.
Disney princesses are about damsels in distress with no self worth? Oh that’s fucking rich : -Mulan took the initiative to be a soldier to save her father -Merida didn’t want to just be a prissy princess and forced to marry a neighbouring Rules’ son -Moana just wanted to return the heart to save her family and community -Tiana worked with her own hands to get her dream restaurant for her daddy -Elsa didn’t want to be saved
Why are disney princesses looked down on now? I get that the main argument is "not everyone wants to be a princess", which is fine. But being a damsel in distress wasn't their only character traits. Mulan saved China, Tiana was a successful entrepreneur and even Ariel had curiosity, even if there was a man involved. While I do prefer Ghibli over Disney, people need to stop painting femininity as being weak or stupid. Each of the disney princesses had great qualities that young girls should pick up too.
Idk, a lot of these princess seemed like they used those princes as a come up. Arial said she wants to ne on land. Found a dude to fund her land lifestyle without even saying a word 😭
The reason people say they are a counter to Disney is not the plots but the art. Miyazaki said he took inspiration from Disney when developing his art style. A lot of anime was originally imitations of the Disney art style that gradually changed over time. This is because when America won world war 2 Disney was the first cartoon colored animation Japan had been exposed to.
Disney princesses were either abused in their own homes or forced to be responsible at a young age or both. Majority of them fought back their abusers aswell. Stop being ignorant
you don't have to diss disney princesses. that's just shallow 😂 disney princesses falling in love, fight the villain with the prince, happily ever after. ghibli's girls tossed into a new world, adventure, then survived. i think they are not to be compared. since the main theme of disney princesses and ghibli movies are different.
As a little girls I never thought after watching Ariel or snow white "oh wow I'm a girl, and need a man when I'm in distress, and can't do anything without a man" lol all adults projecting that's what it is.
I particularly love how Miyazaki portrays the moments of tenderness and softness that female characters can have while also being strong and assertive. Nausicaa is my favorite example and how she is as much of a strong leader than she is empathetic, caring and soft with her people and even strangers. She courageous and adventurous but also motherly and calm when need be. All of Miyazaki’s characters, female and male, have this complex and more realistic personality to them and Disney should take many manyyyy notes!
What do you mean no sense of self-worth? Belle stayed to save her father and tried to culture Beast. Mulan went to war to save her farher who would have certainly perished and subsequently saved China. Snow White just went to live in peace after being nearly assassinated and took care of the dwarves in exchange for the shelter
Have you ever watched a Disney princesse film? Cause if you did, you know that empowered women come in different ways just because they found love doesn't mean their weak.
I have to say Disney is like classic fairytales and Ghibli is the creativity of a writer and creator. so I don't think any of them are bad, but rather they show the 2 sides of a coin in a way. and I need to say Disney princess films aren't bad in ANY way, I grew up loving them and a lot of people do as well. the only bad thing about Disney now is that they're changing these beautiful classics into messed up not even good Live actions. (mulan was good but not history accuate)
Personally to me Disney princess weren’t just damsels in distress they were elegant and strong women that fought through their struggles in different ways, I don’t agree or understand where this idea of “no self worth” came from. If you truly think Disney princesses have no self worth and are weak we didn’t watch the same Disney movies I guess😅
Im so damn tired of this Idea that women need to act manly in order to be seen as empowered or "someone people can see themselves on''. Both types of protagonists are good, not every woman wants to be in charge. They Just want love or want to be respected. Mulan isnt strong for taking a whole army now because she ended up with a man?! What?!
Disney princess are damsel in distres? 😅😂 Snow white - Her kindness are the one that save her. She is capable of making those around her to do anything to save her. Imagine if snow white personality is the opposite. The seven dwarf and the huntsman would not careless. Cinderella - Her strength to not lose hope is the one that get her to escape her predicament Imagine if she loses hope. She would stuck becoming the slave of her step family Ariel - Her stubbornness make her save the prince. Imagine if she is obedient, she would stuck becoming triton political pawn. Jasmine - She knows that Money, Fame and rank is not everything. Her bravery to go against her father, set the stone for her to be able to marry someone who she loves. Imagine if she is materialistic. She would ended up marying jafar and agrabah will be in ruin. Aurora - she is a damsel in distress. How can a lot of you miss this plotline from the animated movie? Remember, this is from the princess POV. But if we see from other POV Snow White The huntsman gamble with his life to save an innocent live. The 7 dwarf fight an evil witch, tp save someone they barely knew. The prince, travel a far to try to save a Cursed Woman. Cinderella The prince trying against all odds to find the one he love on almost impossible quest. Facing scrutiny from the noble and his parent, all for his selfishness to employ the royal force to seek the one who fit the shoes Little mermaid The prince try to find the one he love, but got tricked by the one who he think he is indebted to. Ended up getting dragged on the war of the mermaid Aladin He saved a girl not knowing who she is. Falling so deeply and madly in love that when he get 3 wish, he use it so that she can accept him. Sleeping beauty The prince Fight A DRAGON, to save a princess. They fight for it and prove they not only dream of being loved back instantly but show the Princess that they will do everything for them. The story show that Not only the prince save the princess, but the princess also save themselves. Its not that because the prince come to save them, they become a helpless damsel in distress waiting for the prince. They also work hard to get their happily ever after.
None of the princesses “needed a man” i dont know where everyone keeps getting this false belief from. Whats wrong with wanting love anyway? And the princesses had strong virtues that many people lack today. Strength isn’t only physical you know.
Not only that, but in most Disney classics, the prince is actually more of a plot device, and the story is far more focused on the positive traits of the girls/princesses. But of course, having positive feminine traits instead of a ninja-fighting girlboss is seen as a weakness by feminists.
What movies were you watching? I'd love to see you win a fight against Mulan! And Jasmine is one of the most strong-willed Disney characters period, and can you swing a cast iron pan like a waffle ball bat? No? But Rapunzel can! And every one of these princesses had their own drives, Jasmine wanted independence, Mulan fought for family, and Rapunzel to find her roots and who she truly was. This stupid “Disney princesses are weak” dribble is spouted out by the same tired writers every time they want to pretend to change and repackage a movie that has been out for years as some sort of charity and they are doing us a favor…not lining the pockets of a multimillion-dollar corporation
why you- i will twist you 360. disney princesses aren't damsels in distress! they are more than that! remember, Cinderella dreamed of wanting to go to the ball but happened to meet the prince but didn't know he was the prince. Ariel dreamed of being a human, but saved Eric eventually fell in love made her dream even stronger wanting to be in the human world. Belle, in exchange for her father's place in capture she saved his life, fell in love with the Beast saw his flaws and made him so much more who he was before. Ghibli movies, are presenting their own version in their own unique way, the same how Disney did with their princesses retelling stories that have been around for hundreds of years. All you have stated, is innaccurate and full of bull. go do a movie marathon of disney, come back here and apologize.
Wow this is an incredibly nasty take on it, especially considering we have seen what Disney does when they make the princesses girl bosses. That’s very anti-feminist to say a woman can’t just want true love, it doesn’t make her any less. You sound like Rachel Zegler
Thank you…I’m so tired of these pseudo feminists..like pls stop…there’s nothing wrong with wanting love or wanting to be saved…I’m a feminist myself but these woke ideologists give feminism a bad name…she’s clearly not watched how strong these princesses are in their own way…damsels in distress it seems! What a joke these wokies are🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
They show woman and men as being equal but not the same. These movies make us see that we are all just humans at the end of the day. None greater or lesser than😊
I do prefer Ghibli because they're the ones I grew up with and I relate more to the "Eastern" value & aesthetic, but damn, let's not put down those other classics. There's nothing wrong or weak with longing for romance. Leave em be.
Cinderella, Jasmine, Mulan,Ariel, Moana, Tiana, Belle, and Rapunzel: Are we a joke to you? Ps: If I’m forgetting somebody. Let me know. PSS: Cinderella is best princess
She's very clearly talking about classic princesses, so Moana doesn't count. Jasmine didn't have much of a character arc and Ariel's story was completely about wanting to be with Eric. Tiana is great but Belle and Rapunzel tiptoe the line.
@@kalamies.Girlie no?? Ariel has a whole ass music number about how much she wants to be on land before she falls for Eric. She already wanted to go there, Eric and the fight with her dad where he destroys her collection of human things were the last two drops she needed.
Look i love studio ghibi movies but thats a petty one note on disney princesses. Their story arcs involved plot points that included love interests and happily ever after. But they all had other things going on and werent 1 demonsional characters.
Why are grown adults looks at Disney princess likes this? Everyone grew up with Disney princesses and no little girl ever said “oh my gosh Cinderella is so weak
I mean you're specifically comparing them to older Disney films. What Disney film in the past 10 years has had a damsel in distress to be rescued by a man? Maybe there's one that I'm not thinking of, but I don't think so.
Rather, I want to portray a slightly different relationship, one where the two mutually inspire each other to live - if I'm able to, then perhaps I'll be closer to portraying a true expression of love.” -Hayao Miyazaki
I don’t see classic fairy tails as making girls “damsels in distress” but ok. You know they brush their hair in the Disney movies too, right? Idk, i like both. Im not trying to convince you to like disney, especially with their recent films. But the classic princesses were more than “damsels in distress”
you can't compare disney to ghibli. also you missed the whole disney princess point, bc just bc someone is dreaming of a men it doesnt mean that the girl is a damsel in distress
This made me realize: this is actually the first time i actually took notice that any ghibli characters were girls. Like I've always seen them as more their own inviduals with their own personalities instead of the gender they were. They're easy to relate to regardless of which gender you are. I think thats the main difference between ghibli and disney. Ghibli makes the characters realistic and relatable, and the characters are often working class. Disney makes them these idealistic, unreal, flawless models of what the world thinks women should be like, without any true personality of their own, and they always hold impossibly high positions of power and privilege at least by the end of the film. Disney idea of happiness is glory, wealth and power, brought by the help of outside force or birthright. Basically something that we all know to be unattainable for most. Ghibli's idea of happiness is finding your own path in life that makes you personally happy, even if it doesn't bring glory or immense wealth, and working hard for it yourself, and brings attention to the small joys in everyday life. And their interests aren't something dictated by their gender. They're complex, invidual and interesting. And ghibli shows how people can be flawed, and it's ok. The only disney film that has ever had even nearly the same level of personality was lilo and stitch.
Ghibli was never meant to be a response to the ezistwnce of Disney, and implying as much reduces the impact of Japanese cinema as a whole and the influence it has had on Hollywood as well as on the creativity and heartfelt intent of Miyazaki and his company. This is like comparing Disney to Osuma Tezuka or famed and beloved director Akira Kurosawa to Alfred Hitchcock. Theyv re all famous and talented in their own regard and have massivwly inpacted cinema and animation as a whole.
Only applies to that line from wreck it Ralph when the princesses say “do people assume your problems get solved bc a big strong man showed up?” ‘Yeah what’s up with that?’ “She is a princess” Like I get it, feminist line but also wow Aurora you really showed that dragon! .. oh wait you were asleep.
Disney Princess issue is more of a 30% thing. The strong female characs I can think of immediately are belle, tiara, Mulan, rupanzel, elsa, pocahontas even cinderella and her step sis anasthasia if u watched cinderella 2 and 3. Ariel's daughter movie brought many redemptions as now we see more to ariel and her girl's charac that aren't focused in romance. Point is, Disney tried to retcon the damsel in distress callout asap, either thru sequel movies, last 2d animated movies or in next gen cgi era The straight up damsel in distress one is aurora, even tho I always found her the prettiest 🥲. Snow white and jasmine is less of an offender bc snow white had the Prince coming randomly and in last 5 mins, 90% of her time is her finding family and home outside trad sense, while jasmine had wits and tomboy-ishness (even tho that felt forced to avoid direct damsel in distress troupe).
Cinderella is a story of surviving abuse. Aurora doesn't get much of a story just because Disney focused a lot more on the faires. Ariel just wants to see the human world and experience it, its Ursula that talks about her going for Prince Eric. Could they have done more in the stories? Absolutely. Can we argue that these characters should have gotten more than just a love story line? Of course! But really, the princesses do have character to them. A lot of them do. Hopefully we can get /more/ of it.
Yea, which is why when Disney now panders to with broken woke ideology it’s beyond forced. Any anime fan can obviously realize how grossly political & manipulative it is at heart rather than original or honest.
A little sad you didn't acknowledge the difference in the years these movies were released, the og Disney princess movies are from the 30s and 40s, but movies like Kiki and spirited away are 90s/2000s. By that time Disney had also moved into movies with better written female leads like Mulan. Seems a bit unfair to compare the writing of movies 60 years apart when the culture had changed so much in that time. Either way I prefer Ghibli movies, just seemed like a biased perspective.
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Most of what you said was speculation and inaccurate.
Disney films are just replicas for the classic fairy tales but I can't deny that they started a beautiful era of fantasy. As for ghibli, they are films made from heart of the creator with depth in each of the characters plus wonderful animation to feast on. I say both are great but ghibli moves refine the beauty of storytelling and imagination!
Oh, my dude, no classic fairy tales are gore and disturbing af
@@anq4274ehem brothers grim
Many of the Ghibli films are actually based off of books as well! Howl's moving Castle, for example!
@@flamevix ngl tho brothers grim wasn't the original story's either, cool to know that howls moving castle was inspired by a Welsh book
@@flamevixand arrietty
Disney princesses are more then "just needing a man" and having no "self worth". They empower themselves in their own ways and find love along the way too. Ex. Cinderella whole thing is about being kind even through the hardest of times. She just got lucky and found a prince who wants her but she never went out of her way for it.
I think the films like Snow White and Sleeping Beauty really set the "damsel in distress" and needing a man. Its a shame since we have other Disney films like Mulan and Beauty and the Beast that shows otherwise and gives them power and agency they deserve
Ariel and eric save each multiple times and the whole point he kills Ursula is to prove to her Dad that not all humans are bad and that he loves Ariel plus they both adventurous personality plus, she interest in the surface frist even before she met eric
Facts
I don't care for Disney princesses but I never seen the that way. They all have distinct personalities and they all definitely had self worth. And no one thinks about the princes
@@lilli7040 i think thats bc those films where made in the very beginning and around that time girls in general(not only disney princesses) where portrayed as damsels in distress and just something for men to use
I.... kinda disagree with the no sense of self worth for Disney princeses haha! For example, Jasmine's whole character was being a girl trapped in her status, and but knew her worth, highlighted by her exclamation against her father, Jafar, and Prince Ali,
"I am not a prize to be won"
@@Moa_avipsa oh! I'll rewatch it, but Ik she didn't mention Jasmine specifically or any of em, I used her as an example ^0^ But she does have an amazing story of how ghibli inspired her 💙
Cinderella just wanted to go to a ball the prince just happened to have a crush on her
@@thatonegirl587 and without knowing the man she married him why because he was rich? Lol
Especially the song she sings in the live action "I won't be silenced! won't tremble when you try it, all I knows' that I won't be speechless speechless!"
@@kyara1835 Tell me if you're in abusive situation and you're given the chance to get out of it, and you're not going to accept it and be like, "But I don't know who's providing me the chance!". I understand you're point, because for many years I thought that too. And I still think that. But I think before we make any judgements on her and her decisions, we should also analyse what situation she was in since her childhood and what motivated her to make that decision. We all very easily say that Cinderella was so stupid to marry a man she didn't fully know, but if we were in her shoes we would have made the exact same choice. I know I would.
Honestly it makes me sad to see how badly Disney princesses are looked at. Growing up they literally encouraged me to do so much. When are people gonna see that just because you love doesn't mean that's the only thing you're about.
Because they don't represent everyone. You may want to be saved by a man or be seen as a delicate flower but not everyone is like you.
@@Imakebigotsseethe Who said that? Who said I wanted to be viewed in that way? The Disney Princesses are not like that at all. Just because you want true love or are saved by someone does not make you weak. Plenty of the Disney Princesses are strong. Jasmine, Tiana, and Merida are good examples. You guys simply take a false cry that someone made and run with it. The princesses are anything but weak. Mulan literally takes down a whole army and she is considered a Disney princess. I don't know who started the Disney Princess hate but honestly it's just because of people's stupidity and want for attention that they cry over something that isn't even happening.
@@FroppyFroggyThe only Disney movies that have actual strong characters are Ariel and the princess and the frog. And maybe Frozen.
@@raeraemovedlol There's a lot more. Jasmine is such a strong princess. Merida is a strong princess. Mulan is a strong princess. Vanellope is a strong princess. Rapunzel is a strong princess. Disney Princesses are not weak, you CHOOSE to view them as such.
@@raeraemovedlol snow white is also a strong character as she showed kindness to everyone despite how they treat her. She didnt despair when her step mom made her a maid and hopes to have a better future. Same goes to cinderella, she became independent overnight and learned how to do chores herself despite being a noble and a child. If anything, they are survivors of domestic abuse and are strong in preserving themselves.
Belle give herself to the beast in order to save her dad, she's strong for her courage and her act of sacrifice, not knowing if she will be killed or be tortured for a monster's entertainment.
Sleeping beauty is debatable, but in all honesty shes just an average girl who unfortunately got cursed to sleep eternally and unfortunately the only solution the fairy give her is a damn kiss... But other then that, she turns out pretty fine dispite no communication with people in her age and having 3 moms that nag and argue every single thing
Gurl!Disney princesses aren't dumb and weak.They represented femeninity and kindness (so kind that even the animals loved them). In the midst of the sad changes that happened to them they were still optimistic and hopeful.They represented a different spectrum of strength compared to ghibli leads
Thank you! It feels sometimes like people have read so many Buzzfeed articles on how Disney princesses are “helpless” and “damsels” etc. that we forget the characters we actually watched as children, and think of them only as this new pop culture understanding of them. Cinderella’s sheer amount of snark and sarcasm is deeply surprising upon rewatch after being exposed to how much people dismiss her for so long.
Agreed kindness is strength
Theyre dumb.
Most Disney princesses have a sense of self outside of needing a man. For starters Snow White who gets the most shit for needing a man only even talks about the prince 3 times and he’s barely relevant, she’s hardworking, compassionate caring, we see her when she’s vulnerable and scared in the woods and then when she realises she was scaring the animals she overcomes her fears with compassion and empathy. She’s an incredibly kind person and people say she’s not independent but she kind of is? She takes responsibility for cleaning the house in exchange for a room and food because she’s like “their living environment sucks and they need some self help.”, and she develops a friendship with them. But she has flaws in being too naive and trusting to a fault. She’s not some damsel in distress. Then Cinderella also gets a lot of shit for being a damsel, and it’s like this young woman is an abuse victim, hello?! You can’t just expect her to go off on her own in a world that would likely be very hard for her to get room and shelter. Another thing about her is that she’s hardworking and compassionate, she does her job and tries to be optimistic despite her abuse. She wants one night out to go to the ball, (she didn’t even want to meet the prince and when she meets him she’s like “oh wait- I haven’t met the prince lol.”. She also takes agency in trying to break out of her room after being locked up. And she deserves better than being relegated to a gold digger. Aurora, ehh She’s not much of a character because the story isn’t actually focused on her but rather Prince Phillip, but she does have characterisation through her relationships with the animals and the fairies. Ariel has a heck ton of personality and characterisation, she’s very curious, passionate and caring, she has a very big desire to be human and to explore their world and culture. We see her brushing her hair, humming as she happily swims, we see her heart and vulnerable after her dad destroys her all her stuff. She’s got a lot of character and she doesn’t give up her voice for a man, she trades her voice for legs so she can go to the human world, granted it’s in a manipulative deal and partially motivated by her crush + being emotionally hurt by her father. Belle is a very curious woman, she loves reading, she sticks up for herself, she doesn’t take shit from Gaston or the Beast. She is a dreamer though and she wants to find someone who understands her. She doesn’t experience Stockholm syndrome, she’s not much of a prisoner and it’s more of a promise to stay, which she breaks when she’s done putting up with his shit. She only chooses to stay because he needs help after being attacked by wolves after hurting her, then she starts to see his humanity and he has a character arc and she starts liking him. Jasmine, lots of agency and personality, she wants more out of life and wants to be able to make her own choices, so she runs away, meets a cute guy who gets arrested and she thinks he’s dead. She actually tells Aladdin to piss off when he’s being a douche. She’s intelligent and resourceful, we see her upset and in her room, she stands up for herself. She manages to trick Aladdin into confirming that he’s Aladdin. Pocahauntus I’m not going to touch with a ten foot pole because she was a real person and she deserves better than to be represented in that shitty story made up by the gross creepy John Smith. Mulan, do I need say more? She’s great. Tiana, another hardworking woman, just wish she wasn’t a frog for over half the movie, she deserved better. Rapunzel, naive but Kind, headstrong, she’s great. Merida, another headstrong princess, ect.
I think a lot of perceptions about the princesses as weak and pathetic, are based off misogynistic standards that women cannot be strong unless they have masculine traits like physical strength, a lot of the time it is the princess’ determination, perseverance and resilience that saves her, while the prince just finishes the job acting as a plot device. And to say that a woman needing help is bad, is also just wrong, because it’s alright to ask for help regardless of gender. Saying that these women are shallow weak caricatures is simply false, because they have personality, they have motivation and desires, their lives don’t just circle around a man, but they do get their romance because there’s nothing wrong with wanting romance. And a lot of people lack the comprehension skills to look at the characters on a deeper level and propagate the messages that are spread by people who don’t have an accurate understanding of the story such as that “I don’t let my kids watch the little mermaid because She gave up her voice for a man” statement. That’s simply not true and if they’d actually watch the films, people would see that the princesses have much more depth than people give them credit for, and that the general concedes surrounding the films are simply just wrong.
I am so happy somebody wrote this! The message that asking for help when needed or seeking romantic relationships is weak is toxic for any child, and calling feminine traits "weak" is the opposite of "girl empowerment".
This mf looked at Mulan and Ariel and said “no sense of self-worth” girl.. did u watch the movies?? 😂😂
She didn't. She is just blabbering whatever threads she saw on twitter about Disney films.
Ariel literally changed her body for a guy... Yes she was interested in being human before Eric, but she ultimately changed and tried to fit in because of him. I watched Disney movies thousands of times when I was a kid and none of them felt 1/8 as empowering as one viewing of Nausicaa or Spirited Away or Mononoke.
@@margomagoo2836 she wanted to be human LONG before Eric. But Ursula didn’t know until AFTER she fell for him.
Well Mulan base of a real story and Ariel idk I feel like she is a damsel
No she didn’t
Tell me you've never watched a Disney princess movie without telling me you've never watched a Disney princess movie
Lol! This is spot on! And is the biggest reason I don't care for Disney to this day!
"Damsels in distress, having no sense of self-worth outside of needing a man."
... Did we watch the same movies? Damsels in distress is common, but a lot of the Disney Princesses didn't really have much of a lack of self worth. A couple of examples are Ariel, who didn't originally want a man, but instead wanted to go to the surface to explore as she was fascinated by it. Jasmine never demonstrated needing a man, seeing as any man that went to ask for her hand in marriage was chased off by her. She, instead, wanted to escape the pressures of palace life, and gradually fell in love with Aladdin who she got to know. Mulan went to war to protect her father, and fell in love with the general.
Just because a young woman falls in love, or doesn't display things such as physical strength in battle along the way does not immediately make her weak with a lack of self-worth. Please remember this.
Please stop saying all the disney princesses are just damsels in distress. They have character. They have wants, desires, goals and accomplishments. Yes studio Ghibli movies are amazing but stop perpetuating the lies that old Disney movies are just about a woman being saved. The Disney princesses are so much more than that.
Female disney characters weren't just damsels in distress. Do you remember Mulan? (The real one, not the new wannabe Jedi-Mulan) She had no special powers just dedication and rescued everyone while no one had faith in her.
Now Disney ist just a woke mess.
One of my favorite moments in the original Mulan is when she retrives the arrow. It wouldnt make sence for her to be phisicaly stronger then the male soldiers and that wasnt the case. She managed to do it becose of her intelligance which is already established at the begining of the movie.
Snow White was literally a mother to 7 misbehaving children and taught them to be better people. But I guess that's a failure in the eyes of a crazy feminist.
Mulan is not technically a princess though so i don't know how much that counts
I mean to be honest the story of Mulan isn’t even originally from Disney but based off a Chinese folklore of 2000 years.
You're definitely not the target audience for things like Ghibli.
(which teaches good lessons and woman empowerment, something people like you hate for some reason)
Keep watching your damsel trash.
Being feminine does not equate to being weak. Disney princesses might not be physically strong, but theres a strength in their femininity.
That's not the point. Women in Ghibli films are usually feminine too, the difference being pointed out that their narratives aren't just about getting in a relantoship
@@kalamies. Yes but being in a relationship doesnt make you any less independent or strong. Maybe princesses like Snow White and Sleeping Beauty are damsels in distresses, but all the other princesses have tons of other personalities and strengths that we overlook because everyones so focused on being woke. Seeking love doesnt make you weak or "feminine" or uncool, and it shouldnt take away what makes you either.
I’m sorry but am I the only one that is super tired of people calling the classical Disney princess movies an example of “damsel in distress” or “no self worth?” like the majority of the classical Disney princess movies they’re very empowering in their way and weren’t really what’s the modern world tells that they are.
Snow White escapes death three times throughout the movie which is very impressive, the first thing that she saw when she escapes was a house and went in the house, no one that a damsel in distress would escape death three times by herself and know what to do when she’s was about to get killed Snow White saw the opportunity and went into the house for her safety.
Cinderella had only one main goal throughout the Movie, She wanted to go to the ball. She did not have the Prince in her mind when she wanted to go to the ball, the prince ended up dancing with her because he found her beautiful not only that she also left the prince During the ball night And also escape her stepmother attempting to hide her from the prince when he was trying to find her
Similar things with Ariel she wanted To be a human/go up to the surface Due to her father's strict rules she was forbidden to go but she did it anyway just to see what it was like when she Was up to the surface The ship Was about to sink and not only that when the prince was drowning Ariel save his Life without even knowing him pretty Much empowerment right there
And what about Belle not only she was not scared by the beast she also took care of him throughout the movie
These Disney princess movies are the definition of empowerment but also falling in love at the same time a lot of people in the modern world don’t understand that falling in love can also be empowering I just don’t like how the modern world sees some female character falling in love and immediately think that she’s a damsel and distress and use the “she doesn’t need a man in her life She’s can be independent” on her just because they don’t like how she’s written
I feel like that female characters can be empowering and falling in love at the same time it’s natural to fall in love with somebody and the Disney princesses art example of them being empowering but also falling in love at the same time
No, you're not. I hate that, and my wife spits fire whenever she hears that drivel.
This is next levels of media illiteracy, jesus christ we truly haven’t seen the same films have we
I get what you mean, but disney princesses are more than that. They empowered themselves in a more "traditionally feminine" way. I love more proactive female characters who do all the fighting. But I also love that we can also have female characters like traditional Disney princesses. Its called diversity and variety for a reason. We can have both, yall!
Ma’am Ariel fought a 10 storey sea witch octopus with magical powers
Lol
I.... what? No sense of self-worth? Being a princess rescued by a prince means you are intrinsically worthy of saving! Princesses don't even have to do anything and they are the most valued people in the story!
There’s a difference between having self-worth and being valued as a story prop. Not that I personally think disney princess movies are like that, but a character can be useless and undefined while other characters rescue or protect them.
yes exactly ahd that is not self worth at all, their entire element revolves around them being precious vulnerable creatures that need to be saved by a men, well mostly , there r great examples of gud Disney princess writing, my personal faves r tiana, pocahontas, jasmine,belle
@@Moa_avipsa It's literally men's job to protect women. That's a huge part of our purpose on earth. Why do you think being protected and rescued by a man is a bad thing?
@@NowaboMusic It's not that being protected and rescued is in and of itself a bad thing. It's that it's not something a woman can aspire to do, but something that is done to her by someone else. Everyone wants to accomplish something meaningful with their own two hands. Goal-setting and feelings of success are the keys to self-worth and self-confidence for everyone, regardless of gender.
In stories like this, characters like Aurora or Cinderella are presented to the audience as inherently kind, inherently beautiful, and inherently graceful. These traits make them worthy of being loved and rescued by their respective princes. It could be said that, as role models, they can teach little girls to aspire for those traits, but the characters themselves are never shown working to better themselves. Even though kindness, beauty, and grace are all skills that can be trained and honed, these stories tell the audience that Aurora and Cinderella are naturally and inherently this way from birth, while counterpart villains are naturally and inherently evil. There is no road demonstrated for how to better oneself and become like the heroines. So, according to the example set in these stories, if my worth is determined from what I am inherently from birth, and if my life has the same amount of meaning regardless of whether I'm awake or asleep like Snow White or Sleeping Beauty, what reason do I have to get up in the morning? If my value is only intrinsic to my appearance, what am I supposed to do with my time that feels worthwhile?
@@kazmori6981 Okay, this is a great analysis and rebuttal. I suppose the reason stories like these have the princess playing the passive role is because this story is only a tiny story within life. It's essentially the courting stage or a relationship. A story where both men and women have agency and heroic roles happens AFTER marriage.
Disney princess inspire me. They show perseverance and bravery in their own ways. You can’t gate-keep feminism.
And none of the films emasculated the men in order to show the strong female leads, they did it naturally and - in the cases of there being two leads of the opposite gender - showed the strengths of both characters.
Miyazaki also wrote very strong female villains, who were cold and calculating without being typecast. Miyazaki supports women's wrongs as well as women's rights.
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Disney princess movies are more gear toward romance than action and adventure so they do romance over everything.
Ghibli films aren't just focus on romance
So comparing the two is kinda hard. When the two have differb focus of story telling
*Tiana, Mulan and Belle looking frome the corner like* 👁️ 👄 👁️...
I liked how Howl's moving castle starts like a Disney film, with Sophi getting cursed and looking for a hero, but we then find out that Sophi can fix her own curse and Howl has a curse that's even worse than her's.
Disney is following a formula. Obviously, they can't change it too much, or it wouldn't be recognized as Cinderella or Little Mermaid. You can't compare an original story with an established story that has been around for hundreds of years. He did do a retelling of Howls Moving Castle, but let's face it, Disney would have gotten their hands on it eventually. Disney has done strong women before you just happened to choose the classics. We had Esmerlda, Meg, Jane, Wendy, and Nala. Apples and Oranges
Meanwhile Disney just makes Mary sues in current year while lambasting the classics we grew up with. Thank you Disney.
Cant we just agree that both studios made some of the most influencial movies that truly will stand the test of time
Theres no point in comparing studios that make great but very different works
Ghibli really be making their children actual children and their women human. Take notes people
Damsels in distress?
Jasmine would rather be a slave than forced to marry Jafar
Cinderella remained kind, positive and did the best of the situation she was in, she could not escape it was literslly 3 against 1
Snow white was a literal child when she ran away, her only fsult being that she was naive enough to accept a gift from a stranger.
And Belle was the one who saved the Beast giving him back his will to fight Gaston and until the point where he started being nice to her she defied him any chance she got
Ghibli films are not some kinda feminism pushing whatever movies. They’re masterpieces in the story they tell not that the main character is often a woman
Why can't it just be ok to have both. Some of us women want to watch the the princesses falling in love and being rescued by a handsome prince, and it's okay.
Disney princesses do have self worth, the man was just a bonus. There's no need to bring up disney, put it down to praise Hayao Miyazaki's works. I love both of them, and I think in being feminine and being strong are shown differently(but at the same time kinda the same). For example, in Hayao Miyazaki films, girls are strong and independent, however this doesn't mean that disney princesses aren't strong. Being able to remain kind when you're faced with various trauma inducing situations in and of itself is strong. Being a damsel of distress and being saved by a prince doesn't make you any less strong. I love both Disney and Ghibli films and the messages they send us.
I disagree. Disney princesses aren't lacking a sense of self worth, especially ones like Jasmine. Do a lot of them have a lack of agency? Sure, but so much of the story is how they overcame that. To me, the difference between Ghibli and Disney is what they portray, not who they portray. Disney movies are about grand adventures, and escaping the ordinary. But Ghibli romanticizes that ordinary. It communicates the value of flawed and sometimes unappealing life because it is real. Disney is full escapism while Ghibli is consolidating and loving reality. That's what I think anyway.
U badly misread Disney character
Love Ghibli, but with that out of the way, what a poor understanding of the Disney Princesses 💀
Pretty much just make the main character a character regardless of gender
Disney Princess movies aren’t about needing a man for example in The Little Mermaid Ariel wanted legs from the very beginning because she is adventurous and wanted to see the human world Eric just came along as a bonus once she met him, in Cinderella all she wanted was a to take a break from her stepmother and stepsisters to go have fun at the ball she wasn’t even thinking about Charming he just happened to come along with it when she met him if all you can see in the princesses is them just being a “ damsel in distress” or “ needing a man to come save them” then I think that says more about you for focusing all the attention on men when the movie is about the princess and anyway when did it become a crime to fall in love you can love a man and still be strong it’s people with thoughts like this that are messing up all of Disney’s remakes you can add more to a character without completely removing who they truly are
TLDR: Rewatch the Disney movies because this take was a complete miss
In disney there are movies were woman are confident like moana,Raya and the last dragon and a couple more
Yep, also Jasmine, Mulan, Merida, Tiana, Esmerlda, Meg, Nala. I also think Cinderella and Snow White are actually very strong while also being feminine and kindhearted. I really like them, they show you don't have to act like a man to be a strong person. You can be feminine and very strong at the same time.
How dare you call Jasmine a damsel in distress with no self worth. She said in her film "How dare you. All of you. Standing around deciding my future. I am not a prize to be won."
I disagree with you that Disney princesses have no self-worth. It's a shame that many people nowadays see Disney princesses only as damsels in distress and not as a character who are kind, and caring and didn't change their principles even though they faced cruelty from the world. They have power but not like the girl boss, many people believe it to be true empowerment. Cinderella is my favorite Disney princess, She faced so much cruelty from her stepmother and stepsister, the death of her father and the constant mental and verbal abuse from them would make any person lose their faith in kindness and dwindle their principal. But she had so much faith in her kindness and herself that she never changed anything about her. And the fact that people say Cinderella waited for the prince is false. She never went to the ball because of the prince, she went there just for the ball. It's just that the prince was so impressed by her kindness and beauty that he fell in love with her. And after knowing her true self he still loved her as she is.
Disney princess in need of help!?
Girl nah-
Ex: Cinderella: stay kind and work hard. Always think positive. Just want to go out for one day, got lucky to find guy.
Mulan: wento battle not because she wabted to, she did it for her father. Saves china
Arial: want to see a whole new workd and explore.
Pocahontas: the nature girl who is smart with her words and love to have fun. Love animals and nature. Does her best for the people.
They are not week. You cna have love in your life, you can sometime need help in your life. You are not weak to get help or have love in your life. Its also oaky to accept your soft and female side as well
The problem here is everyone seems to thinks these things are at odds with one another. Yes, they are different and even appear opposite, but in truth they are both pieces of the same puzzle.
Disney princesses are about damsels in distress with no self worth? Oh that’s fucking rich :
-Mulan took the initiative to be a soldier to save her father
-Merida didn’t want to just be a prissy princess and forced to marry a neighbouring Rules’ son
-Moana just wanted to return the heart to save her family and community
-Tiana worked with her own hands to get her dream restaurant for her daddy
-Elsa didn’t want to be saved
I need to watch more Ghibli!
I love how when showing the Disney princesses she conveniently left out Milan
Why are disney princesses looked down on now? I get that the main argument is "not everyone wants to be a princess", which is fine. But being a damsel in distress wasn't their only character traits. Mulan saved China, Tiana was a successful entrepreneur and even Ariel had curiosity, even if there was a man involved. While I do prefer Ghibli over Disney, people need to stop painting femininity as being weak or stupid. Each of the disney princesses had great qualities that young girls should pick up too.
Disney movie touches the heart but Ghibli movie touches the soul.
Idk, a lot of these princess seemed like they used those princes as a come up. Arial said she wants to ne on land. Found a dude to fund her land lifestyle without even saying a word 😭
Very controversial opinion here but many people most forget that disney walked so Ghibli could run.
The reason people say they are a counter to Disney is not the plots but the art. Miyazaki said he took inspiration from Disney when developing his art style. A lot of anime was originally imitations of the Disney art style that gradually changed over time. This is because when America won world war 2 Disney was the first cartoon colored animation Japan had been exposed to.
Disney princesses were either abused in their own homes or forced to be responsible at a young age or both. Majority of them fought back their abusers aswell. Stop being ignorant
you don't have to diss disney princesses. that's just shallow 😂
disney princesses falling in love, fight the villain with the prince, happily ever after.
ghibli's girls tossed into a new world, adventure, then survived.
i think they are not to be compared. since the main theme of disney princesses and ghibli movies are different.
I love that you pointed this out, thank you :)
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Princess Mononoke has to be one of my all time favourite films
As a little girls I never thought after watching Ariel or snow white "oh wow I'm a girl, and need a man when I'm in distress, and can't do anything without a man" lol all adults projecting that's what it is.
I particularly love how Miyazaki portrays the moments of tenderness and softness that female characters can have while also being strong and assertive. Nausicaa is my favorite example and how she is as much of a strong leader than she is empathetic, caring and soft with her people and even strangers. She courageous and adventurous but also motherly and calm when need be. All of Miyazaki’s characters, female and male, have this complex and more realistic personality to them and Disney should take many manyyyy notes!
What do you mean no sense of self-worth?
Belle stayed to save her father and tried to culture Beast.
Mulan went to war to save her farher who would have certainly perished and subsequently saved China.
Snow White just went to live in peace after being nearly assassinated and took care of the dwarves in exchange for the shelter
Have you ever watched a Disney princesse film? Cause if you did, you know that empowered women come in different ways just because they found love doesn't mean their weak.
I think it's also good for young guys to see that perspective too I did growing up
I have to say Disney is like classic fairytales and Ghibli is the creativity of a writer and creator. so I don't think any of them are bad, but rather they show the 2 sides of a coin in a way. and I need to say Disney princess films aren't bad in ANY way, I grew up loving them and a lot of people do as well. the only bad thing about Disney now is that they're changing these beautiful classics into messed up not even good Live actions. (mulan was good but not history accuate)
Personally to me Disney princess weren’t just damsels in distress they were elegant and strong women that fought through their struggles in different ways, I don’t agree or understand where this idea of “no self worth” came from. If you truly think Disney princesses have no self worth and are weak we didn’t watch the same Disney movies I guess😅
Im so damn tired of this Idea that women need to act manly in order to be seen as empowered or "someone people can see themselves on''. Both types of protagonists are good, not every woman wants to be in charge. They Just want love or want to be respected. Mulan isnt strong for taking a whole army now because she ended up with a man?! What?!
Disney princess are damsel in distres? 😅😂
Snow white
- Her kindness are the one that save her. She is capable of making those around her to do anything to save her.
Imagine if snow white personality is the opposite. The seven dwarf and the huntsman would not careless.
Cinderella
- Her strength to not lose hope is the one that get her to escape her predicament
Imagine if she loses hope. She would stuck becoming the slave of her step family
Ariel
- Her stubbornness make her save the prince.
Imagine if she is obedient, she would stuck becoming triton political pawn.
Jasmine
- She knows that Money, Fame and rank is not everything. Her bravery to go against her father, set the stone for her to be able to marry someone who she loves.
Imagine if she is materialistic. She would ended up marying jafar and agrabah will be in ruin.
Aurora
- she is a damsel in distress.
How can a lot of you miss this plotline from the animated movie?
Remember, this is from the princess POV.
But if we see from other POV
Snow White
The huntsman gamble with his life to save an innocent live.
The 7 dwarf fight an evil witch, tp save someone they barely knew.
The prince, travel a far to try to save a Cursed Woman.
Cinderella
The prince trying against all odds to find the one he love on almost impossible quest.
Facing scrutiny from the noble and his parent, all for his selfishness to employ the royal force to seek the one who fit the shoes
Little mermaid
The prince try to find the one he love, but got tricked by the one who he think he is indebted to. Ended up getting dragged on the war of the mermaid
Aladin
He saved a girl not knowing who she is. Falling so deeply and madly in love that when he get 3 wish, he use it so that she can accept him.
Sleeping beauty
The prince Fight A DRAGON, to save a princess.
They fight for it and prove they not only dream of being loved back instantly but show the Princess that they will do everything for them.
The story show that Not only the prince save the princess, but the princess also save themselves.
Its not that because the prince come to save them, they become a helpless damsel in distress waiting for the prince. They also work hard to get their happily ever after.
None of the princesses “needed a man” i dont know where everyone keeps getting this false belief from. Whats wrong with wanting love anyway? And the princesses had strong virtues that many people lack today. Strength isn’t only physical you know.
You do know the stories Disney told are old stories he adapted? They didn’t write the story, they just told the story.
Why do people think being a damsel equals having no self worth!? It’s ok to be a damsel!
Not only that, but in most Disney classics, the prince is actually more of a plot device, and the story is far more focused on the positive traits of the girls/princesses. But of course, having positive feminine traits instead of a ninja-fighting girlboss is seen as a weakness by feminists.
What movies were you watching? I'd love to see you win a fight against Mulan! And Jasmine is one of the most strong-willed Disney characters period, and can you swing a cast iron pan like a waffle ball bat? No? But Rapunzel can! And every one of these princesses had their own drives, Jasmine wanted independence, Mulan fought for family, and Rapunzel to find her roots and who she truly was. This stupid “Disney princesses are weak” dribble is spouted out by the same tired writers every time they want to pretend to change and repackage a movie that has been out for years as some sort of charity and they are doing us a favor…not lining the pockets of a multimillion-dollar corporation
I am actually jealous of you I wish my life was so easy that one of my legitimate concerns is how im represented in cartoons.
Don’t y’all remember Mulan ?
:amphibia & the owl house
:The ghost and molly McGee
:Moon girl and Devil dinosaur
:Kiff
:Hailey's on it
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DID YALL NOT ACTUALLY WATCH THE DISNEY FILMS???? THE PRINCESSES WERE CONFIDENT THEY DIDNT NEED A MAN! THEY FELL IN LOVE DESPITE THAT
Thanks!
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why you- i will twist you 360. disney princesses aren't damsels in distress! they are more than that!
remember, Cinderella dreamed of wanting to go to the ball but happened to meet the prince but didn't know he was the prince.
Ariel dreamed of being a human, but saved Eric eventually fell in love made her dream even stronger wanting to be in the human world.
Belle, in exchange for her father's place in capture she saved his life, fell in love with the Beast saw his flaws and made him so much more who he was before.
Ghibli movies, are presenting their own version in their own unique way, the same how Disney did with their princesses retelling stories that have been around for hundreds of years.
All you have stated, is innaccurate and full of bull. go do a movie marathon of disney, come back here and apologize.
I love ghibli
Because it’s a Miyazaki made great characters but still added a love aspect into it’s beautiful ☺️
Here we go again.." if a female protagonist isn't kicking ass in a tight latex suit and is feminine and kind..she has no self worth. Muh girlbozz"🤓
Wow this is an incredibly nasty take on it, especially considering we have seen what Disney does when they make the princesses girl bosses. That’s very anti-feminist to say a woman can’t just want true love, it doesn’t make her any less. You sound like Rachel Zegler
Thank you…I’m so tired of these pseudo feminists..like pls stop…there’s nothing wrong with wanting love or wanting to be saved…I’m a feminist myself but these woke ideologists give feminism a bad name…she’s clearly not watched how strong these princesses are in their own way…damsels in distress it seems! What a joke these wokies are🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
They show woman and men as being equal but not the same. These movies make us see that we are all just humans at the end of the day. None greater or lesser than😊
I do prefer Ghibli because they're the ones I grew up with and I relate more to the "Eastern" value & aesthetic, but damn, let's not put down those other classics. There's nothing wrong or weak with longing for romance. Leave em be.
Cinderella, Jasmine, Mulan,Ariel, Moana, Tiana, Belle, and Rapunzel: Are we a joke to you?
Ps: If I’m forgetting somebody. Let me know.
PSS: Cinderella is best princess
She's very clearly talking about classic princesses, so Moana doesn't count. Jasmine didn't have much of a character arc and Ariel's story was completely about wanting to be with Eric. Tiana is great but Belle and Rapunzel tiptoe the line.
@@kalamies.Girlie no?? Ariel has a whole ass music number about how much she wants to be on land before she falls for Eric. She already wanted to go there, Eric and the fight with her dad where he destroys her collection of human things were the last two drops she needed.
Merida
Look i love studio ghibi movies but thats a petty one note on disney princesses. Their story arcs involved plot points that included love interests and happily ever after. But they all had other things going on and werent 1 demonsional characters.
Why are grown adults looks at Disney princess likes this? Everyone grew up with Disney princesses and no little girl ever said “oh my gosh Cinderella is so weak
I mean you're specifically comparing them to older Disney films. What Disney film in the past 10 years has had a damsel in distress to be rescued by a man? Maybe there's one that I'm not thinking of, but I don't think so.
Rather, I want to portray a slightly different relationship, one where the two mutually inspire each other to live - if I'm able to, then perhaps I'll be closer to portraying a true expression of love.”
-Hayao Miyazaki
I don’t see classic fairy tails as making girls “damsels in distress” but ok. You know they brush their hair in the Disney movies too, right?
Idk, i like both. Im not trying to convince you to like disney, especially with their recent films. But the classic princesses were more than “damsels in distress”
you can't compare disney to ghibli. also you missed the whole disney princess point, bc just bc someone is dreaming of a men it doesnt mean that the girl is a damsel in distress
This made me realize: this is actually the first time i actually took notice that any ghibli characters were girls. Like I've always seen them as more their own inviduals with their own personalities instead of the gender they were. They're easy to relate to regardless of which gender you are. I think thats the main difference between ghibli and disney. Ghibli makes the characters realistic and relatable, and the characters are often working class. Disney makes them these idealistic, unreal, flawless models of what the world thinks women should be like, without any true personality of their own, and they always hold impossibly high positions of power and privilege at least by the end of the film. Disney idea of happiness is glory, wealth and power, brought by the help of outside force or birthright. Basically something that we all know to be unattainable for most. Ghibli's idea of happiness is finding your own path in life that makes you personally happy, even if it doesn't bring glory or immense wealth, and working hard for it yourself, and brings attention to the small joys in everyday life. And their interests aren't something dictated by their gender. They're complex, invidual and interesting. And ghibli shows how people can be flawed, and it's ok.
The only disney film that has ever had even nearly the same level of personality was lilo and stitch.
Ghibli was never meant to be a response to the ezistwnce of Disney, and implying as much reduces the impact of Japanese cinema as a whole and the influence it has had on Hollywood as well as on the creativity and heartfelt intent of Miyazaki and his company.
This is like comparing Disney to Osuma Tezuka or famed and beloved director Akira Kurosawa to Alfred Hitchcock.
Theyv re all famous and talented in their own regard and have massivwly inpacted cinema and animation as a whole.
In the grand scheme of life; does it really matter 😂
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To add up, I felt like Tiana and Merida feels like they are from Ghibli
Only applies to that line from wreck it Ralph when the princesses say “do people assume your problems get solved bc a big strong man showed up?”
‘Yeah what’s up with that?’
“She is a princess”
Like I get it, feminist line but also wow Aurora you really showed that dragon!
.. oh wait you were asleep.
Disney Princess issue is more of a 30% thing. The strong female characs I can think of immediately are belle, tiara, Mulan, rupanzel, elsa, pocahontas even cinderella and her step sis anasthasia if u watched cinderella 2 and 3. Ariel's daughter movie brought many redemptions as now we see more to ariel and her girl's charac that aren't focused in romance. Point is, Disney tried to retcon the damsel in distress callout asap, either thru sequel movies, last 2d animated movies or in next gen cgi era
The straight up damsel in distress one is aurora, even tho I always found her the prettiest 🥲. Snow white and jasmine is less of an offender bc snow white had the Prince coming randomly and in last 5 mins, 90% of her time is her finding family and home outside trad sense, while jasmine had wits and tomboy-ishness (even tho that felt forced to avoid direct damsel in distress troupe).
People who say Disney Princesses are damsels in distress should not be analyzing ANYTHING
you sound like you enjoy the latest Disney remakes
We need justice for our disney princess
Cinderella is a story of surviving abuse. Aurora doesn't get much of a story just because Disney focused a lot more on the faires. Ariel just wants to see the human world and experience it, its Ursula that talks about her going for Prince Eric.
Could they have done more in the stories? Absolutely. Can we argue that these characters should have gotten more than just a love story line? Of course! But really, the princesses do have character to them. A lot of them do. Hopefully we can get /more/ of it.
Yea, which is why when Disney now panders to with broken woke ideology it’s beyond forced. Any anime fan can obviously realize how grossly political & manipulative it is at heart rather than original or honest.
"no sense of self worth"
Just because they get rescued doesn't mean they lack self worth. Please grow up
ariel definitely had no self worth i’m sorry there’s no way around it 💀
A little sad you didn't acknowledge the difference in the years these movies were released, the og Disney princess movies are from the 30s and 40s, but movies like Kiki and spirited away are 90s/2000s. By that time Disney had also moved into movies with better written female leads like Mulan. Seems a bit unfair to compare the writing of movies 60 years apart when the culture had changed so much in that time. Either way I prefer Ghibli movies, just seemed like a biased perspective.