One of the big reasons why this movie sucks, is that Patty basically fired most of the team who made the first movie good, like the screenwriter and Zach Snyder's stunt and effects team. She had complete creative control over this film and it shows. Sad because Wonder Woman deserves better than this.
Rape is rape, man. There should be a whole shit show about this (there is in smaller circles), but largely the patriarchal idea of guys being ok with sex from anyone, anywhere, at anytime still persists...even when the (fictional) guy had his consciousness and free will subverted.
@@cornelius8617 somehow when women are oppressed the sjw call it "patriarchy" and when the men are the ones who are oppressed they ALSO call it "patriarchy". because "men bad".
They made Wonder Woman a rapist and didn´t even adressed it. They DO hint at it that they are aware about it, but they just ignore it. In addition it´s open to discussion if the guy was aware during the whole time. Which would make it , frankly, worse.
I would agree with your last point if Steve was having issues maintaining control. The only thing that remotely made it seem like the guy he took over still had some influence was the outfit that he is wearing when she sees him at the end as himself.
So this guy just lost days and months of his memory and at the end he's just fine, celebrating Christmas. Why? With simple changes, even with this plot it could have been so much better.
@@mahimagautam7134 ive seen two ways the plot could have handeled this much much better 1. the most common is make it that steve is just brought back with a body none of this magic roofie shit, i mean you could do this and the story wouldnt change 2. the 2nd and slightly messed up still but intresting is make it so they have no clue hes possed a body nor does diana know until the final moment when they recind the wish and its revealed that would have more weight (would still be a bit messed up but would be intresting) sadly nup they went with magic roofie
@@thorn5228 ikr. Nukes were magically appearing from no where but we needed Steve to possess a body. Even if they went with that route, at least make Diana question the rights and wrongs of what's happening. So poorly handled.
Given that guy doesn't react to Diana at all at the end makes me feel like he wasn't aware. I mean if you had just been posessed by a guy, saved the world, been remote-raped and done all that stuff with a woman i'd imagine you'd have more of a reaction than "Oh hey, nice weather huh?" so i kinda doubt he was awake during that time. Which doesn't make this any more okay. I mean drugging someone and raping them while they're unconscious still doesn't make it ok and that's basically the same thing this movie did.
If you imagine Superman making love to a Lois Lane incarnated in the body of some random woman without her consent, you could never get that movie made. Yet this was fine.🤔
No of course it isn't one bit. I think the problem ist that in the patriachical society it was set as a norm that men always want to have sex and thereby pretty much do not need to give consent. One of the many ways the patriarchy is hurting men. Also there are people in this very comments section calling it rape. Like, who is saying it's fine?
@@Operation_Bagel Oh yeah, for sure. I was more refering to the outside world because I thought the original comment might (!) be meant as "why are all people being hypocrates?", whish they just aren't.
The main thing that bugs me about most comic book movies is that the characters have decades of stories to get inspiration from(wonder woman has almost 80 years) and yet these writers/directors just pull something out of their ass and stick in some fan service(invisible jet) thinking that's enough.
What if I told you the Dream Stone, or Materiopticon, is a thing from the comics, it's is closely associated with a character who does not appear or is even mentioned in this film, and doesn't do what it does in the movie? What I think I find most infuriatingly ironic is in the DCEU we have Maxwell Lord (At least who they're calling Maxwell Lord) getting away scott free in a Wonder Woman movie while Superman breaks a man's neck.
To be fair Cheetah caused major damage to that armour, the body suit offered protection but the wings that Diana discarded were an esential part of it.
80s because they wanted something like the Ragnarok. Horribly failed there. Also the music vibe in the trailer wasn't carried over into the movie. That was cunning.
Producer guy : Diana has to showup in a new golden suit to fight this cat lady. Writer guy : But why? Producer Guy : This way we can sell some new merchandise. Writer guy : Ok I put the suit somewhere in the middle of the movie.
The armor and the story she tells Steve should have been part of the opening scene and involved the same lesson about cheating, sacrificing what you want most desperately, etc. for the greater good, rather than being shoe-horned in the way it was.
One more thing that bothered me was that if first movie showed she was around during world war one, what was she doing during world war 2? Why didnt she help stop Hitler?
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The implications are the same wheter it was a man or a woman, it was rape because there was no consent from the guy who gets possesed by Steve, and almost every audience it's calling it out, but so far no damage control from the studio or the director.
If it was the roles reversed, this would be all over the media. The fact that it isn't annoys the crap out of me. Not for any asshole reason, but for the fact that rape is rape and this patriarchal bullshit that guys are cool with sex whenever, wherever, and with whomever is still in existence.
@@mr.osclasses5054 I think it's because it hasn't been released world wide in theaters so not a lot of people has seen it as it was expected, i have seen several articles about it that point out how much of an issue it is, the same on social media, but as you say in a patriarchal society it is pressumed that a guy should always want sex and be available, and because they don't have the risk of pregnancy it isn't seen as an issue as much as it is with women. Rape cases with a woman victim have the lowest statistics of charges been brought up for justice because of all the stigma and shame around it, in the cases of men it's even lower than that.
The only argument I'd have for her loving Steve after all these years would be that he was literally the first man she ever met. But I totally agree it should have been set during WWII
Another issue is that as much as Diana loves Steve, it's hard to believe that this godly woman who's main purpose is to serve and help humankind, who's so empathetic and is the savior of all would choose to bring back her dead lover in an innocent guy's body as opposed to asking for world peace, ending of world hunger, ending racism, sexism, homophobia or literally any other world issue.
No, that I'd give a pass, if nothing else about this movie. She had no reason to actually believe the wish would be granted, so she allowed herself a selfish moment.
They really could have done the Steve Trevor thing differently by just having him appear out of nowhere. I get that they wanted to use the guy he posses as the new love interest and that was how they would introduce him but it could have been that they ended up knowing each other between movies. Then just push that he's showing an interest in her but she keeps longing for Steve. Then when she has to renounce her wish, have Steve say something about moving on and it opens the window for the new romance. The body possession actually would be harder to dispute if they actually did have him use a passport for them to travel because no one would suggest they just take an aircraft from a museum, that's just silly.
Having him be her love interest would be so gross. At what point in their relationship would she bring up the fact that she had sex w his technically unconscious body? Or would she just lie forever?
I think it is super funny that people watching these pitch meetings seem to forget that Ryan is playing both a producer AND the WRITER so when the Writer is asked 'why did that happen' and his answer is 'I don't know!' it is even more funny because we all know that it is the Writer who has to ANSWER all the questions regarding the story before exposing the story to the public.
I spent the majority of the last Act of this movie trying to help explain what was going on to my 12 year old son who then said how the hell did the Mandalorian do something so epic and so cringe in the same week. I don't know son but he was definitely the best part of the movie next to the pretty lady
They took the “Ghost Whisperer” thingy from CBS where Jennifer Love Hewitt’s dead husband David Conrad (Ghost) enters into another person body who just died in an accident.
For a movie set in the 80's why wasn't there an 80's soundtrack or at least use the "Blue Monday" track that they used in the trailer. That mall fight could have been fun with that song playing in the background. Like Thor Ragnarok did with "The Immigrant Song!"
My understanding of the wind around Max Lord was that it was all of his lies that was preventing the Lasso of Truth from reaching him. I don't remember it well but I think Diana came to a greater realization of Truth and could then reach him. That's my guess. Not great but it does connect back to the start of the film in a vague sense.
I think it was trying to go for the audience that grew up with the Wonder Woman tv show during the 80s. My mother was one of them, worked like a charm.
I know I'm getting to this video very late but I'm glad you brought up doing Wonder Woman WWII as the sequel. To be honest, I felt the first WW was very similar to Captain America : the First Avenger with the differences being a male vs female lead, WW is WW1 and CA is WW2 and and switch out Aries for Red Skull. I think had they used WW2 as the basis for the Wonder Woman sequel, it would have been compared to Captain America and being the DCEU is/was being compared to and basically playing catch up to the MCU, they didn't want more reason to compare.
@10:56 I thought about that too, but if he wishes for everything to go back to normal like Ryan said then he'd go back to being dead .... So the stone wouldn't be able to take back anything from him at that point
The one thing I will always dislike about this film is how badly they botched Cheetah in this I mean I’m not a huge dc fan but Cheetah is one of my absolute favorite DC villains I mean Barbara Minerva is a stone cold greedy and successful archeologist who (before Wonder Woman) always achieved what she set out to do so after she obtains the goddess of the hunts power and learns of Wonder Woman she sets out to best her soon to be nemesis to gain even more power losing her humanity and becoming a canabalisitic violent and remorseless warrior with each failure. Here she’s just a fan girl who wants to be in Diana’s shoes…
The weirdest part I remember is when she’s flying they kind of recreated a scene from the movie Sunshine with the same music and a narrator speaking over it. Felt so bizarre to see that lol
It was set in the nineteen eighties because there weren’t any other meta humans. Thus it would explain why Batman and Superman didn’t show up to help, Also I truly thought the loss was going to be the guy Trevor inhabited. I thought they were going to wrestle with the morality of inhabiting this guy, versus their desire to be together. Also when his son made wishes they didn’t come true. I thought when the boy wished for his father’s greatness they would wrestle with the idea that they would have to kill this little kid. There were so many interesting places this could have gone. Finally Diana and Barbara had great chemistry as friends. I thought they could have had a great resolution with them becoming friends, alleviating Diana;s loneliness, and Barbara’s insecurity. Then going forward into the next movies, that is when the jealousy can come in and she can become Cheetah somehow, With her being an archeologist, the African incarnation would have been easy. It would also allow Kristen Wiig to de`age.
The Steve Trevor thing...why did they think that was a good idea? The only way that should have been even considered is if Chris Pine couldn’t or wouldn’t return for the sequel.
I did not think it was possible, but now we have something that is so much worse than the Martha moment grom BvS. At least that moment had some thought put into it and had a beautiful context. It was executed laughably bad, but credit where credit is due. It makes absolutely no sense however why Steve Trevor couldn't just be blipped back into existence. You know, without possessing another Human being and basically assisting Wonder Woman in a rape. Gah, just writing it down feels so backwards and wrong, who greenlit this fucking script?
@@siegfried8644 paty apprently since shes defending this and considers it to be ok. and just yeah steve being a magic roofie makes no sense, could have him blipped as you put it and wouldnt change a thing
- There is no oil in Egypt. [Edit: I was wrong here. Egypt does have oil] - Propellor plane pilots can't fly computer controlled jets - Radar does not rely on the visible light spectrum - Fighter jets do not carry enough fuel to complete a transatlantic flight. - Wonder Woman does not have the power to turn things invisible. In other words.. She took a pilot who can't fly this plane, to a plane that can't make the trip, using a power she doesn't have, to effect a radar hack that can't possibly work, to a destination that can't be correct. This is already one of the craziest scenes ever put to film. But the set up makes it even more batshit: - Airport security in 1984 was basically non-existent. It would have been a lot easier to get onto a passenger plane without a passport than to sneak into a military base and board a fighter jet. - The man Steve is possessing likely does have a passport and was almost certainly carrying ID with his home address on him when he got possessed.
Wasn't it because the ww tv show was done in the 80s so they made this movie to be in that time period? That s the 1st thought i got when i read the title
I thought “surly someone would wish for the guy on tv to shut up or die” but then I thought “maybe he has the power NOT to grant the wishes of the people who make them”. It seems like it from the way he listens and then tells them when he grants the wish.
Don’t forget Steve didn’t know what fireworks were or the fact that the jet must have been moving at 40mph to see the fireworks at that speed... or the fact that his kid wishes something from him/stone so at the end Maxwell was also taking the life of his son killing him... but we won’t talk about that.
He knew what fireworks were he just didn't know they were fireworks. Once she said they are fireworks he immediately knew he could fly through them. It is actually worse than not knowing what fireworks are.
Someone in Kevin Smith podcast (Fatman Beyond) mentioned that they set her up in 80's because it is not collide with other Avengers... i mean Justice League members... Its simply just safe period of time for large scale problems.
WW84 defies some logic which Ryan explained in his video. It's funny how WB will give Patty the go ahead for a third movie but deny or worse kill Synder's vision for the DCEU following the release of his cut.
The Panavia tornado in this movie has the two people sitting side by side. IRL the pilot and copilot are seated front to back. BTW, how did Steve know how to fly to Egypt? How did he have enough fuel to get there without air to air refueling or touching down and refueling at another airfield? Only the later models of the panavia tornado had automatic sweepwing technology. How did Steve even know how to operate the manual sweep wing that was probably in this model?
WW2 would have made more sense than 1984. Also I would have made steve to make a wish that everything goes back to way it was. That way he sacrificed himself again at the end of the movie.
If Patty wasn't so determined that Wonder Woman's movies would be cut off from the rest of the DCEU, then it would have been possible to make a plot (which takes place post Justice League), where the world needs information that only Steve Trevor had, so Flash travels to the past, rescues him just as the plane crashes and brings him to the future.
That's also dumb. Flash travelling through time shouldnt be used as much due to butterfly effect implications. They better save that for Flashpoint only. Also, why can't we have a WW only focus movie? The problem was setting the movie at a time before Justice League so it contradicts itself from BvS where she was away from the world of men.
It wouldn’t create a butterfly effect because the plane still explodes and everyone in the past thinks that Steve is dead, he disappears from the past and brought to the future, so everyone thinks he dies in the explosion anyways.
@@toottoot75 You don't get how saving a people's live work? Even in the comics, Barry needs his treadmill to travel through time and when he doesn't use it (like Flashpoint) he can only do a little action, not interact as much and not to mention, take someone from the past to the future.
He doesn’t need much action or interaction. He can appear like 2 minutes before Steve explodes the plane, explain to him that he can take him to the future the moment he shoots the explosive, then he can save him from the explosion by carrying him with him somehow.
This had to be the easiest Pitch Meeting that Ryan has ever done. All the plot holes and inconsistencies can be seen in the first viewing of the movie. It's incredible this screenplay was ever approved.
A friend of mine pointed out when we watched the movie that the reason for the body take over was likely cause Trevor would have died in the years leading up and that is why he would need a different body. But he also agrees they would have just brought him back with his body magically.
Also, the setting timeline is probably to avoid any world conflict Diana would try and get involved with. The 80s was a pretty boring frame between Wars. I think their idea required a Lull moment in history and that was in.
I know this is somewhat a hot take but the first didn't set that high of a bar to begin with. This movie straight up wrecked the lore established in WW1, BvS and Justice League. It was really bad, you guys were very generous.
All this drama would have easily avoided if the stone would have taken the same thing what max lord asked for Actually, What stone have taken from max lord?🤔
When he says removing glasses makes people more attractive, I agree to disagree. Cause I wear glasses everyday and I’m pretty much that one person in school everyone wants to be friends with, so wearing glasses or not, it’s super easy and barely an inconvenience for people to like you
One of the big reasons why this movie sucks, is that Patty basically fired most of the team who made the first movie good, like the screenwriter and Zach Snyder's stunt and effects team. She had complete creative control over this film and it shows. Sad because Wonder Woman deserves better than this.
Yeah, most people give her credits for the first movie but now we learned what she's capable of. I'm afraid Rogue Squadron is not gonna end well.
@@taags Well, Kathleen Kennedy backs her up to a point she immediately green light the 3rd movie so..
@@rusenakman I'm getting sick of this WAHMEN crap
As another commenter said in another video: Patty Jenkins is like George Lucas, she does her best job when she's not in complete control
@@diegopansini3152 except George had vision
If it was a woman's body.....I think we would be living through a storm right now.....
Rape is rape, man. There should be a whole shit show about this (there is in smaller circles), but largely the patriarchal idea of guys being ok with sex from anyone, anywhere, at anytime still persists...even when the (fictional) guy had his consciousness and free will subverted.
Exactly
Thank you!
@@mr.osclasses5054 what are you talking about
@@cornelius8617
somehow when women are oppressed the sjw call it "patriarchy" and when the men are the ones who are oppressed they ALSO call it "patriarchy". because "men bad".
They made Wonder Woman a rapist and didn´t even adressed it. They DO hint at it that they are aware about it, but they just ignore it. In addition it´s open to discussion if the guy was aware during the whole time. Which would make it , frankly, worse.
I would agree with your last point if Steve was having issues maintaining control. The only thing that remotely made it seem like the guy he took over still had some influence was the outfit that he is wearing when she sees him at the end as himself.
So this guy just lost days and months of his memory and at the end he's just fine, celebrating Christmas. Why? With simple changes, even with this plot it could have been so much better.
@@mahimagautam7134 ive seen two ways the plot could have handeled this much much better
1. the most common is make it that steve is just brought back with a body none of this magic roofie shit, i mean you could do this and the story wouldnt change
2. the 2nd and slightly messed up still but intresting is make it so they have no clue hes possed a body nor does diana know until the final moment when they recind the wish and its revealed that would have more weight (would still be a bit messed up but would be intresting)
sadly nup they went with magic roofie
@@thorn5228 ikr. Nukes were magically appearing from no where but we needed Steve to possess a body.
Even if they went with that route, at least make Diana question the rights and wrongs of what's happening. So poorly handled.
Given that guy doesn't react to Diana at all at the end makes me feel like he wasn't aware. I mean if you had just been posessed by a guy, saved the world, been remote-raped and done all that stuff with a woman i'd imagine you'd have more of a reaction than "Oh hey, nice weather huh?" so i kinda doubt he was awake during that time. Which doesn't make this any more okay. I mean drugging someone and raping them while they're unconscious still doesn't make it ok and that's basically the same thing this movie did.
If you imagine Superman making love to a Lois Lane incarnated in the body of some random woman without her consent, you could never get that movie made. Yet this was fine.🤔
Hypocrisy as it's finest
It's call gynocentrism
No of course it isn't one bit. I think the problem ist that in the patriachical society it was set as a norm that men always want to have sex and thereby pretty much do not need to give consent. One of the many ways the patriarchy is hurting men.
Also there are people in this very comments section calling it rape. Like, who is saying it's fine?
@@filmliebhaber5283 The movie said it’s fine which is the problem
@@Operation_Bagel Oh yeah, for sure. I was more refering to the outside world because I thought the original comment might (!) be meant as "why are all people being hypocrates?", whish they just aren't.
Making a pitch meeting reference is super easy, barely an inconvenience
Pitch Meeting references are TIGHT!
Oh Really?
The main thing that bugs me about most comic book movies is that the characters have decades of stories to get inspiration from(wonder woman has almost 80 years) and yet these writers/directors just pull something out of their ass and stick in some fan service(invisible jet) thinking that's enough.
What if I told you the Dream Stone, or Materiopticon, is a thing from the comics, it's is closely associated with a character who does not appear or is even mentioned in this film, and doesn't do what it does in the movie?
What I think I find most infuriatingly ironic is in the DCEU we have Maxwell Lord (At least who they're calling Maxwell Lord) getting away scott free in a Wonder Woman movie while Superman breaks a man's neck.
Um, DCEU Bruce surely wished for his parents back right?
SHUT UP!
Wonder Woman: This golden eagle armor can withstand anything.
Cheetah: Hold my beer.
To be fair Cheetah caused major damage to that armour, the body suit offered protection but the wings that Diana discarded were an esential part of it.
It withstood a bunch of human men, and a bunch of big guns, not a superpowered cheetah. I guess that's okay?
HEY!!! SHE'S AN APEX PREDATOR!!
Apex means Top. Get it!!!
She can tear off a golden dress, it's nothing.
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Such a stupid script right
R u some kind of mediocre or what
Cheetah's claws r powerful
The golden armor had never faced anything like that.
80s because they wanted something like the Ragnarok. Horribly failed there.
Also the music vibe in the trailer wasn't carried over into the movie. That was cunning.
Dude Ragnarok was set in space... not the 80s
@@kagani6202 But the poster work was very, very familiar to Thor: Ragnarok.
@@kagani6202 plus Ragnarok stuck with it's 80s tone, WW84 didn't
1984, that's means the age of floppy disk and tape cassette
@@wernerwombo3789 the posters looks way better than Ragnaroks
ScreenRant not doing a pitch meeting for The Interview is TIGHT
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I so wanted Diana to be involved in Cold War as a spy or something... Would have made such an amazing movie and justified the 1984 setting....
Producer guy : Diana has to showup in a new golden suit to fight this cat lady.
Writer guy : But why?
Producer Guy : This way we can sell some new merchandise.
Writer guy : Ok I put the suit somewhere in the middle of the movie.
The armor and the story she tells Steve should have been part of the opening scene and involved the same lesson about cheating, sacrificing what you want most desperately, etc. for the greater good, rather than being shoe-horned in the way it was.
Pretty sure it was Petty's idea since she wrote the movie.
The golden suit was actually pretty cool, and about the only ting that was cool in the entire movie.
The golden suit is from kingdom come book, one of the best dc stories. Shame they just wasted the suit like that.
One more thing that bothered me was that if first movie showed she was around during world war one, what was she doing during world war 2? Why didnt she help stop Hitler?
She was sad.
@@ohio really?? 😂
I'm talking about "the universe" that the first movie itself had set up. Even Deadpool 2 tried to tackle that issue. 🙂
Maybe getting rid of Ares also prevented WWII in that continuity.
There were pictures in her house with her ww1 crew at a concentration camp which implies she participated in ww2
Cause she don't have a man worth fighting for XD
"Who's to say?"
"You are"
"Yeeaah"
That's my favorite thing Ryan has ever said in this channel XD I hope he brings it back
I've watched you ever since Loki...but watching you react to the Pitch series is just great! I've watched just about every episode of the Pitch series....watching you guys react just makes it so much better... I've watched about 5 of your Pitch reactions so far..in the last 2 days...loving them
Peggy! No disrespecting Haley Atwell as fine as that woman is.
right lol these guys are total cringe!
I see Ryan George, I click .
Ah I see you are a man of culture
Same
@@TheGaganPonnappa That culture being a world where everyone looks like Ryan George.
The implications are the same wheter it was a man or a woman, it was rape because there was no consent from the guy who gets possesed by Steve, and almost every audience it's calling it out, but so far no damage control from the studio or the director.
If it was the roles reversed, this would be all over the media. The fact that it isn't annoys the crap out of me. Not for any asshole reason, but for the fact that rape is rape and this patriarchal bullshit that guys are cool with sex whenever, wherever, and with whomever is still in existence.
@@mr.osclasses5054 I think it's because it hasn't been released world wide in theaters so not a lot of people has seen it as it was expected, i have seen several articles about it that point out how much of an issue it is, the same on social media, but as you say in a patriarchal society it is pressumed that a guy should always want sex and be available, and because they don't have the risk of pregnancy it isn't seen as an issue as much as it is with women. Rape cases with a woman victim have the lowest statistics of charges been brought up for justice because of all the stigma and shame around it, in the cases of men it's even lower than that.
but its a guy so its ok according to the media
@@nightnaughty but male rape victims are forced to pay child support. even if they're underage victims of female sex offenders
@@celticlord88 please provide source?
The only argument I'd have for her loving Steve after all these years would be that he was literally the first man she ever met. But I totally agree it should have been set during WWII
I do agree the cheetah cgi in the movie looks better than the trailer as well as the rest of the movie.
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It was still awful, though.
Another issue is that as much as Diana loves Steve, it's hard to believe that this godly woman who's main purpose is to serve and help humankind, who's so empathetic and is the savior of all would choose to bring back her dead lover in an innocent guy's body as opposed to asking for world peace, ending of world hunger, ending racism, sexism, homophobia or literally any other world issue.
No, that I'd give a pass, if nothing else about this movie. She had no reason to actually believe the wish would be granted, so she allowed herself a selfish moment.
I thought Wonder Woman was supposed to be involved in the Cold War hence the 80s setting but oh well.
So nice to have you guys watch pitch meetings with me 😃
Steve's existence was only there to give Diana a wish to renounce and nothing else......doesn't help this body swapping issue though
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Db?
Decibels? Database?
Naruto: hold my kurama
@@EternalDensity 😂😂😂😂
The first thing I thought of with the world getting wishes was “I wish for world peace”.
They really could have done the Steve Trevor thing differently by just having him appear out of nowhere. I get that they wanted to use the guy he posses as the new love interest and that was how they would introduce him but it could have been that they ended up knowing each other between movies. Then just push that he's showing an interest in her but she keeps longing for Steve. Then when she has to renounce her wish, have Steve say something about moving on and it opens the window for the new romance.
The body possession actually would be harder to dispute if they actually did have him use a passport for them to travel because no one would suggest they just take an aircraft from a museum, that's just silly.
Having him be her love interest would be so gross. At what point in their relationship would she bring up the fact that she had sex w his technically unconscious body? Or would she just lie forever?
I think it is super funny that people watching these pitch meetings seem to forget that Ryan is playing both a producer AND the WRITER so when the Writer is asked 'why did that happen' and his answer is 'I don't know!' it is even more funny because we all know that it is the Writer who has to ANSWER all the questions regarding the story before exposing the story to the public.
My favourite part was that the 4th of July fireworks during the jet scene, then suddenly its Christmas.
Nice editing pushing Achara, her reaction got me laughing right away.
Seems like they chose the '80s just to put Steve Trevor through the embarrassing clothes montage, complete with fanny pack on each outfit.
Why is a fanny pack embarrassing???🤔🤔🤔
I spent the majority of the last Act of this movie trying to help explain what was going on to my 12 year old son who then said how the hell did the Mandalorian do something so epic and so cringe in the same week.
I don't know son but he was definitely the best part of the movie next to the pretty lady
They took the “Ghost Whisperer” thingy from CBS where Jennifer Love Hewitt’s dead husband David Conrad (Ghost) enters into another person body who just died in an accident.
well now its not rape its necrophillia
This is the best pitch meeting video 😂😂😂😂
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*Do more these Pitch Meetings* 👍
Awesome😀.
For a movie set in the 80's why wasn't there an 80's soundtrack or at least use the "Blue Monday" track that they used in the trailer. That mall fight could have been fun with that song playing in the background. Like Thor Ragnarok did with "The Immigrant Song!"
Because money.
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I love how they're ascribing to an immortal woman a time period to mourn.
How long did this adventure take because they stole the plane on the 4th of July and ended Christmas. Did someone wish for Christmas to be early?
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You both have some unique names, I had to guess the pronunciation first time :)
You guys have such cool sounding names lol
"Who's to say!" "You are!" "Yeaaaah." XD
Another detail ... a small jet that can go from Washington DC to Egipt, no stop?
My understanding of the wind around Max Lord was that it was all of his lies that was preventing the Lasso of Truth from reaching him. I don't remember it well but I think Diana came to a greater realization of Truth and could then reach him. That's my guess. Not great but it does connect back to the start of the film in a vague sense.
You know movie is bad when DBZ logic make more sense than that of the movie
Imo they set it in the 80s to pull off a "Strangers Things" vibe
If that was their actual aim/goal, they friggin' failed, MISERABLY. I had absolutely no "Stranger Things" vibe from it at all.
I think it was trying to go for the audience that grew up with the Wonder Woman tv show during the 80s. My mother was one of them, worked like a charm.
As usual DC jumps on the band wagon and flips the thing.
How can the get nothing right?
Except Shizam that was tight.
@@MegaJosh42 Shazam was such a feel good movie, there's no topping that. Hopefully it will in the sequel
Dragonball Super fan....yes it is super relevant... awesome series :) and in other news, pitch meeting nailed it yet again with wonder woman 84! :D
Goku and vegeta looks badass in suits..
I know I'm getting to this video very late but I'm glad you brought up doing Wonder Woman WWII as the sequel. To be honest, I felt the first WW was very similar to Captain America : the First Avenger with the differences being a male vs female lead, WW is WW1 and CA is WW2 and and switch out Aries for Red Skull. I think had they used WW2 as the basis for the Wonder Woman sequel, it would have been compared to Captain America and being the DCEU is/was being compared to and basically playing catch up to the MCU, they didn't want more reason to compare.
damn dude, you have a really good voice. ( I hate my voice)
@10:56 I thought about that too, but if he wishes for everything to go back to normal like Ryan said then he'd go back to being dead .... So the stone wouldn't be able to take back anything from him at that point
The lasso is alive, it crawls like a snake to the villain's ankle lol
Plot twist: That random guy who was violated by WW actually had a hidden camera set up in the bedroom. That's why he found her later.😂😂
He had AIDS
The one thing I will always dislike about this film is how badly they botched Cheetah in this I mean I’m not a huge dc fan but Cheetah is one of my absolute favorite DC villains I mean Barbara Minerva is a stone cold greedy and successful archeologist who (before Wonder Woman) always achieved what she set out to do so after she obtains the goddess of the hunts power and learns of Wonder Woman she sets out to best her soon to be nemesis to gain even more power losing her humanity and becoming a canabalisitic violent and remorseless warrior with each failure. Here she’s just a fan girl who wants to be in Diana’s shoes…
The weirdest part I remember is when she’s flying they kind of recreated a scene from the movie Sunshine with the same music and a narrator speaking over it. Felt so bizarre to see that lol
It was set in the nineteen eighties because there weren’t any other meta humans. Thus it would explain why Batman and Superman didn’t show up to help, Also I truly thought the loss was going to be the guy Trevor inhabited. I thought they were going to wrestle with the morality of inhabiting this guy, versus their desire to be together. Also when his son made wishes they didn’t come true. I thought when the boy wished for his father’s greatness they would wrestle with the idea that they would have to kill this little kid. There were so many interesting places this could have gone. Finally Diana and Barbara had great chemistry as friends. I thought they could have had a great resolution with them becoming friends, alleviating Diana;s loneliness, and Barbara’s insecurity. Then going forward into the next movies, that is when the jealousy can come in and she can become Cheetah somehow, With her being an archeologist, the African incarnation would have been easy. It would also allow Kristen Wiig to de`age.
The Steve Trevor thing...why did they think that was a good idea? The only way that should have been even considered is if Chris Pine couldn’t or wouldn’t return for the sequel.
I did not think it was possible, but now we have something that is so much worse than the Martha moment grom BvS.
At least that moment had some thought put into it and had a beautiful context. It was executed laughably bad, but credit where credit is due.
It makes absolutely no sense however why Steve Trevor couldn't just be blipped back into existence. You know, without possessing another Human being and basically assisting Wonder Woman in a rape.
Gah, just writing it down feels so backwards and wrong, who greenlit this fucking script?
@@siegfried8644 paty apprently since shes defending this and considers it to be ok.
and just yeah steve being a magic roofie makes no sense, could have him blipped as you put it and wouldnt change a thing
- There is no oil in Egypt. [Edit: I was wrong here. Egypt does have oil]
- Propellor plane pilots can't fly computer controlled jets
- Radar does not rely on the visible light spectrum
- Fighter jets do not carry enough fuel to complete a transatlantic flight.
- Wonder Woman does not have the power to turn things invisible.
In other words..
She took a pilot who can't fly this plane, to a plane that can't make the trip, using a power she doesn't have, to effect a radar hack that can't possibly work, to a destination that can't be correct.
This is already one of the craziest scenes ever put to film. But the set up makes it even more batshit:
- Airport security in 1984 was basically non-existent. It would have been a lot easier to get onto a passenger plane without a passport than to sneak into a military base and board a fighter jet.
- The man Steve is possessing likely does have a passport and was almost certainly carrying ID with his home address on him when he got possessed.
I agree with everything you said except the Egypt part, Egypt absolutely has lots of Oil.
@@kuayinal-kadir6846 Yes, it has significant shale oil reserves. I thought I went back & edited this. I'll do it now.
Apparently we forgot the bit where flying on Shazams lighting with no cameo is normal
Wasn't it because the ww tv show was done in the 80s so they made this movie to be in that time period? That s the 1st thought i got when i read the title
Jaby U watch Attack On Titan???
Someone would have also wished for no nukes. That was a huge protest push in that time period
I thought “surly someone would wish for the guy on tv to shut up or die” but then I thought “maybe he has the power NOT to grant the wishes of the people who make them”. It seems like it from the way he listens and then tells them when he grants the wish.
Wait Jaby didn't mention the interview🧐
Just so you know Jaby appreciate the outfit
Something else that didn't make sense was Wonder Woman lasso couldn't get him threw the wind, but she lassos lighting threw a storm in the sky
Zeus helping out maybe?
Can't we just remember all this is inspired/ based on a comic?
Don’t forget Steve didn’t know what fireworks were or the fact that the jet must have been moving at 40mph to see the fireworks at that speed... or the fact that his kid wishes something from him/stone so at the end Maxwell was also taking the life of his son killing him... but we won’t talk about that.
He knew what fireworks were he just didn't know they were fireworks. Once she said they are fireworks he immediately knew he could fly through them. It is actually worse than not knowing what fireworks are.
Ah Freddy and Carly all grewed up xx
Achara Just a reminder to view "Sweet Home" at least you.
Someone in Kevin Smith podcast (Fatman Beyond) mentioned that they set her up in 80's because it is not collide with other Avengers... i mean Justice League members... Its simply just safe period of time for large scale problems.
Let me guess Kevin Smith jizzed over the movie.
@@matthewbishop8395 Maybe not that much but yeah, he liked it and mentioned his wife too. But not without issues and they talked about them a little.
Ohhh Ryan Geoge is tight!
WWWWII would be a tight title.
What is your Favourite Anime??
hire this guy for VOICEOVERS ASAP
Geoff Johns shouldn't be allowed to be near any dc property again. Also I hope patty isn't involved as a writer in the next movie.
Don´t worry, she will be busy with Star Wars Rogue Squadron...
He is great at comics but really bad at movies
Do the dark knight pitch meeting...
this movie was the cyberpunk of superhero films
Two seater jets!
WW84 defies some logic which Ryan explained in his video. It's funny how WB will give Patty the go ahead for a third movie but deny or worse kill Synder's vision for the DCEU following the release of his cut.
Been through Dragon Ball Super more than ten times now
The Panavia tornado in this movie has the two people sitting side by side. IRL the pilot and copilot are seated front to back. BTW, how did Steve know how to fly to Egypt? How did he have enough fuel to get there without air to air refueling or touching down and refueling at another airfield? Only the later models of the panavia tornado had automatic sweepwing technology. How did Steve even know how to operate the manual sweep wing that was probably in this model?
Well, a plane is a plane. Are you saying a plane isn’t a plane? Because a plane is a plane.
dragon ball super ep 109 and 110 (I know its to late but still) a reaction video plz.
A Plane is a Plane
Achara is classic...
This movie was a mess....
Why dont you guys react to Dream?
Literally only reason to have Steve come back in another body is to give him a source of 1980s clothing for the clothes gag.
But the stone can't make clothes?
WW2 would have made more sense than 1984. Also I would have made steve to make a wish that everything goes back to way it was. That way he sacrificed himself again at the end of the movie.
If Patty wasn't so determined that Wonder Woman's movies would be cut off from the rest of the DCEU, then it would have been possible to make a plot (which takes place post Justice League), where the world needs information that only Steve Trevor had, so Flash travels to the past, rescues him just as the plane crashes and brings him to the future.
That's also dumb. Flash travelling through time shouldnt be used as much due to butterfly effect implications. They better save that for Flashpoint only. Also, why can't we have a WW only focus movie? The problem was setting the movie at a time before Justice League so it contradicts itself from BvS where she was away from the world of men.
It wouldn’t create a butterfly effect because the plane still explodes and everyone in the past thinks that Steve is dead, he disappears from the past and brought to the future, so everyone thinks he dies in the explosion anyways.
@@toottoot75 You don't get how saving a people's live work? Even in the comics, Barry needs his treadmill to travel through time and when he doesn't use it (like Flashpoint) he can only do a little action, not interact as much and not to mention, take someone from the past to the future.
He doesn’t need much action or interaction. He can appear like 2 minutes before Steve explodes the plane, explain to him that he can take him to the future the moment he shoots the explosive, then he can save him from the explosion by carrying him with him somehow.
This had to be the easiest Pitch Meeting that Ryan has ever done. All the plot holes and inconsistencies can be seen in the first viewing of the movie. It's incredible this screenplay was ever approved.
A friend of mine pointed out when we watched the movie that the reason for the body take over was likely cause Trevor would have died in the years leading up and that is why he would need a different body. But he also agrees they would have just brought him back with his body magically.
Also, the setting timeline is probably to avoid any world conflict Diana would try and get involved with. The 80s was a pretty boring frame between Wars. I think their idea required a Lull moment in history and that was in.
I want to talk about that armour which was supposed to super strong bt gets destroyed so easily
I think you missed the glasses line..
I know this is somewhat a hot take but the first didn't set that high of a bar to begin with. This movie straight up wrecked the lore established in WW1, BvS and Justice League. It was really bad, you guys were very generous.
All this drama would have easily avoided if the stone would have taken the same thing what max lord asked for
Actually, What stone have taken from max lord?🤔
When he says removing glasses makes people more attractive, I agree to disagree. Cause I wear glasses everyday and I’m pretty much that one person in school everyone wants to be friends with, so wearing glasses or not, it’s super easy and barely an inconvenience for people to like you