Fighting EV car fires with the FIRE ISOLATOR concept - Live testing UPDATED VERSION
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- čas přidán 1. 12. 2021
- Seeing the FIRE⚡️ISOLATOR concept for fighting (EV) car fires in action and seeing how it minimizes the collateral damage of EV car fires on ferries or in car parks, was the goal of the live testing day on November 18, 2021. The professional facilities of the Nordjyllands Beredskab (Nordjylland Emergency Training Center) outside of Frederikshavn, Denmark, provided the scene and fire fighting professionals for the live tests that we have all been waiting for.
The overall conclusion is that the Fire Isolator concept works. Another conclusion is that an EV car fire on board a ferry or in a carpark is a huge problem! When fighting an EV car fire, one should not rely on just one tactic, but on the coordinated use of all components of the Fire Isolator concept.
A big thank you to the Nordjyllands Beredskab and to the professionals from the Fire Isolator partners: GARANT PROTECH, Studsgaard A/S, Bullard Europe, and T-ISS.
For more information about the Fire Isolator concept, for quotes and to be kept updated on new live testing dates for particular industries, the training program, go to fireisolator.com or contact us via sales@t-iss.com or call +31 (0) 315 65 60 60.
Fire Isolator is the most effective method to fight and control electric car fires, using a high-temperature resistant car fire blanket, aerosol units to kick down the flames and water mist.
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It was the ever being present algorithm from YT, mentioning the video: " . . New Study on Electric Car Deaths Shocks the Entire Car Industry . . ." , which brought me here.
Lithium Ion batteries don't burn oxygen, it's a self sustaining fire when the batteries are burning. This would help the fire from spreading to other object, but the batteries will burn the car itself to the ground.
No it won't , because there is no oxygen for seats, plastic to burn. Batteries need water to cool down to actually do the thermal runaway
@@Y2KvidsWrong, the oxygen comes from the thermal decomposition of the batteries.
Metal oxides break down under heat.
Why is it called a "Thermal runaway"?
@@g8ymw For most common types of batteries. For example, LFPs don't produce oxygen.
@@MrVolodus EV's do not use common types of batteries, so your statement is irrelevant. Lithium iron phosphate are less energy dense and heavier so are not utilised in EVs. They are less prone to thermal run away however under the wrong conditions can liberate oxygen and self sustain a fire. LiFePO4 has more that enough oxygen.
ALL fires require oxygen. No exceptions. Some chemicals, metals produce their own oxygen as they burn. Just saying
Great idea!👍
This is the green future🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪
Yep just another product of the climate extremists lefts green agenda. Kill the environment while trying to save the environment.
We're sure saving the environment with these electric vehicles.... 🤪
But add more flights and burn millions more gallons of jet fuel above our heads daily...People are absolutely retarded.
Not saving. Just less damaging.
@@Jehty_ Yeah, this looks WAY less damaging to the environment...
@@bfreeman2121 well, in that case it's a good thing that reality doesn't give a shit about what you think looks better.
How about you look at actual facts? And don't base your opinions on what looks better 🤦♀️
You want to tell me you’ve never seen a car or truck with a combustion engine on fire? And you’ve never heard of the massive clean ups needed after any big fire?
Engines are the best.
I don’t see an EV fire, just a regular care fire. Is there any testing with EV thermal runaway fires?
The Renault Zoe that is in the video is an EV. There the battery pack was set on fire for the test.
Look for the Tesla badge
3:18 3:35 why was the trunk open?
Why EV makers don’t pre-wrap their batteries compartment with such isolator materials? This should be written into law to reduce injuries and deaths of EV fire!
Have the fire exit out the rear so people can get out without getting their legs burned.
To finish the job I would recommend the product F-500 which has a cooling affect that works for EV fires.
How many times can these blankets be used?
The ones I saw consumed themselves. They will not put the fire out, only contain it and keep it from spreading until proper extinguishing equipment and chemicals arrive at the scene.
4:25 How is that much highly contaminated water cleaned to remove the toxins so it can be safely disposed of? Seems like a big problem to me.
You are certainly right about that. That polluted water will then have to be disposed of according to local rules and environmental standards for the disposal of polluted water.
Well in the UK, that question has been raised a number of times to local authorities and the fire service..... Both of them say its not their problem and say its the responsibility of other. At least in this video, the car is dumped into a container. As ridiculous as it sounds the plan in the UK is to dig a hole (just have to wait for a digger to be delivered and dig the hole) next to the car on fire, fill it with water and push the car in. I guess toxins won't be such a problem to deal with a it will all seep into the ground..... Problem solved.
What about the air pollution? Is one burning BEV offsetting the supposed CO2 advantage of thousands?
@@raymundhofmann7661 Good question, I've wondered that too. I've also wondered how much of their CO2 advantage has been offset by the cargo ship fires involving EV's. At least one of them sunk an entire ship full of thousands of vehicles. What is the environmental impact of losing an entire ship, all of its contents, and all those raw materials? And then there's the issue of the batteries and all the other toxic substances onboard polluting the ocean. Did the cargo ship incidents alone offset the reduced emissions from many or all of the EV's sold so far? I'm not an environmental scientist, but I wouldn't be a bit surprised if it did.
I hear it costs a million bucks to to so, that also includes digging up the contaminated ground and its disposal.
What if it is a hev with petrol and batteries?
What if you spray it with hot ice .
It's been known for years that lithium batteries are an unstable technology. What is needed are safer batteries...for everything. Also, possibly ban lithium-based batteries. The NiMH batteries may not have the energy density, but they didn't have this problem this problem.
and evs are the future !😊
No. Just NO!.
Either EVs or you stop driving all together.
Your choice.
@@Jehty_ WRONG. There isn't enough electrical infrastructure to support even 50% EV's. Nor can EV's do everything.
@@ffjsb obviously I wasn't talking about everyone switching to EVs tomorrow.
Come on dude. Use your brain.
@@Jehty_ Doesn't matter if it's tomorrow (and you DID NOT specify) or 20 years from now, NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
2:23 fix the back what happened to the back?
EV are best thing since slice bread.....said no one ever
Your list at the end missed the forklift capable of lifting around 2 tons to a height of around 10 feet. - Just saying.....
You are right, no doubt. In this case, we had the tools to dump the car in a dipping container but in many more cases, this is not possible. Eg in car parks, on ferries etc. And in even more situations, there is not even a dipping container available. All in all, it is big challenge. That’s why we can imagine that the fire fighters keep the blanket on it for several hours.
@@t-issbv4226 why not build a dipping container around the car? There are water filled dam barriers, they can be easily carried on a fire engine. Put them around the burning car, fill with water, and voila you have your 'container', then just fill it with water. Moreover a contaminated water can then be pumped for proper disposal. Additionally, this dams can be used during actual floods or chemical spills.
What are the chances of a tire blowing while fitting blanket
That chance is definitely there. During our live fire tests, the tires blew while the blanket was on the car. While that was not the main goal of the blanket, it still helped minimize any collateral damage.
How many % of energy is there while burning in the battery?
Once thermal runaway occurs, the battery pack is no longer being a battery. The battery is decomposing, producing its own oxygen, which makes them particularly difficult to extinguish.
@@timh6845 Until ALL the cells have burnt, there's still energy.
@@timh6845 Im więcej energii znajduje się w akumulatorze tym bardziej gwałtowne reakcje zachodzą a nawet eksplozje. Weź dwa ogniwa 18650 Samsung 35E z czego jedno rozładowane i zrób w nich zwarcie. Wtedy zobaczysz że nie miałeś racji.
But as the car transport ship demonstrated, an EV that has been "out" for days, reignites in a moment. Also, 500° is over twice the temperature for EV batter self combustion, so it would burn for days...
I think a mixture of this and the new rosenbauer tool for penetrating and flooding the cells is the way forward.
Nope, if it's not endangering exposures, LET IT BURN!! And I mean all the way to the ground. That way you can just sweep up the material. Otherwise you're going to have a hazmat nightmare to clean up from all the contaminated water.
@@ffjsb exactly. And when you even mention getting a class D, KCl or other lithium extinguisher to the fire department to lower that risk, they look at you like you just demanded a new truck or mentioned something that is and could be beneficial to the community. But, it is perfect fine for the chief to drain the accounts to build his and his kids' houses and buy them luxury toys...
@@chucknorris3984 What are you even talking about???
@@ffjsb But the whole issue, and the main reason why we launched this concept, is that the risk of huge collateral damages is almost always there: in car parks, on ferries, in busy streets, etc. Only in the middle of a desert, you could perhaps let it burn out. In any other situation, you need to have the tools to prevent collateral damage. The car is going to be totaled without any doubt, but preventing the fire from spreading to other cars or a building is the main goal here. And water does NOT do that job, unfortunately.
@@t-issbv4226 "Only in the middle of the desert"...
Uh, NO. All you need to do is to be able to move it 50' from any exposure and LET IT BURN. The blanket is a good TEMPORARY solution to protect exposures until you can either remove them, or move the car. It's going to reignite, that's just a fact. In thermal runaway, it can produce it's own oxygen.
So have a forklift and dipping container on hand in every car park. 🚗
EV time bomb , would have to park 3 streets away- forget it .
3:35 something is missing
After that dreadful fire on the transportee ship, this suggests that covering the cars preventatively might make the transport of high volumes of evs safer. Naturally the fire will continue to burn, but it should not spread.
We agree. the costs of that would be a challenge but then at least when an EV goes into thermal runaway, the fire does not spread.
@@t-issbv4226 I don't know what the blankets cost but I was thinking of reusing them for each crossing. But I wonder if the insurance might insist that something is done.
Yes, the blankets can definitely be reused for each crossing. Our blankets are reusable up to 6-7 times in an EV car fire. So just pulling the blanket over a car without any fire can be done countless times.@@NickAskew
@@t-issbv4226 Ah that's good news. Just one other thought, what is the texture like? I mean obviously the intention is to prevent fire spreading so consideration of damage to the paint is probably not high on the list. So for protecting new cars, it would be sensible to ensure the blanket has a texture that protects the paint.
Ideal if the car standing alone in an empty car park but what about if other cars parked next to it. By the time the fire brigade get there these to will be on fire.
During our training and also in one of our other videos here on CZcams we show how to install the blanket with cars parked next to the car. Speed is key here, and the people installing it should wear PPE.
Single use Fire Blanket..better be cheap & bought in bulk to be economical..
💡 နည်းပညာမြင့်နိုင်ငံတွေမှာ လျှပ်စစ်ကား မီးခနခနလောင်တာ စိတ်ကူးယဥ်ငရဲသားလောင်းမသိရှာဘူး။
Who is mad enough to buy one of these Cremation EV Vehicles?
more a case of ignorance.
A friend of the family was recently burned to death in a Tesla crash. These EVs are unsafe at any speed, including parked. They must be banned.
It's not the fire that's the worse part of it it's the dangerous gasses and the toxic water that runs off when fighting the fire.not very good in an under ground car park with shops above.
You are right. What we noticed during our live tests and demos, is that when the blanket is kept wet, this reduces the toxic vapour and smoke leaking through the blanket.
No different to putting a chip pan fire out with a fibre glass fire blanket and the EV fires I've seen are much more fierce than this one.
It's completely different. They don't put the fire out with the blanket.
@@Jehty_ That is correct. The main purpose of the blanket in our concept, is not to extinguish the fire in the lithium battery (you can't) but to minimize the collateral damage. Since putting water on the battery is like carrying water to the sea, we use the aerosol units to kick down the flames as well and as permanently as possible. With all this, we could not get the fire in the battery out, we did lower the temperature and got the car to a point where you could at least talk about extraction/removal of the vehicle.
Like so many "pro" EV idiots that have burned lithium ion batteries before, I bet these were already fully discharged. The fire IS completely different when they are fully or partially charged. The release of the electricity produces sustained arcs similar to a flash over. These flashovers are much hotter than a plain old fire.
I'd love to see this work, truth is, it won't. I wear nomec arc ban overalls for my job and have experienced flashovers. Even the nomec burns when it's a sustained arc. At the point of an arc flashover, we RUN !!
@@robtmcL12 Both of our test EV’s (hybrids) that we used for our live tests, were about 40-50% charged. A Renault Fluence and a Renault Zoe.
This may help fires on a ship, but won't be good enough once a fire starts in real world usage on the road once a fire starts or while in a large complex ,unseen at night
Pee on it if you can get close enough!
Forklift burning car dipping container! Shiping container where do I buy tickets good one.!!🤣🤣🤣🤣😉
Imagine nipping into a shop for a minute. Coming back to find your kids are burning alive inside..
Yeah cutting oxygen only slows burning of plastics etc in car, battery will continue to melt through car body to road or boat deck or hull beneath. Dumping into a tank is of course not feasible anyplace other than an outdoor car pack. An EV on open highway, a garage, a ferry will be almost impossible to get to a tank without costing tens and tens of thousands in haz mat suited workers time, heavy equipment, road closures, permits, police escorts fyi lawn and garden show, EV lawn mower caught fire, it was BURIED and still burned emitting gas through feet of topsoil above it. The only possible solution would be a neutralizing chemical packed around each cell, cutting energy storage in half?
I know how to avoid that drive a gas burner
electric cars are a Hazmat and life safety Nightmare
The cost of house insurance will inevitably increase massively for anyone owning an electric vehicle .
New combustion tech captures CO2 and water for recycle on the car. This CO2 and water puts out any fire by FREEZING the engine and fuel compartments with dry ice and spray with water to dilute the fuel (Ethanol is ideal for this reason). Choice: 1) burn to death in EV, 2) live with co2 and water from car.
EVs are OBSOLETE for the fire reasons alone. The rare earth mining issue will end them soon enough. 1-2 cycles and no more materials to build them. Game over.
Try 6000 miles on 60 gallons of Ethanol in 6 minutes. 6-6-6... Capture and recycle the CO2 for $1/gal at home. A 100% RE grid is needed to charge the battery and it will be 200 times more CO2 and 20 times more costs than making fuel. No EV company can compete with this new tech.
Combustion is KEY to RE and nuclear. Fuel IS the battery. Just a matter of time before this EV nightmare ends. It won't work folks.
lol, now a realistic EV battery fire, with torches out and explosions. Lets stand close to put a blanket on! suicidal! Utterly stupid idea in the real world. Apart from with blanket keeping the heat in, to accelerate the battery fire lol.
Stay away from EVs
JUST THINK, NO PRESIDENT BIDEN NO EV AUTOMOBILES . SOUNDS LIKE A TWO TIME WINNER.
So if u buy a EV ur suppose to carry this blanket around with u ? No thank u ill never buy one of these fire hazards!!