I think in my observation that moonton wanted to nerf natalia so bad is because majority of the players still use her as a roamer than a jungler. It’s really rare to see jungler Natalia recently since her new buff (more dmg to creeps)
i have been spamming jungle natalia since her buff recently, been from mythic 3 to mythic 1 so fast, but not always i pick her bcs she keeps getting banned
Roamer natalia was the best thing you could play though. Jungle natalia is simply not as good as other junglers. They are just destroying the hero at this point. Whats the point of invisibility if the enemy sees you as soon as you approach them.
@@stefanobesliu6458 Ye... And nat has so many counters.. Like Rafa Phoveus and Selena... Or just having a tanky line up It's gonna be hard to make natlia jungle work when all it takes is 1 skill shot while your invisible and your gonna be destroyed by the enemy. Natlia wasn't really made for objectives.. And they had to ruin her ult by turning it into a changed skill. I would've been fine with a damage nerf.. But they just ruined a hero Bye bye Natlia you were one of my favorite roamer in my hero pool You were a nice pick in solo q because you can't trust your allies to do good in their lane. Rip Natalia you will be missed
Dude I lost hope of natalia when moonton wanted to turn a (squishy, weak to cc). Hero *Natlia* into a jungler?!?!? who's dumb idea was that? And ult into a charged skill??? Moonton acts like natlia is a perfect hero and doesn't have any counters. Ohh wait Any support - Rafaela CC- Tanky line up. - Wind of nature- Immortality - Etc And now they nerfed a hero that they ruined themselves Congratulations moonton you ruined a favored hero by many players. I guess your gonna lose money cause you nerfed a "marketable" hero huh
@@shrmp5055 mm's dont even have the chance to use wind chant since one enhanced basic atk from her will make their hp go to 30% same applies for mages and she can also easily escape also counters most mm's some fighters and a bunch of assasins and she has 2 dashes also fast unlimited regen of invisibility tbh its not that hard just go in the bush and wait if someone comes near enough for the range just one shot them fr malding because he cant kill squishy heroes with one attack 🗿
@@penguin1757 That is all literally late game, which is exactly what she is a late game hero 💀 Her damage is underwhelming until mid game and all of the things he stated counters her easily
I got hit with this comment I've never had a collector and saved up for months so I was able to get this upcoming collector makes me feel like all my hard work was thrown off 💀
REST IN PEACE NATALIA.. ✌️ You were and always will be one of my favorite roamers. I can't tell you how many times I got tired of tanking for my Allies.. But you were my relief.. A roamer that can carry the game?? Ohh the way you 2 shot marksmans When we split push turrets like there was no tommorow My Hero pool will never be the same without you.. Good bye. you will forever be missed
Actually she' ll be worse than useless if they adjusts her like this, she wont two shot mm, shell die, she wont escape, she have much longer ult🤣😂maybe one of the developer have nataphobia
Natalia is basically dead then Her main point was invisibility Previously made her permanent visibility to detectable after 2s now it's .3s Even aamon has better invincibility than her
Yep Lesley can stay much longer invisible then Natalia and can spam it too. Basically every hero with invisible is now better than Natalia's. Now you just active the Natalia passive just to get movement speed nothing else can be done other than that.
Chou: um can I use my nunchaks? Natalia: "Why am I here just to suffer" Gusion: "Was i good? Lesley: "A sniper should treat her guns like swinging sticks"
As a tank main, i don't think natalia deserves any nerf because there are already some counter to natalia like rafaela skill 1, hylos skill 2, even aldous ult.
If they're gonna make natalia easy to detect then they should remove the warning sign when she is nearby since you can now see her if she gets close. Camouflage state of Lesley or Aamon are now better than invisibility if they ruined Natalia like this.
I agree.. i feel like this nerf on her invisibility is ruining her... Before she can even attack the enemies they will surely kill her first, it's not like the enemies can't escape her the way she is now
Honestly, I think for Julian, reducing his hp and ho growth would be more effective, as he can snowball way too easily. The increased cd of his skills is a good solution too, however his skills can already be countered by items
What about this Cooldown of normal skill is still 5 sec But add cooldown for enhanced skill like for 15 - 20 sec In that duration we still can use all normal skill
Right? She was already bad after her "revamp". Now she's just getting worse. She doesn't provide enough to a team compared to other heroes, she's already so easy to counter and outplay, they are ruining her.
As Natalia Main, Gusion is supposed to be nerf not natalia. This Goddamn update made me so sad!!!!!! You're right, Natalia is now easy to counter even nana can kill her easily.
Nah , She not even test the new embelm talent yet like seasoned hunter (can deal 20% DMG for lord and turtle) to steal buffs in early game or kill turtle and lord more faster than Helcurt . Dont jump conclusion before you think its really bad or not , just wait september and test new emblem talents what fits her
Can’t they keep Nat’s skills more simpler with proper invisibility? Just the old one with pink smoke (if anyone remembers) And for Aldous, I think they should adjust and lower his physical defense instead of hp, he is a late game fighter and I completely agrees with his damage but he gets too much tanky at the same time.
I mean aldous is pretty balanced to me, the reason is that if he dies 2-3 times in early game he won't have enough stacks to kill people, then the enemies get stronger and you lose the game
I agree with Natalia's old smoke effects.. That was the only thing kept her skins different from each other. Right now, almost all of her skins has the same skill effects.. especially on smoke.
Yeah just keep nerfing natalia and keep buffing the mm, seems right. I honestly hate it so much that if the enemy picks wanwan or moskov, its a guaranteed carry late game. And now natalia, the only one who'd have a chance against them is nerfed. I'm switching to pokemon unite for now, enough of this bs
Yeah I mean Nata was totally okay she has lots of counters and with this meta is not that common to see her being picked, now she's being turned into an old vexana.
Nat main here was planning to increase my matches to 2.5k I'm at 2k matches but after seeing this I just lost the urge to continue, goodluck to all Natalia hardcore players out there this nerf is just straight up bad hope moonton realize this.
Nata main here too. Remember back then when her invisibility won't even alert the enemy no matter how close you were XD. Easy jungle buff steals. Was still able to do that sometimes in Live server but with this nerf? Nahh Moontoon just spoiling the fun for us. If this goes on, Moontoon you just lost a player :)
Moontoon : rework natalia ult Also moontoon : massive nerf. Moontoon just ruined everything 😌 I don't mind if nata have many counter . But don't ruined her invisibility
Hoooly shit, the ability to change your talents in draft is such a good change. Like, the ability to build according to the team comp or the enemies' comp is such a nice improvement.
Moonton, just delete nata from the game if you gonna do her dirty like this, she won't be able to be a roamer, gold laner, even jungler now, as a nata main this nerf is making me furious
Yeah man I hate this update too, why target Natalia like that she already has many counters and it's not like she is the most overpowered . Just hate this
A better nerf for faramis 1st skill is: His 1st skill can't pull enemies through a wall while still keeping the distance range. It's weird to make his 1st skill so short while he is supposed to be a mage.
I think that's enough for Faramis. Perhaps giving him Tank build will keep you alive from engaging for first skill! I am satisfied for faramis right now. 🙂❣️
Short pulling and stun is quite a good thing for him, isn't that fair? Shortened the range of pulling effect and giving him 0.5 sec (I don't know exactly) stun! It's great!
ngl, I was really glad that Nata's play style is changed from roamer to jungle. It's so annoying to encounter a Nata with dire hit and execute, especially if you're a squishy mage or mm. However, this nerf is just not it. Nata as a jungler is pretty slow, so I expected Moonton to give Nata some buffs regarding her ability to jungle fast. But, they nerfed her so badly. It's so funny that one of the first heroes to be able to go invisible is now overshadowed (pun not intended) by other heroes. Like wtf, they don't need to nerf her passive that badly.
Even with the buff she received to deal more damage to creeps people still used her as a roamer is just Nata is not that good for being jungle. She's way better as a roamer this nerf's really unnecessary.
Every hero has its speciality and Natalia excelled in roaming. Moonton is killing the excitement and fun of this game which keeps players hooked by constantly nerfing and adjusting heroes.
It's nice to see chou having a recall animation but after all the nerfs he receive and after what they did with his skins with the revamp especially the muah thai I have 1238 match with him but I no longer use him and I havent played mobile legends that much anymore cause of how hard it is to use him now
ughh there's so many heroes that i want like the new hero joy and hanabi cause i recently heard that she's getting a revamp and i recently bought lesley cause she also have a revamp 😭😭
For Natalia , I think there's a revamp coming. We've seen something similar happen with Akai . He seemed to be nerfed hard but it ended with him becoming meta , so there's still hope for Natalia 🙃
Nah.. This is just a dumb move by moonton.. Nat already has so many hard counters. And I hate the fact that they changed natlias ult into a charged skill. It's so dumb But I guess she was getting really annoying.
@@shrmp5055 so does Fanny and she still remains a permaban, they went overboard with it but it doesn't mean Natalia isn't currently too good in meta, which she is
before, natalia's invinsibility is so long that you cant even see her in rank matches.. now its so fast that we'll be seeing her almost immediately in any matches 🤷
They should increase Aamon's durability amd survivability and add a feature which reduces his skills' cooldown (just like Karina's) since it means he has to approach and chase down enemies more frequently to maximize his passive.
At this point, camouflage skills are now better than Nat's invisibility. I mean with camouflage skills you can miss enemies if you don't pay much attention while Nat's new "not-so-invisible" skill with all the warning marks and short duration of invisibility, she's just basically revealing her location rather than actually hiding. This the 2nd time they used a revamp as an excuse to nerf her hard
@@zackzoom8779 she doesn't even need to be countered if this nerf becomes official cause she's most likely be just forgotten. Poor Natalia, guess this is her price to pay from bullying all those gold lanes 🗿
Julian's 10sec cd is a huge nerf IMO for his jungling capabilities. It's already a struggle for him to jungle during level 1-3 with the 7sec, what more if it's already 10sec? For sure he'll have a hard time clearing the camps especially without the help of the roamer.
@@primrdialbeastgaming9537 Use Concentrated Energy and Oracle and it's still hard for them to defeat you. Hell, since he has natura spell vamp, throw Bloodlust Axe on him too, along with some hard hitting magic items.
This is a huge deal for Natalia players, I love her play style as a stealth and fast assassin.....but now the stealth is like closing my eyes and saying yeah no one can see me and for ultimate cooldown I don't have words to describe...
I like the buff on Aamon, all buffs so far have been motivations for users to use his Basic attacks, which he shines in using when targetting enemies with your teammates.
I'm pretty sure the developer might've went against a nata player on a regular match and got wrecked really badly with taunts adding the final blow from the player hence taking the petty revenge on her.
Rip natalia. She will become forgotten again. Hoyoverse! Make the game experience of lefthanded players better. Make us able to exchange the position of the direction buttons and the skill buttons. Being a lefthanded, using a left thumb on skill button is 50 percent better than using right thumb. Make it happen montoon.
I hope they cancel the adjustment in Faramis of lower range in his first skill even though it will catch enemies automatically but still its lot better now .
It's hard to counter her, she can 1 hit combo mm and assassin even they have antique cuirass. Can't even use wind chant because of the silence. My Chou can't even fight back even with antique and immortality. But I think the nerf is too much.
@@Alex-zr7st I love using her to epic and half legend, but in mythic ranked I uncommonly use her now because of many people will surprisingly "think" to counter her. So it's a NO. You can counter her if you know how to do it.
They've literally killed everything that made Natalia a good hero. I'm speechless. Please fire whoever stands behind these changes and hire an actual pro player, because these tweaks are getting none other than ridiculous.
As a Natalia user when playing an assassin, this is so crap. Moonton always consider the pick in the Legend above ranks and wasn't considering the lower ranks when buffing and nerfing.
Chou idle animation should be the push up and one hand push and one finger push or perhaps no hands push up they should change the last pose of push up to a kick or to a jojo reference something that is chou like personality.
everyone talking about those hero while me waiting for my Carmilla revamp, i mean she almost winning on Reforce your Legend but suddenly Hanabi took the place
Hopefully natalia Nerf gets canceled that's just too much she gonna be useless and she can only jg and be effective now so with another nerf it's gonna be so hard
I'm a natalia main and I am not happy of this nerf. First they make it hard for natalia's SS to cast, Now they make it hard for natalia to ambush? Are they bullying my girl? It took one year for natalia to be noticed and this is the the attention they gave to her? Natalia's been invisible for to long and they overdid it so much that natalia is not natalia anymore
Clint is OP in gold lane , clint outranges almost all the marksmen with his passive and deals a crazy amount of Damage with his first skill so ,why hard nerf an mm like moskov ?
@@nutFLlX I'm in mythic 1 bruv... And cliint's hella strong , once you have endless and BOD / Malefic... He melts squishies ... And I'm a moskov main...when against clint he'll just chip your hp from afar and freeze the minions so you don't get any gold from it..
Natalia easy target for flameshot now. Becomes the masterbaiter without passive. Easy to pick off if you a mage since 1st skill needs to hit to get 2nd charge. There goes my main.
Aamon Survivability and Durability is definitely can be buff as for his ultimate make it more high risk high reward by making it deal a emotional damage but they can dodge the damage but they can still dodge the damage before afterall
The nerf on Natalia is a little too much, if they proceed with that nerf it would ruin the whole purpose of Natalia, she wouldn't be able to give vision properly anymore, she wouldn't be able to chase enemies anymore... If she gets visible too soon along with the silence nerf, she would easily get burst down by heroes like Eudora before she even has the chance to assassinate her.
Gusion also have walking effects just those updated collector has. Hoping that's not HARLEY'S new skin coz I'm looking forward that moonton will also make a revamp for him since his big sister got revamped.
Now with this new nerf on natalia,she will not stand a chance again any hero in late game,like for serously? her passive ?which was main source of her role as assasin ,well all i can say is that ''its been fun having time together with you natalia,i hope one day you will rise again in the land of dawn ,i will wait for that moment..so until then GOODBYE🤧🤧🤧".
I wish, Moonton make a squad reward for each hero squads like the "4saken Light" and "Oriental Fighters". There are countless heroes out there that have connections with each other too in their back stories.
I hate what they did to Johnson. They should just bring back where Johnson doesn't appear on the map once he casts his Ultimate. It's a big nerf where he can't do the double ultimate.
See this is what I meant on the previous video , moontod doesn't consider if they overnerf or overbuff , they just do it and hope for the best , I mean personally a balance moba would be once update every season , or at least each month But this ? This is too game changer I hope they cancel the change on nata or at least make a better mechanic where she can fully be assassin At this case Aamon is the better stealth base skill where at least he wont be obviously notice But if there really must apply this change at least make the "!" Mark away
Ikr, I really learned it in a hard way. Because one time when I spotted a MM pushing minions, I tried attacking her but I forget to look on the map that Eudora is missing. So I attacked the mm, but Eudora stunned and killed me. That made me realize that it was a bait 🗿.
What the *FUCK* did natalia even do to get such a massive nerf after a massive nerf after a massive nerf. Not many people even played her before. Hasnn't even gotten an epic skin for a hero released in season 2 as compared to a gussion released around the 12th season. Hell even miya had legend and epic skin. The fuck wrong with you moonton.
Theory 1 : Maybe one of moonton developer play layla. And nata user stuck up the claw at her ass and spam recall2. After that he was so depress and push a big nerf button.
Montoon purposely nerfed Natalia that bad too make us want to bring her to it's previous jungle revamp because many wants to bring her roam stackable ult..
Natalia recived big nerf hammer well i'm afraid it might end like for example terizla after his nerf hammer (i'm talking before necroocep season not lastest changes for those who don't know) And about Julian i personally think It's Perfect NERF like instead of making his DMG low (which would make him troll hero since In his entire combo only one skill deals DMG preety much since not enchanced skills don't do any DMG) they make his skills less spamable in really noticable way Now enemys will have higher chance at fighting him in early becouse he will not be able to spam his skills and use enchanced Basic attack as often also missing his skills is way more punishing Its good way of making him less broken without removing his burst potential entirly I mean preety often you need to cast entire combo 2 times to kill someone so now it will be harder
No one needs a nerf if people knew how to play properly instead of crying. Natalia was easy to counter if you stun her and kill her and watch the map. Lol ppl just suck man. I’m using carmilla to roam
hey elgin do you think you could do a video on floryn There's a big with her first skill 1where if the enemy minion/hero dies before the skill hits then it just disappears no heals and cd doesn't reset
Just bring back the old Natalia if they're gonna do her like this, even for a MM/Mage main like me aka a Natalia hater thinks this is so dirty for her
I think they should bring back prime Natalia, but nerf her 2nd skill by making it chance based to immune basic attacks
@@zackzoom8779 no, her immunity on basic attacks is her special skill
Rest in peace natlia
They're nerfing her because they're nerfing Beatrix, they're afraid Beatrix might become food for her.
@@its_ed beatrix Isn't the only mm in the game. And also beatrix nerf Isn't that massive like natalia's. Bea will be still usable
I think in my observation that moonton wanted to nerf natalia so bad is because majority of the players still use her as a roamer than a jungler. It’s really rare to see jungler Natalia recently since her new buff (more dmg to creeps)
i have been spamming jungle natalia since her buff recently, been from mythic 3 to mythic 1 so fast, but not always i pick her bcs she keeps getting banned
Because she is a terrible jungler
Roamer natalia was the best thing you could play though. Jungle natalia is simply not as good as other junglers. They are just destroying the hero at this point. Whats the point of invisibility if the enemy sees you as soon as you approach them.
@@stefanobesliu6458 Ye... And nat has so many counters.. Like Rafa Phoveus and Selena... Or just having a tanky line up
It's gonna be hard to make natlia jungle work when all it takes is 1 skill shot while your invisible and your gonna be destroyed by the enemy.
Natlia wasn't really made for objectives..
And they had to ruin her ult by turning it into a changed skill.
I would've been fine with a damage nerf.. But they just ruined a hero
Bye bye Natlia you were one of my favorite roamer in my hero pool
You were a nice pick in solo q because you can't trust your allies to do good in their lane.
Rip Natalia you will be missed
@@shrmp5055 I stopped using her the moment they changed her ult
1:28 I'm a natalia hater but that change is too much bro
Press F to pay respect for nata mains😭
Dude I lost hope of natalia when moonton wanted to turn a (squishy, weak to cc). Hero *Natlia* into a jungler?!?!? who's dumb idea was that?
And ult into a charged skill???
Moonton acts like natlia is a perfect hero and doesn't have any counters.
Ohh wait
Any support - Rafaela
CC-
Tanky line up. -
Wind of nature-
Immortality -
Etc
And now they nerfed a hero that they ruined themselves
Congratulations moonton you ruined a favored hero by many players.
I guess your gonna lose money cause you nerfed a "marketable" hero huh
@@shrmp5055 mm's dont even have the chance to use wind chant since one enhanced basic atk from her will make their hp go to 30% same applies for mages and she can also easily escape also counters most mm's some fighters and a bunch of assasins and she has 2 dashes also fast unlimited regen of invisibility tbh its not that hard just go in the bush and wait if someone comes near enough for the range just one shot them fr malding because he cant kill squishy heroes with one attack 🗿
@@penguin1757 That is all literally late game, which is exactly what she is a late game hero 💀
Her damage is underwhelming until mid game and all of the things he stated counters her easily
9.8k mtch.71 win rate....🤧
@@leisangthemyakaiba2199 Cap
*After Nerfing Natalia 69 times this year*
Moonton: So we'll be releasing a Natalia Collector's Skin.
Wish they remove the Nerf then release the skin even non players will try to get that then
Well fuck montoon
I got hit with this comment I've never had a collector and saved up for months so I was able to get this upcoming collector makes me feel like all my hard work was thrown off 💀
And then they wonder why the skin wont sell well. Moonton logic.
REST IN PEACE NATALIA.. ✌️
You were and always will be one of my favorite roamers.
I can't tell you how many times I got tired of tanking for my Allies..
But you were my relief.. A roamer that can carry the game??
Ohh the way you 2 shot marksmans
When we split push turrets like there was no tommorow
My Hero pool will never be the same without you..
Good bye. you will forever be missed
🥹 i feel you
Actually she' ll be worse than useless if they adjusts her like this, she wont two shot mm, shell die, she wont escape, she have much longer ult🤣😂maybe one of the developer have nataphobia
😭😭😭Man I know how u feel .... I love Natalia she was my first purchase and recently I got her skin after playing for so long and now this ...
😭😭She my main. I feel you bruuuhh and that's how I'm feeling. Moonton got shitty nerfs and buffs. Better delete Mlbb
Same RIP My Natalia 😭😭😭😭😭
Natalia is basically dead then
Her main point was invisibility
Previously made her permanent visibility to detectable after 2s now it's .3s
Even aamon has better invincibility than her
Yep Lesley can stay much longer invisible then Natalia and can spam it too. Basically every hero with invisible is now better than Natalia's. Now you just active the Natalia passive just to get movement speed nothing else can be done other than that.
I mean, what's the point of invisibility when she can be seen while she approaches towards enemy? So baseless.
her name is not natalia its Natalie hhahaha wft moonntoon.
@@mellifluous695 her invisibility just became a useless conceal
@@mellifluous695 FOR REAL..Moontoon 👎👎👎
Chou recalling on a dead body def makes him more sus now + toxic (with the recall and emote ofc)
thx for the idea daddy
Heheh...
Chou be tea bagging the dead bodies-
Thx for the idea ma boy 😏
*GASP*
*Oh* *My* *God*
riip
If montoon wants to keep nerfing Natalia, then I think they should just remove her from the game....I feel pity for Natalia and her mains.. 😭
frfr i have zero matches with her but what moonton is doing to her is so dirty and unnecessary like WHY💀
@@KYSNYAN yeah.... 😭
Anyone who uses natalia and saber should consider deleting ml
@@E_E69 why? because you think they’re braindead heroes? (i agree with saber) but you don’t get to say this when you’re most likely a mm user💀
Wow are we just gonna ignore Nana??? Like they doing her dirty too!!!
Chou: um can I use my nunchaks?
Natalia: "Why am I here just to suffer"
Gusion: "Was i good?
Lesley: "A sniper should treat her guns like swinging sticks"
If Natalia's massive nerf will proceed, then she will be out of the meta for good. TBH, Moonton sucks at giving nerfs and buffs.
no she will be out of the game for good LOL
bitch will be a forgotten hero
I'm a nata main,and after seeing this,i just gave up on her 😂
Yep, even though I hate natalia (since im a mm main) this nerf is so bad and makes her kinda useless
As a tank main, i don't think natalia deserves any nerf because there are already some counter to natalia like rafaela skill 1, hylos skill 2, even aldous ult.
If they're gonna make natalia easy to detect then they should remove the warning sign when she is nearby since you can now see her if she gets close. Camouflage state of Lesley or Aamon are now better than invisibility if they ruined Natalia like this.
Exactly
agreed i also just started liking n using her
I agree.. i feel like this nerf on her invisibility is ruining her... Before she can even attack the enemies they will surely kill her first, it's not like the enemies can't escape her the way she is now
Honestly, I think for Julian, reducing his hp and ho growth would be more effective, as he can snowball way too easily. The increased cd of his skills is a good solution too, however his skills can already be countered by items
It's fine when the new glowing wand comes
This 10sec CD is a joke
I hope they don't nerf Julians CD again because he can't do anything without his skills
What about this
Cooldown of normal skill is still 5 sec
But add cooldown for enhanced skill like for 15 - 20 sec
In that duration we still can use all normal skill
Julian main cope 💀
That Lesley transition tho 💀😭 got me good
Same
Same lol
Yeah 0:52🤣
😭😭
Damn the nerf on Natalia gonna hit her sooo hard like its almost like the devs wanna remove her from the game.
Right? She was already bad after her "revamp". Now she's just getting worse. She doesn't provide enough to a team compared to other heroes, she's already so easy to counter and outplay, they are ruining her.
I agree so much. I am nata main and this is not close to fair for her :(((
As Natalia Main, Gusion is supposed to be nerf not natalia. This Goddamn update made me so sad!!!!!! You're right, Natalia is now easy to counter even nana can kill her easily.
Nah , She not even test the new embelm talent yet like seasoned hunter (can deal 20% DMG for lord and turtle) to steal buffs in early game or kill turtle and lord more faster than Helcurt . Dont jump conclusion before you think its really bad or not , just wait september and test new emblem talents what fits her
I remember when she had 2 second silence
They might as well remove natalia from the game lmao they remove her invisibility, silence and burst. Now she's a walking layla with zero range.
They should bring back prime Natalia without silence. Because at this point moonton's just at lost on how to balance her
Can’t they keep Nat’s skills more simpler with proper invisibility? Just the old one with pink smoke (if anyone remembers)
And for Aldous, I think they should adjust and lower his physical defense instead of hp, he is a late game fighter and I completely agrees with his damage but he gets too much tanky at the same time.
I mean aldous is pretty balanced to me, the reason is that if he dies 2-3 times in early game he won't have enough stacks to kill people, then the enemies get stronger and you lose the game
I remember old Natalia wish that invisibility was still applicable
The 2nd skill pink smoke right yeah good old days
I agree with Natalia's old smoke effects.. That was the only thing kept her skins different from each other. Right now, almost all of her skins has the same skill effects.. especially on smoke.
@@qiangwang8672 just tell your mage/mid ally to stop killing the minions so you can get 100 stacks under 3 min
Yeah just keep nerfing natalia and keep buffing the mm, seems right. I honestly hate it so much that if the enemy picks wanwan or moskov, its a guaranteed carry late game. And now natalia, the only one who'd have a chance against them is nerfed. I'm switching to pokemon unite for now, enough of this bs
Natalia nerf: the ult charge is now only 1
Play wild rift
Yeah I mean Nata was totally okay she has lots of counters and with this meta is not that common to see her being picked, now she's being turned into an old vexana.
Nat main here was planning to increase my matches to 2.5k I'm at 2k matches but after seeing this I just lost the urge to continue, goodluck to all Natalia hardcore players out there this nerf is just straight up bad hope moonton realize this.
I agree so much. I am nata main and this is not close to fair for her :(((
Just play and learn other roamers. I'm a Natalie main, but hate facing her when im against
@@Adroit_-.- lmao exactly. Being a nata main I enjoy hunting down my foods(mm/mage) but likewise.
Nata main here too. Remember back then when her invisibility won't even alert the enemy no matter how close you were XD. Easy jungle buff steals. Was still able to do that sometimes in Live server but with this nerf? Nahh Moontoon just spoiling the fun for us. If this goes on, Moontoon you just lost a player :)
Dont worry man omg why everyone so worried its on test, they will cancle it chill dont worry
Moontoon : rework natalia ult
Also moontoon : massive nerf.
Moontoon just ruined everything 😌
I don't mind if nata have many counter . But don't ruined her invisibility
Yeah man that's the main point...it was her unique signature... Why mess it up.
it's basically her Skill too that's why she was build for this but mooton hayzz ruined her
Hoooly shit, the ability to change your talents in draft is such a good change. Like, the ability to build according to the team comp or the enemies' comp is such a nice improvement.
I'm trying to be excited about the new talent system...
But I just can't get over the natalia Nerf..
Same goes to the enemy😉theyll adjust it according to your team composition too, so nothing so fun
lol players will be crying after they see this adjust
@@AngeloDutullo Did LoL have this feature just askin?
@@justaperson7209 yep, and they claim it as only their's haha
Moonton, just delete nata from the game if you gonna do her dirty like this, she won't be able to be a roamer, gold laner, even jungler now, as a nata main this nerf is making me furious
Yeah man I hate this update too, why target Natalia like that she already has many counters and it's not like she is the most overpowered . Just hate this
I was waiting for a Natalie buff my whole life and there you go!
A better nerf for faramis 1st skill is:
His 1st skill can't pull enemies through a wall while still keeping the distance range.
It's weird to make his 1st skill so short while he is supposed to be a mage.
The devs are crazy
He's more of a support than a mage to be fair. Faramis is all about positioning.
I think that's enough for Faramis. Perhaps giving him Tank build will keep you alive from engaging for first skill! I am satisfied for faramis right now. 🙂❣️
Short pulling and stun is quite a good thing for him, isn't that fair? Shortened the range of pulling effect and giving him 0.5 sec (I don't know exactly) stun! It's great!
@@ineedcoffeefufu you forget enemy can only do one dash to escape and the cooldown of First skill is too long
ngl, I was really glad that Nata's play style is changed from roamer to jungle. It's so annoying to encounter a Nata with dire hit and execute, especially if you're a squishy mage or mm. However, this nerf is just not it. Nata as a jungler is pretty slow, so I expected Moonton to give Nata some buffs regarding her ability to jungle fast. But, they nerfed her so badly. It's so funny that one of the first heroes to be able to go invisible is now overshadowed (pun not intended) by other heroes. Like wtf, they don't need to nerf her passive that badly.
Even with the buff she received to deal more damage to creeps people still used her as a roamer is just Nata is not that good for being jungle. She's way better as a roamer this nerf's really unnecessary.
Every hero has its speciality and Natalia excelled in roaming. Moonton is killing the excitement and fun of this game which keeps players hooked by constantly nerfing and adjusting heroes.
fr
Then they make a hero that's blatantly OP so that they can get money from skins then nerf the heck out of that hero
@@Gazuretine true 😭
@@Gazuretine just look at fanny moonton buff fanny last season because of her aspirant skin and NERF because the skin event has ended
It's nice to see chou having a recall animation but after all the nerfs he receive and after what they did with his skins with the revamp especially the muah thai I have 1238 match with him but I no longer use him and I havent played mobile legends that much anymore cause of how hard it is to use him now
Dude wdym by how hard to use he's actually quite easy to use though 😭 and he's so broken
Chou tank is good now
@@infamousjockey3868 you don’t know what “broken” means😭
@@meitei8201 ..ever since his release actually.
@@KYSNYAN no I meant by broken as in not balanced
I have always hated Natalia with a burning passion even before her revamp but that's just too much.
It is..
Nata was very easy to counter too
Thank you for supporting Natalia
Holy crap, the 2 finger Bruce Lee push-up, I’m so glad they added it in.
Elgin: Do you like the new recall?
Chou Freestylers: Hehe boy
Me: I can smell that Chou will get a Collector Skin soon
ughh there's so many heroes that i want like the new hero joy and hanabi cause i recently heard that she's getting a revamp and i recently bought lesley cause she also have a revamp 😭😭
For Natalia , I think there's a revamp coming. We've seen something similar happen with Akai . He seemed to be nerfed hard but it ended with him becoming meta , so there's still hope for Natalia 🙃
Natalia is currently meta, tho
@@fireemblem5340 he's right
@@fireemblem5340 meta how? She sucks
Nah.. This is just a dumb move by moonton..
Nat already has so many hard counters.
And I hate the fact that they changed natlias ult into a charged skill.
It's so dumb
But I guess she was getting really annoying.
@@shrmp5055 so does Fanny and she still remains a permaban, they went overboard with it but it doesn't mean Natalia isn't currently too good in meta, which she is
Bro, the fact that you would be able to customize your talents while waiting in Draft Pick is actually a game changer in my opinion.
Isn't that always a thing? Not on rank mode but I think I saw one from a tourney or something
Moonton really said :
"if you're not playing jungle Natalia, then you're not gonna be playing her at all"
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Might as well remove Nat’s invisibility. 🤣 Even remove her from the game Moontoon. 🤣
The Natalia nerf reminds me of the helcurt nerf that removed the silence effect from his teleport, kinda ruining his ability as a mage killer
before, natalia's invinsibility is so long that you cant even see her in rank matches.. now its so fast that we'll be seeing her almost immediately in any matches 🤷
lmao so true 😂
You mean her invisibility is so poor you won't see her at all cause she's garbage now
Lol i miss the old nat, and invi has no duration but if you stay out of bush too long u lose it
@@luquiten ye and that useless ult that barely dealt any damage.
Nah, we won't see her anytime on ranked games after this nerf, if you know what I mean
They should increase Aamon's durability amd survivability and add a feature which reduces his skills' cooldown (just like Karina's) since it means he has to approach and chase down enemies more frequently to maximize his passive.
read his passive
@@delusionofillusion473 he probably mean more stronger cooldown reduction per basic and skill
At this point, camouflage skills are now better than Nat's invisibility. I mean with camouflage skills you can miss enemies if you don't pay much attention while Nat's new "not-so-invisible" skill with all the warning marks and short duration of invisibility, she's just basically revealing her location rather than actually hiding.
This the 2nd time they used a revamp as an excuse to nerf her hard
She's going to be countered hard when glowing wand buff arrives. Since glowing wand disables her invisibility
@@zackzoom8779 she doesn't even need to be countered if this nerf becomes official cause she's most likely be just forgotten. Poor Natalia, guess this is her price to pay from bullying all those gold lanes 🗿
Julian's 10sec cd is a huge nerf IMO for his jungling capabilities. It's already a struggle for him to jungle during level 1-3 with the 7sec, what more if it's already 10sec? For sure he'll have a hard time clearing the camps especially without the help of the roamer.
The nerf on julian is a bit overkill,
I'm not saying julian is balance, I'm just saying moonton needs to nerf his damage not his cd.
They should bring back his lifesteal I thing so that he can survive after doing combo
@@primrdialbeastgaming9537 Use Concentrated Energy and Oracle and it's still hard for them to defeat you. Hell, since he has natura spell vamp, throw Bloodlust Axe on him too, along with some hard hitting magic items.
@@JinTakahashiTensai when the new talent comes out,I will try using battle frenzy and bloodlust on julian
This is a huge deal for Natalia players, I love her play style as a stealth and fast assassin.....but now the stealth is like closing my eyes and saying yeah no one can see me and for ultimate cooldown I don't have words to describe...
As Natalia Main, i am so sad to know about this update. 🥺
Moonton: Nerfed chou to limit his ult distance.
Me: How we can do freestyle's?
Moonton: Here's chou animation recall.
I like the buff on Aamon, all buffs so far have been motivations for users to use his Basic attacks, which he shines in using when targetting enemies with your teammates.
Yes I recently got a Savage with him using a build based on basic attacks
I'm pretty sure the developer might've went against a nata player on a regular match and got wrecked really badly with taunts adding the final blow from the player hence taking the petty revenge on her.
Rip natalia. She will become forgotten again. Hoyoverse! Make the game experience of lefthanded players better. Make us able to exchange the position of the direction buttons and the skill buttons. Being a lefthanded, using a left thumb on skill button is 50 percent better than using right thumb. Make it happen montoon.
just today i was thinking about left hand right hand issue
moon toon should bring in the necessary changes
If gusion throws his dagger at the base looking like Minato that's kinda cool
the Natalia nerf is ridiculous the invisibility is just gonna be a speed up if this goes on
I hope they cancel the adjustment in Faramis of lower range in his first skill even though it will catch enemies automatically but still its lot better now .
Natalia is already fairly used/countered, the nerf is kind of unneeded.💀
It's hard to counter her, she can 1 hit combo mm and assassin even they have antique cuirass. Can't even use wind chant because of the silence. My Chou can't even fight back even with antique and immortality. But I think the nerf is too much.
@@Alex-zr7st just use rafaela, diggie, hylos.
@@Alex-zr7st I love using her to epic and half legend, but in mythic ranked I uncommonly use her now because of many people will surprisingly "think" to counter her. So it's a NO. You can counter her if you know how to do it.
@@Alex-zr7st you on epic rank
@@Alex-zr7st Pffftt there's a lot of heroes that can counter her.
Just reduce Julian’s durability. Leave his CD alone. He becomes useless with this excessively high CD.
its only early game its still 7 seconds at late game i kinda agree and not with the cd since he relies on enchance skills
@@Jasuya Even one second in ML is too long. It’s a matter of life and death.
They should revert the last damage nerf on julian since they nerf his CD 😒
They've literally killed everything that made Natalia a good hero. I'm speechless. Please fire whoever stands behind these changes and hire an actual pro player, because these tweaks are getting none other than ridiculous.
Moonton never fails to disappoint ❤️
xD the heart emoji looks hilarious ❤
As a Natalia user when playing an assassin, this is so crap. Moonton always consider the pick in the Legend above ranks and wasn't considering the lower ranks when buffing and nerfing.
natalia already balanced enough if the enemies last long enough for late game she becomes useless idk why the heavy nerf really
I quit dude moonton ruined my favorite hero...
Chou idle animation should be the push up and one hand push and one finger push or perhaps no hands push up they should change the last pose of push up to a kick or to a jojo reference something that is chou like personality.
First they change Natalia's ulti now they nerf her invisibility and her silent they literally nerf her to he ground Great Developers 🤩
0:51 ok , that's it ! Elgin has reached peak comedy ! X'D
Just bring back the Old Natalia!! Bring back her old ultimate, red smoke Bomb, and her 2 seconds silence effect
everyone talking about those hero while me waiting for my Carmilla revamp, i mean she almost winning on Reforce your Legend but suddenly Hanabi took the place
Hopefully natalia Nerf gets canceled that's just too much she gonna be useless and she can only jg and be effective now so with another nerf it's gonna be so hard
Too be honesty just turn it back into the old natlia..
I would've been perfectly fine with a damage nerf or lower slow..
Return that 4 mark requirement for Wanwan. 3 marks plus inspire buff are too much.
agreeable.
Natalia: *got nerfed last update
Moonton: *BUT WAIT! THERE'S MORE!*
I think moonton just hates natlia
Jungle natlia is stupid that shi doesn't work..
Moonton wants Roaming natalia to just die.
I think the only option rn is to go sidelane natlia.
*They nerf natalia hard*
Ohh wait Valentina got nerfed?
Ohh good what nerf did she receive?
(Her terror duration is 0.1 sec shorter)
I'm a natalia main and I am not happy of this nerf. First they make it hard for natalia's SS to cast, Now they make it hard for natalia to ambush?
Are they bullying my girl? It took one year for natalia to be noticed and this is the the attention they gave to her?
Natalia's been invisible for to long and they overdid it so much that natalia is not natalia anymore
Chou players will love spamming that recall animation while doing ultimate 😏
I dont know if moonton wants to balance the heroes or just straight up make everyone overpowered
The second option is the best, if everyone are overpowered then no one is
Clint is OP in gold lane , clint outranges almost all the marksmen with his passive and deals a crazy amount of Damage with his first skill so ,why hard nerf an mm like moskov ?
clint is not op wtf 💀 y'all just be saying anything...
@@asdzxcx3686 In right hands it is down right OP bruv , tf you on about?
@@enriquejoygomes In lower rank matches yes, he's not as good as moskov anywhere in high rank
@@nutFLlX I'm in mythic 1 bruv... And cliint's hella strong , once you have endless and BOD / Malefic... He melts squishies ... And I'm a moskov main...when against clint he'll just chip your hp from afar and freeze the minions so you don't get any gold from it..
And about moskov in higher rank , he's almost considered troll in 5queue/Glory ... 😂
I'm just sad and surprised that Julian is getting another nerf. Like give the guy a break already, he's gotten 3 nerfs in a row.
New glowing wand will glow him up
MM with knockback skill mains after hearing Natalia nerf : NOICE 👌
Natalia easy target for flameshot now. Becomes the masterbaiter without passive. Easy to pick off if you a mage since 1st skill needs to hit to get 2nd charge. There goes my main.
Aamon Survivability and Durability is definitely can be buff as for his ultimate make it more high risk high reward by making it deal a emotional damage but they can dodge the damage but they can still dodge the damage before afterall
5:00 Joy’s bgm sounds like those in game shows 😭
Chou push up during recall got me as this one my fav. Exercise I do always👌👌💪💪....wow!!!!
If these nerfs push through, I might finally be able to use Hanzo against Natalia. Omg this is big
The nerf on Natalia is a little too much, if they proceed with that nerf it would ruin the whole purpose of Natalia, she wouldn't be able to give vision properly anymore, she wouldn't be able to chase enemies anymore... If she gets visible too soon along with the silence nerf, she would easily get burst down by heroes like Eudora before she even has the chance to assassinate her.
Gusion also have walking effects just those updated collector has. Hoping that's not HARLEY'S new skin coz I'm looking forward that moonton will also make a revamp for him since his big sister got revamped.
Now with this new nerf on natalia,she will not stand a chance again any hero in late game,like for serously? her passive ?which was main source of her role as assasin ,well all i can say is that ''its been fun having time together with you natalia,i hope one day you will rise again in the land of dawn ,i will wait for that moment..so until then GOODBYE🤧🤧🤧".
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I wish, Moonton make a squad reward for each hero squads like the "4saken Light" and "Oriental Fighters".
There are countless heroes out there that have connections with each other too in their back stories.
I hate what they did to Johnson. They should just bring back where Johnson doesn't appear on the map once he casts his Ultimate. It's a big nerf where he can't do the double ultimate.
See this is what I meant on the previous video , moontod doesn't consider if they overnerf or overbuff , they just do it and hope for the best , I mean personally a balance moba would be once update every season , or at least each month
But this ? This is too game changer
I hope they cancel the change on nata or at least make a better mechanic where she can fully be assassin
At this case Aamon is the better stealth base skill where at least he wont be obviously notice
But if there really must apply this change at least make the "!" Mark away
Julian will be less effective in jungle given his main source of damage which is his skill has increased the cooldown.
Poor Natalia, imagine there is a Eudora in opponent side. Surely, Eudora will 123 combo her.
Ikr, I really learned it in a hard way. Because one time when I spotted a MM pushing minions, I tried attacking her but I forget to look on the map that Eudora is missing. So I attacked the mm, but Eudora stunned and killed me. That made me realize that it was a bait 🗿.
What the *FUCK* did natalia even do to get such a massive nerf after a massive nerf after a massive nerf.
Not many people even played her before. Hasnn't even gotten an epic skin for a hero released in season 2 as compared to a gussion released around the 12th season. Hell even miya had legend and epic skin.
The fuck wrong with you moonton.
I think Gusion looks like his legend skin animation without going to the sky up
Theory 1 : Maybe one of moonton developer play layla. And nata user stuck up the claw at her ass and spam recall2. After that he was so depress and push a big nerf button.
Thats what i think too lmao. The developers most probably plays and tests only using mms
Feels like the devs are just throwing balancing ideas at the cutting room floor. What ya'll doing to my Nat?! 😭
Old natalia: Unli invisibility
New Natalia: 0.3 secs
I mean WTF
Whats the point of Nata’s invisibility if it only takes 0.3 seconds to detect her? It’s basically just an inferior version of Lesley’s 1st skill now
The new hero Joy when she using her skill is make a sound like a Christmas sound.
I think there's a adjustment also on Beatrix ult when she's on sniper right? You cannot spam her ult anymore, coz there is a cooldown now for using it
I’m gonna start playing Chou as a main fighter hero from now on.
The recall animation of Lesley looks like the ad in Mobile legends
Montoon purposely nerfed Natalia that bad too make us want to bring her to it's previous jungle revamp because many wants to bring her roam stackable ult..
Natalia recived big nerf hammer well i'm afraid it might end like for example terizla after his nerf hammer (i'm talking before necroocep season not lastest changes for those who don't know)
And about Julian i personally think It's Perfect NERF like instead of making his DMG low (which would make him troll hero since In his entire combo only one skill deals DMG preety much since not enchanced skills don't do any DMG) they make his skills less spamable in really noticable way
Now enemys will have higher chance at fighting him in early becouse he will not be able to spam his skills and use enchanced Basic attack as often also missing his skills is way more punishing
Its good way of making him less broken without removing his burst potential entirly
I mean preety often you need to cast entire combo 2 times to kill someone so now it will be harder
Natalia be like:Whats the point of me being invisible??
No one needs a nerf if people knew how to play properly instead of crying. Natalia was easy to counter if you stun her and kill her and watch the map. Lol ppl just suck man. I’m using carmilla to roam
hey elgin do you think you could do a video on floryn There's a big with her first skill 1where if the enemy minion/hero dies before the skill hits then it just disappears no heals and cd doesn't reset
Still waiting for elgin doing a video about the new talent system.
Come on man! I was looking 2years for a new main
And found natalia and now she getting such a dirty nerf
Main helcurt, he gives the same feel