Why Every Country Ends up Capitalist
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Capitalism is the system that has helped the world become infinitely more wealthy than it has ever been in human history, but there are problems. A disregard for the drawbacks of production like waste, pollution and inequality are often cited by people who want capitalism to be replaced by social democracy, communism or even anarchy. But even communist countries like the USSR and China have reluctantly returned to capitalism. So, is capitalism inevitable?
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Just an amazing video man you have out done yourself here. Your perspective needs to be heard.
"""China is Capitalist "" 😂😂😂
Communism in China provides more incentive to improve your education
but much more than that it actually gives you the means to do it without coming out with a huge debt
12:40 LIES and false conceptions about the meritocracy that doesn't really exist under capitalism
" free market seems like an improvement"
go get your jab loser or you're going to be unemployeded
>"Land can't be created"
*Laughs in Dutch*
I get the joke, but in economics land includes water and air and ground rights. The question of who "owns" or at least has use of oceans and seas is a very contentious one right now.
"They say they tore a mountain down to bring in a couple more, more cars and people on the land."
John Denver in Rocky Mountain High
Rising Sea Level awaiting...
Hmm....I've never heard laughing in Dutch. Does it sound like a chest infection?
@@wonderwhyiwonder3458 "We must escape to the only place not corrupted by capitalism, spaaace!"
There’s a trope that goes “It’s easier to imagine the end of the world than to imagine the end of capitalism”
Which is weird because we never seen the end of the world yet have seen captialism die multiple times. What's weirder isn't his historical failure but the fact they keep bringing back captialism. Of course, for 2000 years monarchy failed only to be brought back.
@@gabdewulf You've never observed the death of a capitalist market based system simply because you have to prevent people from exchanging goods and services. You can have an economic crisis which corrects a major flaw in an industry (usually caused by government policies that go against market dynamics), but no matter how catastrophic, the system always reverts to a stable state in the form of market capitalism simply because of the behavior of the participants.
That's a logic flaw.
You have never seen a distant solar system, yet know they exist because of science.
We've capitalism die many deaths in history.
For example capitalism is kinda the deafult economic system in sci-fi interstellar empires (of course feudalism and socialism are also easy to find)
@@indrickboreale7381Star Trek is literally post-scarcity space communism.
People tend to forget pollution was a big issue even in non capitalist nations.
It's a byproduct of industrialization, no matter the economic system in place.
Problem is pollution creates a conflict of interests, where the capitalists have an interest in increasing profits despite the pollution while the vast majority of the population have the opposite interest. The problem with capitalism is it tends to value the interest of the capitalist rather than the vast majority of the population.
True
@@ianmwangi2105 Why do you think the majority of the population are interested in scarifying their standard of living for reduced pollution? Have you seen any polls?
@@ianmwangi2105the same goes under socialism; the vast majority of people are incentivized to attend to their immediate needs (or "rights") rather than worry about the environmental consequences left to their hypothetical children, which is how environmental failures such as the disappearance of the Sea of Aral came to be.
Worse, since there's no incentive to improve the technological capital used in either efficiency or environmental friendliness as long as the production quotas are met (since both land and resources are subject to the tragedy of the commons), it's much more likely to happen under socialism than it is under capitalism, where the land owner has an incentive to preserve its value.
@ianmwangi2105 this is not true. Look at how much worse pollution are under socialist economies. You arenforgetting that people are selfish by nature, and almost everyone will seek to enrich him/herself at the expense of others. This is the "tragedy of the commons", and why socialism is so inefficient, and so much more polluting.
Putting incentives at right place can do wonders
are you willing to talk honestly about the incentives surrounding homelessness? making an example of people and other heinous manipulation of incentive can make nightmares real. just get ahead and you will only see it from afar.
@@Boardwoards He's just a bot
Pointed sticks of the masses pointing at the power-off gated communities. Are they waiting for such an incentive?
Capitalism only has the profit motive. War profit, exploitation of workers, consumers and the environment. The total corruption of the goverment.
My mother’s love… must have been some dolla-dolla-bill pay-out. I’m waiting patiently for all those sleepless nights with my sick child to pay off.. cha-ching!
I'd like to see that video about Georgism.
Me too
Gerogism revolution
Sounds like something I can get behind.
Yeah, georgism sounds kinda hype honestly
Distributism too.
People tend to oversimplify complex issues to the confrontation between socialism and capitalism
Ikr, it’s not “pure capitalism wins”, it’s been mixed markets under a decently fair government wins. Just like capitalism will exist from the highest to lowest levels of any society, all developed societies through history have developed governments.
My favorite argument from socialists is that they describe "crony capitalism" as "capitalism" when the reality is that crony capitalism is actually an argument against more state involvement in the economy.
What confrontation? Socialism can't exist without capitalism
It’s also not some binary black or white, zero sum game. There are things that one system can and should learn from the other. After all, the fundamental principle of Capitalism is reaching equilibrium.
The 0.1% gathering and hoarding all the wealth, for example, goes against the very concept of capitalism.
@@HAL-9000x Where are you getting the idea from that the goal of capitalism is equilibrium?
Thank you for mentioning Georgism. When I describe my economic views people often call me a Marxist, and when I explain, "No, I follow Georgism" they look at me as if I invented a new word off the top of my head. Somehow Henry George has been almost completely forgotten.
I wonder why :D
Please make a full video on Georgism!
I don't know much about Georgism.I would like to know more about it.
@@Nylon_riot The youtuber BritMonkey made a good video going into depth about its tenets and benefits called "The Power of Land: Georgism 101"
I lean strongly towards Libertarianism but been pushing for a variation of government based mainly on taxes from land usage. Despite talking to hundreds of people about it and watching thousands of videos on economics and politics, not one has mentioned "Georgism".
Anyway, glad I finally heard of it (even if my idea isn't original anymore). I will be checking it out.
@@JaimeWarlock if you think that LVT tax is good, you are not libertarian , you are geolibertarian(not judging btw, just explaining terms)
Exactly. I am geolib. Learn this wat from Fred Foldvary@@user-no4fq3dt7d
Human rights can (and will!) erode under any economic system if the power dynamics go wrong. My biggest third concern is not so much the erosion of 'hard' human rights like freedom from unnecessary cruelty, freedom of movement, the right to privacy or the right to informed choice, but more the erosion of the human experience in general. While prosperity has technically continued to increase, some really questionable lifestyle consequences have emerged from commodifying people's attention and every last second of their time in general.
Can you list some of those consequences
The unintuitive reality is that economic models have nearly zero effect on citizen prosperity.
The only real factor in citizen prosperity is the quality of representation the citizens have in government.
A benevolent government with Democratically elected representatives regulating industry will have growing citizen prosperity.
An elitist dictatorship government will have failing citizen prosperity. (Side note: even if the dictatorship has a preferred demographic of citizens, even that demographic will experience falling prosperity and oppression, just not as quick as the others. Sorry bigots, you still lose even if your dictator gets in power)
A nation with a failing corrupted democracy will be experiencing a fall in citizen prosperity.
It does not matter if a nation is labeling itself and pretending to be capitalist or communist or socialist, the citizen prosperity is still tied to the quality of representation that is regulating the system and to who's benefit the regulations lean.
The only path to citizen prosperity is for the citizens to be actively involved in democracy (voting and lobby at a minimum) choosing their representatives and telling their representatives how they want to be represented.
@@elvoandro7087 If you need a list, then you aren't aware of our modern world problems
@@elvoandro7087 Destruction of third places, rarity of meaningful human contact and the loneliness epidemic, social-media addiction, mental health issues stemming from 'overinformation', ideological radicalization, reduction in the quality of parenting and education, and it may also be contributing to population collapse tbh. Probably survivable, but certainly not ideal and in an absolute worst-case scenario could be society-ending.
@@5353Jumper Capitalism already is a "real time" representation of your own needs and desires.
If citizens are actually well represented through their government, even better. But looking at countries like Singapore or China, I don't think it's the most important factor.
Should do a series like this for all of the major economic systems. Let's look at communism, socialism, and anarchy; now that we have capitalism.
Facts😂
Unfortunately it wouldn't work. None of the aforementioned systems have ever reached the ubiquity of capitalism.
@@zenoblues7787 maybe it'll work this time
Anarchy is not a system. It's just the state of having no ruler
@@toastytoast9800 Proof is more important than ideas.
I'd love a video explaining the pros and cons of a land value tax and how it might work if implemented
A full video on Georgism is a great idea! Such an important concept with so little good content for the uninitiated.
If tech corporations aren't appropriately taxed, it's a terrible system.
YOU MENTIONED GEORGISM! EXCITEMENT! THANK YOU! Please, make a dedicated video on it! LVT+CD & Pigouvian taxes really ought to be in the public discourse!
Do you know of any good videos showing real world examples of Georgism or other alternative taxation systems? I’ve been searching for videos that take real world examples and show how they would be different under each system of taxation.
Yes, land taxes and negative externality taxes! Let's make taxes directly change society for the better.
@@TheNisgi Singapore and Taiwan were both set up with a lot of Georgist elements in the aftermath of WWII, so I recommend looking at their track records to see the effects of Georgism.
@@TheNisgi I'm pretty sure this channel did a video on that idea and I think Hong Kong used that system
Agreed, we need to get georgism and the lvt (land-value-tax) more in the public spotlight
When I lived in Hong Kong I quickly realized that the Chinese are probably the world's biggest capitalists. They practically live by the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition. Never mind the reigning political party or the official line on their governance model. Maybe it's something to do with massive cultural impact of Confucianism, but there's a core intrinsic understanding of value and exchange and whether something is worth your time or not. Federal level governance and how people make decisions in their own lives really can go in separate directions.
Capitalism is the first stage toward socialism. I bet you never learned that in Hong Kong? All chinese kids learned that in their political studies.
Just compare free mark Taiwan to heavily regulated market China, which country has a higher average income, HDI score, and average wealth? They’re the same ethnic group with the same historical background, so it’s a reasonable comparison.
Or compare North Korea to South Korea, the states with less regulated markets are always wealthier.
@@xxxBradTxxxto be fair China has much more people and much larger land area with different geographies and climates, which makes it harder to develop and built wealth. Meanwhile Taiwan was helped by the US and Japan to develop quickly and nowdays has an highly lucrative industry
@@MarcoAntonio-hw7si Alright, then compare North Korea to South Korea, or Peru to Chile, or Nicaragua to Costa Rica. Each of those three pairs of countries are fairly similar in their geography, but one country in the pairs implemented more Socialist economic policies while the others implemented freer market policies.
Which are wealthier?
@@xxxBradTxxx oh I'm not saying that regulated markets can be wealthier than less regulated ones, I'm saying that's unfair to compare countries with vastly different populations and size
I for one would love to see a video on Georgism. Land Value Taxes have some very interesting properties, and seem to perhaps address some of the excesses of capitalism you mention here. As you say, making land taxes the only tax (as Henry suggests), is unlikely to be a solution. But as someone who lives in a big city on a small island, I can see everyday how land taxes might encourage more constructive investment and improve local communities.
That might be an interesting idea pre internet but the power of tech companies dwarfs even landowners these days
Singapore?
Video on Georgism please!
The same reason why everything always evolves into Crabs
Hahaha. True.
They can say "Both sides have their good and bad" but we all know which side they'd rather be on 😎
Crabs are also known to love money, so it makes sense!
What do crabs evolve into?
Too bad octipi don't live a century or two, and raise their young. They'd have a freakish intelligent with ways to manipulate things..
So Capitalism is to economics as Carcinisation it to evolution.
GEORGISM! Please make a video!
yes pls
What do you think about Yanis Varoufakis’ hypothesis in his book Techno Feudalism that capitalism has been replaced by a kind of feudalism through cloud capital?
It's just weird that the dichotomy between capitalism and socialism so often boils down to free market vs full-on government control of the economy. Is it so hard to imagine a market where companies operate through collective ownership of capital and profits rather than having a single person/family own the entire means of production? Coops are a great example of how this principle can be applied within a free market system without any domineering overreach from government.
Exactly. Having democratic companies will be the next step after capitalism.
To my mind, coops they are a fundamentally free market business structure, since they are based on the same principle of free choice and mutual agreement.
@@thijsstavenga4350There already are democratic companies. They're called publicly traded companies and they consist of voters (customers who vote with their dollars), legislators (shareholders and the board), and the President + Cabinet (the CEO + other company execs)
One thing I mostly see about this issue is that when companies go “public” they normally become more profit centered, and have less of a goal besides profit. I mean, Google is a public company, if you think about it. Is it enough to make it a saint? Nope. The problem of coordinating a huge number of individuals towards a goal, without the coordinator corrupting that purpose, is highly complex. How do you control the actions of someone or something who has more power (since this person or thing coordinates a significant number of individuals) so that they are aligned with the majority, and are still effective enough (no dumbing down)? That is precisely the issue we need to solve if we ever want to have superhuman AI's included in the economy.
Well that’s because people will eventually sell their shares. This will happen enough that only one small well organized group will be in charge. It’s literally a law of nature.
This was awesome, could we get a video on some economists ideas on how to "fix" capitalism in the modern world? You touched on Georgism, but that seems to apply to primarily land ownership, I'm curious about the labor aspect. Thanks!
Yes! Tax the land! Georgism makes sense economically and ethically.
I imagine profit sharing is the best way to “fix” capitalism. Sure owners deserve something for getting the business up and running, but evidently it’s been a little too much.
@@TheNisgi Exactly. Just because I put up capital to start a business, should not mean that I then get to reap any profits, forever, all while literally doing jack. That’s just rebranded crony nepotistic Feudalism.
The main way to fix it is to convince people that there's a fundamental issue with it without being labeled a menace to society.
@TheNisgi
Profit sharing is a terrible solution. If ever a company is considering profit sharing, it would be better off for society if they just lowered prices instead.
I think for me the issue is we have outwardly capitalist individuals arguing you just got to capitalist harder when we don't have good support for that. Nearly every economy is mixed and what we have accepted is that past a certain point, regulation is always needed as no market remains "free" after a certain point. This idea that someone will just innovate a solution is one that does not understand our level of development. No one is manufacturing some new thing in their garage that can outcompete fiber optic cable. There are barriers to entry now that are just not feasible. Even with a good idea. This is so true now that companies that do purport these hyper innovative ideas are usually at best, under delivering, but more often just complete frauds. Looking at you theranos and basically every Kickstarter.
At the end, I feel like you miss part of the equation when it comes to Land - Capital - Labour: You mention Labour fights against itself to get better jobs, but you also miss the times when Capital has to compete against itself for better employees.
That's why there are times when the job market is referred to as the "job seeker's market" -- When there are too many jobs but not enough Labour (or qualified Labour) to fill them.
This isn’t often considered because it doesn’t really exist in the modern era outside of certain specializations or as a temporary event in a local economy. The current system is built to ensure a minimum level of capital conflict, thereby maximizing the amount of time the equation favors them (ex: monopolies, posting of ghost jobs, stagnation of minimum wage vs inflation, etc).
@@MonochromaticPrismbullcrap
@@MonochromaticPrism
Bullshit, nothing is built. It's simply that there's a ton of people who can, say, manage a social media account; and they need employment more than the corporation actually needs a social media account. Basically the same assymetry that Adam Smith described in The Wealth of Nations.
I'm glad you mentioned Georgism. Yes, please do a full video on Georgism. I recently found out about it from another CZcamsr and ever since have been hoping you'd do a video on it.
"I am...inevitable."
-Capitalism
What disgusting propaganda
Everything evolves into crabitalism
I don't want an end to capitalism. Just an end to state subsidized monopolies. The problems we encounter today are in most part due to government and corporations working together to crush the common people. To consolidate wealth in an elite few through skewed regulations, byzantine tax laws along with the use of the law and the justice system to crush competition.
It's socialism for the rich, and capitalism for the poors.
The state needs to be smaller. Like 90% smaller.
Then what you want is capitalism.
@@ronald3836 I never said I didn't. But what we have today isn't free market capitalism. It's new age feudalism, perhaps crooked capitalism at best. You'd have to be blind, deaf and stupid not to notice.
The concern there is that corporations in such a system will inevitably try to influence the government because succeeding to do so will grow them massively
You're missing the MOST important element of Capitalism: Capital is not only traded on the private market but first and formost PRIVATELY OWNED, which means that the factories are not owned by the king, the workers or the state but by rich people that can afford to buy them.
Everything else I agree upon
I'm very aware of the shortcomings of the capitalist system but to say that exploitation of natural resources and erosion of human rights don't happen in other systems is not a great take. I'd argue inequality is similar actually.
Sure, you're right, it happens in other modes more. But what are we then talking about? Serfdom, colonialism and feudalism? I don't see how socialism is worse on human rights than capitalism
It’s true that exploitation of natural resources is not exclusive to capitalism. However, the scale and rate can vary significantly between systems. For instance, in a capitalist system, the drive for profit often leads to over-exploitation. In contrast, other systems tend to have more regulations and checks in place to prevent such exploitation.
While it’s true that human rights violations have occurred under various economic systems, it’s important to note that these are often more a result of political structures and leadership rather than the economic system itself.
Yes, every other system exploidet humans & natural ressources on the same level or even worse. Especially communist one.
Because they always end up in bad dictatorships by default.
Even primitive cultures/tribes often raged war and raided other tribes for ressources and slaves. The democratic capitalist is the best system we aware of at the Moment
It would be better described as a loop, where pure capitalism or pure socialism both create a single exploitive monopoly.
I’d love to see you guys make a video on the economics of unions
So fascist economics.
@@ImperialSenpai wrong side of the political spectum buddy
@@ImperialSenpai Fascism, famously known for being a friendly ideology to unionists, it’s not like the National Socialists monopolised unions under the state and threw outspoken unionists into death labour camps, absolutely not
I'm surprised you didn't mention Unions in the discussion of labor. Selling labor as a larger collection is a great way to better leverage certain types of labor on the market. Another interesting case study on this topic that I would love to see a video on would be the Mondragoon cooperative in the Basque region of Spain, seeing what a worker owned market economy looks like in the modern market.
Unions are nothing more than cartels
Please do a full video on Georgism! Also, ATCOR is a sound argument, the single tax would work.
It was slightly mentioned, but generally glossed over. Capitalism with no restrictions can also be really, really messed up. People worked in horrible conditions during the industrial revolution. And that is not even talking about all of the capitalism driven colonialism, exploiting people in ways that make the industrial revolution working conditions look like a daycare. Capitalism works well as long as it has enough of an opposing force keeping it in check and regulating it.
Did it really change though? The only change is that those working conditions have been exported. A capitalist society needs low labor cost in countries like DR Congo, China or Vietnam to function. The only reason capitalism works in western society is because externalities are exported to the 3rd world
but if that opposing force (in most cases, the government) benefits from a lack of regulation, there's little incentive to keep things in check beyond making sure it continues to benefit
@Holidayinspain76 yeah. as far as I've seen capitalism doesn't work without someone being exploited, and so the atrocities of colonialism persist
My biggest problem with capitalist economists is that I don’t agree with the premise of the “central economic problem” that is “people have unlimited desires but only finite resources with which to fill those desires.”
No.
Most people don’t have unlimited desires. And when people do display the behavior of insatiable desire (like a child), most societies throughout the world scorn that as immature and encourage that inclination out of people as they grow.
Capitalism tells people to have unlimited desires so that it can create an ever willing market to buy its eternal production. This is where you get into planned obsolescence.
If people really had “unlimited desires” as the defenders of capitalism argue, why does the field of marketing exist? Why do companies need to convince you to want their stuff if your desires are naturally so limitless? Capitalism creates artificial demand to keep itself going. If not for planned obsolescence and marketing, then people would buy all the cars or phones they need, then have those items for decades without having to buy new ones every year.
Producing stuff on an as-needed basis like this is more sustainable for the environment and creates far less waste (and as I mentioned before, is how most societies throughout human history have operated), but following actual demand is also not as profitable for the capitalists as creating artificial demand.
I mean, if you reach all your goals, would you say “I'm done, I have all the things I need and lived all the things I wanted to live, better just die now”? You would rather, probably, find another thing you want and keep living. The problem is the artificial demand you mentioned, marketing is the root of all evil, it changes the value of things and creates demand where there is none. It is a bug in capitalism, it is a way to game the system. Capitalism requires five major fixes (at least), that are: something to discourage speculation, Georgism to fix the land issue, the end of marketing, something to discourage situations of the tragedy of commons like in pollution and CO2 emission, and something to properly represent goods of negative value.
@@allan710 well as with all longrunning Games there were many tryes to Fix those Bugs but they are hard to eliminate, especialy since some of them especialy marketing and the tragedy of the commons are core mecanics the Pro gamer rely on.
I think you’re confusing capitalism with consumerism.
@@danielcuevas5899I'd argue the two go hand in hand
10:48 Because of ATCOR, an LVT is capable of extracting the same amount of wealth as all other taxes combined. Because of EBCOR, all other taxes on productivity reduce economic output. Put those two together, and the LVT ends up being able to extract MORE wealth than all other taxes combined. Also, the best method of calculating the value of the land and the LVT is by using the market mechanism. Auction the land. This makes the enormous task of calculating the LVT cheap, easy, distributed, systematic, and non-arbitrary.
We need a video about Georgism and Land Value Tax
Can you also make a video on the pros and cons of the government acting as an investor/owner of capital and land vs private investment/ownership of capital and land? When does one make more sense than the other?
Every nation in the world is mixed capitalist/socialist, but to different degrees. There have only been two real world experiments where a single society was split into a more socialist half and a more capitalist half. Those are East/West Germany and North/South Korea. Both experiments resulted in economic and humanitarian disaster for the unfortunate souls who found themselves on the socialist side.
No, most nations around the world are capitalist. You're confusing socialism and a mixture of capitalism and socialism with a welfare state.
But notice: Capitalism doesn't directly reward the most productive and innovative people, those who improve the world; it rewards the people who are rich enough to own the companies that employ those people. Sometimes those owners are also productive innovators, but it's not their productivity that's rewarded. It's their *ownership* that's rewarded.
Can u make a georgism video
It is my belief that Capitalism died in the years following the 2008-2010 financial crisis. We are increasingly headed towards a future where massive tech companies rule their own closed markets, similar to the fiefdoms that once dominated the world before capitalism. Even the financial industry, through firms like BlackRock, increasingly seems to be less an open and free market and more a monopoly of monopolies. This in turn effects every level of the once free market, from housing costs, to wages and where capital ends up. Technocratic Feudalism seems to be the new reality we are all stumbling into.
I’d like to see a video on a wealth tax, suggested by Thomas Piketty in ‘Capital in the 21st Century’. The problem is that the return on capital is invariably higher than the growth rate of the overall economy
The problem with a wealth tax is that it incentivises reinvestment of profit and capital gains for the greater good and not the personal good of the people who have the power to make this change.
That's dumb. Just tax land.
The real problem of a wealth tax is that it takes investment from productive assets and moves them to less productive ones.
Wealth tax = upper class flight
I have come to read the arguments in the comment section
Ah, a true person of culture.
Let me help out..."Unions are good!"
I had to watch the video twice because the first time I was busy reading comments. Then the comments made me curious about the video.
The comments: Forget the video, have you heard of our lord and savior, Georgism?
Disagree land cannot be improved. It can be cleared of trees. It can be leveled. You can add fertiliser, remove rocks. Put in a supply line for electricity. The list of things you can do to improve the land is endless. Some are even very long term and very related to the land itself like chemically breaking up lumps of clay over decades to improve the agricultural output. This was a big problem in medieval times as a lot of land was like today's state forests anyone could use it for anything encouraging foraging, hunting and herding over crops which inevitably would be just eaten by some guys cows.
I think one of the bigger problems with trying to define capitalism is that it was a term coined by its detractors who were unsatisfied with the free market and property rights system that had developed during the 19th century. To this day, the best contribution socialism has made to the world is coining the term Capitalism as its opposite. XD
We've replaced feudalism with extreme capitalism.
I’m personally a socialist, but I acknowledge and applaud the mixed market economies that have industrialised the world and have lifted billions out of starvation and poverty. In the manifesto, Marx and Engels talk about how the market economy has lifted the world up from the feudal era, but they also mention its flaws, as any system has.
How can Grammarly guarantee that your data/content will remain private? Do they enter into a binding contract with you? I doubt it. They may say it's private now, but next year, they could decide different, or some other company could acquire them and have different ideas of what to do with the product and all of the user content they've ingested compared to the company's current leaders
That's the point exactly
Love the vids, I've gained so much knowledge about macro-economics by binging your videos the last couple months! Could you do an analysis of the politically very complex Belgium? :)
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I recommend learning non economic things. Because his very bachelor’s level understanding of economics and nothing beyond the book he read most recently’s understanding of politics leaves out a lot of context and alternatives to things he presents as syllogistic
@@Souledex in his defense he does give the disclaimer that he is actively avoiding anything even remotely political,,,, even when it might provide relevant context
@@ianmwangi2105 true, but economics isn’t a science - it’s an understanding developed within a political context. Ignoring history and politics (as many econ majors do) just means all this “calculated, systematic understanding” of why things are the way they are give people a false sense of their own wisdom in a manner unlike many other fields.
Sort of the way people who got a bunch of “common-sense” finance tips from their dad aggressively asserts they understand economics despite barely having a grasp on microeconomics, similarly people who come to understand the world through the lens of very capitalist friendly (at times almost Austrian) economics often assume the data is great or clear (it is in some ways more than others) and conclusions people draw from it are more concrete than they are without understanding how the floor they are on was made and without learning what history tediously teaches in rhetoric and forensics, or international politics teaches just as a premise that shits different and sometimes that works. And then openminded people approach new data being openminded and then sounding openminded but not able to question the paradigm they have to even frame the questions.
It feels like a science, it’s taught like a math with terribly inconsistent terminology, and in some ways things are incredibly sure things like demography so it feels like it has robust conclusions. But then everyone proceeds from bullshit assumptions all the time or just feel that like other sciences they don’t have to keep reproving the same things that were already established even though establishing them as facts actively changes whether they are true, like all inflation is real and not a game of chicken within oligopolies while people are too busy to notice or one of the absolute earliest that without monied economies societies use the barter system- literally from Adam Smith, took 150 years to start digging that out but everyone still believes it despite the very basis of our intelligence as a species developing because of an environment where that isn’t true.
It’s just a unique bad foundation to build an understanding of the world on despite being a very important and compelling lens to see the challenges of the world or any other beliefs and values you have through.
Your comparison of capitalism to a hammer was great. I think an issue that people in North America are facing is that the capitalist class (people who actually own capital for profit as opposed to those who sell hours of their life to survive) is that the hammer has become harmful. Money is influence and influence is power, and many people with money have no incentive to change our system so they have less money and power. Further, the pursuit of profit can only go so far before people's neccesities can't be met because someone who owns capital wants more. I think this is more apparent in North America than it is in western Europe because we have weaker protections for the people than a country like Germany, Sweden, or Finland has.
A part of capitalism in practice that a frightening number of people who claim they love capitalism forget is that the role of government is still to regulate the market. Capitalism does not mean an absolute free for all dog eat dog bloodbath in the pursuit of profit. Regulation isn't just a part of a successful capitalist society but it is an absolute necessity. That is why having Canadian Conservatives and American Republicans tearing apart workers rights and enacting tax breaks for the wealthy has allowed such insane levels of wealth consolidation and record levels of poverty and homelessness. Wealth taxes and wealth redistribution are not some far right communist idea. There is a reason you collect $200 for passing GO despite having done no work for that $200 and the wealthiest players in a game of Monopoly get taxed the most. Society, capitalist or not, can not continue to function with the levels of wealth consolidation we're seeing from corporations and individuals today. There will be a breaking point and I just hope it's in the form of electing someone who is there for the betterment of the average person who sells precious hours of their life because they currently have no alternative to survive. If your politician is a multi millionaire or billionaire: they aren't there for you.
I think the best way to stop people from shouting "socialism bad!" or "capitalism bad!" blindly like a cult member is a very simple phrase.
There is no utopia.
Only socialism promotes Utopianism which is rooted in Hegelian dialectic
Please do a video on Georgism it would be amazing!
10:25 Thank you so much for acknowledging that Georgism is a *type* of capitalism! I've heard some call it a form of socialism even though there's nothing there involving Government ownership of the factors of production. Honestly, the more I learn about economics, the more infuriated I get at the tendency of my fellow Americans (both left and right) to label anything other than libertarian minarchy as "not capitalist" or even socialist! (Honestly, I might not care so much, except that I used to believe such nonsense myself and few were willing or able to correct me back then).
I think it's funny because Georgism's LVT is inherently a regressive tax model (As in, the more money you make, the less money you'll pay in taxes as a percentage) and yet it's often touted by leftist groups as a solution to their problems. It's not even a solution to landlordism, as a slumlord owning a midrise apartment complex is going to have a lower tax liability (as a percentage of their income) than a farmer or a suburban house owner.
I see many benefits to Georgism, but I think the majority of people who ascribe to it have no idea what it actually would end up doing.
You have stated something that many people don't seem to realize: that there are different forms of capitalism. What is move prevalent is crony capitalism, which is based on the elite being able to have much greater control due to connections and regulations that favor those with heavier resources. The general populace is still generally better off than under non-capitalist systems, but they are heavily restrained from being able to move up in life due to high barriers to entry.
Excellent video. Thanks for the deep dive 👍
My biggest critiques of capitalism are cost externalities, failure to distinguish between wants and needs, and undervaluing of natural resources.
Enter Georgism
"Wants" = what someone wants.
"Needs" = what Comrade Downwardmachine thinks they should want.
Touting Global Wealth's rise since the Roman era without adjusting for inflation, accounting for the centralization of asset ownership by the ruling classes and measuring it relative to the population over time is disingenuous at best. The ecconomy has grown, but the share of the ecconomy per commoner has diminished drastically and it rarely grows without a period of intense civil unrest.
I mean you could make that argument for the past say 15 years but i dont think you can deny at least for the west that from like 1800 to 1990 the share of the economy held by the commoner certainly increased. Its not like the average % of the economy the average person holds have been in decline since 300AD thats a pretty far fetched claim
Still, I love how you portrayed capitalism as a blackhole in the thumbnail.
I'm an Economist and this my standard debate started with everyone that I encounter who starts off with pro/con Capitalism/Socialism. Only difference I use Wrench and Screw to repair the car.
In the first map you've made a mistake by making Taiwan part of China's Yuan zone (in red). Taiwan uses New Taiwan Dollar (TWD), not Chinese Yuan (CNY)!
Anyone think the definition of capitalism is fundamentally wrong? As if it's a tool we take out of the toolbox to solve a particular problem and then put away rather than a system of doing things that evolved from the ground up and inevitably leads to certain benefits and certain problems?
Would love to hear your take on views in books such as "Small is beautiful" and "less is more".
You haven't touched on the fact that in a capitalist system, all available (common) resources such as land, water, air, labour, etc are continuously exploited for the sake of never-ending capital growth.
According to these books, this is the root cause of the climate crisis.
"Capital has the ability to subsume all critiques into itself. Even those who would critique capital end up reinforcing it instead."
- Rejoyce Leyton-Messier
Georgism is definitely something that needs to be seriously considered today, especially when considering that modern day feudalism aka Hedge Funds are buying up limited property.
Yes lets tax homeowners more, something only non-homeowners would say. We can call it the envy tax.
@@freedomliberty83 actually @Im-HAL9000 is onto something here, housing is a right, not a commodity, so first-house for instance can have significantly lower taxes than let's say the second or any subsequent houses with exponential increase of taxation
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Replacing all other taxes with an LVT would be great because it promotes efficient use of land. Making it progressive basically ruins the whole idea.
Learn the difference between entitlements and rights. Every body has the right to own a property if they claim it. But nobody is entitled to a property just because they are born there. Your right to be given a house comes at the expense of the right to property of other tax payers as they can no longer choose how their money is spent. The government chooses it on their behalf. That is evil and that is theft. That is why entitlements cannot be rights.
I don't think you know what feudalism is. Hedge funds don't resemble feudalism at all. And they don't own that much property. They're a common Boogeyman, but it's similar to the Monsanto hate where it is mostly due to a very good PR campaign rather than the truth of the situation.
Great video, saved me a lot of fruitless arguments as the UK approaches an election ^^
I think the issue is that people who see the issues with capitalism refuse to accept why it's been so successful (or at least know their supporters will see this as counter-revolutionary, as it were) and that those who collect most of it's benefits, and therefore have the power to change it, have no incentive to do so.
capitalism is the perfect self perpetuating evil.
The interesting thing to me about this whole discussion, is that even Marx was of the opinion that capitalism was a necessary tool for economic development, and was a required step before the process of transitioning to a socialist economy could take place. Lenin developed the idea of state capitalism as a way for socialist nations to control capitalism so that the state could harness it as a tool for economic development. This of course makes it vulnerable to corruption, so truly no system is without its weaknesses
I like this video a lot, and I appreciate the simplification of the argument with regards to capitalism, especially the idea that it is just a tool. And I will mention that I hold the philosophy that any pure “ism” is destined to cause problems and pain because any idealistic system is basically a mathematical equation, and we don’t yet have mathematical equations that taken into all of the diversity of needs of human beings.
What’s missing though is at the top of the video you seem to say that you’re going to suggest some alternatives. The title of the video doesn’t say that though, so that’s fine.
But, I would really like to see some videos abouteither alternatives to capitalism, or different ways that different countries have already adapted capitalism to deal with its shortcomings, or proposed features that could deal with those shortcomings.
The guy who made the Zeitgeist films, Peter Joseph, would be deeply offended by hearing you suggest that capitalism is proven to be most efficient.
Are you saying that a conspiracy nutter would be offended by reality? Shocker.
Don't decide your favorite tool is a hammer and then try to fix an engine without a socket wrench! LOL solid advice...did the writers just write that? Thats good...well payed!
When all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail.
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When all you have is a hammer and a sickle, your neighbors start looking like dinner.
@@kphaxx when all you want is profit people become meat.
Would like to see economics explained and second thought or whatever discuss/debate.
Great content as always. I'm going to have to watch this video at least three times to completely digest it. Actually, that's being optimistic. After three watches I'll be able to digest about 80% of it.
What capitalism does really well is compartmentalizing corruption. See when you consolidate power you inadvertently consolidate corruption too. And that leads to major instability.
Not a good video, too abstract. It was mostly about trying to define capitalism and yet all the commenters still have no idea what capitalism actually is
I can define capitalist: evil
This was a wonderful video. Thank you. Continuing this kind of serious on idea explanation would be great.
I always enjoy these videos just as much if not more than the direct country comparison.
a mix between the two is optimal
Georgism is the way
Not surprising that a system based roughly on paying for productivity works out much better than paying for non-productivity.
thanks for sharing your view, Economics Explained
Excellent video as always. Two questions, or maybe requests. Can you do a video on how capitalism may respond to a world with a declining population. The argument by some economists that moving from the farm to urban areas as part of the industrialization of the world is about to result in massive population declines. Can capitalism not just adapt to this change but also still thrive.
I have also been seeing a lot of videos about Georgism lately but am still confused about how it actually works. Can you provide a video detailing this economic/taxation theory and how you think it may work in actual practice versus the other taxation practices. Thank you.
But capitalist DOESN'T mean democratic. We're getting more and more capitalist authoritarian politics.
Social democracy is the most pragmatic answer in my opinion.
How are regulations capitalist exactly?
@@ZnamTwojaMama101 Well purest capitalism would have no regulations. However it would be as horrific an existence as authoritarian communism. Probably worse. But in reality we live in a capitalist society with regulation everywhere. I guess it's about how theoretical or real you want to be.
Think of slaves and Dickensian London for what a low regulation capitalist society might look like.
@@danellis-jones1591 It depends, in this no regulation capitalism, It has to have private property or else It isn't capitalism. So slaves aren't capitalist either.
@@ZnamTwojaMama101no country has ever achieved a full laissez faire economy due to its fragility in crisis. In any economy, a government sector, even if very small, should have the resources to restart the flow of goods and services. Even Great Britain, during the notoriously unregulated times of the early to mid 19th century, had a government, with the ability to restart the market if needed.
Wow, what an eye-opening video! I really enjoyed how it delved into the complexities of capitalism and its impact on our global economy. The explanation of capitalism's evolution alongside the Industrial Revolution was incredibly insightful, shedding light on why it has become so dominant worldwide.
On the positive side, I appreciated the balanced perspective presented, highlighting both the benefits and drawbacks of capitalism. It's essential to recognize its role in driving economic growth and innovation, but also to address issues like inequality and exploitation.
However, I did feel that the video could have explored alternative economic systems in more depth. While the focus on capitalism was thorough, a deeper dive into potential alternatives would have provided a more comprehensive understanding of the topic.
Overall, a fantastic breakdown of a complex subject! Thank you, Economic Explain, for another informative video!
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Please do a full video on Georgism! For research, I recommend the books Land is a Big Deal by Lars Doucet, and Taxation: The Lost History by Terence Dwyer (and of course Progress and Poverty by George), and I'd also talk to Nicolaus Tideman, he's a brilliant Georgist .
Also, one of the most important additions to Georgism in modern times is the idea of taxing negative externalities and subsidizing positive externalities, which by reducing deadweight loss would increase land values, which would then be captured by LVT as extra revenue.
ATCOR and EBCOR show that a Georgist-Pigouvian system would necessarily raise enough money to fund government expenditure.
3:09 "Capitalism is the extraordinary belief that the nastiest of men, for the nastiest of reasons, will somehow work for the benefit of us all." -John Meynard Keynes.
Because people who snowball tend to distort everything around them. The narrow-minded people look to them as models and try to follow the model to end up rich. In most cases it doesn't work, and that is precisely on what capitalism feeds on: the misery and wanting of the masses for the benefit of the few. This few that got where they are by breaking rules, legal or moral ones.
It's funny because when socialism succeeds, history has shown us a poor working class with zero mobility and an entrenched elite. The opposite of what capitalism provides.
Too much of one thing is not good. Balance ⚖
Here in the US , any short comings of capitalism has been made much worse by government intervention, two examples would be healthcare and college
Let's not forget corporate bailouts.
That doesn't make government intervention inherently bad. It's worked very well in most other countries. The problem is how it's implemented. In the US the government subsidizes private actors that constitute an oligopoly, pricing out any competitors from emerging. The way the US does is is absolutely horrific as it actually breaks capitalist principles without providing expected benefits to the people. It's essentially an ideal blend of capitalism and socialism for the mega corporations, and a horrible blend of both for the people.
Solution is simple and works in every other country that implemented it this way: single payer universal healthcare public university managed almost entirely by the government itself with price control. The irony is that the US is so rich that it's already spending more money than it needs to implement these without increasing taxes.
Missing some details about the capitalist labor market here. Yes, businesses want to pay as little as possible. But they have to pay more than other businesses, or they don't get any labor. So in a free market, labor cost automatically balances out over different sectors, skill levels and overall demand for labor vs. price of labor.
As one of my favorite Economists, Hayek, said. We stumbled upon the pricing system. Pricing is how we can communicate, without words, what is going on. No need to share any information beyond a symbol and a few numbers
every country ends up capitalist because communism is sabotaged so brutally it's not a viable option.
My pet peeve is the argument that something bad that happened is "because of capitalism" when that same thing is measurably worse in every anti-capitalist country.
Because they will say it wasn't "real" communism because they are all under authoritarian states, but authoritarianism is a FEATURE of communism. They live in this fairy tale where everyone just agrees to share and everyone is provided for. And how do you make sure that happens? A large governing body that has more control than anyone should be comfortable with. Democratic states aren't above corruption.
Capitalism can exist at any scale so it doesn't need a governing body. If you and I buy some washing machines and some retail space we can open a laundromat and split the proceeds proportional to how much we each initially put in. We only *want* the governing body to enforce contracts otherwise we'd have to do it like organized crime and enforce things ourselves.
Yes, or the bad thing actually happens because of government regulation and/or intervention -- which is generally not compatible with capitalism.
generally the issue with anti capitalist discourse is:
A. there are two types of socialism. the one that keeps popping up, leninism, and the one most socialists want, marxism. the main difference is that leninism wants a strong leader to make decisions for the people who need leading (often in the form of a dictatorship), while marxism wants no leaders to make decisions for the people who need freedom (and wants the people as a group to control the means of production, in the form of a democracy). we don’t really know if marxist socialism would work because, as it’s a form of democracy, it does better in peace than in war and can be easily crushed by a dictator or established giant military power like the us. so there’s a bit of a problem in implementation.
B. the us has been sabotaging any anti-capitalist country that has existed since it was born. mostly because it and other capitalist countries want to get their hands on all the capital being kept away from them. this means that the argument can be made that the anti-capitalist countries do poorly *because of the other countries’ capitalism*. whether they’d do better in another scenario is unknown.
@@chesspiece4257On the argument of US crushing anti-capitalist systems would be just proof that they are too weak to resist foreign influences
@@chesspiece4257just blame Hegelianism and the dialectic, it’s easier
Progress and Poverty is S tier reading and I hope you'll give it its own video.
I appreciate your informative presentation and your strange upwards inflections after most sentences equally.
As always, love the nuanced and fresh take! I am frustrated with the offhand credit given to capitalism for all technological progress. People love to create. Invention is an art, and we will progress with or without the inherit exploitation that comes with capitalism.
But capitalism came up with the innovations that brought the world out of poverty
In teaching economics to Junior Achievement students, I always use the title of Anthony Leftwich's book "The Price System and Resource Allocation" to explain the difference between capitalism and other forms of government. Whether it be socialism, communism, or any other ism other than capitalism, they are all "Centrally Planned Economies." The problem with centrally planned economies is that, regardless of their initial motivations, the central planning committee eventually winds up planning for the benefit of the central planning committee rather than the nation as a whole. And, eventually, they wind up planning for the benefit of the head of the central planning committee, becoming a dictatorship. The price system for resource allocation gives the economy freedom to work to the benefit of the national economy. Problems with capitalism come later when wealth gets so concentrated the uber-wealthy can become a central planning committee on their own especially when the economy's tax structure tilts to the benefit of preserving wealth rather than creating it.
The view that labor, intelligence, and land are not forms of capital is an error.
no you are wrong
Right or wrong, I was pointing out a common mistake. Unless of course, you want to use the axiom: those who supply the capital reap the profits.
If one includes labor as part of capital, one might be tempted to compensate labor with a fair part of the profits.
"a better quality of life for all economic participants"
You mean just a better quality of life for humanity. Economic participants sounds dehumansing to an extent.
While it may not be the most ideal system globally, it's the only one that has positively impacted society. Consider countries like Vietnam and China, often labeled as communist in theory, but in practice, they adopt capitalist elements, utilizing communism primarily for suppressing dissent.
Communism = Socialism + One party authoritarianism
China and Vietnam only given up socialism, and only partly.
Ironically social welfare safety nets are practically non existent in modern China, while many capitalist countries have them
You don't know what communism is, do you
I think you are confusing authoritarianism with communism. Communism is nothing more than a way of running the economy, it has nothing to do with suppressing dissent.
I found the ideologue. Communist when bad things happen, but we're just going to ignore that all communist countries were much more poor than before they switched to communism and conveniently ignore all their achievements.
We must acknowledge that communism was a useful tool for many countries, authoritarian elements are not unique to communist countries, nor do they define communism.
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I'm a georgist and i find this is the only way to fix the entire economy
Life is not just black or white. Capitalism or socialism. Every country has different values and history