5 Times Survivor Producers Broke Their Own Rules

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  • @Peridiam
    @Peridiam  Před 2 lety +453

    It seems some people are confused about the comparison between Mike and Ben’s situations so I’ll try to clarify further.
    Ben was not allowed to play the idol when he did. When Jeff let him do that - and confirmed it was real - that was a violation of the rule. Jeff both let Ben play an idol early and confirmed to everyone that it was a real idol. Neither of those actions are allowed.
    On the other hand, Mike didn’t break a rule by asking Jeff to confirm the idol, nor did Jeff break a rule by denying confirmation of Mike’s idol. While Mike wasn’t trying to play the fake idol, it’s important to understand that if Mike cannot have his idol confirmed until after the votes are cast, neither should Ben be able to have his idol confirmed before the votes are cast - regardless of whether Ben is trying to play the idol or not.
    Just as he denied Mike, Jeff should’ve told Ben: “As per the rules, I can’t let you play that yet - nor confirm if it’s what you think it is - You gotta wait until the votes are cast to play/confirm it.”
    Also, in the following season, Ghost Island, at the final 6, Domenick played a fake idol before the votes were cast-but Jeff didn’t confirm if the idol was real or not. This situation creates another inconsistency with Ben's play, as Jeff did confirm Ben’s idol was real and any votes cast against him would not count. Why did Jeff not confirm Dom’s idol was fake, despite playing it? Confirming a real one but not a fake one is one in the same.
    Some people are understandably confused because Mike didn’t play the fake idol, but Ben did play the real one and it was confirmed to be real. They appear to be two different circumstances, but they're actually following the same set of rules. Idols can't be played early. Idols can't be confirmed early. Until they can. And that’s the point of the video - Jeff allows inconsistencies and sometimes the producers break their own rules.

    • @jameswilliams2077
      @jameswilliams2077 Před 2 lety +11

      What about when Tony asked “can you validate this for me?” in S28 & Jeff confirmed it was an idol before Tony played it?

    • @thabangsiyabongakamatona7832
      @thabangsiyabongakamatona7832 Před 2 lety +7

      I rewatched the footage and Jeff told the cast during the Ben vote that they are allowed to vote for Ben even though he had just played his immunity, their votes just would not count. But I do understand that your whole argument is about when an idol can and cannot be played. I am struggling to find this rule on the official document you linked to the video. So please help me, on what page of the rule book may we find this rule that prevents players from playing their idols before votes are cast?

    • @Peridiam
      @Peridiam  Před 2 lety +23

      @@thabangsiyabongakamatona7832 You're right, Jeff does say they can still vote for Ben, though their votes won't count. The official document linked doesn't talk about the idol - you can find the rules for the idol on the parchment that comes with them. For example, there's a visible shot of the rules in Episode 5 of HHH, that state: "If you intend to use the idol for yourself or someone else, you must do so after all of the votes have been cast, but before the votes are read." Here's a screenshot: i.imgur.com/ifd5gZk.jpg?1

    • @thabangmatona848
      @thabangmatona848 Před 2 lety +8

      @@Peridiam it feels like you are moving the goal post a little bit. I watched this video under the impression that all your "rule breaks" were issues where a rule in the official rule book was broken. I think we have established that by having Ben play that idol, Jeff did not break an official rule from the rule book. Survivor is notorious for changing rules on advantages. It would not be too far fetched to believe that this rule seen on that parchment for that single idol in HHH may not have been in the parchment that Ben had for his idol.
      Thank you for your engagement as I asked more questions on this issue. Most CZcamsrs would have just avoided people who disagree with them. You are a germ.
      That said, I am still unconvinced that the Ben idol play is a rule break since:
      1) It did not break any rule from the official rule book.
      2) The comparison you made in the video with Mike is not exactly a similar situation since Ben's idol was played and Mike's wasn't.
      3) We did not see the parchment directly linked to that specific idol Ben had as it is possible that rules for advantages differ (as is usual with survivor).
      I appreciate your work. Thank you.

    • @cdawg4021
      @cdawg4021 Před 2 lety

      @@Peridiam Imagine in survivor Caramon and Brandon is going to be voted out and he had a idol what would happen?😆😆😆

  • @coltonpark1930
    @coltonpark1930 Před 2 lety +681

    Johnny FP- “whose are these?”
    Rupert- “pirated”
    Johnny FP- *immediately ok with it and stuffs them in his shirt*
    Love that moment

    • @boomz2526
      @boomz2526 Před 2 lety +55

      Rupert and Fairplay have amazing chemistry

    • @cmac069
      @cmac069 Před 2 lety +31

      I'm telling you now this moment is still one of the coolest moments in the show. People absolutely loved that.

    • @marshanievar9246
      @marshanievar9246 Před 2 lety +2

      Yes love that moment, & Johnny's grin melts away any problem with it :)

    • @DJColdCutz_
      @DJColdCutz_ Před 2 lety +2

      @@cmac069 Yea, definitely illegal, but absolutely my all time favorite moment lol

    • @RJnottheraccoon
      @RJnottheraccoon Před měsícem

      I recently watched that season for the first time and when I saw that moment I was like “oh I am going to like this season!” I watched that scene like 3 or more times before moving on 😂😂🤩🤩😍😍

  • @MrBen51309
    @MrBen51309 Před 2 lety +1656

    Another one is production forcing Amanda to give the clue back to Danielle but allowing Woo to steal Spencer's a few seasons later.

    • @baileylynn5562
      @baileylynn5562 Před 2 lety +90

      Did production force her to? The episode portrayed it as Colby telling her to, but if someone later said it was production that would make sense

    • @MrBen51309
      @MrBen51309 Před 2 lety +173

      @@baileylynn5562 Behind the scenes yes they did.

    • @LivTheSlayer
      @LivTheSlayer Před 2 lety +56

      @@baileylynn5562 I think Danielle was pissed at production so they had her give it back if i remember correctly

    • @Quetzal00358
      @Quetzal00358 Před 2 lety +151

      Colby: **gets the chance to watch two hot girls fight**
      Colby: "I was watching Treasure Island"

    • @shesjustafrienduhhafriend8655
      @shesjustafrienduhhafriend8655 Před 2 lety +37

      Well Amanda stole it from under her and woo got it by accident so it’s different

  • @mindassassin
    @mindassassin Před rokem +297

    I love the fact that the producers made a rule that basically just turns all other rules into suggestions.

    • @Liamj774
      @Liamj774 Před rokem +2

      that's showbiz babey

  • @LivTheSlayer
    @LivTheSlayer Před 2 lety +590

    Savage probably has a whole theory built about how he would've made the jury in PI if Rupert wasn't allowed to steal shoes

    • @TheKYLEdavid
      @TheKYLEdavid Před 2 lety +46

      I feel like he is probably right IMO, Rupert was the best physical competitor on Drake. So if Rupert was disqualified Day 1, then Morgan probably makes the merge with 6 people, so a member of Drake probably is the merge boot

    • @maskcollector6949
      @maskcollector6949 Před 2 lety +15

      @@TheKYLEdavid Then the show would have ended right there. Rupert "stealing" the shoes was classic. They practically gave it to him - hence not being punished.

    • @_peepee_
      @_peepee_ Před 2 lety +12

      i do feel bad for him though even though i like rupert too. savage seems like a good guy and an excellent leader

  • @Peridiam
    @Peridiam  Před 2 lety +913

    For those curious about Peih-Gee's big brain pictures at the beginning - before competing in Cambodia, she fashioned steel fish hooks out of her earrings. She also attached flint and twine to the inside of her cardigan and attempted to wear a necklace that had a serrated edge which could be used to start fire.

    • @daverussell457
      @daverussell457 Před 2 lety +47

      How you don't have a lot more subscribers is baffling to me.

    • @nathanboyer7739
      @nathanboyer7739 Před 2 lety +98

      Dont forget, her dad smuggled a kit kat bar for her during Survivor China. Peih-Gee was once described as toxic by Probst but she has always been one of my favourites!

    • @Mendejito
      @Mendejito Před 2 lety +86

      More reasons to Stan Peih-Gee a Queen

    • @thomasbrodie-sangsteredits5971
      @thomasbrodie-sangsteredits5971 Před 2 lety +16

      Survivor What IF Series Coming Soon of The Heros Vs Villans JT talking to Russel. WHAT IF the producers stopped JT!.

    • @delaxjinkxrpdrfan9102
      @delaxjinkxrpdrfan9102 Před 2 lety +18

      I knew abt this but seeing Peih Gee appreciation makes me smile

  • @boomz2526
    @boomz2526 Před 2 lety +516

    A big issue I have with Jeff letting Ben play the idol early is the next season, Ghost Island, Dominick handed Jeff a fake idol and he didn't confirm if it was fake until after the votes were cast.

    • @Peridiam
      @Peridiam  Před 2 lety +85

      Right, that’s another good example.

    • @PeterKoebel
      @PeterKoebel Před 2 lety +44

      The season Ben "won", was super shady. I totally forgot that moment. But not surprised they contorted the rules to help Ben win.

    • @josepheskew4392
      @josepheskew4392 Před 2 lety +28

      In neither Mike's nor Dominick's case were they trying to play the idol. Dominick was just showing off his fake and he never asked Jeff to confirm or deny its power before the votes; that would have backfired. He just set it on the podium for extra flair. Mike didn't try to play it, he asked for it to be confirmed. He was trying to have his cake and eat it too, having the idol confirmed without losing it by playing it. That's why he was denied.

    • @techwiz81
      @techwiz81 Před 2 lety +25

      Ben’s whole game was the best evidence there’s been of the producers rigging the game. They did multiple shady things to make sure he won

    • @alexanderaurin6310
      @alexanderaurin6310 Před 2 lety

      @@techwiz81 Who really cares. All of these types of tv shows are all fake.

  • @MrBen51309
    @MrBen51309 Před 2 lety +642

    I would argue the Idol Nullifier in DvG falls into that category. Dan's note told him the idol was "guaranteed protection" right? He shouldn't have any reason to doubt production when they tell him that.

    • @baileylynn5562
      @baileylynn5562 Před 2 lety +2

      IoI as well

    • @SolidRadon
      @SolidRadon Před 2 lety +6

      I personally hate any twists that take away something from others for that reason. The Idol Nullifier, the Vote Steal, the Hourglass... Additionally, the mandatory Final 4 fire-making when the contestants were not informed in advance (thus removing their justified expectation to vote).
      The extra vote is fine. Risking your own vote is fine because it is within your control to lose your powers. The Shot in the Dark? I actually really like the idea as an option for those with none left. But don't have it so that your right (provided as per the rules of the game), or advantage (earned as per the rules of the game), can be taken away without any agency on your part.

    • @mal5377
      @mal5377 Před 2 lety +67

      I mean Jeff “guaranteed” immunity to half the tribe in 41 until Erika turned back time

    • @beuriotquentin7907
      @beuriotquentin7907 Před 2 lety +31

      Hey at least it's not the black bracelet from the latest non all-star French season, that allowed to steal an idol AFTER it was played

    • @uglyaniimals
      @uglyaniimals Před 2 lety +1

      @@beuriotquentin7907 LMAOOOO

  • @telph3223
    @telph3223 Před 2 lety +47

    Let's not forget how everyone's favorite survivor couple technically broke the rules by agreeing to split the prize money after Rob proposed live.

  • @Agent49ers
    @Agent49ers Před 7 měsíci +20

    The rule is. Do not be boring.

  • @jesb3973
    @jesb3973 Před 2 lety +303

    Another rule break of the ‘can’t strategize with the other tribe’ would be Boston Rob’s “if you take care of her I’ll take care of you” to Lex about Amber. Jeff did tell them to brake up the conversation but production not only allowed Lex to protect Amber but aired a ton of footage of Rob and Lex talking about the deal and turned it into one of the biggest storylines of the season going all the way into final tribal and beyond. Just like the JT idol storyline it was just too good to pass up, but a rule break none the less.

    • @isaacmemtorie3347
      @isaacmemtorie3347 Před 2 lety +10

      Jeff did tell them to stop, but what were they supposed to do? Producers tell Lex he can't protect Amber? He can vote how he wants. Not sure it's a clear rule break especially after a switch occurs.

    • @ryanhoffman3534
      @ryanhoffman3534 Před rokem +3

      Yea I wouldn’t necessarily say that’s strategizing. They told them to break it up and it’s not like they were actually putting a plan together or anything. Like they know that certain people will team up after the merge because of connections and stuff so all that’s really doing is getting them a team up for then. Neither of them were throwing challenges or communicating on who to take out from each tribe

    • @ryanhoffman3534
      @ryanhoffman3534 Před rokem

      Yea I wouldn’t necessarily say that’s strategizing. They told them to break it up and it’s not like they were actually putting a plan together or anything. Like they know that certain people will team up after the merge because of connections and stuff so all that’s really doing is getting them a team up for then. Neither of them were throwing challenges or communicating on who to take out from each tribe

    • @joeypauley3150
      @joeypauley3150 Před rokem

      I know I’m super late to this but I think part of the reason the showed it so much throughout the season is because of how big of a storyline it was at final tribal and why Lex didn’t vote BR.

  • @Nathan35077
    @Nathan35077 Před 2 lety +79

    Makes me wonder what would have happened had any of the contestants known the rules and spoke up. Like stop him right in his tracks and say “no, we’re not going to vote out a second member because the rules state….” Would they have been like “we’re changing the rules right now” or said they were right and change the plan because they had the knowledge about it.

    • @tysonplett3328
      @tysonplett3328 Před 2 lety +33

      You're forgetting about the rule that states production can do whatever the hell they want.

    • @Nathan35077
      @Nathan35077 Před 2 lety +3

      @@tysonplett3328 no, im not forgetting it.

    • @beatm6948
      @beatm6948 Před 2 lety +18

      They would probably state that in the contract they are allowed to change them. And then edit the whole conversation out. No way it's going on tv that production has no rules.

    • @matts1166
      @matts1166 Před rokem +2

      I know there have been a number of game shows/reality shows in the past where contestants have done exactly this, and made production eat some crow. Having an encyclopedic knowledge of all rules is necessary for gaming a system. It's like players in Major League baseball losing a game because they forgot about the "4th out" rule, which then gets called out by the other team's coach.

  • @bodvarson1933
    @bodvarson1933 Před rokem +3

    Jeff is basically the DM of Survivor.

  • @BlackandBluePianos
    @BlackandBluePianos Před 2 lety +238

    The biggest rule break that's essentially not even a rule anymore is the concept of "live tribal". It was cool and crazy the FIRST time it happened, but I really hate how every week it seems we have to waste time watching people whisper back and forth without subtitles while all the votes get decided in the last minute. Things were better when people could only talk to Jeff.

    • @red_day6097
      @red_day6097 Před 2 lety +36

      I personally like the live tribal. When people start to get up and go talk off to the side and you see people start to panic. One of my favorites was season 40 (winners) (I think) when Tony gathered the gang and everyone was up whispering and talking to each other and it shows Jeremy's face how scared he looked cause not a single person talked to him. He sat there and watched everyone discuss the vote without him so he played the advantage to leave tribal council. But I respect your opinion on the rule. I can see why you don't like live tribal.

    • @kalisue6573
      @kalisue6573 Před 2 lety +12

      Disagree I love live tribals

    • @_pandacecelya_
      @_pandacecelya_ Před 2 lety +5

      I agree! I hate that’s a thing now that always happens!

    • @wherethetatosat
      @wherethetatosat Před 2 lety +8

      Hilarious the first time it happened, over it by the 5th time it happened. Unfortunately, it makes for good TV and not everyone watches every season. Meaning anyone returning might have the current episode be their first time seeing it and having the same initial reaction we all did. It is possible to overdo a good thing.

    • @JeyroyLenkinss
      @JeyroyLenkinss Před 2 lety +5

      I hate how everyone complains about the whispering. Did you see Jeff's face when it first happened?? He was SO EXCITED because he is never surprised and he was going to be after that. It was epic

  • @rayg6497
    @rayg6497 Před 2 lety +117

    The hourglass from the most recent season should be on here. Up to now, winning an immunity challenge always meant you had immunity. So much for that rule.

  • @stubby1122
    @stubby1122 Před 2 lety +21

    I always figured that producers have favorites and will create challenges that favor the skills of the player(s) they want to advance in the game.

    • @dianaritchie8857
      @dianaritchie8857 Před 2 lety +4

      For sure, they clearly set things up for certain people to find the idols and stuff

  • @GeauxWyatt
    @GeauxWyatt Před 2 lety +122

    I think Jeff screwed up on the Ben idol thing in the moment. He could’ve held up the rules if Jeff said “Ben is already giving me what he SAYS is an idol.” And just not confirm it until he reads the votes. But Jeff’s continuing hard on for Ben blinded him to the rules for a sec and in a moment of good TV confirmed it was the idol. Not the biggest mistake ever and maybe there has been a change in how that can work, but still a rule break nonetheless.

    • @Peridiam
      @Peridiam  Před 2 lety +11

      Yeah, it’s not a huge deal. It was a pretty good back-and-forth between Ben and Devon too.

    • @stephendavis6267
      @stephendavis6267 Před 2 lety +12

      Yeah, I definitely think that Jeff was caught off-guard because there was no real reason for Ben to do what he did because why would you give the opposition the chance to rally before the votes were read? It doesn't benefit Ben to play the idol before the votes are read, which is what threw Jeff off. I don't think it necessarily matters one way or the other if someone decides to play the idol before votes are cast, though -- if they want to burn the idol and give the opposition enough time to come up with Plan B, then let them.

    • @reubenmanzo2054
      @reubenmanzo2054 Před 2 lety

      I vaguely recall something about a bluff idol where you "play" it before the votes are cast and then reveal the note explaining exactly what it is, meaning if anyone does vote for you, the vote will indeed count.

    • @boomz2526
      @boomz2526 Před 2 lety

      @@Peridiam I don't know, it's a pretty good look to a jury clamoring for big plays to be made

  • @SoulSurvivor14
    @SoulSurvivor14 Před 2 lety +37

    The first one has the technicality of “play it.” Mike asked if it could be verified, not if he was going to play it. Whereas Ben said he was playing it

  • @handsoaphandsoap
    @handsoaphandsoap Před 2 lety +114

    The Ben one was probably allowed not because it was a flashy move on his part, but because it was a good move by the other players. By goading Ben into using the idol before the votes are read, the other players can vote riskfree and instead pivot to plan B and lessen the risk of getting idoled out.

    • @EvboiMC
      @EvboiMC Před 2 lety +14

      It sets a bad precedent where fake idols have less power. It's lucky that we haven't had an episode yet where someone said "Oh that idol is real? Play it now then. Why not? Ben did it."

    • @handsoaphandsoap
      @handsoaphandsoap Před 2 lety +3

      @@EvboiMC Yeah, I don't think they should've done it or that they should allow it again but I think that was productions logic of allowing it then and there in that moment

    • @boomz2526
      @boomz2526 Před 2 lety

      @@EvboiMC We could've had that scenario happen had Ghost Island been one season later

  • @coltonyounger9724
    @coltonyounger9724 Před 2 lety +136

    Another example for not being able to interact with the other tribe is when Rob told Lex not to take out Amber in All Stars

    • @westube3493
      @westube3493 Před 2 lety +32

      Jeff will not deny his golden boy

    • @funkycrawler619
      @funkycrawler619 Před 2 lety +1

      I believe challenges are different and it was still technically a challenge so.

    • @codykeane6107
      @codykeane6107 Před 2 lety +3

      I believe that rule is more about not trying to go to their camp bc some of the camps were pretty close. You see contestants interact in challenges all the time and try get Intel from the other tribe, I think that's allowed.

  • @Drake_Dimes
    @Drake_Dimes Před 2 lety +67

    Forgot in Season 2 when Kimmi Kappenburg talked to Tina during a challenge and said Debb voted for Jeff Varner which ultimately led to an Ogakor majority post merge.

    • @iandean1112
      @iandean1112 Před 2 lety

      Is that breaking a rule though? It was during a challenge and filmed.

    • @sixredfish6115
      @sixredfish6115 Před 2 lety +2

      @@iandean1112 to what was described during JT part yes it was breaking a rule, and leaking tribal dynamics.

  • @BlueSpiceSpace
    @BlueSpiceSpace Před 2 lety +8

    As Tyson said: if you think its gonna be good TV, try it anyways and they might allow it

  • @Siren-Alpha-Beta-Gamma
    @Siren-Alpha-Beta-Gamma Před rokem +4

    When Rupert stole those shoes, it got me hooked to this show, had to watch every season, best moment I ever saw in this show

  • @holyheretic3185
    @holyheretic3185 Před 2 lety +7

    I still can't get over that attack zone challenge, I'm only a few season in but seen some clips, if literally everyone is being disqualified for touching out of the zone then you messed up with your zone placement

  • @MikeGlasses
    @MikeGlasses Před 2 lety +14

    Should have talked about the moment a player pushed back against a rule change and said call my lawyer right now if you have a problem.
    Tom Westman from Season 10 at the final challenge, after half a day out there Jeff wanted to change it to one leg only.

  • @andyland5555
    @andyland5555 Před 2 lety +32

    Another example being the merge "immunity" challenge in Survivor 41, and then the hourglass twist happening.
    Also, to go with your first example, the timeline starts with Tony in Cagayan asking if Jeff can validate an idol (at the time an idol can be played), then Jeff saying it IS an idol, followed by Tony using it on LJ. Then in Worlds Apart, Mike asks Jeff to validate it (at not the time idols are played) and Jeff says he has to wait until it is played, even though he validated Tony's before he actually played it. Then, in HvHvH, we have the Ben incident where he plays it before the votes are read. And finally, in Ghost Island where Domenick asks Jeff to validate the idol and Jeff reverts back to his answer with Mike, where he can't confirm until it's played.

    • @telph3223
      @telph3223 Před 2 lety +4

      When Jeff said you won immunity to the group who won in 41, he was literally lying to their face and he knew it.

  • @tau_628
    @tau_628 Před 2 lety +244

    Hey Peridiam, I think you should do a part 2 to your craziest tribal councils series. There's been a lot of crazy tribals in the last 6 seasons that probably would have made the top ten. Whether you revise your list or make an entirely new one, either way I think it would be an interesting video.

    • @mrmetsman7693
      @mrmetsman7693 Před 2 lety

      Great idea

    • @freddytang2128
      @freddytang2128 Před 2 lety +8

      Remember in game changers it was revolutionary to get up and whisper at tribal. Now nobody bats an eye

    • @shesjustafrienduhhafriend8655
      @shesjustafrienduhhafriend8655 Před 2 lety

      @@freddytang2128 lol

    • @Peridiam
      @Peridiam  Před 2 lety +50

      I’ll consider it! I’ve wanted to update some of my older videos from years ago. A lot has happened since then.

    • @mrmetsman7693
      @mrmetsman7693 Před 2 lety +5

      @@Peridiam if you do, still keep the old ones up so we can see the evolution of the game and players over time

  • @danielmiller5
    @danielmiller5 Před 2 lety +6

    Australian Survivor breaks that last Tribal Council rule a lot. They’ll even have someone get voted out then say sike you’re not out you’re actually just on the other tribe.

    • @alienjack6375
      @alienjack6375 Před 2 lety +1

      I don't even necessarily mind if they do a twist, but that twist should be known by the people voting before tribal council, not as some gotcha moment they only know about until a reward challenge.

  • @arielserranoni
    @arielserranoni Před 2 lety +52

    I never read the literal rules of the game, but I think Chris Underwood might have broken the rules at the final 4 of S38. When he gave up immunity to Julia, it seems that Julia would get to pick who would make fire then. Instead, Chris chose to make fire against Rick.

    • @jonathan536
      @jonathan536 Před 2 lety +3

      Julie. But yeah I guess your logic makes sense?

    • @ariw.5700
      @ariw.5700 Před 2 lety +2

      I mean, Julie would've obviously picked Rick and Chris to make fire so who cares

    • @notnatwhothat
      @notnatwhothat Před 2 lety +5

      This is a super interesting point honestly. I never would have thought about it

    • @josepheskew4392
      @josepheskew4392 Před 2 lety +7

      It's not against the rules because the power to decide who makes fire and the immunity necklace are separate advantages. When Chrissy first won it, the power was designated by a separate envelope that she was given in addition to the immunity necklace. I believe Underwood actually asked beforehand to make sure before giving up the necklace.

  • @Zalaniar
    @Zalaniar Před 2 lety +15

    Although it doesn't really fit, one thing I found really interesting is when the rain killed the torches but Jeff snuffed it out anyway. (I think you included some footage from that one in here.) Also, I thought it was cool the couple times they let the tribe stay in the tribal council hut or evacuated everyone due to severe weather.

  • @andrewvelazquez7179
    @andrewvelazquez7179 Před 2 lety +6

    Ben on the Survivor Mt Rushmore?? Well this just confirmed a lot of things for me lol

  • @BanditSurvivorContent
    @BanditSurvivorContent Před 2 lety +12

    Literally just watch your videos on my work break dude! Thanks for all the effort in them they give me the will to get back into work ❤️❤️

  • @SendarSlayer
    @SendarSlayer Před rokem +1

    Survivor isn't allowed in Australian waters anymore after damaging the Great Barrier Reef.
    They REALLY need to follow local laws.

  • @cindywylie890
    @cindywylie890 Před rokem +25

    Another thing that has always bothered me and I'm not sure if it's in the Survivor rule book or not. I don't believe that anyone should be allowed to go through another tribe members personal belongings looking for an idol or beef jerky. A person's personal effects are just that; personal. I think someone who goes through another person's things should have a vote automatically cast against them at TC.

    • @midnalazuli793
      @midnalazuli793 Před 10 měsíci +2

      I think the rule is that if it makes for good TV, production will allow anything.

  • @AndyB80808
    @AndyB80808 Před 2 lety +9

    I have to be honest the biggest rule broken to me seems to be the fire making challenge when 4 are left because players are supposed to be voted out, you never hear Jeff say to the final 3 the power shifts to the jury who either directly or indirectly you had a hand in voting out (except the last person on the jury) which is what he should say.

    • @kellbellsparkles
      @kellbellsparkles Před rokem

      There was also when instead of having a vote at the final four there was a fire making challenge in Ben's season. Clear production favorite

  • @maxfischer469
    @maxfischer469 Před 2 lety +4

    The first example makes sense. Ben found the idle, he knew it was real. Playing it early didnt help him any. In fact it hurt him because he couldnt bluff and end up keeping it despite saying he would play it. Mike on the other hand was given the idol. He had no idea if it was real. Finding out if it was authentic would indeed help him.

  • @squeakyelbows
    @squeakyelbows Před 2 lety +5

    "I can't verify that until you decide to play it." That means he hasn't played it.

    • @josepheskew4392
      @josepheskew4392 Před 2 lety +1

      Exactly. It wasn't the timing; it was that he was trying to confirm the idol without relinquishing it.

  • @brianpimental1668
    @brianpimental1668 Před 3 měsíci +2

    Another rule is helping someone during individual challenges. However in 46 Liz helped Kenzie in the final 5 challenge and Jeff was okay with it.

  • @reoxbl
    @reoxbl Před 2 lety +21

    I still thinking messing with another contestants personal items should be against the rules. That shit doesn't fly anywhere in the world. If I catch you going through my stuff, we fighting. Simple as that.

  • @joeertman
    @joeertman Před 2 lety +20

    Idk if this counts but the fact that Jeff lied to Sydney, Danny, and all them at the weird merge thing in 41 after they literally won the challenge

  • @freddytang2128
    @freddytang2128 Před 2 lety +49

    Im sure there was a rule that said you eliminate people by voting them out, unless the vote is tied. So the sudden introduction of mandatory firemaking at final 4 seem like a huge rule break. Also the introduction of idol nullifer seem like a massive rule break. Since when is an idol not guaranteed to protect you

  • @aaronmarshall7007
    @aaronmarshall7007 Před 2 lety +18

    Wait so what would've happened if someone in Raro knew that rule and convinced everyone to write down the name of an Aitu member? Imagine Jeff just shows up to your camp and tells you you've been voted out. What if they voted Yul? He plays his idol and now there are no votes that can be counted. Presumably, raro would've left tribal already. Would they have to go back and vote again?

    • @eclecticsteak
      @eclecticsteak Před 2 lety +4

      def wouldn’t happen they would just say it has to be someone from your own tribe

    • @aaronmarshall7007
      @aaronmarshall7007 Před 2 lety +3

      @@eclecticsteak yeah. I'd pay to see this happen though

  • @BrettMKW
    @BrettMKW Před 2 lety +38

    I'll be disappointed if Ben being allowed to play and verify his F6 idol before the votes were even cast isn't up here, especially when they didn't let Mike verify Joe's fake idol in World's Apart.
    EDIT: Holy cow, spot on! I swear I didn't watch the video before making this comment.

    • @coreydagon2976
      @coreydagon2976 Před 2 lety +5

      These are two different things being done. Mike was trying to VERIFY his idol, while Ben was PLAYING it. You can play an idol whenever you want, but Jeff won't tell you if it's real unless you play it.

    • @Peridiam
      @Peridiam  Před 2 lety +8

      @@coreydagon2976 You can’t play an idol whenever you want. It’s written in the rules of the idol parchment when it has to be played.

    • @coreydagon2976
      @coreydagon2976 Před 2 lety +1

      ​@@Peridiam That's true, but I think that rule has no need to be strict because playing the idol before the vote inherently makes the idol weaker. Comparing it to Mike's situation isn't really fair to the producers because it's two different circumstances with two very different implications on the game. It's more of a technicality that the producers just decided wasn't worth the hassle rather than an established rule that had major impacts on the game. Either way, love the content keep it up!

  • @blueblockk
    @blueblockk Před 2 lety +7

    Anytime I see Devon on screen I get so sad about what could have been :(

  • @othersideofyoutube2252
    @othersideofyoutube2252 Před 2 lety +6

    That final vote out of Jenny was huge Total rule break thanks for making this!!!

  • @KingsNerdCave
    @KingsNerdCave Před rokem +22

    I was discussing one with my family, I think it was Game Changers in the final 6, 4 people use hidden immunity idols + the person with the necklace so Cirie, who had no votes, got voted out for being the only person not immune which seems unfair since no one voted for her.

    • @ja1207
      @ja1207 Před rokem +9

      there would've been a revote among those who aren't immune, which would be unnecessary coz only 1 person would be eligible.

    • @BatCaveOz
      @BatCaveOz Před rokem

      @@ja1207 Yup!

    • @deetheefoodie
      @deetheefoodie Před 9 měsíci

      I hated that for her! I love her so much.

  • @eclecticsteak
    @eclecticsteak Před 2 lety +4

    The idol possession stuff is fuzzy to me. Like in Tocantins when Taj lets Stephen hold on to the idol because he has pockets, he basically says its his because its in his possession. Later he tells JT if they vote her out, they keep the idol. But what if Taj never officially gave it to them?
    She also says if either of them need it they are free to use it. What if she changed her mind? Does it still belong to her even though she roughly gave them permission to take it?

  • @TedApelt
    @TedApelt Před 2 lety +2

    I used to think that not only was conferring with a member of an enemy tribe allowed, but it was also part of the game.

  • @davidlawrence3106
    @davidlawrence3106 Před 2 lety +2

    This is why I do not watch "Survivor". Like most "reality" shows it's not real, which means it's not a game. When I want to watch a scripted show with a predetermined ending, I watch shows with proper actors and a reasonable plotline.

  • @TequilaMockingBird91
    @TequilaMockingBird91 Před 2 lety +11

    I hate Ben as a winner. It was blatantly obvious that production wanted him to win by “accidentally” confirming his idol before votes are cast, hiding idols LITERALLY right where he sleeps AND changing the nature of the end game entirely when it was shown that Ben would actually get eliminated now.
    You can’t say no to a Veteran but they weren’t even trying to hide that they were carrying him to the win.

    • @kaleforsale2102
      @kaleforsale2102 Před 2 lety +1

      omg yes! and seeing him in winners at war just felt like lemon juice in an open wound..

  • @paintriarchdave7977
    @paintriarchdave7977 Před rokem +1

    After season 1 and Richard walking around naked that was stopped immediatly 😂

  • @cooper6381
    @cooper6381 Před 2 měsíci +1

    7:11
    “Whose are these?”
    “Pirated”
    “Ahh”

  • @Ori_Kohav
    @Ori_Kohav Před 2 lety +31

    The twists of Redemption Island and Edge of Extinction are a huge rule break. "Fire represents your life. When your fire is gone, so are you". Both those twists, as well as the Outcasts Tribe, really distort the game, and Chris Underwood is to me by far the worst winner yet.

    • @ilikebasketball5788
      @ilikebasketball5788 Před 2 lety

      Chris winning completely ruined season Rick is the true winner

    • @lukeschiltz9688
      @lukeschiltz9688 Před rokem +1

      Agreed. Basically win one challenge and you make it to final episode. Pretty dumb concept, not a fan of edge of extinction idea. Also not a huge fan of redemption island, but at least the people who made it back had to kind of earn their way back.

    • @StupidManCostume
      @StupidManCostume Před rokem

      @@ilikebasketball5788 Rick was voted out as well

  • @BladeBlur
    @BladeBlur Před 2 lety +3

    3:10 I always found it funny this line is ADR'd. Sounds like Jeff is hosting Blue's Clues.

  • @adenbraithwaite6191
    @adenbraithwaite6191 Před 2 lety +4

    This whole video is absolutely a cup of tea and it shall be spilled ☕️ 😂

  • @JaPls
    @JaPls Před rokem +1

    The first rule of Survivor: There are no rules. The second rule of Survivor: There are no rules

  • @vermontmike9800
    @vermontmike9800 Před 2 lety +9

    Regarding Ben, the camera guys lead him to every single idol, essentially helping him win.

  • @evieee6
    @evieee6 Před 2 lety +3

    I feel like it was against the rules when Jeff took Colby’s American Flag in exchange for rice in season 2 because first of all, it was Colby’s luxury item, and second of all, Colby didn’t even offer it up, Jeff added it into the negotiation.

    • @dylantd9189
      @dylantd9189 Před 2 lety

      I don't think it was against the rules. Just plan weird.

    • @bencalebrod
      @bencalebrod Před 2 lety

      Colby happily agreed to it though.

  • @grantharriman284
    @grantharriman284 Před 2 lety +1

    As a board and trading card game veteran I love this kind of dive into the rules and figure out who is TECHNICALLY correct... the best kind of correct.

  • @captainpotatochips1367
    @captainpotatochips1367 Před rokem +1

    1:33 "It's just better to be cool than be a stickler for a rule"
    Adam in WaW: *so that was a f-cking lie*

  • @GordyByGordy
    @GordyByGordy Před 2 lety +3

    Technically Mike didn't "PLAY" the idol before the vote. He asked Jeff a question. All Jeff said is he can't verify it unless Mike plays it.

    • @eclecticsteak
      @eclecticsteak Před 2 lety +1

      if you can’t play the idol after the votes are read, how can you play it before the votes are cast?

  • @sarabertschinger6853
    @sarabertschinger6853 Před 2 lety +1

    I have never watched survivor. Have i been binge watching all the survivor videos on this channel? Yes. Yes i have

  • @everettpinon9871
    @everettpinon9871 Před 2 lety +4

    What about when in game changers JT got up out of his chair in the middle of tribal to talk to Brad making the first live tribal

  • @TimTeemo
    @TimTeemo Před 2 lety +2

    I love FairPlay’s shirt in the interview, “She died dude” best of his moments

  • @dragondog3180
    @dragondog3180 Před 2 lety +3

    The letter Tai found with the Hidden Immunity Idol in season 32 actually shows the rules on how to use the idol and it says that it must be used after the votes have been cast, but before the votes are read. And though it has always been used that way, except when that rule was broken, I have never seen the rule explicitly stated on the show before. I've only seen what they have done. But now it is obviously clear that that is the rule. Or at least that was the rule that season.

  • @BungtwinginglyFunny
    @BungtwinginglyFunny Před rokem +1

    At first I was thinking why would you ever play the idol before the votes, but then I realized that forcing people not to vote for you opens up cracks in a "Solid" alliance if you're on the outs, which I'm guessing Ben was.

    • @sophiam642
      @sophiam642 Před 9 měsíci

      I forget the exact number but I’m pretty sure Ben voted alone and played idols most of the merge

  • @BeautiBow
    @BeautiBow Před 10 měsíci +1

    Public Service Announcement. The Golden Rule applies to Hollywood; whoever has the Gold Makes the Rules.

  • @Loogaroo1
    @Loogaroo1 Před 2 lety +2

    I remember watching Ben play the idol before the vote and thinking, "Wouldn't it be hilarious if Jeff yeeted the idol into the fire because Ben didn't follow the directions?"

    • @Grunkaa1
      @Grunkaa1 Před 2 lety +1

      If that happened a producer in the background would have another one on his seat waiting for him

  • @HonkeyTonTon
    @HonkeyTonTon Před 2 lety +4

    How about latest season when those who "won" a challenge end up disadvantaged because of some stupid bottle twist.
    When losing is the best strategy the producers have messed up

  • @alexboiiii
    @alexboiiii Před 2 lety +3

    the swedish version of Survivor has degraded so bad. a couple of seasons ago there was a guy who was crushing every single immunity challenge. everyone wanted him out but he held on due to being immune for every tribal council. soooo... the producers did a surprise second vote where his immunity wasn't valid anymore. naturally he got every single vote and was kicked off due to the production not wanting him to win the entire thing. they do a bunch of weird stuff like this nowadays to control the outcome. it's sad really, especially since sweden started the original "Survivor"

  • @ErinMoran94
    @ErinMoran94 Před 2 lety +1

    Rupert stated in the commentary for Pearl Islands is that the cameraman allowed to take the fancier shoes but not the tennis shoes.

  • @jennifermarie3158
    @jennifermarie3158 Před 3 měsíci

    Something nobody talks about enough is how much of a kill joy Andrew Savage is. I can't remember a single scene in Survivor where he's not complaining, being dull, and/or sucking all the joy out of the space. It is beyond me how he ever got brought back for second chances. To think, we could have had Shane!

  • @ricardothompson3205
    @ricardothompson3205 Před 2 lety +5

    Jeff wanted Ben to win. because of the story.

  • @itsnobodyy
    @itsnobodyy Před 2 lety +3

    Hi Peridiam! Just wanted to say CZcams hasn’t been recommending your videos to me even though I’m subscribed so I completely forgot you existed lol. Felt like I needed to let you know for some reason cuz I love your channel so I’m glad I’m back. Got a lot to catch up on!

    • @Peridiam
      @Peridiam  Před 2 lety +1

      Huh, that's strange. Oh well, glad you're back! Enjoy the vids!

  • @moviemaniac14
    @moviemaniac14 Před 2 lety +4

    You should definitely do an update or 2.0 when it comes to Robbed Goddesses because Jenny should definitely be on that list as production pretty much are the main ones responsible for that gaffe.

  • @ericgrimes341
    @ericgrimes341 Před 2 lety +1

    I love the whole tribe spends time with the other for someone’s birthday. Hats so wholesome!!

  • @jaymmzzs
    @jaymmzzs Před 9 měsíci +2

    The show did all they could for ben to win , jeff had a man crush ...But they change rules so much it is crazy , check out how they rig the australia survivor,

  • @jsltv9048
    @jsltv9048 Před dnem

    I believe in the 28 Cagayan merge Tony asks to validate his idol and Jeff says it’s an idol than he says he wants to play it for LJ, rather than Jeff waiting for Tony to decide who he’ll play it for and then saying whether it’s legit or not

  • @CarlosVardi
    @CarlosVardi Před 2 lety +2

    This video was so well thought out! I’m such a fan Peridiam

  • @JohannHitz
    @JohannHitz Před 5 měsíci

    Survivor Mount Rushmore’s
    Villan types: Richard Hatch, Tony Vlachos, Boston Rob, Sandra Diaz-Twine, Parvati Shallow
    Hero types: J.T. Thomas, John Cochran, Tyson Apostal, Yul Kwon, Natalie Anderson

  • @user-xj1wb3li9t
    @user-xj1wb3li9t Před měsícem

    These are some of the best moments in Survivor. Jeff is one of the greatest game hosts of all time because as producer he can allow off the wall stuff on the fly.

  • @JeyroyLenkinss
    @JeyroyLenkinss Před 2 lety +6

    I LOVED Rupert stealing shoes. I was so upset that they never talked about it during the show!

  • @Sparticus142
    @Sparticus142 Před 2 lety +12

    I’m not sure if was a full rule break but I was so surprised that Missy was allowed to stay in the game in San Juan Del Sur when she was no longer able to compete in the challenges (and literally on crutches).

    • @0pacbig32
      @0pacbig32 Před 2 lety +1

      It was said on the show that there wasn't that much time left in the game so that's why she stayed. Missy probably wouldn't have won any of the challenges anyway.

    • @alcyone2129
      @alcyone2129 Před 2 lety +6

      I think if the injury/illness isn’t deemed life-threatening by the medical team, it’s up to the contestant if they stay in the game or not, and having a broken ankle is inconvenient, but not necessarily dangerous. Similarly, in Philippines, Dana leaving the game is technically a quit and not a medevac, since medical cleared her to stay if she wanted to because she didn’t need immediate treatment.

    • @zjzr08
      @zjzr08 Před 2 lety

      It's not life-threatening although at the end it is deemed by Jury members as a negative (although people not being fond of Missy probably just reinforced that perception).

  • @LazerDude
    @LazerDude Před 9 měsíci +1

    I was thinking about the one time sugar, basically stole an idol she had given it to Ace and went through his bag and took it back and then voted him out. We’re nowadays you always need to have verbal confirmation that you were giving it to someone and yet sugars basically just stole it without that.

  • @desirae827
    @desirae827 Před 2 lety +2

    "But why? Because f*** you. The Aitu 4 are way more likable." Pretty much lol

  • @Sean-zm6gp
    @Sean-zm6gp Před 2 lety +1

    forgot the biggest rulebreak possible when they robbed xander of his well deserved win just for the sake of inclusivity.

  • @claymiller9707
    @claymiller9707 Před 2 lety +1

    Imagine how different Survivor would've been if Penner or someone on Raro just said "Well, technically, Aitu is vulnerable too, so let's just vote out Ozzy!"

  • @TheOscar401
    @TheOscar401 Před 2 lety +1

    people in the comments are saying that ben played his idol and mike only asked to validate his idol but in cagayan, at the merge tribal( sarah blindside) tony asked jeff to validate his idol and he technically hadnt played it yet

  • @CaptShriver
    @CaptShriver Před 4 měsíci

    I loved it when Phillip the FBI agent won. One of my all time fav. contestants

  • @caidenmagill1006
    @caidenmagill1006 Před 2 lety +1

    I was literally thinking about ben playing all his idols in 35 earlyer today and i was like they must've been so annoyed

  • @HD.O.G
    @HD.O.G Před 2 měsíci

    That is so unbelievably funny that there’s a rule saying that they can change whatever they want whenever they want because that just enforces the fact that they choose who wins the game they influence the entire time. It’s not a fair game. Everyone doesn’t have an equal chance at the start, that shits rigged from day one as soon as they find who’s gonna be the fan favorite

  • @scottneeley4160
    @scottneeley4160 Před 2 lety +4

    I think everyone is forgetting the most important rule of all…”producers have the right to change rules at any time” so really they didn’t break any rules. They used the rule that said they could change them.

  • @lvx720
    @lvx720 Před rokem

    Imma point to Magic. There are extensive, precise, extremely clear rules. Most cards, and all blue cards, basically say "you can break the rules as follows:"

  • @uri0606
    @uri0606 Před 2 lety +1

    Aitu 4 were cooler? lol they were a total mess and boring as hell, but producers just wanted to save their precious Ozzy. Parvati completely nailed the situation by calling it "Not fun and not very cool". I guess that's also why Jeff hated her for years.

  • @hatten3762
    @hatten3762 Před rokem

    bro the only reason he said no to mike was cause production obviously knew it was a fake idol and so jeff would have to either lie or expose him if he were to answer, neither of which production wants

  • @grantthram6289
    @grantthram6289 Před 2 lety +1

    Ben confirmed his idol by playing it, Mike didn’t play his idol, simply asked if it could be confirmed. Jeff responded “I cannot confirm if it is real, unless you are playing it.

    • @Peridiam
      @Peridiam  Před 2 lety

      Ben wasn’t allowed to play his idol when he did. Jeff should’ve told him to wait until after the votes were cast.

  • @TruthBeliever1God
    @TruthBeliever1God Před 3 měsíci

    So true! Thank you for saying "the rule of cool always wins"!

  • @jacquephine1926
    @jacquephine1926 Před 2 lety +2

    skims through to find Survivor 41's merge episode

  • @GlyphicEnigma
    @GlyphicEnigma Před 2 lety +12

    Have there been enough instances where the tribal council vote tied that you could make a video about them? I can remember like 2 times that's happened and the two people who tied had to compete to remain in the game. I think a video on those (if that's happened enough times) would be pretty interesting :)

    • @babis6919
      @babis6919 Před 2 lety

      You probably mean the firemaking challenge in final 4. Before it became a thing for every season,there used to be a vote in the final 4 and if 2 people tied there would not be a revote as there usually is. Instead the 2 people that tied would compete on the firemaking challenge and the winner would earn their spot in the final 3

  • @lilnerdboy69
    @lilnerdboy69 Před 8 měsíci

    4:13 Jeff doesn't say he can't play it before the vote, he just says he can't verify if its an idol or not until Mike plays it.