Beyond Canon - Four Kids (and a Game They Played Together)
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- BEYOND CANON - New Homestuck album, available at Bandcamp now.
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LYRICS:
it’s been a little bit since the last time we all talked
so...how are all of you doing?
i know that i have been a bit unkind to you all
and i’m trying to undo it
we thought this ended years ago but it survived
i've forgotten far too often why i even recognize these faces
that don't have names placed with them
inside my hazy brain, but then
there's too much to begin to touch on here
i’m
pulled back
once again
and i told myself,
told myself,
told myself
i wouldn’t be on this adventure
but i’m haunted by
all of these memories
that i have of four kids
and the game they played together
i burned the bridges thoroughly but still everyone's trusting me again
and i should be relieved but it happened so suddenly
and i know in my heart i haven't earned this,
but everyone acts like my concern isn't a problem
like nothing is wrong with my very involvement
but i know how the song ends
i can’t begin to list the times that i’ve walked
along this road and concluded
that nothing that i’ve done here will make sense, in the end
but i find that kind of soothing
CREDITS:
Track by rj lake
spellbang - Hudba
they did, in fact, play a game.
so theres these four kids and they play a game together
funniest sh
saddest shit I’ve ever seen
sad shit indeed
@@D3V1LUK1JO indeed
indeed
I think the part that hits hardest is the realization that the instruments associated with Rose(violin's strings plucked), Dave(Heavy Bass and beats), and Jade(Guitar) are all present, but there's not a single bit of piano in the entire song.
* oooohh ...
what about the beginning
4:05
You can actually hear the piano a couple of times, but it's super subdued and in the background.
Yes. Just yes
This song is about Meat John. Spoilers below.
John is depressed. He's lost contact with his friends and has become a shut in. But the memories of his past, of his past adventures. They constantly call him to action when there is no "Action" so speak of until it finally arrives. The faces without names are the thousands of Dream Ghosts John sees in his dreams. Characters like Nepeta, Equius, Tavros, all of the Dancestors. People outside of his little part of the story important yet also completely irrelevant.
John has this feeling of dread going in because he knows this won't be like his other adventures so he tries the little he can to reconnect with everyone before going off on an adventure that he knows will be his last.
The final lyrics are just "Its been a little bit since the last...". John dies. His friends have no idea where he went except for Terezi and he just slips into irrelevancy as if he were nothing. The whole song is an Elegy for John.
holy fuck thats so sad aghh
I think it's about Hussie. Or, more ambiguously, author of Homestuck.
"We thought this ended years ago but it survived"
-Homestuck finished in 2016, but here we are in 2020, continuing the story.
"And I told myself, told myself, told myself I would not be on this adventure"
-It was ended, they thought it was over, but on it goes.
"I can't begin to list the times that I've walked
Along this road and concluded
That nothing that I've done here will make sense, in the end
But I find that kind of soothing"
-They've thought about many ways to end the story, but none of them make sense. Homestuck will never make sense, and they've accepted that. It's time to see where the story goes regardless.
(PS: if you listen on Bandcamp, they finish the final sentence. "... the last time". It's just cut in this vid.)
So, I firmly believe it's from the perspective of the author of Homestuck. I can see the argument for John, but like, I disagree with it.
@@Wiebejamin What makes you think Hussie considers himself "undeserving" of his readers' trust and like HS^2 is his attempt to make amends with the fandom? Homestuck^2 is just as reader-hostile and facetious as the original ever was, or apparently more so considering how personally offended the fandom got by the April update. This is the same guy that joked about how he cranked out enough content to take a 13 year hiatus and put fantrolls from kickstarter backers in a flashback sequence where they died immediately.
Meat!John is the correct take.
john is good
I never thought a yt comment would make me sob
Waving my phone with the flashlight on back and forth to this song ladds
okay but this song actually made me very????? emotional?????
IT HAS LYRICS
*SCREECHING*
these lyrics have a lot of dimensions to me; a lot of potential interpretations - like, this could be from the perspective of john, an author (one of the authors of homestuck), a reader (the real audience of homestuck), or even mspa reader, perhaps all four coinciding at once!
"it’s been a little bit since the last time we all talked
so...how are all of you doing? i know that i have been a bit unkind to you all and i’m trying to undo it" sounds like the theme of distancing explored in the epilogues - like, friend groups sort of distancing from each other, becoming inactive, falling apart; this seems to be john meeting up with the other beta kids and talking with them, feeling guilty about not keeping in contact with them, likely detaching himself from people and reality because of his depression, but he's talking to them again, trying to work on it; though this could also be from the other povs - an author asking the homestuck fandom how they're doing and saying they're trying to undo some of the story beats they've created; a reader reconnecting with an author and regretting how they've treated them; or mspa reader talking to homestuck's cast and regretting some of the mistakes they've made along the way
"we thought this ended years ago but it survived
, i've forgotten far too often why i even recognize these faces that don't have names placed with them, inside my hazy brain, but then there's too much to begin to touch on here" is a line that could be from the perspective of john, the reader, mspa reader, or even an author - the person is saying that people thought homestuck ended years back but it's still continuing, and they're also saying that people thought the conflict within homestuck - essentially, antagonism/having an antagonist (lord english, the condesce) and likely other things such as death and suffering - ended years ago, but it's still pervasive and existent on earth c, the epilogues, and other realities like hiveswap and pesterquest; additionally, the person speaking seems to feel confused about the cast and story surrounding them, unable to fully verbalize what they're feeling
"i’m
pulled back once again, and i told myself, told myself, told myself i wouldn’t be on this adventure, but i’m haunted by all of these memories that i have of four kids and the game they played together" sounds more like something from the perspective of the reader, mspa reader, or an author, though it could still be john in some sense - the reader, mspa reader, and author are reflecting on themselves and the past, lamenting the fact that they're still on board with the "adventure" that is homestuck; they still keep reading/writing/falling assbackwards into it/screwing with the story even though they feel like they shouldn't be after all this time, yet they're haunted by homestuck and its very origin: the beta kids and the game they played, which kicked off homestuck itself; alternatively, john could be saying that he's haunted by the past, of the game that he played with his friends because of the trauma that he endured during it
"i burned the bridges thoroughly but still everyone's trusting me again
, and i should be relieved but it happened so suddenly, and i know in my heart i haven't earned this, but everyone acts like my concern isn't a problem, like nothing is wrong with my very involvement" is something that could also be from all four perspectives; john lamenting about how he burned the bridges of his relationships by distancing himself too much for too long, yet his friends trusting him so quickly after meeting up with them again, which he sees as sudden and undeserved - his friends are likely reassuring him, telling him that it's okay and that they forgive him, but he's concerned and still feels like he shouldn't be doing any of this at all; a reader possibly reflecting on their poor treatment of one of the authors or fellow readers, yet being forgiven quickly; or mspa reader stating that they burned bridges by fucking around with the story and characters, yet everyone is still trusting them from the audience to homestuck's cast; or an author, telling of how they burned bridges by extending homestuck's story beyond canon (cough cough) and into the epilogues and homestuck 2, yet the audience trusts them and they have authority regardless
"i can’t begin to list the times that i’ve walked
along this road and concluded that nothing that i’ve done here will make sense in the end, but i find that kind of soothing" could be from all perspectives too; john feeling like nothing he has done throughout the course of his life has made sense; the reader/mspa reader saying that nothing they've done during homestuck's journey has made any sense; or an author feeling like nothing that they've added onto homestuck's story makes any sense - however, all of these people are soothed by the nonsensical, chaotic state of existence that they lead overall
this is probably WAY too god damn long, but i've never made a homestuck song analysis before, so i figured i'd just poop one out here lmao
I like how you offer the perspective of the mspa reader/you, which the whole song can be about if you think about it.
thanks komaeda nagito, very cool
John gets done dirty, no matter what route you take
this... this just feels like hussie
maybe i'm reading into it too much, but the more i listen to it i find more and more reason to believe its hussie. look at the whole song from his perspective, and how it all fits together
but then again, we could all relate to this, cant we?
so i'm probably reading into it too much, but, meh.
i'll just believe it anyway.
alright after the new update i can see that hussie has in fact, gone fucking insane
I'm sorry. I read "New Homestuck Album" and I lost it
This, to me, could almost be from a reader surprised by HS^2, but it really seems like John singing to me more than that - which is kind of funny given that John's probably the closest to a reader stand-in among the major characters. So now I can't unhear this as adult John's singing voice.
the lyrics are written in john's quirk
I know a lot of people are considering this to be about John, or Hussie, but let me pose another possibility, this is about Dirk.
Dirk told himself he wouldn't become like Bro, he wouldn't become the villain. He always knew he had this level of potential, but never wanted to be /that guy/ thus the "I wouldn't be on this adventure" he doesn't consider himself to be the same Dirk he once was, so he's haunted by the memories of four kids and a game they played together.
All these faces without names placed to them could be the alternate Dirks who he fused with, or the experiences they had before dying, versions of his friends he never knew but now does.
Dirk burned the bridges thoroughly, but I imagine when they find him they'll be happy to see him again, rather than angry at him, (Not Kanaya, but most of them) thus the "still everyone's trusting me again"
It could also refer to the fact that Dirk wasn't exactly the kindest to the people around him in either meat or candy, yet everyone was still friendly towards him which he felt was unnatural, and that may have been calliope's fault due to her stories and being a muse of space.
Dirk knows that what he's doing may be a bad idea, but in his eyes it's preferable over the alternative. Thus the "nothing that I do here will make sense in the end, but I find that kinda soothing" part.
And finally the main part that tells me this is about Dirk is the part where its like "and I know in my heart that I don't deserve this, like my involvement isn't a problem. But I know how the song ends."
Dirk knows he doesn't deserve to be loved still, with the way he treats everyone. He doesn't deserve to have these friends in his eyes. No one else sees a problem though, and this frustrates him. He knows how the song ends, leaving them all behind eventually.
I could be wrong, but that's my impression.
I thought this too!
no yeah i was about to type out basically exactly this lol. we know this is dirks album, his record is the one in the player on the album art, who knows Maybe UltDirk is still sentimental for his old Vent-track he made so he kept it in here, it would also explain the little voice-layering effect he's doing, since that fits with that Multiplicity theme they love hammering into everything about dirk lol. we also know he likes making his own music. maybe he was feeling experimental with this one.
Why not all of the above and more ?
It might talks about us too.
Many of us old fans had a bad start with Homestuck 2, the epilogues were a punch of the face and prepared us for the worst. Heck, some of us never digested the end of Homestuck.
We could have told ourselves to not be on the adventure and follow it...In fact, many of us decided to not be part of this... Yet, here we are again, still haunted by four kids and the games they played together...
So I'm willing to say this song is probably for John, Dirk, Hussie and us, the MSPAReaders.
The thing is, Dirk needing to be the most important is the whole problem he has in the first place. And nobody trusts him by h^2, even his traveling companions.
too deep
Plot twist: it's actually Roxy
oh my god ur right
Here's my possibly scuffed analysis of the song.
Something probably happens related to Jane, maybe, unlikely but maybe, Ult!Dirk. In the Candy Timeline, the original four kids meet back up, prompting some awkward first conversations. (0:18 - 0:54)
Candy!John can't say no anymore to the prospect of going on another, maybe not as large, adventure with the people he grew up with. He was depressed for the longest time, hating that nothing was going on. He thought there had to be something greater for him, just like before. (0:58 - 1:33)
He's onboard, and suddenly, just like before, everyone's perfectly fine following him. He doesn't know why, as he did so much to make every despise him, why is he the only one that feels the consequences of his actions? 90% sure there's gonna be a throwback, "i'm not your leader!" followed by someone, most likely Rose, saying "Statements like that are why you are our leader." (1:54 - 2:14)
Candy!John comes to terms with the fact that there might not be anything greater out there for him after all, and what he is doing is ultimately meaningless, but still worth doing anyway. After all, if your adventure has no stakes, there's really nothing to lose by going on it. (2:14 - 2:31)
it's hussie i think... listening to the lyrics of how he ended the whole reader author interaction via burned bridges, concluded the story, and stuff like the haunted by memories of 4 kids, and how he knows how the song ends despite telling himself that he doesn't want to be part of this adventure anymore
Honestly feels like Hussie/whoever's in charge of HS2 singing
Hussie is in charge of HS^2 with some other people yeah
It totally feels like hussie
I don't think the tone or the message involved in the song carries Hussie very well.
Seeing all this disagreement in comments, so I'll just chip in I feel like this is unambiguously from Meat!John's perspective
People have such a weird, entitlement-tinged misunderstanding of Hussie's personality that they wish this were him trying to ingratiate himself with MSPA fans. But yeah, Meat!John's perspective is the only one that works.
agreed
In October 2023 Homestuck^2 came back as Homestuck Beyond Canon with a new team, and this song came back to me. James Roach, the readers, John, whatever, whoever is still here is still feeling haunted by these four kids and their game.
happy 413 im in a call and im about to cry because of this song ushfuiobfieuoigdjycbuofn
*[CRIES]*
Happy 413 y’all 😔
It's great but I'm a little confused as to who's supposed to be singing. Is it John? Dirk? I guess I must be missing the point entirely if I don't even know who it is, huh
I think it applies to multiple people in the comic- it’s up to the listener to decide who’s singing it
i think it applies to john because the lyrics in the bamdcamp site is a lot like john's typing pattern, but i think it is up to interpretation!
The "-that nothing that i’ve done here will make sense, in the end
, but i find that kind of soothing" is definitely John. Also, John was depressed that nothing was happening anymore. I think that John really wants to have another adventure, even though he settled down and tried to convince himself he didn't. "Something is finally fucking happening, and he's finally awake enough to appreciate it."
I think it's actually meant to be from the actual singer's perspective (and by extension, the fandom at large). This might be a boring interpretation, but also maybe the intended one?
The first verse really brings to mind, at least for me, someone who got over their homestuck phase after the comic ended, and maybe even decided that they hated the comic altogether for a while. Then the chorus is the feeling of suddenly being rocketed back into it as the epilogues and then hs2 come out and you remember why you loved this dumb comic about twenty kids (and the games they played together). It feels almost wrong to like Homestuck again, but also so comforting and so right.
Then the second verse seems to relate to the singer's personal experience of not only witnessing the resurgence of Homestuck, but then also being a part of the team(!) and making music. Even if a lot of us didn't like the execution of the Epilogues, the idea of it was still a good one. The story is in our hands. We love it so much - sometimes even more than the original author did - and it's always been our place to create, but now more than ever. rj lake is making homestuck today, and all of us are making homestuck yesterday and tomorrow.
Or maybe it's about Candy!John and I just think I'm deep. Either way, good song.
IMO it's most fitting for Hussie himself.
0:00 - 1:35: sad atmosphere, slow pace
1:36: its time to get _f u n k y_
funkytown
Bruh I'm sitting here crying over a song at 9 am it's too early for this
don’t say we didn’t warn you.
this give me sad adventure time finn vibe
Well I'm back here again, happy 13th birthday Homestuck, you refuse to fully exit my brain.
this video haunts me, it returns every year, and every year I forget what it's about, and every year I cry, I cry because I too am haunted by memories of four kids playing a game together
part of me wants to read hoemstuck^2, parts of me want to continue the story, read the epilogues, I've read homestuck, I've played hiveswap (both), I've played pesterquest, there's only two things left, but I'm scared to open pandora's box
I've heard so many horrible things about it, and so I'm worried, I don't want to ruin the story for myself, and yet just like this song, I feel like just ignoring it entirely when the fanbase moves on without me just feels wrong
I see fanart and theories I don't understand, I see jokes and references I don't get, either I stay where I am now or I leave and start this new adventured, being dragged through whatever mud it's involved with
I cannot escape what is already here
yeah
id say, you should read it, but like, im not gonna lie, it is pretty bad imo, HOWEVER, there is stuff that is interesting and genuinely cool in the beyond canon thing.
tho it is dead, like, its not finished nor gonna be finished im pretty sure at this point :/
also, dont sweat about the fandom tho, like, i didnt play pesterquest or friendsim, and ive just watched others play hiveswap. i think the best is reading fanventures honestly, and talking to friends about it
homestuck man, why am i even emotionally attached to it... * sigh*
Can't believe it's been a whole year already. This is such a beautiful song, it really brings back the feelings of Homestuck.
Peeps in the comments: It's John singing!
Me:
*T H E H U S S . . .*
Me, an intellectual: _The singer_
@@SoupyLenny Me, a true intellectual: *_t h e_*
Me, an ignorant fool: music? Music.
sound
I told myself, told myself, told myself I wouldn't listen again...but here I am with the 7th time listening to this in a row
depressed john recieveing the news he gotta go back to canon but the trauma...
Ok Im convinced this is meat john after the burning bridges but everyone still trusts me and how no one cares about the problems he is dealing with.
Funny, I was just thinking about how I cant remember certain faces of people that are pretty much the equivalent of Homestuck characters and how Id just use their Homestuck names that they eerily reflect to detach myself from them further, and also have been dealing with how the adventure ended for me, in a sense.. like one specific thing I was thinking was how Homestuck 2 might change for me now that Ive accepted those people arent my friends anymore, since I am literally in Terezis boat.
honestly I interpret this song as Hussie himself hinting that the adventure isnt necessarily over for me and I dont know whether to be concerned or not.
Maybe a more accurate perspective would be Hussie kind of speaking for the fans almost empathically.
Every beta kid's instrument is played, except for Jade
There's a bit of guitar at 1:36 , but I don't know if it's a bass...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the instruments even appear in the same order the kids are introduced, right?
Piano
Violine
Beats/Percussion and Guitar
(Of course Dave and Jade are not actually introduced simultanously, but still.)
This is soo John it hurts xd. I dont know which John, though. ¿Maybe Candy! John? idk.
john egbert
sounds like a musical...
and some people said the lyrics could be about john, specifically meatjohn, that makes sense, but
harry anderson
just
harry anderson
could this song be about candyjohn then?
the most likely thing is that the song is about most of the cast actually, and obviously the more interpretations the more the lyrics get vague and represent more meaning than once thought
i think that this is a song about a lot of things, mostly drifting apart and doing stuff you dont understand, and its kinda tragic i guess, but it still has a "john" focused vibe, which makes sense becuz john is the most protagonistyy
EDIT: yeah this feels very candyjohn when it says: "i burned the bridges thoroughly but still everyone's trusting me again
/and i should be relieved but it happened so suddenly/and i know in my heart i haven't earned this,/but everyone acts like my concern isn't a problem/like nothing is wrong with my very involvement", kinda feels like candyjohn being suspicious of the candy timeline, while at the same time it could have different meanings, but i still believe this song has a focus on candyjohn and just is expressing more themes than just candyjohn
this makes me feel feelings.
i honestly think with all my heart that this song is about the MSPA reader towards Homestuck and other MSPA readers/fans
Liked, favorited, commenting.
Truely favorite.
this song legit made me fucking cry
i dont know why but it did
Everyone says it's John, but I don't see how it isn't obviously Hussie?
This is amazing. I'm gonna go cry now
this song is a remaster of one of rj's old songs but with added lyrics with the same name
I wan't to believe this is from Hussie's perspective, but I can't imagine how Hussie and/or rj would come to the decision of making it
Well I'm gonna play this on repeat till I'm out of tears
Happy 4/13 guys
I just believe it's Hussie, but it seems like John.
I love this so much what the fuck!! I really like how this album has a lot of songs with more singers but still keeps the Homestuck vibes!!
HAPPY 413! >:O
this is canonically johns voice
kinda feels like it could be the player avatar from pesterquest too
My child, you are breaking my heart.
idk why but this song feels like its for dirk for me
alot if people are saying meat john but wouldnt candy john make more sense
Wait, oh my god,
DAVESPRITE!?!?!?!?
happy 413 lol :D
I don’t think this about John. John doesn’t use conjunctions but this song uses wouldn’t and I’m. Also, John wouldn’t refer to him rose dave and jade as 4 kids. He it would be “me and my 3 friends”
I mean they aren't kids anymore and honestly it'd be easy for him to refer to his younger self in a third person since they pretty much arent the same person anymore as of the epilogues. Hell halfway through Homestuck i'd say john and the others weren't the same characters as the start of the comic
I really need to ask this. Did the singer *mean* to sound drunk here, or were they just stoned out of their gourd?
the song is about Hussie, but consideri ng Hussie wrote the lines for John and Dirk, it can be reasonably interpreted to be about them too
reeeeee theres singign njovenwjlsgnpl
I'm crying
4:06 totally not concerning at all...
me and my homies when we playing minecraft during the discord call
This a second before the number, unacceptable.
John... Game Over.
Thanks for playing
How sad this is 4:14 long instead of 4:13
Why did you cut off the end nerd
holy fuck i might just cry
I'm REALLY interested in what kind of words the singer says here 4:06 . They sound very heavy and tired.
"It's been a little bit since the last-" and it cuts off.
@@justswift5369 Thanks! Oh, it just first words of song. How curious
This is the mspareader anthem everyone
This song is about the MSPA Reader because I believe ^2 and Epilogues are not canon dab
if hiveswap and pesterquest are canon, hs^2 and the epilogues are canon because of all of the referances
Stop fighting over what the song means. It means all of those things.
RIGHT like this is HOMESTUCK GUYS u dont gotta put one definition to absolutely any of the 8000 pages
4:14 agagahavahagahagagaghbh why
Oh fuck. 🥺
* /AAAAAHHSHSJSHJ/ /PIANGISCE/🧡🧡🧡🧡
Obviously nobody knows the deep lore that this is canon to be about RJ Lake
Happy fucking 413 3v3ryon3 :DDDDD
I love this song and all but I gotta admit the voice part at 0:22 is kind of out of tune
heh it's 4 minutes and 13 seconds long
Everyone's making an analysis about who's singing this
I honestly jist think it's hussie :P
* Juuuuuunnneeeeee!!!!!!!! ti adoro!!!!!
Mamalo
* June............
Honestly, this song's pretty bad.
This song is absolutely from Hussie's perspective
Not agree at all, but I wish it will