Low Budget Trigger Pad DIY (E-drums)
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- Build a dual trigger pad for your electronic drumset with basic materials on a low budget. This short tutorial video will be your guide.
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Trigger Cone: goo.gl/KiMOcd
Piezos: goo.gl/ygKpkJ
Decoupler: goo.gl/5wliFO
Mesh Head: goo.gl/pLKky2
Download link wiring diagram: www.v-drumtips.com/?page_id=26
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The pad triggers quiet good. But compare to the other pads, we made in previous videos, this pad can not deliver the same results, which is mostly related to the DIY decoupler. If you want to build a low budget system out of wood, try to fit in the R-DRUMS decoupler.
Although this pad is still good enough for beginners and low budget projects, and it is easy to make.
This is an excellent video. And you make it look easy :)
Managed to knock on of these together in about half an hour and it works great! Also love your content man!
Thanks for the creative solution to making a low-cost trigger for an acoustic drum. Very helpful!
+yabewb Thanks for the nice feedback!
Hi! have you tought about making a diy e-cymbal? would be cool to see
very excellent tips....easy to know the trick
What would advise on using roto toms? I have a couple and i thought selling them or swap them for conventional toms.
I studied this video and used it as the bases for creating my own A to E project. However, the result was an under performing output, which caused me to search for reasons why and make kaizen (improvement) to the project.
What I discovered was all Piezo are not the same. There are specifications relative to piezo which need to be adhered to in order to obtain a working result in A to E conversions. One needs to understand the Piezo specifications KHz, Ohms, exc. relative to the Piezo they are purchasing for such a project. Roland does not list its Piezo specifications, however others with successful aftermarket applications do, so pay close attention when purchasing piezo for your conversion.
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These specs seem to work best with Roland modules:
Resonant Frequency: 2.9 KHz
Resonant Impedance: Maximum 300 Ohms
Many of the aftermarket piezo sold as inexpensive replacements are in the 5 to 10 KHz range and 400 and higher, Ohms resistance, which is why they don't work well for A to E drum conversions.
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Lastly, one revision I would recommend:... I replaced the adjustable L brackets on this assembly, with the deployment of a metal elevator bolt (like that found as the feet of washing machines). This revision allowed simple adjustment of the contact surface of the Head piezo foam to the drum head. I used a round dense, foam, about 25mm in height, as decoupler between the head of the elevator bolt and the washer that supports the head piezo. This system revision is much simpler to manage than stacking head decoupler foam and using L brackets located at either end of the e converter bar to acquire proper head contact. Further, it can be easily adjusted after installation if there are issues with head contact.
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Thanks Very much V drum tips, for providing excellent video for the remainder of us to use as our guide for A to E conversion.
"I used a round dense, foam, about 25mm in height, as decoupler between the head of the elevator bolt and the washer that supports the head piezo"
Would you mind explaining the purpose of a decoupler? I'm new to edrums and looking to DIY as well. I'm mostly trying to emulate the UFO brand ebridge trigger system. I have a foam cone, do you just put this on top of the piezo which is on top of the elevator bolt platform? Or does something else need to go in between the platform. Thanks for the tips!
@@mapex311 The de-coupler is meant to isolate the two piezos, so that it does not trigger(as much) the rim piezo when hitting the head and vise versa.
Even now, your videos are so helpful, thank you ;v
Nice work
Excelente vídeo. Qual cola você usou?
I love your videos. They are so helpful! Thank you for making them.
+Absenteefish Drums Thanks for your positive feedback:)
Hi, i tried to mod a 12" Black Hawk Gretsch snare, i got the rim piezo mounted on the shell instead of the central bracket, and it work pretty fine, but i can't get the stick sound out of the rim, i only get the rimshot.
Do i have to set a different sound into my module/vst or there's something i did wrong?
Or it's how it's intended to work, a rimshot or either a cross stick?
Manually setting the rim to play a sidestick work, but i see many others getting it working out of the box.
I double checked all the wirings.
Thanks... Great video... Drum On!!!
Thank you for all these great video's that you make ! :-)
+Werner Fraanje Thank you for watching:)
I am building a A2E conversion and your site is very interesting. I am using a Roland drum module and have a question regarding the diagram on the TRS. Based on the diagram the Ceramic part of the Head Piezo is connected on the Tip, while the Brass part is on the Sleeve. However based on your video tutorial it is the other way around. Please advise which is the correct? Thanks in advance
Do you have positional sensoring with this?
What size wooden bar would you recommend?
hello great video
I also did the same editing as you, but my Rim trigger does not sound on my ROLAND TD12
Do you know this problem?? thanks for an answerhello Tim great video
I also did the same editing as you, but my Rim trigger does not sound on my ROLAND TD12
Do you know this problem?? thanks for an answer
Hi! really nice videos! Do i need some kind of trigger-interface as well or is it possible to connect the drums in the module direct?
you connect it to a drum module.
your's system has two piezos with different diamaters. can you please tell which diameter did you use?
thank for this video God Bless Us
how much do you have to mount the piezo?
Where did you get the socket terminal at 1:07?
hi can anyone give me snare wiring diagram for Yamaha DTXpress? I've tried this but the rim shot didn't work :/
Would the wood be much less responsive than the metal in another trigger system. What I am asking is, would there be a big difference between wood and metal crossbar if all other components were the same (decoupler and trigger cone). Thanks.
+Luke Costello No, not really. The trigger result depends mostly on the piezos and the foam of decoupler and cone. I would never use DIY materials there. But you can indeed use wood.
You did mention that wooden block can be cut by cheap saw but you did not mention that screw were unscrewed by cheap electro screwdriver!
wonderful! This will help me put drums in my car!!!
**slaps steering wheel**
**slaps radio**
**slaps wife**
Epic drums ensue and wife does epic metal screams
why in the minute 4:02 connect the black wire in TIP?
the system can used for yamaha module ?
Great DIY video🙌🏻🙌🏻✨✨
Is that work on dtx?
Where did you get the adjust brackets
Nice!
I doubt I'll get a reply but it's worth a try. So I saw you used a foam cone for the middle piezo, but it's really expensive and I'd want to make my own. Do you think a cylinder would work aswell? or would I need to make a cone. Don't worry about it if you don't know, I can experiment a bit when I start this project.
I have used both with equal success. The foam cone used by Roland was designed to reduce hot spots and still provide full contact with the Piezo head. other geometric shapes will work however you may experience an increase in hot spot location at the center of the head. Very precise percussionists will find the hot spots annoying others who strike their drums hard, will probably never notice the hot spot. The other option is to use multiple piezo as side mount, which eliminates most hot spotting.
What are the sizes of those 2 piezo's?
Is there anyone in the US that sells that decoupler from R Drum? Or similar?
Do u have any advice on DIY cymbals or plan on making any videos? I'm interested in making my own cymbals but can't figure out how to create the choke or bell functions
+Dan T (RcKDrUmm3R) Thinking about it for a while, but it is not an easy subject if you want them to be perfect.A simple version would be sticking a piezo to a cymbal, cover it with rubber and play. But that would be too basic.
+Vdrum Tips Would u be able to do a crash with a choke (for example) with that method??
A choke requires some more parts. It is not a simple DIY. There are already some god basic diys on CZcams. If I make one it will be high end and hast to be as good as the professional products:)
Why the rim piezo must setted close to center??This act can give double triggerings.Why not glued at one side of internal drum shell??
How, if at all, would the wiring be different for an Alexis DM6? Thanks!
I have no idea. Never made one for the DM6. Check the v-drums.com forum.
i really like this video. i built a trigger system using reflection plate but it's not very good. any reason why the rim piezo needs to be close to the head piezo?
This is just for trigger accuracy when using high end modules like td-20/30.
+Vdrum Tips thanks for the tip.. what is the required polarity for the head piezo (i understand the rim piezo does not matter)?
the polarity for the rim piezo does not matter. The head piezo polarity can be found on vdrumtips.com as download pdf doc.
Is this will work for roland td6v?
Hi does this compatible with yamaha module?
Great video! Thanks to you...
Vdrum tips, please Help me! / I made trigger pad, following this video. Trigger cone works well, but the rim piezo doesn't respond. it is not piezo's problem, because when i changed arrange, it worked well... I tried all kind of pluging(by changing S,R,T line), but there wasn't solution. How can i fix it? I'm using stereo 5.5 plug, and roland td-6v module.
Probably wired up wrong. Do some research on the wiring and double check.
Okay..Thanks you! i'll try as you told.
What kind of foam should I use to make my own cones?
The foam has to move quickly, but I cannot tell you what foam it exactly is.
do you guys sell the triggers already made? if so how much for five?
no
Can be apply also with Alesis dm10? Thanks for nice video
Not sure
Vdrum Tips thanks
I am trying to build the same kind of trigger 'unit' like you have but i am failing to find metal angles. Were did you buy them? I live in the Netherlands. Did you buy them in Germany?
Found them.
Niels Willemse
Hoi Niels,
Waar heb je de hoeken gevonden?
@@oostingmr Ik heb ze bij Hornbach gevonden. Maar aangezien alles nu even stil ligt, ben ik er een paar kwijt en moet ik binnenkort weer langs.
Niels Willemse
Top! Dank je, ik ga op zoek.
@@oostingmr Graag gedaan, gevonden: Art. 8673898
I need the diagram please
Hi VT.
I'm new to e-drums and I'm wondering if it's possible to insulate a larger, full sized snare (as well as the toms) with pillows or acoustic panels to reduce our levels of "noise pollution".
Also, I've been limited to just a multi-pad (Alesis PercPad) and it's electronics are starting to malfunction (It's auto toggling it's options menu, midi, assign, sensitivity, etc but it's not affecting midi output or sounds). I opened it and the piezos are still in great condition, It's had little use over the years. Is it possible to reconnect the four piezos to four 1/4" jacks and connect them to a module ("ddrum DDTi Trigger Interface" or a "Megadrum")? I'd really appreciate a response from experts such as yourselves.
Thanks for the tips VT. You've got yourselves a new subscriber. :)
IoOrganism well on my limited knowledge of midi and a little common sense I would go and get a few of the piezoes and and a few throw away cables and see if you can connect one or two to midi and if that works then great as I wouldn’t just alter a piece of equipment that can be costly because you would have to link it into midi as midi are notes so It would likely need to be connected to an audio interface that has a midi in and out because if you just connected them to the piezoes it would just have a sound out put and no sample input, just my bit of knowledge to doing that
@@n1ghtmvre546 Hey, Thanks for the reply. I don't have spare cables so I'd need to buy them. I was thinking of using "J11 Input/Output Mono Jacks" like these, instead of cables. I don't know if guitar and e-drum mono output jacks are the same.
www.amazon.com/dp/B01HYBC6P4
The four PercPad piezos (they're still attached to the PercPad) connect to the main board via, if I recall correctly, a "4-Pin Relimate Connector" (it's a small white 4-pin connector that's around 1cm x 0.5cm). Ideally, if possible, I'd like to connect that 4-pin connector to four 1/4" jacks. Pintech makes "Single Zone Triggers and Jacks" for toms, that have a 1/4" jack that connects to a piezo via a 2-Pin Relimate Connector but it seems that soldering is my only solution here.
www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/TomTrigger--pintech-single-zone-trigger-and-jack
Though it would be a loss, The internal sounds aren't very important to me. I was only using the 5-pin midi out for triggering sounds in my DAW, Like a midi controller. I've just found this "E-Drum Cowbell DIY" Vdrum Tips video that seems to use the same idea that I have in mind. My only worry is that guitar and e-drums use different output jacks and I'll get the wrong ones. It may even be possible to rewire the PercPad's left, right, headphones and kick drum's 1/4" jacks to keep this all in the same case. I'd be connecting it to a drum module via 1/4" jacks, Like e-toms, so I probably wouldn't need to attach the piezos to a midi converter like in this video. czcams.com/video/X9EG-E6SDCk/video.html
Piezo what size?
Please tell me how to wire for use on a yamaha modul.
I have no idea actually. I would suggest checking vdrums.com forum.
Great. Why did you use two triggers at the snare? (Sorry. Im not a good english speaker)
Google for "dual zone drum pad"
Should I use a smaller piezo for the head like you did?
yes
@@Vdrumtips1 why ?
It is my first time to DIY a drum pad. I want to ask if where the drums sound coming from? Is in it in the piezo? or should need also an app software for the drum sound?
No, the piezo is only sending a signal and the module generates the sound. Read this post: www.v-drumtips.com/piezos/
+Vdrum Tips if piezo is only reading the signal. where the drum sound coming from?
From the module.
+Vdrum Tips actually i want to use the piezo in other equipment. i want to install the piezo inside the acoustic guitar to make a drum sound every time i tap the piezo. but i don't how the drum sound coming, what kind of module is that? is it a software?
"the piezo is only *sending* a signal and the *module generates the sound*."
"if piezo is only *reading* the signal. *where the drum sound coming from*?"
Bruh. Reading comprehension goes a long way, I would have stopped replying too.
is this Trigger DIY works with Alesis DM7x modules ?
Not sure
Vdrum Tips thanks for responding, Ive been really interested on maiking this exact same DIY trigger and Id like to know if that foam cone can be replaced with a piece of acoudtic foam cutted exactly like thay cone hahah
@@GatoPaint you can use any regular foam (the denser the foam is the more it will transmit vibration to piezo) the secret is how you can create a perfect cone shape with right density of foam so you'll have a good response at the same time eliminate hot spot. I used an AC spacer foam (industrial foam) works great.
Plz i need item list
Hi. Where can I buy the foam cone please?
R-drums.com or 682drums.com
Can I just solder the audio cable to the piezo?
Yes, you can do that.
What material is trigger con consists?
A fast moving foam.
Please tell me where I can buy these parts for make this trigger system. I am going to build me an hybrid drum set.
The links are in the description:)
where i can buy the dots or how you said ?
R-drums.com
Will this work on yamaha dtx502 module?
No
What is the material of the trigger cone?
A special kind of foam. But don't ask me what foam. It is one that moves back into shape fast.
hi, the piezo connects via stereo or mono jack?
Matteo vecchio Stereo, else you wont have 2 zones.
@@Vdrumtips1 so the output of the piezo is stereo ok .... but to connect it to a roland controller then I have to use a mono jack ??
hi .. at minute 5.13 the jack that enters the (female piezo jack) is mono or stereo?
which must be the size of the piezos?
which one? The size only does not matter. It is also the voltage and about the polarity. I would not buy stock piezos.
does this work on td4 module?
Yes
Is it illegal or do you need some type of licensing to sell a trigger system made to connect to a Roland/Alesis drum module?
Depends on the trigger system. Some of them are patented by Roland or other companies.
adding your branding decal makes you play at least 15% better
Qual o nome dessa esponja que faz o cone?
For anyone looking for the right material for a diy cone: Just use a pencil eraser (trim one). Sponge-like material doesn't work.
how to make the cone?
+Marcos Ferreira You will most likely not be able to make it yourself. It is better to buy it.
Where can I find the terminals?
I don't know where you live, so the best thing would be to google a shop that delivers to your location.
Did you find where to find the socket terminal? I don't know how to search them on amazon
What does she say at 00:15~00:20 and 05:53~06:04?
1. without soldering or the use of a drill, r-drums decoupler adapt the roland head rim setups.
Thanks. Whats at 00:17~00:20, "the diameter of this (???) and shell needs to be measured"?
yes, you need the exact diameter of the shell.
Yes, but i mean, what's said after 'this' and before 'and'?
Sorry, but what is your question? Which point is unclear?
I love Her voice,,,,,,,
It is supposed to be a German accent:D
What do you mean? You want more videos that are not DIY?
I know, some mesh heads are restricted and many other things. Thanks.
"It is easy to make." hahahahaha
use a metal piece instead of wood for the bar and you've got the jobeky trigger
The metal piece that Jobeky took is too thin and has no profile. It is a rather bad way to design a trigger in such a way since you want to avoid the materials to vibrate.
brancher un fil noir sur un rouge...ça ne marche pas..faut pas rever..
So laurin stole the trigger from vdrum tips, huh...
Laurin did not steal anything. Even my very low budget DIY is better than Laurin.
Bjork?)
I like when she says screws!!
Mack Bolzano screw what?
Would probably be fine for a kick drum!
Well, A cone is not ideal for a kick.
Shipping costs 20,00 euro's.
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Intro too loud, tutorial too quiet ☹️
erm she says "I" then there's really hairy hands on screen
have fun sleeping at night
GTFOH...May as well buy a kit...Geeeez
Can we please have a MAN talking?? I can't take this little girl seriously 😒
not very well explained. What tipe of conection did you make? Is this for a Roland or Yamaha Set up? Not all drum modules use the same wiring.
Is it necessary for the piezo for rim and head to be different in size?
No, many people imitate Roland setups by using a 27mm Piezo for the head and a 35mm for the rim, however that is not a requirement. Its more important to acquire Piezo which have the proper specifications for your A to E conversion than be concerned with piezo size.
The resonant frequency of your piezo needs to be 2.9 KHz and the resistance no more than 300 ohms.
Most of the inexpensive aftermarket piezo sold as drum piezo are in the 5 to 10 KHz range and exceed the minimum of 300 ohms resistance, which causes frustration in A to E conversion projects, as its rare the specifications of the necessary piezo are provided.
The other option is to purchase Roland piezo from original sources such as Drum Tec.