The Unknown Gospels | with Dr Bart Ehrman
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 30. 07. 2024
- Today friend of the channel Dr Bart Ehrman is back to talk to us about the Gospels and what scholars have uncovered and discovered about them. Are these books the gospel truth on the life of Jesus? Or a series of separate, contradictory stories for different audiences?
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Thank you so much for watching! If you enjoy this topic, please consider Dr Ehrman's new online course on the Unknown Gospels! I love Bart's courses, they're a truly fantastic source of information if you're interested in counter-apologetics or biblical history! This is the biggest one yet, I can't wait đ€
Register before July 27th to get the early bird discount of $47.95, before it returns to the usual price of $53.95, a great deal for a lecture series like this! Please check it out using my cheeky link: emmathorne--ehrman.thrivecart.com/unknown-gospels/ đâ„
You get lifetime access to eight 30-minute lectures by Dr. Bart Ehrman; discounts for additional courses in the "How Scholars Read the Bible" series; PDF lesson guides; FAQ's; a reading list to dive deeper and audio downloads đ
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Shared Interests like debunking Science-Denial can be 1 of many potential Points here.
Even though it was inevitable that the list of giant chickens would eventually reach a point where saying all the names became impractical, I think it would be a shame to let the joke die. So, what I suggest is that at the end when you cut back to you to wish us all a lovely week, cut back and say "Goddamn it Connla", and then wish us all a lovely week.
@@charlesthebald3671 kinda like at the Facility with Kyle Hill's so many names scrolling by on Aria, I don't know how I'm going to pass the time...
Goddamit Connla
I've thoroughly enjoyed Ehrmans perspective on the gospels. Its good to see you promoting his good work. So many of his conclusions I came to also and was a wonderful find while studying theology these many decades ive been blessed with this life. It so cool you were able to sit down with him, im jealous lol
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This is the kind of episode that you don't have to watch, and I'm just listening to this guy talking about history and giggling like a school kid and stuff. It's great.
Same here
why?
One thing I love about Dr Ehrman is the fact that he doesn't endorse the common Scholarly fake presentation.
He is real and true to his nature and character.
And that is examplary to people of reason.
Engrossing stuff. I remember during my âconversion to atheismâ when I was only about ten years old (which was quite a few years back now) reading a bible I had been given. I read all four versions of the Jesus story in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, and was puzzled at how different they all were.
Keep up the great work Emma!! We love you. đ
its a shame you decided on atheism. Its a theological dead end, its not a path you should ever take unless you have researched all aspects of theology through out the world.
@@daemonsw77 You nailed it.
@@daemonsw77 we have, and we're atheists.
@@Snoopitsa0405 you had to edit one sentence? Somehow I don't believe you've studied anything, let alone have the ability to speak for a group as a whole or a part.
Confirmation bias. If you do not want to be a doctor, studying medicine will probably make you hate it more. If you already loved medicine, it is likely you will learn the books of it even if you do not like it that much.
Not saying what you did is wrong, but by the same weight others may claim they become Christian be considering the different gospels as different sources such as in any historical character. It is very subjective.
I know its off topic, but don't you just love all the timber work in Bart's study.
I'm an athiest and around half a year ago got really angry at Christianity bc of my Catholic upbringing and the state of the world right now. A channel called faith evolving really changed that for me and helped me heal from past traumas. I'm def still an athiest but now I find biblical analysis so so intersting, so this is perfect timing. Can't wait to watch
I feel the same way. Donât know where you live, but Iâm in the US. Things are goingâŠâŠ less than idealâŠâŠ
My wife is still a Christian, I am agnostic atheist. She is pissed. I am pissed. At times is is difficult for me not to be nasty and accusatory and the âangry atheistâ toward her. Her and I share very similar morals and political beliefs. She was raised in a rather liberal religious framework and I was raised fundie to the core. Probably has something to do with our current beliefs lol.
Anyways, just wanted to say that I do still try to be as non judgemental and angry towards her or Christianity in general. For similar reasons. The Bible really is soooo rich in cultural history, wonderfully complex stories and mythology, and even, dare I say it, moral teachings. But it is essential to understand it within itâs cultural, historical, and literary framework.
I am sorry to hear that. Tell your wife to check out Acharya S aka D.M Murdock.
@@Gamefan86 I wasnât too clear on that. Weâre both happy with our beliefs and neither of us feels like trying to convert the other. I just struggle at times with seeing so much shit done in the name of Christianity, and then going âsee! Christianity is evil! Itâs inherently immoral!â to my wife. Even though she is usually just as pissed off at those things/people as I am.
youre not atheist, but catholic. if you got angry at some christians because your admitted "catholic upbringing", then you still carry those beliefs, which destroys the claim of atheism
@@chriskeel3096 culturally Catholic. But I don't believe in God lmao
One thing I can really appreciate about the Bible, and other ancient holy texts, is the fact that the contents were preserved for literally thousands of years, and it's a super interesting window into the culture and life of those that lived back then. I imagine that's probably what drove a lot of atheistic theologians, and even theistic ones, into their line of work and study.
That's half fair, but you have to remember that these texts have been altered in translation, and in every new version produced (whenever someone doesn't like a particular verse and decides to remove or change it, which has happened a LOT).
The newer the version, the less they resemble the original
@@OcculticaLHP Keep what you like and change or omit what you donÂŽt like. ThatÂŽs about what made any religion what it is today
At one time or another there were lots of books in the Bible that aren't considered canon any more. So the Bible hasn't been preserved, it's been chopped and changed many times.
Except they're not really.
you have a point, meanwhile in this day and age we can't recover text messages from 2 years ago!
Bart's great, he seems like a really fun guy to talk with.
Now, I can start my Saturday (Canada) lol!
Bart's enthusiasm is AMAZING.
Thank you for this video. I've just discovered your channel. I've read all of Ehrman's books and now delighted to find out about this course. It may have to wait until I finish one by James Tabor :)
You are a great interviewer, Emma. I love your channel.
I appreciate this conversation. Thank you.
Nice interview! I'm taking Dr. Ehrman's class and I'm excited; I've read his book on the evolution of Christian thinking on the afterlife, but this will be the first lecture series of his I've attended. He's a good writer who conveys complex, specialized info very well.
I am so glad I bumped into your channel! I'm also an European ex- Christian so I relate a lot with what you say.
In every country of our lovely continent is so different. If you ever want to look into the Spanish perspective, lmk!
Absolutely love all of your interviews with Dr Bart.
I this time I think yours is the second interview with him for this particular course watched, so now I gotta make the rounds and find the others.
Dr. Ehrman's work is fantastic. I always learn something from him.
I just love your videos with Bart Ehrman!
Emma uploaded! Best part of the week
Nice video Emma! I recently found your channel. I love your interviews and your whole quirky personality. I might be subscriber 100001!
I love Emmaâs giggles. đ„°
More importantly, I love her work. Great interview!!
Very informative! Nice to see someone talking about jesus without being a nutter
Congrats on 100k subs Emma! Keep up the amazing work, we all love ur videos. Maybe you could do a Q&A or something to celebrate? Anyways, huge milestone, you totally deserve it đ
Most of us barely functioning in this heat, meanwhile Emma out here casually pulling off an incredible interview with the Dr Ehrman.
Just signed up for this course and I'm excited to once more take part in one of Dr Ehrman's 'scholastic extravaganzas'. Really looking forward to this in August. Go Bart. Flaxen Saxon.
Really interesting conversation. There is always a context which expands our understanding of what the Gospels say. Historical, literary, theological, source (that's a fun one) and more. I find it fascinating that the more one really digs into the gospels, the less they are about salvation and going to heaven, and the more they are about living with justice and righteousness on this earth.
See, this is why I dig your content. Nuance, kindness, and thoughtful questions. Great video as per usual Emma.
Well done Emma. Any video that includes Bart Hermann is more than welcome. He is a man who I could listen to for hours. I will be checking out the course. Please keep doing what you're doing, it's vital!
Almost 100k subscribers? Congrats, well deserved, Emma!
What he said in the first few minutes about them all being separate books is what I've been saying for a long time or trying to with people I know. The Bible isn't one ongoing story. It's a collection of different books written by different people.
Hey, I'm your 100.000th sub! Congratz! Love the videos, keep it up Emma!
Love this stuff. I've listened to a lot of Dr. Ehrman's lectures but have yet to read one of his books. Very knowledgeable and insightful guy.
Alright, this is weird, I don't often comment, but I just wanted to say, as a polytheistic pagan who has for some time loved both your content and Dr. Ehrman, seeing you two discuss things is just very awesome. The thoughtfulness you both bring is exactly what i hope to be able to bring to my own personal theology.
Always a great watch. Thank you Emma đđŒ
I can't help but notice how appropriate it is that you are commenting about being sweaty from the heat, meanwhile your clock on the wall in the background is melting.
Hi Emma, love what I learn from you and the giggles. I'll stfu now, before it gets wrong. Thank you.đđč
Stay hydrated, that heat is the evil. Great video
This was very good. Wish it had gone on longer.
Thanks Bart & Emma, very interesting.
The Pureflix ad I got with a mockunentary movie referencing the Shroud of Turin which âno one has ever been able to proveâ was priceless! I mean, people have disproven it, but I canât argue with the quote.
Hey Emma, love your vids!
I got a little shock when autoplay kicked in and I was taken to "What is Marriage" by 'Church Public', and it may be another to add to your reaction/discussion list, as I believe most of the video is tosh đ
Thanks for doing what you do ~
Quality stuff. Cheers Emma. We still use the term "You can take it as Gospel", to describes any daft claims, which are only supported by: "A Vicar in a Frock believes it", or "Weird Dave up the Pub is convinced". "You can take it as Gospel" is the equivalent to "Take it with a pinch of salt".
Hi Tom, I've never heard it used that way. (here in the United States) I've always heard "the gospel truth" to mean something that can be counted as true. Interested to know where you're from.
interesting. iâve only ever heard this phrase being used as âthis is true!â
itâs a phrase used to emphasize truth. at least iâm the US (which would make sense if that were different in other countries)
I dunno, I'm from England and I've not heard it used that way either. So it's not just reserved to America. I do like it used that way, though! Neat useage!
@@seaandstorm For almost all people, you are absolutely right. Ironically enough I live in God's own County. Despite declaring herself to be a Christian Nation with the Church intertwined with the State, Most people do not identify as Religious. The Church is now a laughable joke A Relic, a sham, a place for the elderly to sit in god's waiting room. Welcome to Merrie Olde England.
Umm. That's a fairly "unique" interpretation. I'm in the UK, and to "take it all as gospel" means the exact opposite. Something that can be trusted as true. The phrase "DON'T take it as gospel" means don't trust it.
Thank you.
Really liking the all-wood aesthetic in Bart's house.
Wonderful! What a delightful way to start a day
This was interesting . Thank you!
Quality video. Imagine trying to understand Jesus by, you know, looking at actual Jesus!
If more Christians cared about the historical Jesus, Christianity would make more sense.
If Christians cared more about Jesus a lot of them would have to rethink their behaviour!
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun throug the heavens.
Jesus is completely made up, he is a fictional allegory for the sun.
@@Gamefan86 Interestingly, some Christians and, for that matter, post-Christian groups which have incorporated elements of Christianity into their beliefs and practices (including a certain post-Christian group which insists upon calling itself Christian despite rejecting the Christian doctrine on the divinity of Christ), tacitly acknowledge this connection to sun worship by applying Malachi 4:2 to Christ, claiming that he is "the Sun of righteousness" who would shine forth with "healing in his wings". Of course, that word picture can be trace back to the winged sun disk of ancient Egypt. Incidentally, the group I mentioned parenthetically above at one time had a series of Bible study books the later editions of which had a winged sun disk embossed on the front covers. Of course, to the reader this was intended to evoke the word picture of Malachi 4:2; but, it should be noted that the writer of the first six volumes of that series maintained a deep interest in Egyptian pyramidology, even going so far as to inculcate in his readers and listeners to his sermons that the Great Pyramid of Giza was "the Bible in stone". Several years after his death, those who stayed with the legal corporation he co-founded would reject the Egyptian pyramidological aspects of that teaching, although they still hold to other fantastical aspects (albeit with a different chronology than he had instituted).
None of this is to uphold and subscribe to such ideas. However, it is intriguing to see the history of how such fantastical beliefs developed over the course of time if only because it shows why such are so deeply entrenched even today.
I good Interview by a layperson. Good, thoughtful questions. Well done.
Thanks!
Very informative. Thanks!
Hey look everyone, it's Bert Hermann!
You are a nice articulate young lady.
Looks like just another few days till you hit 100,000 subscribers. Congrats!!!! Love your shows.
Interesting. Iâll check it out. I enjoy your channel.
Best channel on CZcams.
Great stuff in a condensed form
I remember hearing about "The Unknown Gospels" about 30 years ago through the heavy metal singer Glenn Danzig. He called them "The Lost Books of the Bible". They contained the whole bit about Jesus smiting one of his playmates.
Love the brick background Emma.
Hey Emma, just discovered ur channel a couple of days ago and already love ur content. Ur videos always make me smile, so thanks! Just thought you might be interested in something from Uganda I discovered about a year ago. To provide some context Iâd recommend watching the âmissionaries of hateâ documentary but basically several years or so ago, there was an anti-homosexuality bill (sort of meant to be a crackdown on the already oppressed lgbt+ people in that country) that religious evangelicals and some kind of lawyer or MP called David Bahati were trying to get passed. Arguably the most infamous evangelical backing the bill was Pastor Martin Ssempa. Iâd recommend looking him up, but heâs most famous for debates heâs been in and his overly sensational sermons. I just thought it would be up your alley because some of the stuff he rants about looks like something out of a comedy sketch, since heâs accidentally given birth to an entire meme culture stemming from a meme dubbed âeat da poo pooâ. Heâs also a conspiracy theorist as you might have guessed. I strongly recommend you look this up because itâs hilarious and is pretty similar to the content you react to, albeit perhaps a bit more crass.
I canât post links bc I can only access yt on my phone but Iâd suggest searching for the âwhy r u gaeâ interview, missionaries of hate as mentioned earlier, as well as perhaps perusing the CZcams channels: âPasta Senpaiâ and âPoopoophobic Pastaâ, which are channels dedicated to the meme culture and have many clips from debates and interviews featuring pastors like Ssempa, as well as the full interviews if ur interested.
If u see something in there you can make a video on it would be cool and entertaining to hear your take on it! Have a lovely summer!
Relly enjoyed.
Great video as always!
Emma as usual quality work. you make the word a better place. from this old aussie man thanks for the vids. only have one child and she is like you. smart, informed and capable of critical thinking.
Thanks
Loved this. :)
believer in the multiverse where a reality has formed around every possibility including deities (though they would just be advanced alien lifeforms technically) here and I gotta say I love where you go with your video's even though if I so much as mention these things to people around me I'll get yelled at....which is honestly hilarious so imma definitely share this with them XD keep up the great content!!
Awesome guest and great info. Thank you
Absolutely unrelated, just noticed the Mass Effect stuff in the background and now I am jealous of your helmet.
I would love to see you do a interview with Paul Wallis on this interpretation of the bible.
I hope he covers some of Richard Carrier: The Historicity of Jesus. Also great lectures
I don't think he would. They conflict in some key places and I believe there is a little bit of a thing between them right now.
He's not a big fan.
Great Collaboration. Indeed :)
Congrats!@ 100 K Subs. Here is to 1 M.
Hey you're approaching 100K subscribers, good on you girl! Yes Bart is great, like him lots đđ
Delightful
Hello Emma, thanks for this interesting video I learn alot of new things today. I also notice your almost have 100 k subscribers and I wanted to congratulate you ahead of time, wishing you more subscribers and a nice shiny youtube award. You been a great youtuber very mature but still hilarious and sweet. Have a lovely weekend.
What I always find interesting is Bart Ehrman remarks that if Jesus was fake his brother James would've known about that. James was a Jewish heretic, he thought Jesus visited him after death and James died a heretic. Or, more correctly was thrown down from the temple as a heretic. James foolishly thought Jesus, his brother, was raised from the dead.
I love this kind of content. Iâm a believer in God, but not a Christian, though I was raised as one. Iâve read quite a bit on the history of the Bible, Torah, and New Testament. Also read about the Gnostic texts and some of the texts, themselves. Thereâs one of those, in particular, that intrigued me as it sounds very related to an Advaita Vedanta idea.
Anyway, after hearing this interview Iâm definitely going to check our Dr. Ehrmanâs books. There things Iâve learned that really intrigue me. The four Gospels really didnât have names associated with them originally. When looking at the earliest known text of Mark, and a text written a century later, there are twelve extra verses at the end. Iâve read about other additions, redactions, mistranslations, etc. that occurred over the centuries. I really want to know more. Honestly, I wish I could back in time and observe something as important as the beginning of Christianity. For that matter, Iâd like to know more about the early verbal stories and the beginnings of the Torah. The Vedas and later development of Vedanta interest me, too.
The Gospel writers knew much less about the world they lived in than you do. They commonly blended facts with fiction
I recommend Dave Hunt's books In Defense of the Faith and Cosmos, Creator & Human Destiny to you.
@@sdlorah6450 Thanks! Iâll check it out.
New shelf addition. :)
So hot it melted ur clock đ€Ł! Great interview love the content!
Bart is always a good listen.
Are you connected with MythVision or Gnostic Informant at all?
Digital Hammurabi/Josh and Megan are the best.
This was very interesting, but also not terribly surprising. I was already aware that the Bible is a collection of works from a variety of sources that were created over a long period of time. I'm not even sure that the term "Bible" is specific enough to refer to something non-ambiguous. How many different Bibles are there, what are the differences between then, and who decides which one is the right one? I would be extremely interested in a video discussing the details (or at least an overview) of how thoes works were selected and who did the selecting.
Go Emma đ„
Shiny sweaty people đ¶
I had heard it was hot in the UK, but Emmaâs wall clock melting is really too much! đ€Ł
As always Emma this is a quality well done video âŠ. As a Christian I was always taught to believe that the Gospels were the absolute truth !!!
Dr Bart has opened my eyes and Iâll now read them in a new and enlightened way!!
Your questioning was on point as everâŠ.
Keep up the fab work Enma
I recommend Mythvision Podcast channel on youtube for great interviews with scholars including Bart Ehrmann on early christianity.
Lots to think about!
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun throug the heavens.
Check out Acharya S. aka D.M Murdock for more info.
A lot better than last week's Cube Jesus, does that have a historical context...
As always great work
Historians of the time wrote in a style that a historian would record chronological historical events. The gospels were not written in the style of a historian. They are fictions written by cultists. There are other stories (gospels) that tell a completely different story that the christian church refuses to recognize because they oppose the doctrine.
Great interview.
Please provide a list of the non-cannonical gospels.
My favourite gospel is Lamb: The Gospel According to Biff, Christ's Childhood Pal
Stay cool, Emma!
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you need to buy a synoptic gospel good stuff !
Hoping itâs not too hot for you. We have similar temperatures in California, but thatâs normal and we have air conditioning.
This guys face is as animated as one of my favorite authors, "Jim Butcher"
Stay chilled Emna
What? No "God damnit Connla"?! I feel... empty and confused D:
The Lord Jesus Christ is what a real man is.
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I love his courses! If this interests you Iâd recommend it for sure
Don't quote me on this...Jesus says, "I have come to throw my fire upon the world and watch it blaze" in either Thomas or Peter (I forget which). Not sure what that means; it's definitely badass; and also _certainly_ for the *best* that that line isn't an inspiration to modern troublemakers and roustabouts.
It has been 0C in Alice Springs, and like you, people are neither set up for it or acclimated to it. Alice Springs has a large indigenous population, most of them don't have heating. I could never afford air conditioning until about 10 years ago, and 40C heat waves are common here, but I grew up with that kind of heat.
There's two song's I would like to share with your audience... David Bowie and MickJagur... Dancing in the Streets'. And ' living on the edge ' from Aerosmith. đ€