What an astounding moral collapse - that conservatism (and enlightenment liberalism) is all but extinct in the Conservative Party... Miriam has been called a N**i by a leader of her party!
So many great things in this speech: it almost makes me optimistic 🙂. Why can't the Tories see how wonderful it would be to adopt this kind of outlook? How popular it would make them (even if they don't "get it")? You can have conversations about these types of issues with all kinds of people (and I do) and find huge swathes of common territory and agreement: but do the mainstream tories get it? It doesn't feel like they do, which is a national tragedy and disgrace.
Unfortunately the majority of Tory MP's want to Remain in the EU. She makes me feel very optimistic as well but not quite hope when you hear some of the MP's.
Her parties policies and her voting pattern has harmed the economic stability of the family unit and dissuaded parenthood. She is a hypocrite in every sense of the word.
"If a job and a home are basic foundations for founding a family--" Those, and a partner, which is increasingly more difficult to acquire as seen from the childlessness numbers.
100% spot on! Excellent speech!!!! She is like a physical reset, moral robot and national good view treasure!!! Move over Rishi, 😂or at least take note, pure perfection🕊️🙏🙌
Short sighted decisions that don't consider externalities are a real killer. She won't get the attention or praise of the other speakers because she is talking of the earth and not the thunder, but she's laying out key factors that politicians should be focused on. It's all so self-evident, too. Personally I'm 28 and have been through the University system and do have a well paying job (£70k pa at my current grade) but the positive thoughts of starting a family are like I'm just dreaming a Disney dream. The grandeur that was sold to my generation has proven to be so off it's shocking.
Great speech that is what a Conservative should sound like. Hopefully in the next few years the wider party will realise the worth in traditional family values again and their broader impact.
Falling birth rates are "the one overarching threat to British conservatism and indeed the whole of western society". If this really is true then there is one sure fire solution. Pay people to get married and have big families and give them a free house as an incentive. Be selective - not everyone is cut out to raise children - but most people are. Not only will marriage and parenthood become a high status career but one that pays generously. Be aware though that there is a high chance that AI and automation may well destroy huge numbers of jobs in the near future. And there is no guarantee that there will be enough new jobs to replace them. It may well be that in future getting married and raising a large family will be the most popular 'career' choice in an ever dwindling jobs market.
The greatest problem the UK has is overcoming the disobedience of the left-wing, radicalised snivel service! Only then can productive, beneficial policies be pursued!
Can’t agree, if you want pigs to breed, take them out of their comfy sty and give them a rougher outdoor domain. Life’s to comfy, the things we complain about are nothing like they were when families were large. There’s also the problem of sex drive. Sperm count has apparently fallen and with it possibly sex drive. Also women have been lied to concerning “having a career”. You may rise to be VP with special responsibility for paper clips. Having your death bed surrounded by paper clips rather than your children and grandchildren is simply not the same. Five years after leaving your life long career you’ll be all but forgotten. Your children if properly and lovingly brought up will remember you with affection all of their life’s.
I agree with most of what she said about family values, and we need to value family and make having kids attractive again. However, I can't agree with her on patriotism. Countries like Japan, Korea, and China are all non-immigrational countries, and all have a strong culture of loving their nation, yet, their birth rate is only around 1%, Korea only 0.84%, which is far less than today's Britain. Immigration poses an identity threat that nobody likes, but it is not the cause nor solution to this low birth rate and low economic growth problem. Vocational training and technical education has been working 50 years ago, but is not going to work in the era where AI and robots are starting to take away both skilled worker and professional jobs. A new industrial revolution is forming, and that is waiting for all of us.
She is absolutely right with her core point that social and economic conservatism are not separable. But sadly not close enough to understand how state policies like entitlement spending ARE the reason the family unit is loosing importance in the modern West. So she demands more government policies which seem like they would remedy the situation but they won't ever be able to. Still, quite a powerful speech.
The elephant in the room is that she never once mentioned Abortion. The amount of children that could be saved just through changing this law might not solve the problem but would certainly help.
First where will all these babies live once they are grown up given the Conservative's dismal record on house building? Second do you really believe that a low birth rate is a more serious threat than a military dictator in the Kremlin with a finger on the nuclear button or a planet that is witnessing a gradual extinction of species and ever rising temperatures?
Wake up the military dictator in the Kremlin sits only in your head as a result of unfiltered mass media politic propaganda. With love from Russia. And BTW Miriam Gates said really great speech.
The rate of child care costs is the curve in red, The birth rate is the curve in blue. If I find the optimal taxation rate, Then will you stick to me like glue. Do you cause this woman to be determined by internal economic conditions? I do. Do you cause this man to be determined by external economic conditions? I do Will you both remain man and wife until such time as a new more optimal equilibrium is found? I do and I do (We do), cos all I want is you. Then I pronounce you both determined by the laws of economic materialism, and now in a new contingent phase state of conditioned partnership.
I think my chat up proposition, to be more useful and consequential, needs a less law like concept of nature, a bit more subjective spontaneity, and the addition of a qualified emotive poetic vocabulary. How about "I drove my tractor through your haystack last night"?
It makes complete sense. People who want to have kids are choosing not to, often only because they can't afford housing, so you would want to build more houses to reduce the cost of housing making it affordable for people to have children again.
@@kingofmaglos3 A falling birthrate means an abundance of housing. Mass immigration is why the housing stock is so low. It's not a proposition for Kierkegaard.
@@jackengland7117 Yes mass immigration is one reason but you also need to build more houses as you don't have the effects of the falling birth rate until its "too late" since it literally takes time for people to grow up and move into their own houses or die and move out of their current ones
But there's always a new medication to keep their heart beating even if they don't know their own name,,, i.e., sitting in a chair till they are 120 years of age. That's over 50 years retired, not paying into a tax pot. And that will be me,, possibly, probably you... anyone who is under 50 years old.. but in 40 years' time, there will be no one to look after us all while we sit there dribbling in our laps.
With materialist philosophies life is pointless. With transcendent philosophies you create the meaning in your life, have autonomy, and have a higher purpose. You can see what a miserable lot leftists are. They exit the gene pool by their own selection. Family and spirituality/religion will win out through natural selection.
... I guarantee you that fertility rates have less to do with new child birth rates than the fact people are simply barely able to live. 1 thing that has to be fixed in order to actually increase it is actually being able to afford to live in a house. Housing prices need to realistically be the same as what they were 30 years ago for people to feel comfortable enough to start a family. I'm almost 40 and the majority of the people my and younger don't have kids and the main reason is they simply can't afford them. Housing and renting prices need to come down, dramatically. That's the only way you're gonna see a turn for the better for young families.
Great speech, impressive woman. The liberal Conservatives' era is ending. Let's take our party back.
Miriam Cates for Prime Minister!
Possibly the only true conservative in Parliament.
I heartedly agree.
What an astounding moral collapse - that conservatism (and enlightenment liberalism) is all but extinct in the Conservative Party...
Miriam has been called a N**i by a leader of her party!
So many great things in this speech: it almost makes me optimistic 🙂. Why can't the Tories see how wonderful it would be to adopt this kind of outlook? How popular it would make them (even if they don't "get it")? You can have conversations about these types of issues with all kinds of people (and I do) and find huge swathes of common territory and agreement: but do the mainstream tories get it? It doesn't feel like they do, which is a national tragedy and disgrace.
I hope the Tories do adopt this approach, mas it'll consign them to the scrapheap for decades.
Unfortunately the majority of Tory MP's want to Remain in the EU. She makes me feel very optimistic as well but not quite hope when you hear some of the MP's.
A conservative speaking like a conservative. Imagine my shock.
Great speech
End immigration, encourage parenthood.
On the contrary, a conservative speaking like an idiot.
And start repatriation of hostile crimminals if not out right disposal.
Her parties policies and her voting pattern has harmed the economic stability of the family unit and dissuaded parenthood. She is a hypocrite in every sense of the word.
An actual conservative that won't get financed by the oligarchy of the donor class.
What a brilliants down to earth politician. I wish we had her. Our one is totally woke.
"If a job and a home are basic foundations for founding a family--" Those, and a partner, which is increasingly more difficult to acquire as seen from the childlessness numbers.
100% spot on! Excellent speech!!!! She is like a physical reset, moral robot and national good view treasure!!! Move over Rishi, 😂or at least take note, pure perfection🕊️🙏🙌
Very, very encouraging to hear this . There is sanity in Westminster
There are a few others like her a few women that is.
One of the best and most common-sense speeches I've heard from an MP in a long time.
This is fundamental to civilised life yet often overlooked
Don’t worry, I’m sure the Tories and Labour will import more and more immigrants to bolster the population 👍🏻
Short sighted decisions that don't consider externalities are a real killer. She won't get the attention or praise of the other speakers because she is talking of the earth and not the thunder, but she's laying out key factors that politicians should be focused on. It's all so self-evident, too.
Personally I'm 28 and have been through the University system and do have a well paying job (£70k pa at my current grade) but the positive thoughts of starting a family are like I'm just dreaming a Disney dream. The grandeur that was sold to my generation has proven to be so off it's shocking.
Shes a rare creature,a real conservative!
Hopefully a future leader.
Great speech that is what a Conservative should sound like. Hopefully in the next few years the wider party will realise the worth in traditional family values again and their broader impact.
Well said 👏🏽
Falling birth rates are "the one overarching threat to British conservatism and indeed the whole of western society".
If this really is true then there is one sure fire solution.
Pay people to get married and have big families and give them a free house as an incentive.
Be selective - not everyone is cut out to raise children - but most people are.
Not only will marriage and parenthood become a high status career but one that pays generously.
Be aware though that there is a high chance that AI and automation may well destroy huge numbers of jobs in the near future.
And there is no guarantee that there will be enough new jobs to replace them.
It may well be that in future getting married and raising a large family will be the most popular 'career' choice in an ever dwindling jobs market.
Indeed, just telling people to have kids isn't going to fix it, and bribing idiots to breed isn't going to help.
Whats wrong with these moral failures, anyone woud think you'd need a career that pays enough for food and shelter before having kids
The greatest problem the UK has is overcoming the disobedience of the left-wing, radicalised snivel service! Only then can productive, beneficial policies be pursued!
Can’t agree, if you want pigs to breed, take them out of their comfy sty and give them a rougher outdoor domain. Life’s to comfy, the things we complain about are nothing like they were when families were large. There’s also the problem of sex drive. Sperm count has apparently fallen and with it possibly sex drive. Also women have been lied to concerning “having a career”. You may rise to be VP with special responsibility for paper clips. Having your death bed surrounded by paper clips rather than your children and grandchildren is simply not the same. Five years after leaving your life long career you’ll be all but forgotten. Your children if properly and lovingly brought up will remember you with affection all of their life’s.
Very interesting...
I agree with most of what she said about family values, and we need to value family and make having kids attractive again. However, I can't agree with her on patriotism. Countries like Japan, Korea, and China are all non-immigrational countries, and all have a strong culture of loving their nation, yet, their birth rate is only around 1%, Korea only 0.84%, which is far less than today's Britain. Immigration poses an identity threat that nobody likes, but it is not the cause nor solution to this low birth rate and low economic growth problem. Vocational training and technical education has been working 50 years ago, but is not going to work in the era where AI and robots are starting to take away both skilled worker and professional jobs. A new industrial revolution is forming, and that is waiting for all of us.
Now get it Done
She is absolutely right with her core point that social and economic conservatism are not separable.
But sadly not close enough to understand how state policies like entitlement spending ARE the reason the family unit is loosing importance in the modern West. So she demands more government policies which seem like they would remedy the situation but they won't ever be able to.
Still, quite a powerful speech.
now they want more slaves to boost their economy , if you pay half of your earnings as tax you are a slave "economically"
Superb! And prescient…
💙 best wishes from austria
The elephant in the room is that she never once mentioned Abortion. The amount of children that could be saved just through changing this law might not solve the problem but would certainly help.
It just increases unsafe abortions u stupid fuck
Communist Romania tried that. It just resulted in hated children being treated like shit. All children must be wanted.
Japan is suffering from excessive population collapse.
South Korea is ahead of the curve.
But Neo Marxism / Cultural Marxism is part of this particular problem ,offering Women lifestyle career choices that that are ultimately a let down.
First where will all these babies live once they are grown up given the Conservative's dismal record on house building? Second do you really believe that a low birth rate is a more serious threat than a military dictator in the Kremlin with a finger on the nuclear button or a planet that is witnessing a gradual extinction of species and ever rising temperatures?
Wake up the military dictator in the Kremlin sits only in your head as a result of unfiltered mass media politic propaganda. With love from Russia. And BTW Miriam Gates said really great speech.
The rate of child care costs is the curve in red,
The birth rate is the curve in blue.
If I find the optimal taxation rate,
Then will you stick to me like glue.
Do you cause this woman to be determined by internal economic conditions?
I do.
Do you cause this man to be determined by external economic conditions?
I do
Will you both remain man and wife until such time as a new more optimal equilibrium is found?
I do and I do (We do), cos all I want is you.
Then I pronounce you both determined by the laws of economic materialism, and now in a new contingent phase state of conditioned partnership.
I think my chat up proposition, to be more useful and consequential, needs a less law like concept of nature, a bit more subjective spontaneity, and the addition of a qualified emotive poetic vocabulary. How about "I drove my tractor through your haystack last night"?
Our birthrate is below replacement level - 15 minutes later - We must build more houses - What? 🤔
It makes complete sense. People who want to have kids are choosing not to, often only because they can't afford housing, so you would want to build more houses to reduce the cost of housing making it affordable for people to have children again.
@@kingofmaglos3 A falling birthrate means an abundance of housing. Mass immigration is why the housing stock is so low. It's not a proposition for Kierkegaard.
@@jackengland7117 Yes mass immigration is one reason but you also need to build more houses as you don't have the effects of the falling birth rate until its "too late" since it literally takes time for people to grow up and move into their own houses or die and move out of their current ones
They will build houses for the non-British. Tories are traitors.
@@jackengland7117 She did mention that "We must dramatically reduce immigration" so it's not like she's not seeing the issue.
I wonder if this is pre- misinformation polite word for BS lies
The whole conference was full of generalised bullshit and lies.
Can you explain what you mean? It isn't clear what you are referring to
Next Tory PM?
The pensioners will be dead so why is this always cited as an issue?
There will always be pensioners
But there's always a new medication to keep their heart beating even if they don't know their own name,,, i.e., sitting in a chair till they are 120 years of age. That's over 50 years retired, not paying into a tax pot. And that will be me,, possibly, probably you... anyone who is under 50 years old.. but in 40 years' time, there will be no one to look after us all while we sit there dribbling in our laps.
Having children is the most stupid thing anyone can do. Life is pointless so why make more of it.
Conservative NPC: Because Jesus!
Never mind that not everybody can believe those fairy tales.
With materialist philosophies life is pointless. With transcendent philosophies you create the meaning in your life, have autonomy, and have a higher purpose.
You can see what a miserable lot leftists are. They exit the gene pool by their own selection. Family and spirituality/religion will win out through natural selection.
... I guarantee you that fertility rates have less to do with new child birth rates than the fact people are simply barely able to live. 1 thing that has to be fixed in order to actually increase it is actually being able to afford to live in a house. Housing prices need to realistically be the same as what they were 30 years ago for people to feel comfortable enough to start a family.
I'm almost 40 and the majority of the people my and younger don't have kids and the main reason is they simply can't afford them.
Housing and renting prices need to come down, dramatically. That's the only way you're gonna see a turn for the better for young families.