We had to change our GUTS rules again... (Season 3)
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The regular season games should be worth 100,200,300 with the Crag Brag worth 375, 550, and 725. Maybe even 4 episode seasons
Was going to say the same. GUTS has already worked this all out for them.
Oo that's a good one
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This is the best idea ever.
Definitely how the scoring should go. Keeps things simple during the majority of the games and settles any ties at the end of the season.
Jake: "If the numbers are too high, we can't add them up."
Joez: "Calculators are made."
"When a worm becomes a flower?" This man is in charge and I couldn't be happier!!
PLEASE USE GUTS SCORES! it makes good and bad players meaningful and makes trades more interesting. getting first on an event even when you are losing the ep means something now. its only "hard" math at the end of the ep and that can be handled in a spreadsheet.
Maybe you trade for a loser because they are tall and might do well on the baseball wall to make the trade better. Now you get a pick and the points for that event win. Now that event is more interesting because the trade value hinges on how you scouted the player for it
I said this on the last crag brag episode. This would make drafting and trades more important. You're right on with this thought.
4-2-0, 2-1-0, 3-2-1, 5-3-1, and so on are all functionally identical. Only the difference in points gained matters, third place "getting a zero" being worse or any different at all is purely psychological. The boys struggling with basic math is an essential part of the formula though!
Another route to take the Crag Brag is making it less of a season-culminating championship and more of a special event/exhibition that gets shown in the middle of the offseason when the fans are hungry for a GUTS treat.
This is what I was thinking. They seemed to think that by switching to a 5-3-1 scoring system that it would eliminate the possibility of a tie but since it's effectively the same as 4-2-0 that doesn't seem to be accurate.
@@AddMiller221 Try actually doing the math yourself. Pick any series of outcomes (ie Game 1: 1st Jimmy, 2nd Jake, 3rd Joezack. Game 2: 1st Joezack, 2nd Jimmy, 3rd Jake. and so on) then add up what the standings would be with each of those score systems. The resulting 1st/2nd/3rd place winners will be the same for each series of episode outcomes.
What matters is how many points you will gain/lose over your rivals for a given outcome. If 1st gets 102, 2nd gets 101, and 3rd gets 100, that would play out the same as 2-1-0 because in both systems you are gaining/losing either 1 or 2 points on a rival.
@@A_Bird You are correct with that. I mis-interpreted what you were saying in your initial comment.
I also love that Jake's criteria for being all in on pursuing it was the amount of likes the comment got. Which maybe says something about the audience as well lmao
And to keep drafting fair: the drafting order is weighted. You either go 2nd four times , or 1st and third alternating. You can still trade up and down. That way the four rounds are equal, and placing equal with your trades gets you in a 3 way tie towards the end of season crag brag. 4+1 season keeps it where you can run a season each month.
count me in on jimmy’s somebody holds a stick of butter the whole episode idea
I always pop when Joez gives his signature “what do you meeeeeeean?”
Or, "That's crrraaaaazzy!" Joeznis my favorite lol
“what is thhat about?”
It's like when Tony Romo gives his signature "AUUUUGGGGHHHH I DONT KNOW JIM"
They still don’t seem to grasp that any point allocation where the intervals between 1-2 and 2-3 are the same are equivalent. 6-3-0, 10-5-0, 38-31-24, all equivalent. Yay math!
Not a math pod
The players get points for a reason. Just use their overall score. That will make drafting so much more important.
I feel like this should have more likes. I kinda adore this idea.
This is the best system for them to implement.
My preference would be a twist on this where the points are allocated while you had them. If you trade mid-episode, you keep the points from the competitor you had during the first two events. With sophisticated players, it could incentivize some strategic drafting and trading. If there's a competitor you think will do really well on the first two events, but not necessarily overall, you might still draft them with an eye towards trading mid-episode. There's no way they would ever want to keep track of that, though, so the straight episode score system works well enough.
upvote!
jake makes the most sense during these conversations
That’s because Jimmy’s too focused on doing the opposite of whatever Joez says and Joez is still catching up on whatever was said thirty seconds ago.
Give an extra point to the person who wins the Crag. It incentivizes mid-ep trading and rewards the winner of the crag even if they don’t win the episode
Make it match the game more closely Regular season is 0, 2 and 4 points last episode could be like 3,5 and 7. This would kinda match the 100, 200, 300 points on the show with the crazy increase at the crag
@@garydagg9112A 7-5-3 points distribution would give the exact same results as 4-2-0 as there are still two points between each place.
Fully agreed go with the 4-2-0 plus 1 for the Crag or the 5-3-1 plus one for the Crag. Then even if you know you are in last you can be rooting hard to win the Crag. Then give the Crag Brag trophy at the end to whoever won the most Crag's over the season, but the winner of the season is still the one with the most total points.
I am also a fan of a point for the crag winner. I love all of GUTS, but the crag is iconic and deserves to be held in higher regard.
Hilarious Cut-Away to Jimmy bragging about the Season 1 Crag Brag! loool
Here's my crazy suggestion: You get 1 point for every event your pick wins, 2 points for winning The Crag and 3 points for winning the episode overall. This makes trades more viable, because there are more realistic opportunities to score points throughout the show even if your pick doesn't win overall. Make it a nine episode season, no Crag Brag, with each player getting 3 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks.
Just to make sure that this scoring system wouldn't result in a complete blowout, I applied it to the last season and the scores would've been: Jake getting 26, Jim 29 and JoeZack 26, so it seems pretty balanced.
*Correction: I missed the fact that a couple of events ended in draws, so the scores would've actually been: Jake 27, Jimmy 28 and JoeZack 27.*
I vote this!
This is good! I can't believe how invested I am in this
I like this. Does anyone know how often someone wins The Crag but does not win overall episode? This system could really spice things up, especially when it comes to the mid-episode trade.
Did you see these people trying to add by 0, 2, and 4? It’s a great idea but it will take them an extra 10 minutes to do the math.
Once Guts is done, I propose old episodes of Supermarket Sweep. 3rd place in the big sweep = 1pt. 2nd place = 2pts. 1st place = 3pts PLUS a 1pt bonus for every item they find in the Bonus Sweep.
My mom used to love the round robin round because the contestants would sometimes have an incredibly hard time switching places on the very tiny stage. LOL
REVOLUTIONARY IDEA ! Each person's score is dictated by the total score of the contestant at the end of the episode. Pick a dud: 775pts. Pick a huge winner: 1925 points. Keep adding at the end of each episode. Could cash the current total mid-episode during a trade as an option, say if you think a contestant is going to go high, you could swap them and pick up that 300 pts, just for that event, then swap back. Thoughts!!!???
The only reason I don't like the Crag Brag is because it potentially takes episodes away from another whole season.
I agree. My suggestion has been to only do a Crag Brag if two or more players are tied at the end of the regular season. They were saying here that a 5-3-1 scoring system would eliminate the possibility of a tie but I don't see how that is true. I could be wrong though.
If they were to do the Crag Brag going forward, I would say do it as a two episode thing, where the winner of the season gets an automatic bye in the final game, and second and third play a wild card game to see who goes on to the final game. That way, no one is stuck with a player they didn't get to choose.
Plus, whoever isn't in the game can just still be there, to make smart ass comments.😂
1-2-3, 0-2-4 and 1-3-5 are all the same system. Idk how there isnt someone at the company who doesn’t understand points.
I always thought the 'post season' should be a single episode where each player is spotted 100, 200, or 300 pts based on the final standings of the regular season. So first place gets to add 300 to whatever score their pick gets, second place gets to add 200 pts, and third gets 100. You get the post season advantage having won the season but its not such a big advantage to eliminate the competitive element of the post season.
To Jakes point at 13:40, what you can do is 4-2-0 for the season and on the last episode do 5.25-3.5-1.75. That way the season doesnt depend SOLELY on the last game as he said since the points would be closely tied to the other scoring system, but it still is a small boost in the last episode (like a money ball in a 3 point contest) and you avoid ties.
The 4-2-0 is just 2-1-0.
And it is also the same as 7-5-3 and 7.25-5.50-3.75. They are all equal intervals.
Can always count on bad ideas from joez😂
Joez actually had the best ideas. 6-3-1 or 5-2-1 makes more sense than anything they brought up@@packers12to80
Since when do worms become flowers😂😂😂😂 I'm crying
crazy that these guts rules meetings have become my favorite videos
Do they use that ball for Talkin' Baseball and other series too?
The reason the crag brag bothered me, was it seemed like season 1 was over with Joezack being the winner then out of nowhere here comes this crag brag "championship" game. Season 2 was fine because we knew it was coming.
Idk why Jimmy is trying to gaslight, he specifically came up with the crag brag because he wasn't happy with Joezack winning the first season lol
Is everyone complaining about the Brag a single child? It’s like yall never played games with siblings. It’s not gaslighting it’s brotherly love!
It's been a bit since day one of watching guys. I'm surprised they let them draft higher than 3 without trading. It was kind of part of the fun when they would shit on Zacks draft when he had no control
@@kyleharris346 i think its the opposite. We had siblings who liked to change the rules when they were losing.
Do you guys not remember in the first episode when they said they were going to have playoffs after the season? Jake said they hadn’t figured the playoffs out yet but there would be playoffs of some kind. Then it seems like everyone (including them) forgot about that
You guys are hilarious I'm so glad you include this side of it too!
(Plus knowing you guys read/care about the comments honestly means a lot.)
Jose you've become a great friend.....that line killed me
Joez had the right idea with 5-2-1 and 6-3-1, though it should really be 5-2-0 or 3-1-0. But the interval in between the places needs to change or else it's going to be the same thing over and over. Zo was also correct with his suggestion. IMO, it's ideally 10 episode seasons, equal # of draft picks for 9 episodes (random order is fine) and 300-200-100, with the 10th as the Crag Brag and Guts crag scoring, that draft order determined by standings of the season.
I was thinking that with the 3-1-0 score setting. It works great in soccer.
@@coryshannon3815 If they want a different type of scoring system this would have my vote too. But I'm okay with them sticking to the same intervals, as long as they do some kind of crag-esque scoring at the end so there can't be a tie.
3-1-0 makes the most sense
Math and numbers are not Jomboy Media’s strong suit.
True. I would have thought they'd have figured out how the Crag scoring will affect the outcome of a game by this point.😂
I mean their brand is "Talkin" not "Mathin" 😂
Which is bonkers, because baseball is the most mathematically dense sport of all time. 😂
After guts, American Gladiators?
Legends of the hidden temple
They already tried legends of the hidden temple.
@@AJLong-px2fj i know and it was hilarious
@@AJLong-px2fjI kept track on paper all the results on LOTHT. I know who wins every episode.
Supermarket sweep
Just make the Crag Brag the very first thing you do in the season, winner of the episode gets one point or future pick swap and also determines the pick order for the first episode of the season (and the subsequent episodes.)
Also you guys should go ahead and get American Gladiators queued up for this format too.
So the crag scoring doesn't prevent ties if you only use that. They are all 175 points apart. It is the exact same thing as 4-2-0 and 5-3-1. Please someone do the math. 5-2-1 is the only one that is different because it is 3 points between 1st and 2nd and 1 point between 2nd and 3rd.
It's crazy how much more I care about this than the new NFL rules for next season
One idea: it seemed like the GUTS episodes were shot 5 per day (maybe it’s 6). I think doing a season per “day” of shooting is cool because each new season would have new events. I know 5 probably isn’t great for your guys shooting schedule, and I don’t even know if I like shorter seasons, but wanted to mention it. Or maybe bump to 10 eps per season? Then it’s two full “days” of GUTS shooting?
The problem with the Crag Brag in the first season, was that it felt like it was added after the fact just to screw over Jose/Zack
A lot of people are suggesting that after Guts is finished you guys should do American Gladiators. I strongly disagree. I think you should do Global Guts and then Legends of the Hidden Temple. The fact that you're drafting and pick swapping children from 30 years ago is a big part of what makes this series so hilarious.
The worm becoming a flower reference is wild
The total score of drafted players at the conclusion of each episode will determine the points awarded to the drafter. This approach emphasizes the impact of excellent draft choices and highlights the consequences of poor selections.
Trades should be permitted to exchange points accumulated throughout the season. For instance, a trade could involve swapping points from one drafters total point pool from the season to another along with a trade. This adjustment aims to increase the desirability of trades among participants.
The drafting process should follow the format established in Season 2. This ensures consistency and fairness, whereby a participant who achieves a high score in one episode cannot automatically draft first in the subsequent episode, unless such a selection is part of a trade agreement.
Crag Brag Idea: Jimmy, Joez/Zack, and Jake each predict the winner of every event, including the overall winner of the crag brag. Points will be allocated based on the accuracy of their predictions. For instance, correctly predicting the winner of an event earns 300 points, while accurately selecting a contestant who finishes third awards 100 points. This proposal transforms "Crag Brag" into a title to brag about, rewarding the participant who demonstrates superior drafting skills across all events.
This is so much better than traditional sports right now. I'm invested
They should just get the total points acquired by their competitor for each episode, so there is more reward for a truly awesome contestant AND each event has more value.
Scoring 1 2 3 is the same as 0 2 4 AND 1 3 5, because the point gap between the first + second and third + second is the same (123 = 1 point differences, 024 = 2 point differences, 135 = 2 point differences) so you can just pick the one that's easiest to math.
If you want to punish last place you can do 1 3 4 or 0 2 3 and if you want to reward first place you can do 1 2 4 or 0 1 3 (5 2 1 SUPER rewards first place and I think is too much). Last place getting 0 points is the functionally the same but has bigger mental impact!
If there's a randomly selected power up, it should go to last place overall at mid-season to keep them in it, kinda like Bullet Bill does for Mario Kart. Or, power ups after each ep to the loser and they can be traded, to encourage more trades. Then, a 10-ep season with first 9 eps 100,200,300 random order picks, and Crag Brag 10th ep with Crag scoring with pick order based on score from first 9 eps.
Treat the cragbrag like an allstar game and just have fun with it, prop bets like if jakes kid falls off or the water guy extends his elbow.
Or play the reverse, you try and draft the worst kid
Crazy idea, you get to re-draft after each event. ex you get 1,2,3 points per event then re draft accordingly (the crag would be 2,4,6).
New rules:
Scoring is 3-1-0 (same as win/draw/loss in soccer). Winning actually makes a difference this way.
Draft: Draft order should remain as-is (loser gets 1st pick). The draft happens AFTER the first event. The first event is basically the kids' college career that you get to see. The points they accumulate is extra incentive (and makes the first pick functionally have value, which it currently doesn't).
Nobody will read this and I'll be super sad, but oh well.
I like it. I am surprised they haven't traded a pick for a point or 2
@@C0achC0rey That's a good point, I never thought about them trading points for picks
I REALLY think you should use the Guts scoring. It is not that much math.
Also, it fundamentally doesn't matter if last place gets points. 0, 2, 4 is mathematically exactly the same as 1, 2, 3.
1, 3, 5 is also the exact same. If you can do the same things to each number and get to the same result, it is the same. 1,2,3, double it gets 2,4,6. Subtract 1 and it gets 1, 3, 5. Subtract another one and you get 0, 2, 4.
This is basic group theory (which, granted, is a 400 level class in college).
Using the Guts scores would be WAY better. You don't need to do the actual math before you do trades.
Five episode seasons following exactly Guts' scoring system with the fifth episode being crag points seems like a no brainer. The unanswered question there is just how draft picks work.
Acting like adding together two three digit numbers is an impossible hill indicates that calculators don't exist in their timeline.
"0, 2, 4 is mathematically exactly the same as 1, 2, 3" Everything you said except for this seems right. This is a point based game that they are playing and, here, the difference between 0 and 4 is 4 and the difference between 1 and 3 is 2. So that is not the same on a points system.
@@introx4040 Find me a scenario in which those two point systems don't result in the same people ending up in first, second or third or differences in tie games. That would prove me wrong. I assure you I am correct, but proving it involves teaching either group theory or at least linear algebra (really group theory isn't needed, linear algebra is enough, that's just a 200s level college course).
That's 3rd grade ain't no 400 level math class
Mastering the Watchin’ Guts format before they get to Watchin’ Global Guts is going to make that series even more amazing, I can’t wait. 🌋🗺️
Points per episode should be 5-2-0. Crag Brag should not be the season ender, but the season opener to decide first picks. Crag Brag should be "lottery" like Joez is saying, with three envelopes, previous season winner gets first envelope choice. That gives Crag Brag gravitas, without it overshadowing the season.
Just as a reminder. I know math is not your strongsuit guys, but there is no mathematical difference between 4,2,0, and 3,2,1 and 5,3,1 and 300,200,100 in isolation. Do some quick napkin math, the only difference in outcome is the number of points. But the relative placements are identical. It's all Psychological.
Same with crag scoring for *every* episode. If the difference in points between second and third place is the same as the difference between first and second place then the scoring is functionally the same as 3.2.1 scoring
Guts has 160 episodes in case you were wondering. Also when you are done with Guts, you guys should do American Gladiators.
No way. The natural progression is Legends of the Hidden Temple
I think they may have worked out a deal where they actually have the rights to do this with Guts (same with the shirts). I think they paid Nickelodeon something. Jimmy mentioned that (or alluded to it) in one of the Morning Meeting videos I believe. So they'd have to pay for AG, the problem with it though is that there's only 2 male and 2 female competitors per episode, so they couldn't do these with 3 people.
@@WillDncn too many teams…. Unless they treat the first couple rounds as like a combine and then pick after that 🫨 I’m convinced now, after that thought.
@@ADoseofBuckley very true
@@ADoseofBuckley Zack gets the 4th leftover, bringing back the default leftover pick always.
It’s complicated but could be interesting. How about doing an auction? Start the season with “$1,000”. Nobody picks “first” in ep. 1, contestants are shown like normal, someone spins a wheel for the color up for bid, another wheel with you three for bid order, or shoot do a mini bid to be first bidder. Put a bid out, if you pass you’re out, must bid higher, if first bid is out bid twice they get the last say to win the bid. After ep. 1 the kids points are then put into your “bank” and become what you can bid with. Keep the finished first bid last or adapt the even distribution of first, second, third spots in bid order but randomly distributed. During the second event trade deadline, money can be swapped, along with bid position, and other ideas. At the end of the final episode of the season the team with the most funds left is the winner.
I suggested something similar. If the point system was 300/200/100, with an 8 episode season. Start all players with 400 points then auction off the draft orders for every episode. Do the auction as a blind bid. Everyone writes down a number of a card and reveal at the same time. Everyone has to pay with the points they bid, but whoever bid the most gets the first round pick for that episode, second the second pick, and least the third pick. Repeat for each episode. Any points you have at the end of the auction you get to start the season with.
400 points for 8 episodes is a 50 point budget per episode. If you bid 0 each time you get all third round picks but an extra 50 points per episode. You could adjust this too by adding a minimum bid, or reducing the starting point budget. It would allow for interesting strategies like saving your points for big bids on the last episodes, or thinking people will value late episode draft picks so you scoop some cheap first round draft picks at the start, etc.
Run entire season like an episode of Guts. 5 Episode Season. Scoring 300 1st 200 2nd 100 3rd. Equal picks of Ep. 1, 2, and 3. Ep 4 and 5 is playoff. Picks go to highest score thus far in season. Ep. 5 Crag brag scores like episode, 725 1st, 550 2nd, and 375 3rd.
I like 4-2-1 scoring system
Extra incentive for first, still something for third. Each place is worth double the one below it as well.
If the Crag Brag comes back. Make it a bigger deal. Project it in the Warehouse with an audience. Make it the Superbowl of Guts.
I think the Crag Brag should be at the start of each season and a win sets you up with incentives for the season. Kind of like a pre-season tournament.
On equivalent scoring:
For any system of scoring where [x,y,z] corresponds to the points awarded to 3rd, 2nd, and 1st place, then
[x,y,z] will produce equivalent outcomes as [ax+b,ay+b,az+b] where a and b are any constants.
So [0,1,2] is equivalent to [1,3,5]. In this scenario a=2 and b=1.
[0,1,2] also is equivalent to [0,2,4]. Here, a=2 and b=0.
And so on and so on
My takeaway is Zo makes a really good Mo and I would love to see him in a referee's jersey and a wig (optional) next season
Lol to start the important Playin Guts rules review 'your eating? Just wait.' Jake, 'I can go both ways on it'. That got me cracking up.
I say we call the whole thing “Jomboy’s Crag Race”
As for the crag brag itself. I think having a three episode Crag Brag “playoff” where your season finishing position is locked in for all three increases the stakes for the regular season as well as make the Crag Brag more important and less of a one-off, overshadowing event.
Some things I think could make things interesting. Award a bonus to the person who wins the crag every episode. Allow points to be added to trades. Do the drafting order via an auction.
Award a bonus to the person who wins the crag every episode. Say you did a scoring system of 300/200/100, you could award 25 extra points for the person that wins the crag. Example: Blue wins the episode, red comes in second but wins the crag, purple comes in third. The score for the episode would be blue = 300, red = 225, purple = 100. There were a couple times people stopped rooting for their person. I think having the lil extra for the crag winner would keep it exciting for all players until the end.
Allow points to be added to trades. So say Jake has the GOAT and Jimmy has a lame duck. If Jimmy wants the GOAT he could offer pick swaps but then also add in say 25-50 points to sweeten the deal.
Do the drafting order via an auction. Say the point system is 100/200/300 and 8 episode season. Start everyone with 400 points and auction the draft order for each episode. Any points left over after the auction that player gets to keep for the season. Then you could do an episode where Sam auctions off the draft order for each episode. There are a couple ways to run the auction, like you could do a traditional auction where people say out loud their bid and you raise until it is done. I think it would be more interesting to do blind bidding. Each of you right down your number and then reveal at the same time. Everyone looses the amount of points they bid from their 400 total regardless of the rank they are in. Whoever bids the most gets the first round draft, second gets second, least gets third pick for that episode. Then repeat for every episode. At 400 points to start, that is a 50 point budget for each episode. If you decide not to bid at all, you would end up with all third round picks and would start the season with 400 points. I think that is balanced. You could also decide to put out small bids on the first episodes and save for the last episodes and get the first round picks at the end. Or, knowing others are going to do that, you put out modest bids at the start and pick up cheap first round picks, then save your points at the end. I think that would be a fun way to start the season.
Also some power up ideas for Joez:
Block a trade
Give someone else a gummy (or a nibble)
Push the trade deadline into one more episode
A draft stipulation/insurance, like, I pick red unless they lose the first event in which case I pick Purple
Blindfold another player for an event
Make someone wear the stinky shirt
Mute another player (they can't talk for an event)
I think the challenge with the power ups would be figuring out power ups that are not crazy good such that each person could have one of them. Otherwise it would be chaos. It is tough with an 8-9 episode seasons. A longer season would work better with power ups. Another idea would be to have a power up auction at the start. Just like the draft order auction you could have one copy of each power up and auction them off with the draft order auction. Then you could add some more powerful things like,
Randomize the draft order
Forced draft swap
Make an episode worth double points
Forced blind draft (ie force someone to use their draft pick to select a color without seeing names or the intro)
Episode skip, if you don't like the crop then you could use this power to skip to the next episode
Watch the first 5 seconds of a group event, or the first 5 seconds of one players first event before your draft pick
Then auction off 3-5 of them. Someone could try a power up season and value their bids on getting them or someone could focus on getting good draft picks or you could try to go for value bids and scoop stuff cheap and save your points to start the season with.
What’s so difficult about using the final score of each episode, no matter what trades were made. The color of your shirt at end of episode is the amount of points you get
2 Power Ups for next season:
Step Up - for a non crag event, choose a competitor. That competitor gets points for 1 place higher. 3rd place gets points as if 2nd, 2nd as if first. Risk is if they win anyways you wasted it.
Step Down - similar to above but moving down a place. 1st to 2nd, 2nd to 3rd, risk is if they lose anyways you wasted it.
Just go with the point total your guy got instead of assigning points. So if it ended 1,400 / 1,275/ 875. Those are the scores you get for that episode. Would be random and can gain. The 4-2-0 is the same as 5-3-1 which is the same scoring as the Crag brag.
3-2-1 scoring, 9 ep season, and if you have the first draft pick, you can commit to a Double or Nothing when you draft. If your kid comes in 1st you get double points, but 2nd or 3rd is 0 points. If you trade your kid the Double or Nothing goes away, all kids are just worth their regular point value. That's a good blind factor with a high risk/reward.
I was not too fond of Crag Brag season 2 because that episode would have been AMAZING during a season. All 3 tied leading into the Crag would have been great drama, instead, it was whatever.
I really think that Krag winner of every episode should count as an extra point
Can really feel the Kushy dreams doing their job in this vlog lmao
In a similar vein to the Mario Party idea, how about a duel? Someone can challenge another to 1v1 in an event. Winner gets both points, loser none or something similar.
Use the full score of the episodes (rewards a great draft) and allow trades for picks and points. (Ex. Trade a 3rd pick for a first with 300 point kicker). The points don’t count toward the episode, only the season total.
Someone will create you a spreadsheet that does all the math for you.
Re Powerups: I think a blind doubledown would be fun. Either before a (non-crag) event you can choose to double the score or during the pick phase you can choose to double the score for the whole episode
i hope the next show after we're out of guts is supermarket sweep.
Using the player's cumulative points feels like it would have the potential to get off the rails if you have a kid that has 100's in the first two rounds and you're trying to move off them, or the inverse with people trying to trade up for the stud that's gonna put up the 1925 game, which could potentially end a season then and there.
I THINK…
Y’all should use “GUTS” scoring system.
In that when your current player scores, you add that rounds score to your total.
Your total should carry over episode to episode.
Leave drafting the same so that “bad drafters” have to pick 1st and so that “good drafters” can not ride hot streaks.
To Jake’s point, this system would reward studs that dominate, and would place more value on getting points consistently rather than just winning the episode.
Im more invested in these blogs more than anything on youtube outside the watchin playin guts
Awarding points as 5-3-1 is exactly the same as awarding 4-2-0 or 3-2-1. It will not affect the results at all.
“Okay then how about 300-200-100??” 😂😂😂
That's why they need 3-1-0. Going with the soccer scoring system.
I just someone here could do math and have confidence. Zo and Zach need to speak up
I love this series so much
When it comes to ties, the points don't matter. It's the number of games. Can't be an even number, and can't be a multiple of the number of teams. Since there are 3 teams, the TOTAL number of games needs to be 5, 7, 11, 13, etc.
There is not a CZcams series that consistently makes me laugh harder than Playin’ Guts. The way they just quietly listened to Joez’s absolutely awful envelope suggestion and then roasted him was excellent.
A 5-3-1 is the same as a 4-2-0
It's so funny to see them keep doing the same thing but think it's different.
I want an episode where Jimmy Jake and Joez compete against each other in actual guts events
What percentage of the entertainment in these videos comes from the draft/trades/contest between the boys? For me, like 3%. Yet its the focus of each one.
Episode 1-8 is 300, 200, 100
Episode 9 the crag brag is crag scoring
This is the way.
Would it be problematic that episode 9 pick #1 would be valued more?
@@kylelawless9734 The picks should be determined by the current places in the season, unless someone specifically trades it.
i think go 5 episode total instead of 9.
I like how they dismissed using actual contestant scores because they couldn’t do the math and wound up using crag scores, which they’ve never been able to figure out 😂
I have a suggestion to make the crag brag seem more incentivized to do well during the regular season.
So it would be 2&3 in a playoff with 1 as a bye making the season a possible 10 episodes.
The incentive is that the higher rank player has the ability to keep or change their draft pick but has to make that choice at the end of round 2.
So in round 1 of the crag brag playoffs 2 would have that choice it then transfers to the winner do the regular season for round 2 of the playoffs.
You then also have the crag brag bracket!!!
Is there any difference between 4-2-0, 5-3-1, 3-2-1? If the difference between 1st and 2nd is the same as the difference between 2nd and 3rd, isn’t the scoring functionally the same?
Yes, but that's part of the bit. The entire fun of these videos is to watch 3 grown men struggle with math for 20 minutes while touching a beach ball
3 points for a win
1 point for second
0 points for third place
I LOVE Joez' idea of a time power up.
Thoughts for a Crag Brag
The cumulative total of contestant points during the Crag Brag episode gets added to players final season points. The player with the most cumulative points wins
OR
3 or 2 episode Crag Off (depending on 8/9 episode season, this way following season starts with fresh events), each player picks a color to stick with during all crag off episodes. Order is determined by seed of regular season. Color with the most cumulative points at the end of all crag off episodes is crowned crag brag champion.
I know you guys dont want to be told the math but
4/2/0
5/3/1
3/2/1
2/1/0
are all functionally the same exact system. there is no situation where the standings would be any different with any of these systems.
No those are for the most part different. Just look at the second place compared to first place. The first scenario 2 second places is as good as a first. The next scenario second place is more important.
@@terb44 In both the first and second scenarios 1st place gets 2 points more than 2nd place and 4 points more than 3rd, 2nd place gets 2 less points than 1st and 2 more points than 3rd, 3rd place gets 4 less points than 1st and 2 less points than 2nd. If you give all teams an extra point, that point has no effect. The change in series standings after a game is the same either way.
@@terb44 you could subtract 1 point from everyone in 5/3/1 and you end up with 4/2/0. if you convert the past 2 guts seasons to 5/3/1 you end up with the same winner each time. no matter what the results the standings will remain the same with all 4 of those point systems.
It should go back to 6 episodes a season since they keep the same course for 3 episodes. Then, have a tournament where you are locked into a color, for 3 games. Whoever wins gets 1 pick in the tournament
There are only 129 episodes of Guts! Watch out how long you extend the season.
GLOBAL GUTS!
What about a season draft. first thing you do is go through all the contestants that will be in the season and draft your choices. That would bee your roster and trades could be made for future prospects as well as strait up episode contestant trades. It would make it feel more like a team manager and less like your picking horses for a race. it would also help with the shirt shuffle.
9 episode season, draft order is set so everyone gets 3 first picks, 3 second, 3 thirds. Tally up how many points your player gets every episode, and whoever has the most points from said players at the end of the season wins. It's simple, yet a lot of math involved, but I think that truly would decide who has the best strategy and drafting skills over the course of a season. This still leaves room for trades as well
We need a season of Global Guts.
Zo’s idea was genius and they didn’t even really listen, they said they would use it as a tiebreaker, they should use it no matter what, it really adds intensity to the season finale, gives everyone a chance to win.
look, when a worm turns into a flower...
Listen to the whole thing. I think a good scoring option would be 4-2-1. First place will get a little buffer, but not too big. But also, Krag winner of every episode gets an extra 1 point.
There shouldn't be any power ups or downs, that'll make it to complicated. And it'll probably take away why we even enjoy watching this series.
I have a solution thats WAY more fun than just changing the points for the Crag Brag.
The winner of the regular season should be able to FORCE a trade at any point before the trade deadline if they want in the Crag Brag. That way, the winner gets a huge advantage while still leaving the door open for shenanigans and good/bad trades.
Open to ideas for a possible power given to 2nd place thats lesser than the regular season's winner's power, but that is better than nothing to incentivize trying until the end. Maybe you can force a trade with the last place team at the deadline.
Joez broke his no-hit yoga ball streak with the 6-3-1 points proposal.
I think the final scoring of each player each round would be best. Say 'Sam' got 1875 points that would go to the person who selected them but if another player sucked and got way less like 1150 then they would get 1150. That way if a person selects a run away winner they get more points than just any other win. It could make for some big swings in the season and make every individual event count for something
Just count the exact points totalled. It would create more variance.
THE SCORING FOR EACH EPISODE SHOULD BE THE EXACT SCORE THAT YOUR PLAYER SCORED. SO LETS SAY JIMMY DRAFTS RED AND RED WINS THE EPISODE HE GETS WHATEVER RED SCORE IN THE EPISODE AND SAME GOES FOR EVERYONE ELSE. Unless the math is too much 😂 just use a calculator. Like if Joezac loses and finish 3rd and in the episode the kid only got 900 points then joezac gets 900
I think this would be fun. You could have a winner with 1125 or a loser with 1350. Lots of fun and excitement
I don't think there should be even spacing between where you finish (e.g., 0,2,4), doing a -5-2-1 or 3-1-0 gives more value to actually winning