Shocking Crash Tests Result. Was It Fair?
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
- In our latest episode, we uncover the startling results of recent crash tests: the Mahindra Scorpio and MG 5 both received zero stars from ANCAP. This rare and concerning outcome raises serious questions about vehicle safety standards. Previously, only one vehicle, the Renault Trafic/Mitsubishi Express van in 2021, had ever scored so low since ANCAP's founding in 1993. We also look back at the Proton Jumbuck's 2009 crash test, which barely managed one star, and the Mitsubishi Galant's impressive five-star performance in 1993. Intriguingly, the Scorpio had previously achieved five stars in NCAP tests. Join us as we delve into the complexities of crash test ratings and ask a critical question: Is a car's safety rating truly indicative of its safety, or are these ratings swayed by the testing regulations? Tune in for an eye-opening exploration into the world of automotive safety.
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This is so, because of Scorpio not having ADAS systems in the car. The car structurally was rated 4 stars! So 0X4 = 0 ( very odd kind of rating strategy)
It also scored 17.67 out of 40 in adult occupant protection, which is not good. And 14.94 out of 63 in road user protection, which is poor.
@@Aviator7477Nothing against anyone but does that not include having no rear seat belt alarm as one of the criteria. I own a Scorpio N. it’s a very well built SUV. I must point it out, competition got really tough in Australian SUV market after entry (at 35k) of Scorpio N. Mahindra will provide ADAS but it should strictly be a choice of buyer. On Indian roads, ADAS is useless. Global NCAP in my opinion is a better standard.
Even with ADAS it would have scored 2-3 stars only. It received decent child safety rating, but less than descent adult safety rating.
@@Subh8081yeah because they gave a massive penalty of damaging the test vehicle coming from front 😂 how other car structure any important for my safety?
@@SuyashKaulthat's stupid if I buy and car I will care about my own safety not for the occupants in the incoming car lol😂😂😂
How stupid to score a car without adas on the basis of adas🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Read the test report first buddy. It was not scored on the basis of ADAS. The structural integrity is not as strong as everyone think it is. The score for driver and child occupants was very poor. ADAS was supposed to amplify the safety which in this case was already very poor. There are hundreds of cars without ADAS that ANCAP tested and only one of them got 0 star before ScorpioN.
The car manufacturers cut costs and blame zero star ratings on geopolitics? Give me a break!
The MG5 base model didn't even have seat belt pretensioners!
Go read the report. This video is flawed. Probably paid by the car makers to try to cover up the fact a bad car was made.
@@Areyoukomedymeactually the test report is basis on ADAS. Australian NCAP added the 'ADAS mandatory' in 2023. And the ScorpioN was tested after that new rule. That's why only ScorpioN from Mahindra got 0 star. Otherwise it should definitely get 4star minimum.
Actually the new rule is like, structural safety=4⭐.
ADAS safety=0⭐.
Total- 4×0=0⭐.
@@Areyoukomedyme The thi
@@SampaadDeywhat was even the point of testing it, knowing it has no adas.
That 86 Passat at the end entered a wormhole
haha, good one!
It was travelling at 160khm whilst loaded with ballast, not fair to judge the safety of that car over one extreme crash test.
@Swiss4.2
Exactly. No one mentions it was loaded with concrete ballast.
It has 10 star rating for slowing the vehicle down
@@TrumpAlwaysWins.
Hur-dur.
Even if you put a fucking TANK instead of ScorpioN, the ANCAP will still give it a zero if there's no ADAS.
😂😂😂
Yeah, and comparing to historic ratings is garbage too because they change the meaning of stars over time.
avg mahindra fan boi
@@VIN_HYPEI mean technically speaking, he ain't wrong tho
Tanks are one of the worse things you want to be in for a crash
ANCAP has mandatory ADAS and any car which doesn't have it will be rewarded 0... It has nothing to do with the crash test...
Mahindra scorpio has 5star based on crash test but ANCAP regulations of ADAS makes it 0...
Gather some knowledge first about whatever you’re gonna comment about.
@@Areyoukomedyme
A range of tests and assessments are conducted within each of the four areas, with vehicles required to meet minimum score thresholds for each star rating level. A vehicle’s overall star rating is limited by its lowest performing area of assessment
From new Zealand govt page
Even without that it's crash safety rating for adult occupants was abysmal
ANCAP is irrelevant now. The driver assist tech could be totally crap but if it's their you get 5 stars what Bullshit.
@@corporalpunishment1133 nope, you need to pass the driver assistance tests in order to get a rating just having is not enough. And scorpio n was rated abysmal in adult occupant safety in regular crash test as well. Global ncap is way lower than ANCAP at the moment, they dont even front partial overlap crash test or rollover tests
Not having functional adas system made it 0 stars, structural safety doesn't matter to them which was 5 stars
have u seen Scorpio n accident where owner lost his leg
Structural safety??? It scored only 40% in adult safety
44% adult safety is measured as In passive safety so called structural safety. What else to expect from non biased organizations.
@@amarbinay6654It was due to the service center staff of mahindra
shitty indian car makers@@amarbinay6654
I always felt NCAP or any safety grading system should implement a grading/score that just focuses on the impact the driver/occupants face as a separate measure. They could give another star grading for things like having ABS, ADAS, AIRBAGS etc. what is the point of having 12 airbags if the whole system fails its purpose?
People want a clear and easy to read scale, not a nuanced and complex assessment of the actual strengths and weaknesses of the cars. If you want that, it's freely available for you to consult.
But then, active security systems are also crucial (by the way, airbags and ABS have been around for just as long as the NCAP institutions, singling them now is a bit incoherent), because the safest (and most economical) car is the one that never gets in an accident. Active systems are becoming more prevalent and widespread and accessible, and it's become something we can expect from all types of cars, it's fair to adapt the crash tests to reflect that.
US ratings don't take ADAS into account. Their ratings are exclusively on occupant safety.
@@ambergris5705 as much as i hate dumbing down statistics for the average user, i have to agree. the general public is way less smart than anyone could expect. if you want a taste of how stupid people are, imagine the average person. half of the world is dumber than the average person. thats just statistics
There are literally 0 cars without abs or airbags today. I learned to drive without
@@daniel-ino you'd be surprised to discover extremely low budget cars for needy people.
The Passat 1986 was a juice extractor. I had an Audi 80 from that period so probably with exactly the same construction as the Passat. Luckily I never crashed it.
Don't know if Audi was part of VW in 1980
@@saurabhsinha4782 It kinda was but the parts were not interchangeable.
Different design.
@@saurabhsinha4782 Volkswagen bought Audi long before the 1980s. It seems the Passat was based on the Audi 80.
Every car of this era was a Human juicer, except for maybe the volvos
The Passat in that infamous crash test was travelling at 95mph whilst loaded with 300kg of ballast in the trunk, not saying it makes the car safe but its not a complete death trap.
The Scorpio-N received 5 star rating in global ncap, then how it became 0stars? 🧐🥴
"Global ncap" is a joke, move on
ANCAP Gave it Zero Stars because of the lack of ADAS systems.
@@misath113who told you? Look at structural stability of scorpio N. The car was given zero star because ANCAP assess cars on having ADAS fearures. Which the scorpio lacks. Otherwise it would have scored 5 stars there too. Its just about regulations of the testing body
Bro safari got 5 star and it does not have ADAS😂😂
@@harshvardhanpathak6083 thats because every ncap has different regulations. ADAS is a very new feature to cars in the Indian market,that's why it is not counted as standard feature in cars in india. But it is counted as standard feature in cars in Australia that's why it was given a 0 star in ANCAP. We are talking about ANCAP not about BNCAP.
ANCAP would award zero stars to a 5* Volvo from few years ago just because it doesn't have a ADAS😂.
probably
A Volvo from 5 years ago has ADAS
Read my comment again @sha22276. I meant there are many volvos which scored 5* rating without ADAS and they would score zero now.
Nowhere did I mention "5 years".
As long as that passenger compartment doesn't crumple like a soda can, you are good in any vehicle.
It would have scored 4star but it doesn't have active safety features which automatically gives it 0 star i don't understand the logic but it is what it is
i mean i guess... but at the same time having no crumble zone will result in a deadly vehicle as well. technically it's about giving you as much time before stopping the vehicle to spread the impact.
it's not the fall that kills you it is hitting the pavement at 120mph (technically it's the change in acceleration that occurs there)
so how do we create a vehicle that is optimised to crash at any sane speeds.
@@micklenier6152 It scored 5 star adult and 3 star child safety rating in Global NCAP tests, since ANCAP has some mandatory active and passive safety systems as a part of their rating criteria, this was bound to be a 0 star car, overall, it's a decent value. The case is similar to 05 Punto EURO-NCAP results, which scored 5 stars back then and 0 in 2017, both are solidly built and do have enough crumple zones to dissipate the energy. You would be amazed to see the safety ratings of suzuki cars in India for instance.
The 1986 vw passat 😮
inr
disappeared in the wall
Loaded with concrete ballast.
Safest of all cars
It's a concrete wall... What did you expect?
ANCAP also give military tank 0 star beacuse they dont have adas
The galants were no joke at the time. In 2019, I was in an 2002 Galant on a four lane highway when a teenager in a full-sized pickup crossed without looking at 45 or 50 mph and t-boned me squarely on the driver's side doors and pushed me thirty feet off the highway, totaling his vehicle in the process.
When everything came to rest, my airbag had deployed, my door was stuck but had not buckled, my window was shattered, and the engine was actually still running, although the frame was too bent to limp it onto a trailer.
I had bruised ribs and small cuts from the chunks of window glass, but otherwise, uninjured, and I am confident that few large sedans from that long ago would have produced such a clean outcome.
It's all about the money with private organisation. ADAS is not suppose to be part of crash test as it is part of braking.. It is the very basics of doing crash test. Crash test is all about structural rigidity, interior and exterior passenger safety including child safety.
Finally somebody talking sense!! Bravo mate.
have u seen Scorpio n accident where owner lost his leg
@@amarbinay6654 that’s out of context that accident reason was wheel separation while driving and side rails penetrating the interior. Point here which i am making is adas has nothing to do with crash test but to do with crash avoidance assistance. Kids are using adas today in a sub 20 lac bracket or in a past 2 years in a sub 40 lac bracket, I have been using a similar system in my volvo s60 that was introduced way back in 2011. The car is suppose to crash to get get the numbers in any ncap. Above 50kmph all ncaps are of no use its just the way it is.. Can't buy a 5 star car expect 100 percent safety in any vehicle accept a volvo no death in 22 years.
@@Dushyantdabas avg indian supporting their extremely shit tin can cars. Let me guess, you will say maruti is also 5 star in safety?
And it performed below average in crash test ratings as well
Proton Jumbuck or Proton Arena as we call it here in Malaysia, started commission in 2002 till 2009. A car sought after by car enthusiast, saw a price hike upward to RM30,000+ or around USD6,524.
The engine 4G15(ori) usually was swapped to a bigger capacity engine like 4G63 or 4G93. And were even custom facelifts to look like Mitsubishi Evo 3 or even R32/R33
Two years ago at a panel shop we had one written off because they didn’t the tail gate they are worthless here
@@goblindeeznutzz where is here?
Yeah, apparently car enthusiasts don’t care about safety.
That passat just got removed from existence
All Suzuki cars in India get 0 stars and still is the best seller in India, India is truly not for beginners
that's because a 0 star car is still 10 times safer than a two wheeler from which most of the first time car buyers are upgrading from.
A NCAP consider ADAS System crucial, even though mahindra performed very well in mechanical ratings just because it dosnt have any ADAS system ANCAP rated them as 0 star 😊
I think the Australian NCAP should collide their 5-star rated car with the Scorpio N and reevaluate their rating of zero stars to Scropio. Scorpio N alrrsdy rated as 5 stars in GNCAP.
it also get 5 stars from global NCAP
@@MSAutoSnapIt's all about money lol. Global ncap is a joke you pay them money they will make your 0 star coffin into a 5 star rated tank 🤣☠️
@@MSAutoSnap well global ncap is lenient when it comes to crash tests so most cars scoring 5 stars in gncap are likely to score just 2-3 stars in ancap or european ncap. and if mahindra really bothered about crash test ratings then they wouldnt use double standards their scorpio classic scored 2 stars in gncap and so did the bolero neo which scored 2 stars. mahindra will learn from this and equip that car with adas. anyways the kind of mechanical and safety failures in the new mahindra xuv700 and scorpio n just totally justify its 0 star rating.
ANCAP is the Australian testing centre for cars.
The car you misidentified was the 1993 Mitsubishi MAGNA. Sold under different name in other countries. It was back when the rules were first introduced and Mitsubishi designed the car to meet the 5 star rating.
There has been many 0-3 star vehicles that are now banned in Australia because of new rules and more safety features (that these vehicles do not have )
In the report of ANCAP
They say Scorpio is a danger for other car involving in a frontal collision with it lol
Crash test regulations evolve regularly, to keep in with the times. Cars are getting safer in general, so there is the necessity for the regulators to follow those trends, otherwise all of cars would get perfect scores despite huge disparities in reality. Today, active security is just as crucial as passive, and the NCAP are trying (awkwardly sometimes) to reflect that.
It’s about the force experienced by the driver. The car may look like it was just put in a wood chipper but it took .5 seconds for the force of the crash to hit the driver thus saving their lives. Stop misleading people by just being like “this car got so much more damaged so therefore worse” type excuses.
That beginning red car is the Nissan Tsuru, a very popular car made for the mexican market. It was cheap and semi reliable, making it popular for taxis and familiy cars. They stopped making them in 2016 due to how horribly unsafe they were.
These were the first gen Nissan Sentra's in the US. Nice little light weight reliable car but not very safe in a crash.
Scorpio was intact after the crash, what's the problem
The problem is with their rules of testing they gave it zero stars because of the absence of ADAS I feel it's bullshit missing ADAS doesn't mean that you give it zero like 4 stars still would have been digestetavle.
As Alex said, this doesn't make any sense.
It also scored 17.67 out of 40 in adult occupant protection, which is not good. And 14.94 out of 63 in road user protection, which is poor.
So you're fine with the passengers inside dying rather than car being damaged?
They'll also give zero ratings to CyberTruck as it will kill pedestrians. 😂😂😂
If ANCAP had minus scores, it would be -5 out of 5.
It would be funny if the -5 score was only exclusive to the Cybertruck
Giving it a rating of zero for no ADAS is silly. ADAS won't save you in a crash, it might prevent an unnatentive driver from crashing.
A tank going at 20km/h has no ADAS yet no one dies from crashing a tank. Airliners have more ADAS than any car on the market but when something goes wrong people still die.
the Mclaren F1 had a crash test done. it did so well that it could legally be driven home if it weren’t for the broken headlights
Each year they raise the bar on safety, a 5 star car in 2000 would be the 0 of today
That’s means the powers that be don’t want us to have it… let’s each buy 2
Guys even with adas it has less than 40% adult protection. So pipe down kids
It makes sense for vehicles tests to get more difficult year over year. Engineers should always be making the safety better
It is ridiculous that they would give a car a score of zero not because it was incredibly unsafe but because it didn't have all the features the testers wanted. All it proved is that I cannot factor in these scores if I'm assessing the safety of a vehicle.
Sometimes it depends on how much car manufacturers pay the testers.
The Euroncap ( European version)has giving 0 stars 3 times. For the Fiat Punto, Fiat Panda and the Renault Zoe.
Cars should have safety ratings based on how safe they are for the driver and passengers in a collision and how safe they are for other drivers and passengers in a collision. We need to get rolling battering rams (also inaccurately referred to as light trucks) off the roadways. If they want to skirt motor vehicle regulations, then keep them on the farms. If they want to be on the roads, then they should conform to the regulations everyone else has to.
Okay y'all. We need to clear up some details.
The Ancap score is a combination of
1. Adult occupant protection
2. Child occupant protection
3. Vulnerable road user protection
4. Safety assist
These cars don't have Safety assist, true. And vulnerable road user protection is not important.
But these cars didn't score very highly in the passenger protection either. Both are around the 40% mark. The Scorpio scored an impressive 80% in the child protection.
Having 0 stars may be unwarranted because we put too much focus into the active safety instead of making good drivers but these cars have a long way to go for passive protection too.
Anarcocapitalists are ruthless in their tests
It's all just geopolitics. Mahindra has been gaining a lot of market share in Australia very quickly... Eating market share from giant American and Japanese companies providing good cars in literally half the prices... Australia is essentially a state of America.
They did what they had to to negatively impact the sales of Mahindra.
And yes... Not having ADAS was just an excuse for giving 0 stars... Because the car in itself if very safe, if thr test was fair and not rigged, the car deserves atleast 1 or 2 stars.
most people dont even know what ADAS is they see 0 stars they think unsafe
@@MSAutoSnapBro Pls educate PPL about this so that they know not having adas doesn't make a car 0 star❤
@@JeeAspirant327have u seen Scorpio n accident where owner lost his leg
What is Adas
@@vueport99 exactly
These crash test ratings are useless since cars are penalized for not having certain features.
Logically, if an alert driver is driving that car, it becomes 6 star.
the structural integrity actually looks very good. no buckling of the a pillar like the range rovers of old
There is "G" which adds up in every crashes. "G" refers to the acceleration due to gravity, typically denoted as "g." It's a measure of the acceleration experienced by an object due to the gravitational force exerted by the Earth. On the surface of the Earth, the standard acceleration due to gravity is approximately 9.81 meters per second squared (m/s²). In the context of car crashes, "G" is often used to describe the force experienced by occupants during sudden changes in velocity, such as during a collision. For example, if someone experiences 20 Gs in a crash, it means they are subjected to 20 times the force of gravity. So you be thinking that its not fair that other car with dummy inside survives but still get a zero or bad star. G also adds up the chance of your death after the crash.
i remember my first car a fiat grande punto having a 5 star crash rating in 2006 when the car was built, but when i bought it in 2016 it suddenly had 0 stars due to the comparisin with new safty regulations.
Renault Trafic: very much survivable, ZERO STARS. Proton Jumpack: You'd be absolutely fucked for life, ONE STAR. < logic.
1986 VW Passat be like : u wanna see my flexibility?!
As a Malaysian, we don't really use the Jumbuck anymore. We use a similar car "Proton Wira".
jumbuck tu arena bos
They never told Mahindra people that the vehicle needs to win a 3 round boxing fight with a Papa Roo. Thus the 0 rating.
RIP to the last driver in the last car 💀
Judging a car without adas on the basis of adas , is like judging how sour a chilli can be
😂
Holy shit that passat at the end dissappeared
I can see people are trying to defend ScorpioN 🤭
Still scorpio is star product. And my favourite 😊
Scorpio N
What is the difference between ANCAP and NCAP?
However, with some new Australian vehicles, it's important to know if a car's NCAP rating is a local (ANCAP) or European rating. The key difference between them is that the EuroNCAP enforces stricter conditions for pedestrian protection, while the ANCAP's scoring system is tougher on vehicle occupant protection.
MG? That's not an MG, it's a Chinese car with MG written on in crayon
I wonder why it's front right wheel got dislodged here?? 🤔
I check the body shell when it comes to these tests. Safety would depend on how your body reacts or responds to different scenarios. But a strong body structure will surely make a big difference.
That last car got demolished
It is amazing they telling me about how safe car is based on systems I switch off every car I drive... Thanks
seeing that driver in the galant absolutely eat shit makes me wanna reevaluate my car choice. wanted to get a galant some time ago but never did... now i want it again.
So basically if they crash test a bullock-cart then it will score full 5 star, since bullock is intelligent enough to stay in it's lane and would stop automatically if car ahead stops. It has all ADAS features by default. The result is -
Bullock cart - 5 stars
Mahindra - 0 stars
fun fact : proton jumbuck in Australia while in Malaysia we call it proton Arena
The star rating is stupidly arbitrary.
Their is one incident about Scorpio N that one guy lost it's due to the negligence of the mechanics of Mahindra company. He said that he went to the showroom several times and complaint about that matter but they refused to fixed it. Later after that incident the Mahindra Showroom knew that it was their fault, so they decided to burn the car and not only that they also wanted to hide it. Which shows that Scorpio N is not safe.
Who tf wants a Mahindra? I wouldnt even take it if they were giving keys away at the dealership, even with a 5* rating
And I would take it. Look at South Korea and their brands: Hyundai, KIA and SsangYong. Used to be laughing stock and nowdays they re often sought after because of their reiability and decent price. Times are changing, mostly for worse but eastern cars are getting better (not counting Russia)
People who actually want affordable cars not money pits
Holy shit that last car.... Obliterated
Australians don't know driving or what? No adas means zero stars... Wow...
Looks like a cheap tin box with adas is valued more than a great built car with no adas.
That's simply Dumb.
No we do not know how to drive.
Plus im fairly sure the government has made adas a requirement of all new vehicles.
At some point cars will get 0 stars because you will have to turn it on by yourself, im calling it...
Those crashes don't even look bad, there must be some other reason why they are scoring 0, like they didn't got paid under the table or a competitor paid to give bad reviews.
A real zero score would have cabin deformation.
Lack of ADAS.
Don't check the total star, just focus on adult safety ratings..
There were hundreds of cars without ADAS that ANCAP tested and only one of them got 0 star before ScorpioN. So no, ADAS was not the sole reason behind 0 stars in ScorpioN, stfu about it.
Its called a "Crash Test" So why are they worrying about ADAS?
In the background all I can hear is "You can try to play, but you ain't gonna defeat me. Look the other way, what I'm doing ain't easy. Bloody hands stained from the people.who decieved Muddy hands break these chains go Free me."
Song name: Free me (what's actually playing is the instrumental of the song).
So my car is 5 stars going off the original rating system while having no airbags. Hell yeah I’m indestructible
The car he called Galant is actually the Australian made Mitsubishi Magna which elsewhere in the world is sold as Sigma/ Diamante, it's Galants bigger brother. These cars are like tanks, basically Australia's Volvo or Saab
How can a car score 1 star after damage to a and b pillar while Scorpio suffered no damage to a pillar ,but still was given 0 star. Strange
I don't think that is a honor to have 0 stare in cash test.
I call bullshit. That dude smashed the steering wheel with his head and received 1 star and 5 star, while the Scorpio deployed airbags perfectly and barely crumbled halfway recieved 0
The Mitsubishi galant crash test looked like the car didn’t activate the airbags. How did it get 5 stars?
The Renault van is from 2014 and has already been replaced.
My dad drove a Renault Trafic for years. I gotta tell him.
tell him according to ANCAP he had greater chances of dying than wireless bungee jumpers
@MSAutoSnap
And yet in reality they're a very safe van.
And my familly used to rent Opel Vivaro/Renault Traffic (same car) for years durrnig summer holidays. We could die!!!;)
Corrupt rating the 0 star looks in better form than the 1 star
Safetey regluations became stricter over the years. You cant just compare crash test rests from the 90s with today because 5 starts back then meant a completely different level of safety
It’s also worth remembering that standards have changed dramatically over the years and that comparing safety stars between decades is meaningless.
But hey, I clicked so you win I guess
To answer the last question, its both. In real life, accidents are messy and unpredictable. We attempt to quantify it by having repeatable tests, but the reality is, there will always be situations where the cars hit each other in different ways that cause different reactions and result in different levels of crash protection.
I vant speak for the Mahindra, but for the MG, most of those models dont even have seatbelt pretensioners...
I am wondering why did Mahindra send Scorpio N for ANCAP if ADAS was mandatory in the first place.
Annoying driver assist that you turn off anyway counts for more than structural safety. Strange world.
Latin NCAP awarded a 0 stars to fiat mobi, but the director said if he could give it a negative score, he would. The driver would die in a 40km/h font end crash
So its the same result as it was with our Fiat 126p when we decided to crash it after communism fell. (Evryone would either be launched trought the front window or smashed when rear bumper finally hit the wall)
MG 5 looking like a straight knock off of a Volkswagen
my Renault had 5 stars with NCAP.....
one reason i got it, having a 5 years old daughter!
That passat almost faded
Helped along by having a shit load of concrete ballast on board.
Why Renault Traffic got that score? It looks solid.
Giving half or even one entire star less because there's no advanced driver assistance systems is one thing, but giving zero because of it?...
Just not even bother testing the car at that point. On the structural point of view, I'd have guessed a full five star rating!
Mitsi Magna ISN'T a Galant. The Magna/V3000 was supposed to be a bigger car than a Galant.
The reason Mahindra Scorpio-N got 0 stars in ANCAP because it doesn't has ADAS feature in it . But it got 5 stars in Global NCAP .
Biggest problem is no two impacts are the same or similar to the crash testing in real life
Damn the Tsuru really does look like a paper car getting crushed
Well the regulations are playing a big role.
I remember a car who got in the 5 stars in the crash test, was ~3 years later rated 1 star. Reason: Car had no
it's very good ADAS has become a must have standard, automated collision protection saves people.