RTI M38 CARCANO UNBOXING | Royal Tiger Imports Customer Service Experience | WWII Milsurp Rifle 7.35
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- I bought this M38 Carcano way back in April but haven't been able release a video on it until now because I was waiting to hear from RTI Customer Service first. This is a WWII Italian Fucile Modello 38 from Royal Tiger Imports. Of course like most of their Milsurps coming out of Ethiopia it's in pretty rough shape which I expected. What I didn't expect was for it to be missing hardware and have a bore that looks more like a rusted out musket than a rifle. I ordered a standard grade rifle but it turns out I was apparently sent a C-Grade rifle by accident which was half the price of the regular grade I paid for. After months of going back and forth with RTI customer service they finally got the issue straightened out and agreed to give me store credit for the difference. They also offered to do a full refund but I declined because I've already found a replacement barrel for it.
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RTI M38 CARCANO UNBOXING | Royal Tiger Imports Customer Service Experience | WWII Milsurp Rifle 7.35 - Zábava
A customer ot the gun shop I work for transferred in a k98 ethiopian contract mauser. He paid $999.99 plus tax, shipping and transfer fee. He had me go through it once it arrived. I was not impressed. The bore had no rifling in the last 12 inches of the barrel, and the barrel looked like a sewer pipe overall. Stock was badly cracked, and all bluing was long gone. Extensive pitting overall but especially under the wood line. It looked like it had been wire wheeled as any markings and serial stampings were obliterated. RTI gave him store credit after 6 to 8 weeks of hassle. I looked at the site at what was advertised and the example rifle was beautiful. What was received was no longer a rifle, just a really expensive club. A rusty sewer pipe attached to some firewood. I collect milsurps and ive bought many project rifles and restored them, but there has to be a foundation. There was nothing salvageable on that rifle, plus its wasnt advertised as a project but a complete serviceable rifle.
The K98s are way too expensive for me to roll the dice on.
Sounds like Hunter's Lodge!
Man, after my first and only purchase with them, I knew I’d never give them a dime ever again. Surprised you keep going back. I found a bunch of good condition 38’s at my LGS well under 500. They’re out there for good prices if you look around a bit.
Unfortunately I don't have a LGS that is even worth going to. I could have paid more for a much better rifle on GB or something for sure. I doubt I'd find an early M38 with the original handguard like this anywhere else so it's not a complete loss. I'm still on the hunt for a better condition shooter though. I'd really like to find one is 6.5.
@@ReadinessReviews Yeah, the silverlining is that you do have one with the initial production 38 handguard.
"Unboxing" = "Did I get screwed?" Sorry it is in such bad shape buddy. Sounds like they're earning that bad reputation.
Glad you received a partial credit.
It took them long enough but if they actually let me use the credit I'll be satisfied.
I’d like to see a Ethiopian k98 review
They seem to be pretty good and they only made a estimate of 50,000 made.
I'd like to have one since they are fairly rare. Maybe if they run a sale one day.
@@ReadinessReviews absolute keep up the great videos
Glad you got the credit with them.
We'll see if they actually let me use it lol.
Interesting video, glad they sorted out your concerns, sad it took shaming them to do it.
Cheers pete
Yeah. At least I finally got a response though.
Great review
Thanks!
The rifle is called mod.91 / 38 because it is the shortened version of the 1891 model made in 1938. Greetings from Italy
Italian and American collectors gave it this 91/38 destination. It was never referred to as such in any official documentation that I'm aware of.
Dang, that bore is a done! Like you I really look for shootability in my collection too, so I hear ya. I pretty much accepted paying the extra money for knowing exactly what condition a firearm is going to be in. Ive pretty much stopped looking at RTIs website after the extreme hit or misses Ive gotten. Axis and Classic seem to have okay stuff. Classic seems to have good customer service, Ive returned stuff though them before.
I like Axis and Empire Arms the best right now.
Great review, I have gotten 3 rifles from RTI and only one had a bad bore on it...
It's a dice roll.
I contacted RTI multiple times concerning an M.95 Steyr Mannlicher Rifle, but they never responded. Then I emailed Uli Wiegand directly via his email, and surprisingly he was very nice and quick to respond, but after almost 2 months I once again still haven't heard anything back. Concerning the surplus quality, I don't believe there is much they can do about that, but that's why integrity in service is so important. BTW Great video!
I don't have a problem with them selling rough condition rifles. I'm glad they are tbh. I would just like to see the quality control a bit better. If a rifle isn't a shooter it should be known before purchase and the price should reflect as much.
Dang that is one rough gun. I occasionally consider rolling the dice with RTI again, especially since there’s at least some value in parts guns. In fact sometimes there’s more value in the parts than a complete gun is worth. I occasionally dabble in de-sporterization so a donor gun often seems like a good idea... but if that’s how rough many of them are these days, it’s not even worth it from that angle either. Great review in any case, thanks!
I struggle with the same decision sometimes. The last thing I want to do is buy a gun for parts and all the parts be trash lol.
It’s a struggle for real. I bought 3 from them and the M1 cleaned up real nice but the No4 and K98 are real rust buckets and my K98 has a crack in the wrist smh
Good Lord, that bore.
Total trash. A 308 bullet may be too small lol.
I ordered an m91 from them earlier this year. It was in good shape. I ordered a second one and it was definitely their b grade as the stock was cracked all the way through with an old repair made, bayonet was loose, and the trapdoor was bent which prevented it from closing. I called them up and they swapped it out. Ordered an Enfield from them as well last year. Bores on all 3 rifles were nice just didn't like that the second m91 was even shipped as a B grade.
Glad they replaced it for you.
I have the folding bayonet for these. Super cool!
Very nice! Those things are worth almost as much as the gun.
I picked up a Carcano TS 91 (6.5) from PSA, pretty decent shape - except it was extremely dirty (It cleaned up nicely)
Awesome. Glad you got a nice one.
Definitely excited to see that barrel swap
Still need to find a barrel vice and action wrench.
@@ReadinessReviews Back in the 90s when I had my Gunsmithing shop, there was no real value in most milsurp rifles. I actually rebarreled a carcano to 45 ACP. I made my barrel vise when I was in Gunsmithing school and I had to make my own action wrench to fit the receiver. You won't likely be able to purchase the a suitable action wrench.
Thanks
Fantastic video, my man, here's a few loonies! (or a toonie) haha.
Dude! Thanks so much!! You didn't have to do that at all especially with all the ads you were bombarded with lol. You are the first person to use that new button.
I have an M38 that i bought about 4 years ago that was missing the trigger guard and mag well and it had a cracked stock. The bore is toast but still has rifling and shoots half way decent for a 6.5. Every time I clean the bore it looks like a chimney sweep just got done with it. I fixed the cracked stock at the receiver with acura glass and it seems to be holding up. I would like to restock it some and put a good barrel on it. Just need the folding bayonet now.
I love a good project gun!
If you have to replace all that you may be better off just buying another rifle that's in good shape.
@@jackbarnes9728 this was done way before M38 where imported into the country by RTI
RTI has rifles I want, then I watch these videos. Is an RTI grade ‘B’ going to have a sewer pipe bore?
It very well could. It's a complete dice roll. I know they will hand select for bore condition if you order over the phone and pay the fee.
@@ReadinessReviews You shouldn't have to pay extra to receive a gun that is in the shape of their description. Many videos of people talking about ordering and paying for one grade and getting something that's even lower. Never have bought from them but now I know I never will. I'm surprised Gun Jesus did a video with them with as bad as their reputation has gotten for selling marked up junk.
Well.. at least you received a rifle from rti I ordered one over a year ago from them and couldn't even get a email from them.
Wow that's insane. I've had to wait more than a month before for a full year is crazy. Do what I did and comment on all of their CZcams videos until they respond.
I bought an m38 from RTI that has a decent bore but the barrel is loose I mean I can literally screw it out by hand also the front screw that holds the magazine in place won't tighten because the lug it screws into that is a part of the underside of the barrel is completely stripped out. I couldn't see any of that until I took it apart to clean it and when I called RTI to ask if I could get an exchange they said sorry. Since I took it apart they wouldn't exchange it because I modified it. I also bought a K 98 from them that has a sewer pipe bore and a welded shut floorplate.
Now that's messed up....they won't accept a return because it was taken apart, wtf.
I've had decent luck with RTI, in the past. As for their customer service, they need a lot of improvement. I don't see it coming though, so I'm taking my money elsewhere.
Dang that bore was gone, I just ordered a YugoM48 and a Gras Carbine and going to do review of on them
I'd be curious to see the M48. That is one of the rifles I've thought about getting from them.
I think I paid $15.00 for mine at Big 5 in the 60s and sold it in 70 or 71 for $20.00. Mint condition. 6.5mm
Wish I would have been around in those days lol. I would have been completely broke.
Damn man, sorry it went so poorly. That thing is freaking rough, I hope it doesn't cost you too much to get it running.
I recently made my first purchase from RTI, a No. 5 no.MK 1 Enfield bayonet that was supposed to be the best batch they'd seen in a long time. Needless to say, what I got is a $250 hideous, rotting mess. Never again with RTI here..
Oof. That hurts. Sorry brother!
My bore is very similar to this one. I just got recently. But mine is covered in rust
I just sold a M38 in 7.35, in very good condition for $330. It was not SA stamped and the only thing wrong with it was the front swivel was missing.
Was a fair price!
Could you have the original barrel bored and rifled to accept .308-.312 diameter bullets so you could at least reload the 7.35 cases with more readily available bullet sizes?
The bore is so bad it may actually need a projectile larger than 308. But yes that could theoretically be done.
You outta make it a .410 shot gun with that shot out bore, sorry you had to deal with all that
I haven't done any business with RTI, but I have to imagine one of the only reasons they responded to you is because you have a decent following. If they can't respond to you for months, then that's a big nope for me which is unfortunate cause they do list some interesting stuff.
I don't know if my following had anything to do with their response or not. My channel is still so small.
@@ReadinessReviews I just realized how small your channel is. I just assumed by quality and content that you had way more subscribers. You deserve them! Best of luck!
@@ReadinessReviews I have read and watched many reviews about RTI and no response for months from them seems to be a common theme among buyers looking for their orders. Like others here it's a shame because they do have some interesting listings but their descriptions seem to be way off from reality.
my customer service with Rti was terrible I bought a steyr mannlicher carbine from rti a year ago and the bore of the rifle was just as in bad condition as your bore. My rifle itself the safety didnt function correctly on the gun and when i took apart the bolt the safety flaps back and forth. I called customer service sent pictures and everything and never heard back from them. I even got some dummy rounds of 8x56mmr and mannlicher endblock clips and found I had ejecting problems and I paid 350 plus shipping for a rifle that has a condundrem of problems.
Keep harassing them, they want you to give up
Yeah don't give up. Stay on them.
My brother ordered an AR from royal tiger last June and after 2 months, they canceled his order without notifying him. I’ve heard some stories about royal tiger but with the milsups I feel likes it’s a role of the dice. How’d your m95 turn out?
Haven't done much with the M95 other than cleaning so far. I'm going to do some stock repairs once I find the time.
@@ReadinessReviews nice! I’m thinking about ordering one as a project gun. With ammo so high, It fills in the lack of shooting I’m able to do. I’ve made some brass from 7.62x54R and it’s not that hard to hand load from what I’ve seen
My yugo M48 Mauser I bought from them now has the barrel shot out after about 20rds.
I'm sure it was already well on the road to being shot out before those 20 rounds.
They should definitely take that back and send you something better. That’s not even technically a rifle anymore! Like you said dude it’s a smoothbore now.
I ordered a yugo k98k and after 4 weeks it finally shipped. I’m not sure if I should be scared or excited. Wish me luck.
I would be a little of both lol. Let me know what kind of shape it was in. A M48 is actually one of the rifles I've thought about getting from them.
@@ReadinessReviews I got it and I actually ordered a m48 not the k98. It was really dirty and the action was crunchy and gritty. After a full cleaning it turned out well. The blueing was about %50. The bore was rusty but cleaned well with some good rifling. The receiver/action it self was the worst. The areas that made contact with the bolt were rusty and the bolt was filled with grease. After a lot of steel wool and degreaser it was good to go. $350 for the m48 was definitely worth it.
@@WHO-xi4zp thanks for the info. Glad you were happy!
Is that a carcano m91TS carbine bayonet that locks in from the side. If that's what that is I want one
So how long did you have to wait to get it in the mail? I’ve been waiting for my Gras rifle for two months now.
You should give them a call, I saw a review on their site saying that they lost the FFL file sent to them for their order and never contacted the buyer about it.
@@serioussoldier7977 I called them today and sure enough 20 minutes later it was magically shipped out.
Ryan Journey what a coincidence! 🤣
1 full month to ship and I had to call them to have it shipped.
I got a Mauser with a barrel like that from Classic firearms. Maybe more countries made muskets then we thought. Haha
I enjoy your content, just subscribed
Thanks for the sub!! It's not a good feeling to order a rifle and receive a "Musket" 😆
@@ReadinessReviews Yeah, it was not a good feeling. I did end up learning how to rebarrel a rifle though. So I guess that was a plus.
Hey boss any updates on this?
My carcanos bore wasn't that bad but it had some shit in it...but it actually cleaned up very good
My M38 carbine from them had a decent bore.
So far Ive been happy with RTI, the Gras works and has an ok bore and the Berdan has a great bore but I havent got shells for it yet
I wish I would have gotten a Berdan when they were 500.
We thinking about gettin a m1 carbine from em but idk thats a lot of dough to roll the dice on..idk I can't believe they expect people to spend almost 2 grand without even seeing what they are getting
I got my M1 from them before they were over 1k. What I got was really nice but I'd be afraid to order one now that the price is so much higher.
Was the purpose to buy this because of ethiopia or carcano? These are still available in canada for less than 350 dollars cdn. Maybe I should buy one of this is somehow worth buying.
Well I wanted a M38 that wasn't Finn Marked so this was about the only option without just getting lucky on the secondary market.
Did you send this back I'm worried now because I purchased an m38 about a week ago and it was strange because they have been out of these for about a month now and all the sudden one pops up for sale just one and I got it. I'm willing to bet it's probably this rifle if you sent it back I'm going to be pissed if so.
I didn't send it back. I plan on restoring it.
I also fell for RTI's bs. I got a K98 for $999, same thing bore was toast, paid an extra $200 for a hand select. RTI should sell the toasted bore rifles for serious discounts. Plus if you notice they seem to have an endless stock of things but when you get them...good night.
That's so messed up. They need to sort by bore condition.
Hi i have a carcano that looks like the one you have but with a folding bayonet with cardone stamped on it clean bore 6.5 cal payed 100 dollars 25 years ago your saying there hard to get and what kind do i have
not much classic firearms has a heck ton of those. hood onto it for another few years, youll get a couple hundred more after supply dries up. also run an oil patch through the barrel so it doesn't rust, lots of people take modern chrome barrels for granted.
Will do thanks
If yours is 6.5 I doubt it has the long handguard like this one. Only the very early 7.35 rifles will have a handguard like this one. That bayonet is definitely a huge bonus. They go for almost as much as the rifles at this point.
It's awful BUT it is the model 38 Prototype! Hard to get and only made part of one year, 1938. The correct bayonet is the side latch one also. Interesting..........(your bayonet on the video is a cut-down for WW1 VETTERLI 6.5mm rifle.
Good eye on the bayonet!
@6.10 RTI gave you store credit!
That's like the Zoysa grass they used to advertise on the back of the old TV Guide... 'Garunteed to Grow in Your Yard...' the Garuntee was Great, in small print it said that you didn't get a refund, you got 'replacement'. In other words, if you bought their grass and it wouldn't grow in your climate, they replaced it with More grass that Wouldn't Grow. What a Bargain!
You can get 'Store Credit' to get other overpriced Junk. Again, What a Bargain!
If I would have pushed for it they would have done a full refund. I didn't want to return the rifle though so I was happy with the outcome.
It's a Vetterli M70/87/15 bayonet
Good eye! I have the rifle to go along with it.
@@ReadinessReviews I do as well, they’re neat rifles. Even got brave and shot it a couple times with (very) light hand loads
@@copee3 unfortunately I'm not a reloader so I haven't been able to shoot mine.
Dude, these rifles have been sitting in a warehouse in Africa since the 40s. What do you expect? I cleaned up mine and looks fine.
I've cleaned up several myself over the past couple of years. There is no cleaning up that bore though. I'm very forgiving on firearm condition especially the stuff from RTI because I know where it is coming from but I draw the line at selling a rifle that is clearly not a shooter without disclosing so.
I'd never...ever...ever..give them a dime
Don't blame you.
Maybe not so bad after all, I have never seen an early one.
Yeah that was the reason I didn't want to send it back.
Why would you spend $300 on a carcano from Ethiopia? I have 3 and the most I spent was 220 on a nice Finish example. It's literally the last cheap surplus rifle available.
Well I wasn't aware it was going to be in such rough shape. I wanted one that was non Finnish because they are more rare. I also ended up getting a very early example which is quite uncommon. Sure it's in really rough condition but at least RTI gave me half my money back so I'm not upset.
I ordered a magazine from them two months ago still nothin
I'm going on more than a month now on my most recent order.
@@ReadinessReviews they are garbage in my opinion, I should of knew better
Lee Oswald!
Still need one in 6.5 lol
How did you manage to get them to answer the phone, I placed an order then mailed my FFL on line. They would never answer the phone or answer my emails? Last email I told them either talk to me or refund my money? Girl(woman) answered this email saying she was very busy and a lot to do, I reintegrated just refund my money. The owner emailed me back saying OK very argumentally I'm still waiting???
I've watched videos saying they take over a month to ship?? Long time to operate on someone else's money?
Getting in touch with them is a struggle. I've had a lot. Of people say it took more than a month for their rifle to ship recently. It's almost like they have to wait for the rifle to come in from Africa before shipping.
Ive found 2 in the wild, do not do business with IO, RTI, too many people burned, they should just be honest and state,"junk rifles" or parts guns 1/4 of current prices
They definitely shouldn't be selling rifles with extremely poor bores without letting it be known.
Mine was just as bad. They told me to pound sand. They got their wish. I’ll never buy another thing from them again.
I hear stuff like that all to often unfortunately. It's a same.
looks like something I would not want at all
I don't blame you
Well SH*T! You scare the hell out of me! My 1st mil-surp purchase is a 91/24 Carcano although RTI stated it was from Europe and not Africa and they were priced at 299.99 and i paid the extra 50bucks for a hand select. So if my bore looks like this i will be sending it back! And they sure as hell better take it back!!!?!!! If the rifle turns out to be in decent shape ill take another stab at it with RTI.....but damn bro i realize this was a year ago but still!?!?!?!?!?! The rifle just showed up yesterday at end of day so i have not even had a chance to run over and pay for the nics and transfer yet or even look it over? :>/ Man i hope its in decent shape!?
Battle field retrieval
Its certainly seen some action
ive heard terrible things from those companies and i have steered away because people like koba had such terrible luck i love surplus but the people are desperately snatching up everything so there is incentive to cheat and i would rather invest my limited funds on something i can go and get ready access to ammo and shoot that is a very cool gun and id love one but not at the current time
I totally understand that. The market is less and less fun to deal with daily.
I have had two terrible experiences with rti they seem to be a decent company if you get lucky but there customer service lady is far from that, if you ever get lucky enough to speak to someone other than her, they seem to take care of you .Buy from them as a last resort, and at your own risk they have severely screwed me on some colt kits and a one of inventory ak numbers matching, A grade kit with two original magazines, that came in multi colored ,multi numbered, rusted junk with no magazines.
I missed out on the Colt kits unfortunately... But it sounds like I may have not missed out on much after all.
Refurbished vetterli bayonet, non refurbs are very rare
Indeed. Good eye!
Why are they still in business? They are saying they are selling shootable grade firearms, LOL, they are barely good as parts guns!
Honestly I don’t think it’s worth the gamble most of the items are in god awful state on less you pay out ass for good bore, select manufacturer, etc. their customer service is like the rifling in most of the items they sell, because it’s practically nonexistent.
Haha. You are not wrong.
I was going to get some ak parts kits from them but after seeing this video and reading posts from others, ill pass. Sorry to hear about your bad experience.
I'd only buy if you are willing to roll the dice.
Bro RTI? Why my dude WHY?!?!!?
These old rifles that you going to be getting nowadays our junk bottom-of-the-barrel the once in the 1960s were a lot better shape only problem is with those there was Surplus Ammo or you couldn't get any ammo at all the Oswald gun must have been in real good shape
I'm sure the Oswald M38 was basically perfect.
@@ReadinessReviews yes it was they were all better give it to the date they were actually newer than they are today
They sold you basically a shotgun.with bore that bad
Yeah. It's unfortunate.
JUNK, JUNK, JUNK !!
Maybe it will be okay once I change the barrel
The “c”in “fucile” is pronounced “ch” dude. Just FYI 😁
Dude, Really ?!?!
What?
Terrible condition!
$300!
I would have sent that one back..
They gave me a credit for half the money so that's good by me. I just wish they would let people know the true condition before ordering.
This is a great example of why I don't understand you bashing Hunters Lodge...
That is an expensive piece of garbage from RTI. I also will never give Classic firearms of Indian Trail another dollar. The rifle they screwed me over on had a good bore. Unfortunately the entire weapon was bent/twisted to the right. It looked OK at first but when you sighted straight across the top, it seems that it was run over by a 10 ton truck. That was at a gunshow and they fussed and bitched about not wanting to give me a refund! Thankfully I got it on a Saturday and they were still in town when I discovered the damage. I wonder how many people bought one on Sunday and by the time they discovered the issues, the shysters had left town.
Military Surplus has always been a bit of a crap-shoot but at least with Hunters Lodge the investment is low.
RTI wants nearly a grand for every raggedy piece of rust they sell. Classic is about the same.
Ya'll Take Care and Good luck! -John
I didn't really bash Hunters Lodge. I talked about the experiences of others and I documented my own experience which I was satisfied with. Any company that doesn't give you a picture and description of the exact rifle you are buying is always going to be a dice roll. I'm not a RTI or Classic fan but I will still roll the dice every now and then for something I want in the collection.
@@ReadinessReviews I agree about it being a crap shoot. I have bought a lot of unseen firearms from a number of people but I only do so when the price is very low.
Good rule of thumb is if the amount is equivalent to what you would bet in Vegas, go for it. Most all of the things I have heard about hunters Lodge are that they are slow. They are but you get a good product for a cheap price. Some people expect NOS for 200 bucks and those days are gone. Ya'll Take Care and be safe, John
I bought a couple rifles from them. All were total crap. I will never buy from them again.
Many people with similar experiences. They still have some stuff that is hard to find elsewhere.
Why would you buy from them. Looks like kindling wood. Pure beater rifle and a credit will get you a different piece of crap. I have not heard of anyone and I mean anyone happy with RTI.
I was super happy with my M1 Carbine
I believe you need to be realistic when buying a weapon that is often over 100 years old and has changed hands countless times AND IN VERY POOR COUNTRIES
I'm far more forgiving than most. I don't have a problem with rifles that have been around and are in rough shape. I just think a seller should do more to let the condition be known to potential buyers before they purchase.
I quit messing with Carcano's and Arisaka's when they started going for more than $35. Obsolete gun AND ammo. Yet they are worth $400+ now? No thanks.
It would have been a pretty good move to stack up a few obsolete rifles at 35 and flip them for 400 now. In another 20 years there will be no telling what the going rate will be.
I buy alot of surplus but this rifle is total trash I wouldn't buy it for 50 bucks I try to get really nice examples and pay up because you go to sell them and you can make a few dollars it's better to have 5 really nice surplus guns then 10 junkers...
That's a very bad rifle. I shoot competition with a m38 carcano. With the right bullets and reloaded ammo they can compete with the best.
Interesting I've never known anyone one to compete with a Carcano. That's really cool.
@@ReadinessReviews ammo is tricky. Most bullets for reloading are 6.5mm. You need slightly bigger since the bore is more than 6.5.
I have a die for the reloading press to size the bullets to match the bore perfectly.
Realy, it is a very nice shooting rifle. When I first entered a competition with it other competitors where like: LOL, seriously? And than I got second place and they stopped making fun of anyone with other rifles than a k98, Lee Enfield or a patern 17. (three of the most popular rifles in the class we shoot)
About wierd rifles that are proven to be good. Lost last match from a guy with an arisaka.
What a piece of junk, I paid 500.00 for a very nice one that isn't a import, like anything else you get what you pay for.
I'm still hunting for one in better condition chambered in 6.5. The fact that this one has the very early handguard style is still pretty cool even though it was in such rough shape
Dude you need to get away from doing business with RTI/Classic and the like. All of the rifles you got I have gotten way nicer at gunshows the last 2 years for the same price your paying these online crooks
I go to all the local shows too. The Milsurp market is slim pickings around here.