Everything I've learned selling CNC trays

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  • čas přidán 3. 06. 2024
  • Hey there, welcome to our channel! Get ready to dive into the exciting world of CNC woodworking with me. In this video, I'll be sharing all the tips and tricks I've picked up over the years while making awesome catch-all trays.
    From choosing the perfect lumber to nailing down those hold-down methods, getting that clean finish, and even making some extra cash by selling them!
    Whether you're a woodworking pro looking to pick up some new techniques or someone new trying to learn the ropes of CNC crafting, hopefully you can learn something. Join me as we explore the ins and outs of making these cool trays, learning from mistakes, and celebrating those victories along the way.
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    00:00 Introduction
    00:12 Wood Types
    02:00 Grain and glue ups
    03:10 Hold down methods
    06:12 Smooth tray bottoms
    08:30 Tray design tips
    10:21 Painting oramask tips
    12:11 Laser Customization
    12:45 Mistakes were made
    13:34 Textures
    14:25 Bits
    15:51 Sanding...eww
    18:32 Finishing
    20:27 Pricing and what sells
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Komentáře • 84

  • @CoffeyCustomBuilds
    @CoffeyCustomBuilds Před 3 měsíci +6

    One thing I like to do for stability is take plain sawn wood, then rip it into strips, then flip them 90° so you get quarter sawn wood and glue up those blanks. The quarter sawn wood is more stable.

  • @JimHaysTechGeek
    @JimHaysTechGeek Před 3 měsíci +2

    I use the small circular sanding pad on the drill press. It allows me to get into the small places but gives much more stability.

  • @LYTOMIZE_Woodshop
    @LYTOMIZE_Woodshop Před 2 měsíci +1

    I've been making catch-all trays for about two years now... thank you for this - newbie or vet, there's lots to be gleaned from this video. 👊

  • @theebalz
    @theebalz Před 3 měsíci +5

    One of the better videos I've seen for someone starting out & completely new to cnc. Really enjoyed this and learned from someone who has become successful in this industry. Thank you. 👍

    • @TwoMooseDesign
      @TwoMooseDesign  Před 3 měsíci

      Thank you! I appreciate you watching. 𝙲𝙽𝙲 is definitely not just pushing a button. It takes a lot of practice to learn the machine and then the wood itself if you don’t have prior experience in woodworking.

    • @theebalz
      @theebalz Před 3 měsíci +1

      @TwoMooseDesign I worked for the largest Defense contractor in the U.S. doing CAD before being laid off doing COVID. I don't believe it would take me too long to pick this up. However, I'm someone who learns by doing things "hands on" and can't find a quick two day class to get me started. Please keep the videos coming. I have a lot of great ideas.

    • @TwoMooseDesign
      @TwoMooseDesign  Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@theebalz you defiantly got this! With that level of cad you'll pick it up quick

  • @timboone4755
    @timboone4755 Před 3 měsíci +1

    BEST video I've watched all month! Just got my CNC and I'm in full learning mode. You packed a ton of learning in this video! It's bookmarked for quick access! Thanks for all your videos and being willing to share your knowledge and experience! Heading to your web site now! Appreciate you both!!!!
    T

  • @goodwinml
    @goodwinml Před 3 měsíci +3

    Awesome vid. Gave great info. I have a Shapeoko 3XXL and S03 Standard. Been doing and learning since black friday 2019. Myself and my son are just now finishing moving our cnc’s from a corner area in my car hobby area to a 40x28 wood dedicated bay. New power, floor layout and hopefully 10 times better production. We are making Cannabis Cleaning Trays. Since our state it’s legal why not get on the band wagon? If stoners pay $50 for cheap Chinese stamped steal trays with a Vynil wrap that are paying $60-$80 for our Cherry or Walnut trays. Also, up sale laser images on trays. Have designs from basic rectangle to options of stainless steel ashtray inserted in wood. Maybe even a small 3d stl carve on it somewhere. A very nice profit margin. 😊

    • @TwoMooseDesign
      @TwoMooseDesign  Před 3 měsíci +1

      Heck yeah! Thats awesome, finding a niche is key, you can definitely get a premium that way. Glad it’s working out for you 🤌🏼🤌🏼

  • @ThoenWorks
    @ThoenWorks Před 3 měsíci +3

    So many great tips in this video - I will probably be watching a few times - THanks!

    • @TwoMooseDesign
      @TwoMooseDesign  Před 3 měsíci +1

      I really appreciate it! Drop some questions in the comments if you have any. I try to respond to most of them.

  • @kadirakyollu4024
    @kadirakyollu4024 Před 3 měsíci +1

    I'm on my way to get my first cnc and all these details are really clear questions in my mind. Best luck to both of you.

  • @alexx7910
    @alexx7910 Před 3 měsíci +3

    Really appreciate you sharing all your hard earned insights! Thank you!

  • @podman63
    @podman63 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Nice video some great tips so I don't have any excuses to not fire up the old CNC & get going! Thanks

    • @TwoMooseDesign
      @TwoMooseDesign  Před 3 měsíci

      Thanks! I appreciate it! Dooooo it, it’s definitely intimidating to try and come up with ideas. Just start making and something will click!

  • @Talfol
    @Talfol Před 2 měsíci

    Hi, nice informative video. a recommendation- keeping the direction of the bit path against the material, would give a better finish. For example, when cutting the outer surface/edges of a round tray, it would be better to direct the path counterclockwise, and for the inner surface, in a clockwise direction.
    About the epoxy, if it's a small piece, you can place it on a far corner and save its position for after the curing. And do another pass with the cnc afterwards, to avoid sanding.
    Cheers

  • @NWGR
    @NWGR Před měsícem +1

    Some excellent tips in here, thanks for sharing!

  • @aarong402
    @aarong402 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Very informative video. Well done, thank you

  • @twomakerscrew
    @twomakerscrew Před 3 měsíci +1

    Another banger video!! Great job❤❤

  • @jimrosson6702
    @jimrosson6702 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Great video and great tips for new woodworkers Thanks for sharing

  • @lamairepr
    @lamairepr Před 3 měsíci +1

    Thanks for sharing some great information, new sub here for sure! I've had my CNC about a year and always learning, Thanks again for sharing.

    • @TwoMooseDesign
      @TwoMooseDesign  Před 3 měsíci

      Thank you I appreciate it. And I’ve had one 5 years or so and still always learning too 👊🏼👊🏼

  • @fredsmachinewerks4811
    @fredsmachinewerks4811 Před 15 dny

    Awesome Video Very nice explanation. Thank you for sharing. Got me hooked on the Onefinity CNC.

  • @davidcochran934
    @davidcochran934 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Great nuggets of information. Definitely will be tweaking to make my items more personalized.

    • @TwoMooseDesign
      @TwoMooseDesign  Před 3 měsíci

      It helps a ton, a majority of the items we’ve sold over the years revolved around personalization. It was a series of the same items that could be personalized, if you get too many or go to broad it gets hard to streamline. Then as others gained popularity with higher margins we’d cut the lesser items that took more time or resources to make.

  • @kevinjensen9817
    @kevinjensen9817 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Great video. You talked about your finish pass going beyond the line. What I learned is when you set the starting point on the finish pass as the depth of the of the roughing pass, it thinks it is the first pass as the narrowest part of the bit so it goes further. You are better off running the finish pass as a start at board surface with a depth of cut at your finish depth so the software knows you are finish depth and proper width. Say roughing pass is .35 and your finish pass is .38, set your start at the surface and your depth of cut to .38 without a ramp in. Might be something to try and possibly make a video with what you learn. I think everyone has the same issue. I wish the software would build that in so it just goes from roughing pass to finish pass with adjusted step over per your specs. Love the work you do. Working up the nerve to do inlay like you do.

    • @TwoMooseDesign
      @TwoMooseDesign  Před 3 měsíci +1

      Ahhhhhhhhh that makes sense, I’ll
      Definitely hop in there and mess around with that. Appreciate the tip!

  • @AngieWilliamsDesigns
    @AngieWilliamsDesigns Před 3 měsíci +1

    Thanks for sharing

  • @sinsofvorador
    @sinsofvorador Před měsícem +1

    I've been using a mop sander to sand my trays. I can usually get a tray done in 3 to 5 minutes, and it's usually a really smooth feel.

    • @TwoMooseDesign
      @TwoMooseDesign  Před měsícem

      I’ll have to Google that! Thanks for the tip

    • @sinsofvorador
      @sinsofvorador Před měsícem +1

      @TwoMooseDesign I don't know if you have a klingspore close to you or not. But that's where I got mine from. They have 6 and 4 inch. And a 4 inch sanding star.

    • @TwoMooseDesign
      @TwoMooseDesign  Před měsícem

      I don’t! But I order paper from there so I’ll definitely check thanks!

  • @KKmagnolia_runner
    @KKmagnolia_runner Před měsícem

    Great video. I especially like that you mentioned specialty hobbies or pets

  • @TwoMooseDesign
    @TwoMooseDesign  Před 3 měsíci +2

    Thanks for watching! Whats the best CNC tip you've received?

  • @thesplinteredfinger
    @thesplinteredfinger Před 3 měsíci +1

    I live on a lake and you are correct, they are big sellers. The sanding detail of a lake tray would take forever. You could round off the sharp edges, but I wonder if that would be a take away from the lake design?

    • @TwoMooseDesign
      @TwoMooseDesign  Před 3 měsíci +1

      On something like that I would probably be more cautious and you could most likely get a decent idea in the preview mode if it takes away from it or not.

  • @kevinparker6797
    @kevinparker6797 Před měsícem +1

    Another good vid! I have a question about pricing. You talk about machine time and labor time, how do you account for materials ( wood, finishes, sandpaper etc)?

    • @TwoMooseDesign
      @TwoMooseDesign  Před měsícem +1

      Hey! Thanks for watching! If it’s just a simple catch all tray 5-$10 is plenty for those. I’ve mostly made mine from scraps so it’s not something I’ve accounted for and the amount of oil I would use for one tray would be like less than .50. To figure out board feet if you are using lumber from a lumber supplier and not a big box store do length X width X thickness divided by 144. So a 10x10 tray is just over .5 board foot. An expensive hardwood would be $5 and a cheaper hard wood would be around $2-3 for a 10x10” tray

  • @titianobsidian6549
    @titianobsidian6549 Před 2 měsíci

    Thanks for the video, I'd say your prices are giving at the end are the whole sale price. The retail price should ideally be double to allow for website, stall, advertising, marketing or retailers margin.

  • @ALCRAN2010
    @ALCRAN2010 Před 27 dny

    What's that vapor machine running in the back? Pardon my ignorance. lol

  • @threadready8078
    @threadready8078 Před 2 měsíci +1

    What do you recommend for pricing wholesale items? For instance, a local retailer wants several dozen of the same item for resale.

    • @TwoMooseDesign
      @TwoMooseDesign  Před 2 měsíci +1

      We’ve done wholesale and sold in resale/booth stores and personally neither were for us. It’s hard to make enough money with either. If you need the sales go for it, if you are already busy skip it unless you want to use it as a marketing opportunity. I would try and get at least 80% of what you typically would sell the time for and they would sell it as a premium and sell it for more than what you would typically. You really need to look at how long it takes you and materials. If you are hardly coming out ahead it’s just not worth it. For us it was a percentage of the sales and the pay for the space we had to rent in the store and after 6 months we hardly made any money and left the store. Time yourself making the items, add up the materials, and see what that comes out to, with small goods you might not be able to afford a 20% hair cut off the top. It’s a different ball game with tables or such where they are thousands of dollars.

  • @barthrh2
    @barthrh2 Před 2 měsíci +1

    How do you factor in the cost of your materials + the time to prep materials, especially if it's strips of wood glued?

    • @TwoMooseDesign
      @TwoMooseDesign  Před 2 měsíci +1

      Use a stopwatch to figure out roughly how long it takes you then add a little bit of time. Also a majority of what I used to make these when I sold them was scraps from other items customers already paid for so the “scraps” were pretty much free so I never paid much attention to it. But learn how to calculate board foot, it’s a simple equation to know how much wood you’re using. For example a 8x8 tray out of walnut I would assume the piece is 10x10x1” and at $9 a BF would cost me $6.25. That’s an expensive wood so typically it would be 1/3 of that cost but again I made them out of wood that would have been given away or burned. In the end if your numbers don’t add up they might not be worth your time or make sense for you to make them if you can’t get $40-$80+ a tray. Always time yourself on new items what you might think is 10 minutes might be 30 and on a small item that adds up quick, batches is key for this small stuff.

  • @terrybaus2208
    @terrybaus2208 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Hi guys I have the x50 journeyman (still with Makita router)what is you speeds and feeds you run your bowl bit at I have the same bit and it takes me longer to pocket then you do thanks

    • @TwoMooseDesign
      @TwoMooseDesign  Před 2 měsíci

      For the bowl bit i believe I ran it with the makita at 100ipm .15 depth, ramped in and makita at 3

    • @terrybaus2208
      @terrybaus2208 Před 2 měsíci

      Thanks so much. luv your videos (can't wait to upgrade to spindle). Thanks again

  • @_KlearKraft_
    @_KlearKraft_ Před 3 měsíci +1

    I don’t use double sided tape anymore. Just 18g brads in each corner.

    • @TwoMooseDesign
      @TwoMooseDesign  Před 3 měsíci

      That works pretty good too, same with the screws it leaves the little mounds you gotta shave off. I’ve always wanted to try the composite nailers, I’ve heard good things just a little pricey.

  • @LavinWoodworks
    @LavinWoodworks Před 3 měsíci +1

    Hey Jeff awesome video! One question. The finish you ended up using was the tung oil correct? Your process for that was lather them up, can be real thick. Let it sit 12hrs then buff off. Am I right about that?

    • @TwoMooseDesign
      @TwoMooseDesign  Před 3 měsíci +1

      Yep! You don’t have to let it sit that long. I typically do them in the afternoon and just wipe them off in the morning. A few hours would probably be fine. And thanks! I appreciate it 😁

    • @LavinWoodworks
      @LavinWoodworks Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@TwoMooseDesign thank you! I appreciate the clarification!

  • @D-GatDesignsLLC
    @D-GatDesignsLLC Před 3 měsíci +1

    Maybe I've just been lucky but I've made hundreds of catch all trays from a single piece of wood and have never had them warp.

    • @TwoMooseDesign
      @TwoMooseDesign  Před 3 měsíci

      That’s great! As long as they are not overly wide and the wood is dry it will most likely be fine. Probably dried wood is key.

  • @peszekv
    @peszekv Před 3 měsíci +1

    Question: would buying bulk cutting boards from alibaba bring down the cost? Did you ever consider this approach?

    • @TwoMooseDesign
      @TwoMooseDesign  Před 3 měsíci +1

      Sure maybe, but personally no since I already had a majority of the woodworking tools. Odds are most of those items are pretty low quality. A lot of the ones I’ve seen or the boards in sale at Home Depot look rough or low quality wood. I just don’t want to put my name on a low end product. If you could find a trusted source I’m sure it would save time and or money.

  • @jodychaffin6265
    @jodychaffin6265 Před 3 měsíci

    Hey bro I’m new to cnc when making a bowl or tray I hate to change bits but I understand that u have to sometimes I’m having a tuff time learning how to reset the zero after changing bit please help thx Jody.

    • @TwoMooseDesign
      @TwoMooseDesign  Před 3 měsíci

      I would use a probe as it can set zero for you or just use a 1/4” Downcut for the whole thing, it will just take longer.

  • @Vermilicious
    @Vermilicious Před 29 dny +1

    Don't forget the material cost.

  • @wmcrash
    @wmcrash Před 3 měsíci

    Did you forget about cost of raw ma materials? That $100 food tray at the end is quite a bit of wood.

    • @TwoMooseDesign
      @TwoMooseDesign  Před 3 měsíci

      Yeah I would personally get more for it than a $100. It was just an example. The wood was scraps but it would have cost $10, cherry is relatively affordable.

  • @markrichardson1171
    @markrichardson1171 Před 3 měsíci +2

    id love to start these but living in th UK i got no chance, they would just laugh if i said £20

    • @TwoMooseDesign
      @TwoMooseDesign  Před 3 měsíci

      Then you could try the online market. I personally know nothing about the market in the UK so it’s hard to help or give advice. I personally couldn’t get any of the prices I was asking when I started, I then started selling on Etsy and Shopify and that’s where 95% of our sales came from. Almost nothing local.

  • @jerseycitymuaythai
    @jerseycitymuaythai Před 3 měsíci

    Matthew’s bow??

    • @TwoMooseDesign
      @TwoMooseDesign  Před 3 měsíci

      Yep halon 6 and vxr 34” lol

    • @jerseycitymuaythai
      @jerseycitymuaythai Před 3 měsíci

      Nice.. great videos. I’m a boxing coach by trade but looking to get into a machine for my wood shop. Great videos

  • @TheBlendedOasis
    @TheBlendedOasis Před 3 měsíci

    How about mineral oil?

    • @TwoMooseDesign
      @TwoMooseDesign  Před 3 měsíci

      Mineral oil is just totally fine, it just loses its luster pretty quick.