Religious Vs Secular State | The Verdict | TCM Debates | Ft. Qaiser Raja and Mehrub Moiz

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  • čas přidán 28. 10. 2023
  • TCM Debates' grand finale is here with some fired up cross examination and closing statements, let us know who you think won this debate, Qaiser Raja or Mehrub Moiz? Or was it a stalemate? Also, let us know what topics and which debaters you want to see in the next TCM Debates.
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  • @civilmonk1166
    @civilmonk1166 Před 9 měsíci +647

    How many Pakistani want sharia in Pakistan?
    Sharia - like
    Modern secular state - comment.
    Let's see who won Raja or modern insightful lady.

  • @muhammadmustanisharal9910
    @muhammadmustanisharal9910 Před 3 měsíci +40

    Mr. Raja was intellectual at every point. It was amazing to have such clearity.

  • @rayyanuddin6346
    @rayyanuddin6346 Před 7 měsíci +37

    Alhumdullillah we have intellectuals like Qaiser Ahmed Raja

  • @fahaddmn154
    @fahaddmn154 Před 8 měsíci +37

    Our Prayers are with you Qaiser Ahmed Raja.

  • @hamzahmed001
    @hamzahmed001 Před 9 měsíci +639

    We need more thinkers like Dr Qaiser to eliminate the baseless evil

    • @mahshanahmad1141
      @mahshanahmad1141 Před 8 měsíci +9

      I fear the fall of our morality. I myself am a reverted conservative. Everything on the secular front seems to hedonistic and vulgar. wont you agree?

    • @sb853547
      @sb853547 Před 8 měsíci +5

      ​@@mahshanahmad1141but then where will the minorities go and how Sharia law is good for women

    • @Ash_619
      @Ash_619 Před 8 měsíci

      Dr qaisar 😂

    • @ahshah322
      @ahshah322 Před 8 měsíci +12

      @@sb853547 The actual Sharia itself protect the minorties the only chalange is to impliment it's pure form!

    • @shahbazjamil4226
      @shahbazjamil4226 Před 8 měsíci

      Having no clear perspective of shariah Dr Sahib is excellent 😂

  • @0MuhammadIbrahim0
    @0MuhammadIbrahim0 Před 9 měsíci +164

    Qaiser: How are...
    Mehrub: Rhetorical device
    Qaiser: What is....
    Mehrub: Rhetorical device
    Qaiser: My question is....
    Mehrub: Rhetorical device
    All what Mehrub has to say is Rhetorical device and Rhetorical instrument. Qaiser sahb's cross examination is a 10/10 ❤❤

    • @gs7458
      @gs7458 Před 5 měsíci

      If Shria Laws are anti women anti humanity it is not good for any reason to implement. Nothing more shameful in 2024 to use this outdated laws Arabic culture. I can say Muhammad follow becuz he born there. Religion culture are seprate issue.
      4 Wife, Sex Slavery, TV Media Dance Music Ban, Halala, instant Divorce, Property Rights, In-Equality. Stone to death, Dress restrictions, Education restrictions, Hijab Burka, Ban on Girls education. Child marriage Jihad. 4 evidence for rape, Aurat half Brain, half evidence these are against Mankind and Arabic culture not religion

    • @wilddreams6301
      @wilddreams6301 Před 3 měsíci

      I saw this comment before watching the video and I was like yeah how could that be said for every argument though...now that I have watched it, can't agree more!😂

  • @nasirfaraz3036
    @nasirfaraz3036 Před 6 měsíci +35

    Salute to Qaisar Raja and his calmness ❤

  • @Tunetales231
    @Tunetales231 Před 8 měsíci +140

    Dr. Qaiser Raja is a gem!! May ALLAH SWT Saves him from evil eye.

  • @badarwaqar5228
    @badarwaqar5228 Před 8 měsíci +267

    Great job Sir Qaiser!
    May Allah reward you for your truthful efforts.
    “Islam is never old nor it was meant to be applied only for the old era.”

  • @AzeemAshrafAzeem-er3hv
    @AzeemAshrafAzeem-er3hv Před 8 měsíci +132

    Not a single foul word by QA. Hats off man.... To handle such business with this calm and patience is your heroism and absolute gentlemanliness.

    • @LucasKsh
      @LucasKsh Před měsícem

      Pakistan is already Islamic country ,see your condition now,it's already failed

  • @mehranraziq1805
    @mehranraziq1805 Před 8 měsíci +153

    so the debate went from secularism to post secularism all of a sudden :), salute to qaiser bhai for exposing the shallowness of the ISMs against islam.

    • @bobobobo3142
      @bobobobo3142 Před 8 měsíci +6

      there is nothing more shallow than mullahism which is why no muslim country is competing with west in terms of science, tech and education.

    • @ghaaafil
      @ghaaafil Před 8 měsíci

      ​@@bobobobo3142shut up

    • @huzaifasaeed7730
      @huzaifasaeed7730 Před 8 měsíci

      @@bobobobo3142 the science is not the result of liberalism. You guys are not even productive right now.all the products are from asia and your youth only makes wealth while we create value.

    • @jasha9sandhu
      @jasha9sandhu Před 7 měsíci

      ISLAMISM kills local culture.
      ISLAMISM is the complete antithesis of Civilization.

    • @leederzubair2747
      @leederzubair2747 Před 6 měsíci

      Science ,technology has to do with east or west not between Islam and secularism .You are just little idiot student in that.

  • @WaliNekokara
    @WaliNekokara Před 8 měsíci +88

    Qaiser Raja: "We are not sure that securalism is a good thing but we want to bring secularism because we are not sure what Shariat is"
    This statement of Raja shows his sharp mind and logical approach. This single statement has demolished Dr. Moiz's whole edifice of secular state. 👏

  • @nooralikhan9645
    @nooralikhan9645 Před 9 měsíci +48

    At least , the secularism lost itself and role and changed to post secularism . The same had happened in the debate with the Athiest Haris sultan when he got escaped from his very stance on Athiestic morality while the debate was on Islamic morality vs Athiestic morality . They don't have something to support their stance and get escape to something new to hide behind it .
    Ma Sha Allah , Qaiser sir . Allah pak ka Fazal ho tum par hamesha !

    • @user-MissKhan80
      @user-MissKhan80 Před 9 měsíci +3

      Let me ask you based on your Islamic morality
      Is slavery and sex with slaves halal in Islam ?

    • @nooralikhan9645
      @nooralikhan9645 Před 9 měsíci +7

      @@user-MissKhan80
      Very usual question from liberals and athiests . 😄
      First i will recommend the debate between Qaiser and Haris .
      The 2nd one is the answer of javed ghamidi on this , it will clear you .
      The third one option is that Qaiser Ahmad raja's live sessions , Q and Ans on any topic or especially this question. Follow him and when there is session , ask what you want . You will be given time and respect. You won't be disappointed .

    • @lovepakistan3659
      @lovepakistan3659 Před 9 měsíci

      Brother the idea of secularism is about getting away from dogmas! What happened in china, Russia, were also because of dogmas! State should be separated from all kinds of Ideologies, whether it is communism or hindutva or shriat. Because I don’t want my society to think that it is okay to beat your wife as mentioned in Surah Nisa verse 34 or to think that they can have 4 wives or can keep londis.

    • @user-fw4zq9hz8p
      @user-fw4zq9hz8p Před 4 měsíci

      @@user-MissKhan80 you still want an answer ?

    • @adi-qx8ls
      @adi-qx8ls Před 5 dny

      @@nooralikhan9645 lol harris didn't even lost that debate, this raja guy is just so blatantly stupid that he wasn't even able to differentiate between an amoral and relatively moral stand that harris was pointing out while commenting on morality.

  • @mahnoormujeeb1090
    @mahnoormujeeb1090 Před 9 měsíci +263

    More power to you Mr. Qaiser Raja.... you absolutely nailed this debate 👏

    • @MR.FlyingMonkey
      @MR.FlyingMonkey Před 9 měsíci +1

      Name - ISLAMABAD
      but it's the most liberal Immodest city in whole pakistan 😂
      This explains the whole situation of Pakistan.
      Islam is used by politicians and establishment for votes and power .
      They fool public with Islamic touch , but their intentions is always against Islam.
      Never get fooled by politician's dress and speech.
      See , what they are practically doing and promoting below the belt.

    • @japjootsingh9734
      @japjootsingh9734 Před 4 měsíci

      No he did not 😂he was nervous 😟

  • @awaisbashir2753
    @awaisbashir2753 Před měsícem +2

    میں نے یہ نہیں پوچھا کہ اپ شریعت کے بارے میں کیا سمجھتی ھیں ۔۔۔۔ مزا ا گیا ۔۔۔۔ زبردست قیصر بھائی ❤️❤️❤️

  • @tahirusman6911
    @tahirusman6911 Před 8 měsíci +122

    The arguments, examples & calmness by Qaiser Raja is 🔥

    • @dhakacity6574
      @dhakacity6574 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Muslims want sharia law in their own country, but secularism in non-Muslim countries. Oppression on Hindus is increasing day by day in Pakistan. Never did these religious traders raise their voice for the protection of people of different opinion. Just like a parrot, Islam sings the religion of peace by heart. Buddhist-Jain-Confucian religions never sing that our religion is the religion of peace like Muslims. Only Muslims sing this. By the usage of Muslims one can understand whether they are really peaceful or non-violent.

    • @qamarali6796
      @qamarali6796 Před 5 měsíci

      This is not true

    • @user-fw4zq9hz8p
      @user-fw4zq9hz8p Před 4 měsíci

      ​@@dhakacity6574 tbh we don't give a fu*k about other countries it's them who always have a problem with shria law and want to stick there nose in our affairs

    • @user-fw4zq9hz8p
      @user-fw4zq9hz8p Před 4 měsíci

      @@dhakacity6574 one can also understand your agenda why you didn't mention hindu's Oppression on Muslims? more hate crimes against Muslims than any other, more Muslims died in recent history than any other religion or race. go cry somewhere else you are made cause we don't promote ra*e like other religions do

    • @user-fw4zq9hz8p
      @user-fw4zq9hz8p Před 4 měsíci

      @@dhakacity6574 Buddhist isn't a religious it's an ideology

  • @zeeshanbutt9039
    @zeeshanbutt9039 Před 9 měsíci +285

    What a beautiful debate. Very well done, TCM.
    Hatsofff to Dr. Qiser for such rational and logical rebuttal. 👏 👏

  • @heavensounds1566
    @heavensounds1566 Před 9 měsíci +213

    Untill yesterday we needed secular Pakistan and now we need post secular Pakistan.😂😂
    This is real example of how confused our self proclaimed highly educated and genius community is..

    • @achabacha3328
      @achabacha3328 Před 8 měsíci +39

      Well if a person can't even decide his gander how can ee change our whole country according to him/her😂

    • @adnankhokhar4426
      @adnankhokhar4426 Před 8 měsíci +2

      ​@@achabacha3328I like how you mis-spelled gender 😂😂😂😂

    • @achabacha3328
      @achabacha3328 Před 8 měsíci +25

      @@adnankhokhar4426
      English is not my native language. I can make mistakes.. but Alhmdulillah I'm not mantly ill😕

    • @AdeelAhmed-kq7tm
      @AdeelAhmed-kq7tm Před 8 měsíci +1

      Not allowing religion/Islam is definitely secularism, what they want, but when it is not possible to defend it, they say POST-SECULARISM.
      I wonder post secularism is after secularism, means, first face secularism and they face these blo__y secular in post secularism era

    • @dundundun7215
      @dundundun7215 Před 8 měsíci

      Yall can read about post secularism instead of making uneducated guesses about it.

  • @user-uq4uc7to2c
    @user-uq4uc7to2c Před 8 měsíci +45

    Usools of Islam are universal
    Hats off to Raja sb ❤🎉

    • @ravikumar-gg9zg
      @ravikumar-gg9zg Před 7 měsíci +2

      Then why Muslim running to secular country.. and going to Islamic country...why so hypocrisy.

    • @user-fw4zq9hz8p
      @user-fw4zq9hz8p Před 4 měsíci +4

      @@ravikumar-gg9zg what hypocrisy? your india claim to be secular but don't treat people equally go vote for BJP and don't ever complain about hypocrisy

    • @ravikumar-gg9zg
      @ravikumar-gg9zg Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@user-fw4zq9hz8p Minority has some extra right in India than majority. Minorities have special quota.

    • @LucasKsh
      @LucasKsh Před měsícem +1

      ​@@user-fw4zq9hz8phindu Christian population decreasing in Pakistan ,systematic oppression and forced conversions and underage kidnappings of girls are rampant ,unlike in india .

    • @habiblangove7910
      @habiblangove7910 Před měsícem

      ​@@LucasKshNo, there is no such thing that the population of Muslims is increasing and the population of other religions is decreasing in Pakistan. This is because Muslim families tend to have more children and other religions families settle for two or less children.

  • @truthcoaxed
    @truthcoaxed Před 7 měsíci +22

    Pakistan this guy Qaiser Raja is a blessing for your nation.

  • @Quoteonomics
    @Quoteonomics Před 9 měsíci +109

    No, Allama Iqbal did not denounce that he had not presented the Pakistan Resolution.
    In fact, he was quite proud of the role he played in the creation of Pakistan. In a speech to the All India Muslim League in 1930, he said:
    "The resolution that was presented yesterday is not only a resolution of the Muslim League, but it is also a resolution of the Muslims of India."
    He also wrote several poems and articles in support of the Pakistan Movement. In his poem "Talaq" (Divorce), he wrote:
    "O Muslims, awake! Your destiny is calling you.
    It is time to break the chains of slavery and be free.
    Pakistan is your homeland, and it is your right to rule it."
    Iqbal's support for the Pakistan Movement was unwavering, and he never denounced the Pakistan Resolution.
    However, there is some evidence that he was not entirely happy with the way the Pakistan Movement was unfolding. For example, in a letter to his friend Muhammad Ali Jinnah in 1937, he wrote:
    "I am not satisfied with the way the Pakistan Movement is going. It is becoming too sectarian and dogmatic. We need to focus on the economic and social development of the Muslim community."
    Despite his reservations, Iqbal continued to support the Pakistan Movement until his death in 1938. He is widely regarded as one of the founding fathers of Pakistan, and his legacy continues to inspire Pakistanis today.

    • @wilddreams6301
      @wilddreams6301 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Very well said!

    • @Slave4_1_1-1
      @Slave4_1_1-1 Před měsícem +1

      Thank you for the clarification. Aur jahan tak small difference of opinion raha bhi ho to Itnay baray kaamon main jahan eik poori country bun rahi ho wahan every individual can have their own opinions that can differ with others.

  • @umairarif317
    @umairarif317 Před 9 měsíci +393

    Dr Moiz: I am pro democratic
    Dr Qaiser: then we should listen to the masses of Pakistan because surveys show that the want shariah.
    Dr Moiz: Error 404 not found.

    • @binteahmed7199
      @binteahmed7199 Před 9 měsíci +18

      A true meme😂

    • @Lion31340
      @Lion31340 Před 9 měsíci +5

      😂😂

    • @alimehdi4160
      @alimehdi4160 Před 9 měsíci +23

      Which Shariah? Iran wali ya Suadia wali? Ajkl wese aik aur bhi i hui hai Taliban or IS wali.

    • @0MuhammadIbrahim0
      @0MuhammadIbrahim0 Před 9 měsíci +23

      ​@alimehdi4160
      Again that's not the point
      The point is the will of the people. They want shariah not secularism. You back off from secularism, we (the people) will give you shariah

    • @shayankhan-ex1cx
      @shayankhan-ex1cx Před 9 měsíci +12

      ​@@alimehdi4160jb itne log chah rhevhain to iska mtlb wo kisi jaga ittefaq kr rhe hain is liye sb maslak ke ulma ko bitha kr aik shari law bana diya jaye jo ke duniya bhar ke liye misal rhega pakistan wali sharia.. ye kesa hai😊

  • @MuhammadShaikh-md8cn
    @MuhammadShaikh-md8cn Před 7 měsíci +3

    What is Dr. Mehrub is even doing here and defending secularism when he doesn't even know the correct definition and legislations of Islamic sharia'a himself? And yet complaining about the answers given to him is "retrospective" in nature.
    Great job done by Qaiser Raja sahab. You handled it well!

  • @ziaurrahman2511
    @ziaurrahman2511 Před 4 měsíci +4

    Excellent and Solid evidence Given by Raja Qaisar Sahab ..
    We are appreciating much more the efforts of Raja Sahab For Islam .

  • @JunaidKhan-mx4tj
    @JunaidKhan-mx4tj Před 9 měsíci +87

    The point where it all went down for secularism is where Dr Moiz said we have to talk about post secularism. Qaiser sir just nailed it by asking the question : If you don't have any example or working system of the post secularism and it's just a thought then how can you say that the system we believe in is problematic?
    We have the example of the era where shariah existed and worked without any error and your post secularism didn't existed.
    Qaiser sir for sure is the winner of the debate.

    • @ahamadpashi3657
      @ahamadpashi3657 Před 8 měsíci +1

      14:05

    • @MehreenHassan225
      @MehreenHassan225 Před 8 měsíci

      Basically the crux of this whole debate

    • @AABraun
      @AABraun Před 8 měsíci +5

      she surely gave examples of Canada and New Zealand but mr cancer raja was unable to give any particular example of Sharia based country

    • @nha3920
      @nha3920 Před 8 měsíci +2

      ​@@AABraunCancer Raja ko jutta maar kar Afghanistan ya Iran bhej do. Halak se sara shriah nikal jaye ga.

    • @speedoflight144
      @speedoflight144 Před 7 měsíci

      ​@@AABraundefinitely he is cancer for people like u. So cope with that.

  • @emanassad5622
    @emanassad5622 Před 9 měsíci +120

    The calm that dr qaiser raja maintains is just wow. His knowledge is commendable. I wish we could give Sharia a chance for once

    • @JayLim-bn9fh
      @JayLim-bn9fh Před 8 měsíci +4

      How about go to Afghanistan?

    • @n8xeditz561
      @n8xeditz561 Před 8 měsíci

      ​@@JayLim-bn9fhWhy dumb*** ? This is our country we pay text, living for years, we are the majority, our elders struggle for this. So you better go to the west :)

    • @rashstuff4846
      @rashstuff4846 Před 8 měsíci +11

      ​@@JayLim-bn9fhNo, why go to Afghanistan? We are Pakistani. Why not we try for Shariah here, while intellectually defeating poor secularists & apostates on every platform (like in this video), despite your tears? 😂

    • @NoLogicNoFight
      @NoLogicNoFight Před 8 měsíci +1

      Sharia a chance?😂 what a boy😅

    • @waleedabbas4996
      @waleedabbas4996 Před 8 měsíci +2

      @@rashstuff4846 Because religious parties have consistently failed to get any support at the national level? People have consistently voted against parties that ran on a religious narrative so, how are you going to try it here?
      Secondly, Mehrub isn't a debator. If Qaiser actually wanted to do something, he'd debate actual secular philosophers instead of random social media influencers or publish his arguments in a philosophical journal. Yani itni bhi aqal nai ha?
      Lastly, these aren't new issues, these debates have been occurring in the West for decades now. If you lot actually wanted to challenge people, you'd talk to people actually accomplished in the field. Bas YT par bongian maar kar khush ho jao.

  • @ChaudhryAdan
    @ChaudhryAdan Před 8 měsíci +5

    Happy to listen such debate appreciation to TCM for organizing this debate and thumbs up for Dr Moiz Awaz for her well prepaired homework she did that represented her position but lots of love to Dr Qaiser Ahmed Raja for representing the true picture and position of Islam and shariah۔ May Allah help us to implement Allah's Law fully in this Country Ameen❤

  • @thinkingoutloud-AV
    @thinkingoutloud-AV Před 3 měsíci +2

    Simply wow! what a commendable effort by TCM - salute. The arguments were really enriching and thought-provoking from both opponents - applause.

  • @user-jc9ke2ji9t
    @user-jc9ke2ji9t Před 9 měsíci +40

    A Request to TCM.
    I urge you to invite Syed Muzamil Shah to debate Qaiser Raja on individualism vs. Altruism.

    • @user-ek5uq6ce2k
      @user-ek5uq6ce2k Před 9 měsíci +11

      Qaisar raja will cry and curl up in a ball cuz muzammil is an educated person. 😂

    • @abdullahkhan_arcs
      @abdullahkhan_arcs Před 9 měsíci +16

      ​@@user-ek5uq6ce2k He already invited Shah sahab for debate but he don't even wanna face that 😂 so called rationalist

    • @faraazsiddiqui1450
      @faraazsiddiqui1450 Před 9 měsíci +16

      ​@@user-ek5uq6ce2kYour Syed Muzamil is running away from debate and labels everyone irrational if a person doesn't agree with him.Atleast Moiz has come to debate but Muzamil runs away😂😂😂😂

    • @user-ek5uq6ce2k
      @user-ek5uq6ce2k Před 9 měsíci +1

      @@faraazsiddiqui1450 your boyfriend qaiser is always trying get attention from muzammil but he never gets any 🤣 Cancer raza is the andhon ka kana raja. He keeps calling muzammil liberal but muzammil is actually right wing isolationist who wants to fix look inward to fix his own country before trying to talk about others. Accountability hotai huai sab ki gand phatee hai aur few politicians hain jo aisai karnai ka khawab bhi daikh sakta hain. Your establishment is not chutiya kai woh kabhi self accountable kon. Cancer Raja has no real solutions.. Just constant bullshit

    • @muhammadhussain5854
      @muhammadhussain5854 Před 9 měsíci

      ​@@user-ek5uq6ce2kmuzammil is a liar gashti ka bacha

  • @syedamarmusa6512
    @syedamarmusa6512 Před 9 měsíci +23

    Such debates are the need of the time, where this society full of hate against each other can witness that people regardless of their sheer ideological differences can sit to exchange arguments in a peaceful & constructive manner.
    Thanks to TCM for organising this debate!

  • @Qarisyeddaudshah
    @Qarisyeddaudshah Před 7 měsíci +3

    جزاکم الله خيرا راجاقيصراحمد فأنت أمل شباب المسلم وسيف صارم على أعناق الملاحدة المختلقة في باكستان لأجل أغراض مادية بحت

  • @Operationtheatre111
    @Operationtheatre111 Před 2 měsíci +2

    Alhamdulillah, for having qaisar Ahmad Raja sb winner in every field.

  • @legalstudywithmechannel9679
    @legalstudywithmechannel9679 Před 9 měsíci +72

    Dr Qaiser nailed it with logic, where Dr Mehrub Moiz did well in terms of her emotional attachment with secularism but again it is wisely said; logic overrides emotions..hats off to both of them for making this important topic discussed in a smooth way by bringing it on the table with the cup of tea❤

    • @dundundun7215
      @dundundun7215 Před 8 měsíci +2

      She's a post secularist, she literally answered that question in the video

  • @biwikhan3444
    @biwikhan3444 Před 9 měsíci +27

    It was a good initiative taken by TMC we will appreciate such debates in future too
    In sha Allah

  • @khansaahmed3664
    @khansaahmed3664 Před 8 měsíci +7

    More power to you qaiser sir 🙌❤️

  • @muzammilhussain8396
    @muzammilhussain8396 Před 8 měsíci +3

    This was the debate between Rationality and emotionality. When was asked clear cut questions, she dogded them in a very cunning way. She became temperamental when was unable to answer. Although a good debate with facts, arguments and Qaiser Raja sahb can be seen calm throughout the debate even to the itching and passionate talk of Dr Mehrub. That thing makes him a good debater.

  • @AltMadmax
    @AltMadmax Před 9 měsíci +87

    5:38 misinformation/correction:
    Allama Iqbal passed away in 1938, where as Pakistan Resolution was passed in 1940. Did Iqbal give the statement on Pakistan Resolution from his grave?
    It was not Lahore/Pakistan Resolution, but Allahabad address(1930). Additionally, one statement to the rulers(British Govt.) through 'The Times' does not represent Iqbalian Theory as a whole, thus the letter, which was sent to a repressive authority, falls short of recognizing the true narrative of Two Nation Theory.
    Leaders may be examined on their personal views, which may have some inconsistencies; however, it is worth mentioning that the collective will of the people of Pakistan was truly a movement for an Islamic state.

    • @saadbinzubair3571
      @saadbinzubair3571 Před 9 měsíci +8

      was looking for this comment. bravo 🤝🏻

    • @kashafwaqar376
      @kashafwaqar376 Před 9 měsíci +4

      true

    • @BABA-ORUC1761
      @BABA-ORUC1761 Před 9 měsíci +8

      Nailed it brother❤

    • @xenon7806
      @xenon7806 Před 9 měsíci +4

      Was about to comment this lol

    • @DontOpenThisChannel
      @DontOpenThisChannel Před 9 měsíci +6

      And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are disbelievers. (Qur'an 5:44)
      Choose your side now! Because if you claim to be a Muslim you have no choice but to strive to implement the law of Allah, forget about saying we don't need it.
      If you say you are vegan then it's abnormal that you start eating and advocating for meat eating.

  • @usamaaqeel1180
    @usamaaqeel1180 Před 9 měsíci +172

    Dr Merub was dodging clear cut questions while being rather emotional and ill mannered whereas Qaiser Raja sahb truly conducted a well spoken, thorough and factual debate

    • @nha3920
      @nha3920 Před 9 měsíci +14

      25000 Palestians jo mare Zia ne uska jawab nahi diya qaser chootiah raja ne. Dollar army se dar gaya.🙂

    • @ZubairKhan-wb8ri
      @ZubairKhan-wb8ri Před 9 měsíci

      ​@@nha3920 hijdo ke supporter khud hijde hote hai be dalle 😂😂😂

    • @aatifmunir
      @aatifmunir Před 9 měsíci

      ​@@nha3920Debate ka agenda parho

    • @DontOpenThisChannel
      @DontOpenThisChannel Před 9 měsíci +3

      And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are disbelievers. (Qur'an 5:44)
      Choose your side now! Because if you claim to be a Muslim you have no choice but to strive to implement the law of Allah, forget about saying we don't need it.
      If you say you are vegan then it's abnormal that you start eating and advocating for meat eating.

    • @bluecheetah666
      @bluecheetah666 Před 9 měsíci

      we can see how bad Islam is
      we have 57 Islamic countries and most of them are horrible place to live and a hell for woman.
      why most of the Muslims wanna go to Europe, the USA or Australia to take benefit of their labral life style lol. NO one wanna live in Islamic hell

  • @ShoaibAQKhan
    @ShoaibAQKhan Před 2 měsíci +3

    Qaiser Raja Absolutely Nailed it!

  • @Yourbrother05
    @Yourbrother05 Před 4 měsíci +3

    Dr. qaiser destroyed the anti islam opponent 😊

  • @MuhammadAli-cp5us
    @MuhammadAli-cp5us Před 9 měsíci +82

    Full marks for Dr Awan confidence and how he portrays his arguments but still when you think about arguments you find that they are not weighted and emotionally inspired rather then based on facts whereas Raja sb arguments are weighted. Very informative and enlightening debate. Thanks TCM for this master piece!

    • @MuhammadSameen39
      @MuhammadSameen39 Před 9 měsíci +8

      Would you tell me what Dr. Awan is "He" or "She"? Thanks

    • @siyasination8129
      @siyasination8129 Před 9 měsíci +11

      ​@@MuhammadSameen39Chakka

    • @MuhammadSameen39
      @MuhammadSameen39 Před 9 měsíci +6

      @@siyasination8129 🙃🙂

    • @diemanner7164
      @diemanner7164 Před 9 měsíci +5

      @@MuhammadSameen39 her pronouns are she/her as she is a more feminine khwajasara.

    • @sociallyinept1323
      @sociallyinept1323 Před 9 měsíci

      @@MuhammadSameen39She is a HE , Don't make Pakistan queer , Let's just stay conservative ! , She is a HE , She is a kusra , which means He is She in other buts actually she is HE and He is dead in the brain

  • @SalmanAli-uq8wy
    @SalmanAli-uq8wy Před 9 měsíci +11

    Raja sb clearly evaded all the questions. Going through the comments section, it clearly shows how we still have a long way to go before analytically understanding any comment/debate which talks about Secularism (or anything which in its most basic level, challenges the abuse done in the name of religion in Pakistan). Hats off to TCM for this initiative though.

  • @H_amza304
    @H_amza304 Před 8 měsíci

    That both ideologies are not seems clear at the end but they both did a great job to come across their point of views which is highly appreciated.

  • @superbtalks8847
    @superbtalks8847 Před 7 měsíci +26

    Well done Dr qaiser Raja. Pakistan is an Islamic state and it will be remain islamic in sha Allah.
    Islam is the complete code of life and its the only way to establish humanity in true sense. I am proud Muslim Pakistani.

    • @user-ds9lm4tx5z
      @user-ds9lm4tx5z Před 7 měsíci +1

      Lol your entire qom is depleting 😂😂😂

  • @dm6600
    @dm6600 Před 9 měsíci +39

    Yes ! This is call a pure and informative debate and we really need this kind of programs.
    Thank You so much TMC for providing such an informative content.
    Lots of love respect From Mohen Jo Daro Pakistan ❤️✨

  • @waseemakram7579
    @waseemakram7579 Před 9 měsíci +18

    When doctor Awan couldn't present any good example of secularism, She went for post secularism & for sure if post secularism is tested, that even also can't be justified.
    Islamic states have proved that Islamic system is only perfect & human friendly system.
    Any single practicing Muslim can't be harmful for even animals how Islamic system can create difficulties for humanity?
    Dr Awan doesn't know how shria originally works.
    Well done Mr Raja ❤

    • @Soul-ud6vd
      @Soul-ud6vd Před 9 měsíci +4

      she gave examples of post-secularism ( canada). just google the countries with the best quality of life for minorities and women, and you will mostly find secular countries in top 10

    • @NizarAlvi90
      @NizarAlvi90 Před 9 měsíci +1

      Aur qaisar ne kitney examples deye hai sharia law kay?

    • @f.50
      @f.50 Před 9 měsíci +1

      Let me tell you how it can create difficulties, tell me what are the rights of blasphemers and apostates in an Islamic state?

    • @Videoswildandunique
      @Videoswildandunique Před 9 měsíci

      @@Soul-ud6vdso what post securlarism is a theory, theories are bound to change i.e. there is uncertainty based on uncertain idea he is trying impose it on Pakistan which he himself is not sure of, thats absurd.Frankly the example are not that great Mehrub gave. Plus the topic had secularism not the later
      As expected from speakers like these they always change their position when cornered

    • @Videoswildandunique
      @Videoswildandunique Před 9 měsíci

      @@NizarAlvi90he gave example of Riyaste Madinah, a historical example. Which Mehrub was rejecting earlier by saying that history then later he is stating that Qaiser didnt give any example from history, yaar yeh mehrub banda kya kichdi paka raha hain. Its like a small kid when offered food by his mother doesnt wanna eat and when hes hungry he states momma didnt offer me food

  • @lovumuhammad
    @lovumuhammad Před 8 měsíci

    It's so appropriate way of conflict expression. A respected mutual medium of discussion between two different opinions. I respect❤

  • @onkarsingh2927
    @onkarsingh2927 Před 8 měsíci

    Brilliantly done !

  • @muneebrizwan6745
    @muneebrizwan6745 Před 9 měsíci +149

    Qaiser Ahmad Raja is more efficient in a philosophical and logical argument . And The main statement is this "if a state is a democratic state with people voted against secularism , and secularism is imposed by the state then what will the state became ? , A secular state or a authoritarian state .

    • @nha3920
      @nha3920 Před 9 měsíci +2

      Religious chutiyape mai.

    • @muneebrizwan6745
      @muneebrizwan6745 Před 9 měsíci

      When arguments are no longer effective , a Individual adapt emotional statements . @@nha3920

    • @FardeenFirdous
      @FardeenFirdous Před 9 měsíci

      ​@@nha3920cry harder ch1mp

    • @umroyaar
      @umroyaar Před 9 měsíci +4

      Suppose kro k pakistan 🇵🇰 me complete shariat ajae to phir mulk chor k bhagna nai ? Theek he ?

    • @cal_me_gulldozer
      @cal_me_gulldozer Před 9 měsíci +17

      ​@@umroyaarnahi bhagte meri jan jin k dil mein chor hota wahi chor k bhagte he haq se😅

  • @dochaq8751
    @dochaq8751 Před 9 měsíci +147

    Qaiser Ahmed Raja❤ A great debator

    • @dhakacity6574
      @dhakacity6574 Před 7 měsíci

      Muslims want sharia law in their own country, but secularism in non-Muslim countries. Oppression on Hindus is increasing day by day in Pakistan. Never did these religious traders raise their voice for the protection of people of different opinion. Just like a parrot, Islam sings the religion of peace by heart. Buddhist-Jain-Confucian religions never sing that our religion is the religion of peace like Muslims. Only Muslims sing this. By the usage of Muslims one can understand whether they are really peaceful or non-violent.

    • @CraftyFoxx
      @CraftyFoxx Před 4 měsíci

      ​@@dhakacity6574Bro let me explain you in Islam it says that Sharia law is not applicable on non-muslims it's applicable only on Muslims so by saying we want Sharia law in all Muslim countries mean that only the Muslim population living in the country will have to follow Sharia law not other religions people and to deal with them there would be a separate law system based on their majority likes and opinions for example in Sharia law if someone steals his hand should be cut off as a punishment so if a Muslim will steal his hands will get cut off but if a non-muslim steals his hands will not be cut off rather there would be a different judiciary system for them made and based on their religion or their culture or their likes for example if a non-muslim steals he will get 3 years in prison etc, so Islamic Sharia has nothing bad to do for you instead it is good for you as it gives you ease economically too as in Sharia Law the Muslims every year have to pay 2.5% Zakat (charity tax) to the Islamic Government but Non-muslims have to Jizya Tax which is lower than Zakat tax I don't remember the percentage I guess it was 1.5% every year but it is less than what Muslims have to pay. You guys can live freely as you want in a Sharia law country if Sharia law is implemented 100%. You said Muslims want secularism in other countries but not in their countries it's not true we want either a separate law system that is Sharia law only for Muslim population and the majority follow their Religious law system or Secularism or if they don't give Sharia law for Muslim population than they give us at least secular system instead of their culture or religious system. Islam is a very peaceful religion if you follow and implement it 100%. Thank you ❤

  • @TheFIGHTERdx10
    @TheFIGHTERdx10 Před 7 měsíci +5

    when you dont know about shariah then how can you oppose it without knowing it

  • @naeemsheikh4921
    @naeemsheikh4921 Před 8 měsíci

    Good to see Cary on❤

  • @publicstudio66
    @publicstudio66 Před 9 měsíci +42

    The fact that Ahmed Raja just destroyed the attempt to degrade the Islamic system from Dr Awan is absolutely fantastic, the way he is tackling dr awan's behavior is what makes Dr Raja an absolutely fantastic.
    Secondly, everytime Dr Awan speaks, she sounds so well, however, when Dr Raja speaks he just makes everything nullify dr awan says in a very polite, and realistic way.
    Thank you TCM, Dr Raja, and Dr Mehrub.

    • @nha3920
      @nha3920 Před 9 měsíci +6

      Raja sahab ne 25000 palestianians ko marne wale Zia ka naam nahi liya merab ke sawal per. Jo itna dartha hai dollar army se woh sirf army ka tool hosakta hai. Woh kya destroy kare ga kisi argument ko. Uski bolti band hogaye Zia ka naam per.

    • @publicstudio66
      @publicstudio66 Před 9 měsíci +6

      @@nha3920 read the topic of the debate. He is just avoiding unnecessary drama unlike Mehrub, the debate is timed. Secularism is not a solution. And why on earth Dr Mehrub was asking that, the point at that moment was not the name of general Zia.

    • @fahadhameed7513
      @fahadhameed7513 Před 9 měsíci +4

      @@publicstudio66 Cancer Raja took many names Mao Zedong, Lenin, Marx just because they were self proclaimed secular leaders although all of them had nothing to do with post secularism of pakistan that mehrb is refering to. Same is the case with gen zia who is father of taliban and darling of all Islamists in Pakistan, who has destroyed the history with ideology in the same name that Cancer Raja is advocating " Sharia". Zia's era has lead to where we stand now. pretty shameful state.

    • @nha3920
      @nha3920 Před 9 měsíci

      @@publicstudio66 Koi drama avoid nahi kar raha. General Zia ka naam liya to black vigo army ki abduct kar legi isko. Darta hai dollar army se. Islam ke naam per Zia ne pakistan ko barbad kardiya hai yeah baat chotiyah raja achi tarah janta hai.

    • @muhammadhussain5854
      @muhammadhussain5854 Před 9 měsíci +2

      ​@@fahadhameed7513their is no thing "secularism of Pakistan"

  • @jahanzaibnaqvi1360
    @jahanzaibnaqvi1360 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Watching for the first time but really feeling pumped that atleast there exists debate program in Pakistan although not on a news national channel

  • @muhammadghousashiq
    @muhammadghousashiq Před 4 měsíci

    A good practice by TCM.
    Please continue the effort.
    Really informative.
    Kindly try to upload one Dabate in a single video.

  • @zeeddique
    @zeeddique Před 9 měsíci +9

    Seemed like Dr awan will win for sure after watching the opening statement. But how tables were turned is amazing.
    Please keep making such content 🙏 Salute TCM originals!

  • @proletarians8671
    @proletarians8671 Před 9 měsíci +61

    Firstly, Moez Misinterpreted Karl Marx's quote. Democracy is when two wolves and a lamb vote for what to eat for lunch.

    • @bluecheetah666
      @bluecheetah666 Před 9 měsíci +5

      go to afghanistan and live under shariah lol

    • @ahtishamahmad3290
      @ahtishamahmad3290 Před 9 měsíci +12

      @@bluecheetah666
      100% would love to 😊

    • @osamarehman3120
      @osamarehman3120 Před 9 měsíci +4

      ​@@bluecheetah666I love Afghanistan ❤

    • @fsu3328
      @fsu3328 Před 9 měsíci +3

      ​@@bluecheetah666One day InshaAllah thr sharia is best

    • @abdussamad2471
      @abdussamad2471 Před 9 měsíci

      go to heera mandi and live there. lol@@bluecheetah666

  • @cpafcma
    @cpafcma Před 11 dny

    I am happy to know that talking about the differences still exists in Pakistan. Both guests were persuasive.

  • @La...000
    @La...000 Před 6 měsíci +1

    جزاک اللہ خیرا کثیرا قیصر راجہ صاحب۔۔

  • @hannankashif4398
    @hannankashif4398 Před 9 měsíci +43

    Well It will be fun to see the finale but up till now Dr awan has given many arguments that were more backed up by emotions rather than facts. Qaiser Ahmed raja on the other hand has kept a cool demeanor throughout the conversation and also made me think about the direction our country was supposed to be heading towards. Kudos to you 🔥

    • @faheemurrahman
      @faheemurrahman Před 9 měsíci +1

      💯💯💯 Right

    • @nha3920
      @nha3920 Před 9 měsíci +5

      Qaser rajah uske questions dodge kar raha tha. Jawab nahi diya merab ke questions ka.

  • @AsgarAli-je5ym
    @AsgarAli-je5ym Před 9 měsíci +212

    Liberals last resort is emotional arguments rather fact and rationality,

    • @nha3920
      @nha3920 Před 9 měsíci +1

      25000 Palestinians maar diye islamic country Pakistan army ke Zia ne islam ke naam per. Qaser choteah Raja ne jawab nahi diya iska. Fact batate hue bhi chup hojata hai.🙂

    • @umroyaar
      @umroyaar Před 9 měsíci +10

      To tumhare kia arguments hen? Kia Afghanistan ki example tumhare samne nai?

    • @cal_me_gulldozer
      @cal_me_gulldozer Před 9 měsíci +18

      ​@@umroyaarliterally her scandavian secular country ki example tumhare age he.. Jo her aitebar se crime rate mein third world countries se bhi age he.. Tumhari kia argument he?

    • @umroyaar
      @umroyaar Před 9 měsíci +10

      @@cal_me_gulldozer hahahahaha Scandinavian countries ki example di jaati he as better society isi liye happiest countries me shamil hen ...kuch aqal se kaam lo Yr

    • @doctornochu3092
      @doctornochu3092 Před 9 měsíci +1

      now now....generalizing is bad

  • @muhammadnehal7782
    @muhammadnehal7782 Před 8 měsíci

    One of the most decent debates I've ever seen. Both the competeters listen to each other patiently and agree on many points both have plenty of knowledge to argue and defend his point of view but qaisar raja sahb has a great intellect and just nailed it.❤

  • @letteringbeautifully
    @letteringbeautifully Před 8 měsíci

    The best use of Media and internet. Such debates should be encouraged to eliminate confusion from society. Youth should be inclined towards such beneficial content.

  • @thelightzia3941
    @thelightzia3941 Před 9 měsíci +31

    We appreciate both for very peaceful, informative, fact base and knowledge base arguments. I'm eager to see this video now it takes 42 hours to be released. Actually Sir Raja arguments is very fact base and more intellectual so i hope he will be shown as a winner 🥇 in this video. Respect for both..❤

    • @iqbalthegreat
      @iqbalthegreat Před 9 měsíci +1

      Don't give them a level of debate, fix them by law

    • @nha3920
      @nha3920 Před 9 měsíci +2

      Sawal ka jawab nahi diya qaser raja ne dr merab ka.😂

    • @akhtarhameed360
      @akhtarhameed360 Před 9 měsíci +2

      @@nha3920 onn sawal ka jawab deta tou kl raja sahab black vigo me ghomte or raja sahab ka mood nhi hy black vigo me ghomne ka

    • @nha3920
      @nha3920 Před 9 měsíci +1

      @@akhtarhameed360 Bilkul! bolti band hogaye Qaser raja ki Zia ke bare mai question per. Is se pata chalta hai ke yeah paise ke liye islam ka manjan bechta hai youtube per lekin sach bolne ki himmat nahi hai is mai. Black vigo mai bhaithne ka waqai mood nahi hai isko.😏

    • @DontOpenThisChannel
      @DontOpenThisChannel Před 9 měsíci

      And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are disbelievers. (Qur'an 5:44)
      Choose your side now! Because if you claim to be a Muslim you have no choice but to strive to implement the law of Allah, forget about saying we don't need it.
      If you say you are vegan then it's abnormal that you start eating and advocating for meat eating.

  • @sirajaziz3296
    @sirajaziz3296 Před 8 měsíci +10

    i have watched all 3 parts of this debate, both the participant have good command over their topics, These types of debates must be appreciated and this culture must be cultivated in pakistan. thumbs up for TCM for arranging such debate. Expecting debates ahead on more hot issues of pakistan.

    • @islamicreminders3090
      @islamicreminders3090 Před 4 měsíci

      Send her to speakers corner. We will deal with this inferior complexity 😂

    • @japjootsingh9734
      @japjootsingh9734 Před 4 měsíci

      It means Islam ☪️ vs secularism debates is 50/50
      Wow good job 👏 to the secular lady 👌🏼😎

  • @SbA_Shorts88
    @SbA_Shorts88 Před 4 měsíci +1

    What the hell of a Gem this person Qaisar Ahmed Raja is. Damn bravo 👏👏 Highly inspired by his views and way of representation ❤

  • @NotesandPens-ro9wx
    @NotesandPens-ro9wx Před 9 měsíci +9

    Great Applause for both commentators and salute to TCM for arranging such great debate

  • @areejali0302
    @areejali0302 Před 5 měsíci

    Worth to watch. Both mindset hv discussed their points nicely.

  • @kamrankhan-qm6hb
    @kamrankhan-qm6hb Před 8 měsíci

    Next level step of TCM. I would also appreciate both and mainly Dr Mehrub Moiz because we do listen to religious scholars most of the time around us but her intelligent thoughts also provide with a different perspective of an understanding.

  • @abeeraaftab1610
    @abeeraaftab1610 Před 9 měsíci +54

    Sir Qaiser is a real gem 💎

  • @touqeernazir4296
    @touqeernazir4296 Před 9 měsíci +71

    Hatts of to Sir Qaiser Ahmed Raja for a wonderful Insight.

    • @nha3920
      @nha3920 Před 9 měsíci +7

      General Zia ke bare mai sawal kiya Dr merab ne to chup kyon lag gaye? Sari insight teel lene chali gaye black vigo mai Raja sahab ki.

    • @Abdulrafay-ic7ic
      @Abdulrafay-ic7ic Před 9 měsíci

      to awan sab na kon sa koi jawab diya tha sahi sa baat hi khuma phira rha tha bas words ko idher udher karna ata ha logic less answers da rha tha
      @@nha3920

    • @muhammadkhan3376
      @muhammadkhan3376 Před 9 měsíci +2

      ​@@nha3920it was irrelevant bro

    • @bluecheetah666
      @bluecheetah666 Před 9 měsíci +1

      go to afghanistan and live under shariah lol

    • @hammazif3795
      @hammazif3795 Před 9 měsíci +2

      ​@@bluecheetah666 apko US jana chahye to bow to your Lord Secularism😅. Bcz we are a majority who want Shariah ❤

  • @AyubKhan-md4km
    @AyubKhan-md4km Před 10 dny

    Asking a question in an emotionally charged tone doesn't make the lady's position strong. It only makes her look emotional, curt, angry and minus decent intellect.
    Great job in dismantling the lady and her position Qasier bhai.

  • @farkhandatahir7857
    @farkhandatahir7857 Před měsícem

    Very clear and informative, thank you Qaiser Sahab

  • @yourrmeet
    @yourrmeet Před 8 měsíci +27

    Qaiser Raja just earned my respect when he mentioned Sanatan Dharma. This shows how clear he's with his thoughts. Although,Dr Mehrub did an incredible job, but Qaiser sahab nailed it with his arguments.

    • @Nans-cm2nv
      @Nans-cm2nv Před 8 měsíci +1

      Like always he has clear answers to opposite side like how he mentioned Hinduwata but no clear answer on his own topic sharia

    • @dundundun7215
      @dundundun7215 Před 8 měsíci

      He said that he agrees with indian secular legislature

  • @hibahfatimamehboob1840
    @hibahfatimamehboob1840 Před 9 měsíci +5

    TCM's initiative is fantastic! I thoroughly enjoyed the informative debate; it clarified many concepts for me.

  • @irfanbashir9708
    @irfanbashir9708 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Qaisar Raja became very logical. He thrashed all logics of Dr.Merub.
    In the light of whole debate, it is clear that Qaisar Raja has proved his point.

  • @mrkpod7443
    @mrkpod7443 Před 8 měsíci

    Thanks to TCM

  • @Sakhan804
    @Sakhan804 Před 9 měsíci +20

    Amazing at the intelligence of qaiser bhai mashallah mashallah

  • @AMChristian
    @AMChristian Před 9 měsíci +28

    Rational and logical Dr. Mehrub! Please keep it up!
    Only two points of sharia:
    a- Only a group of people from a certain religion have the right to rule the people, don't allow Christians, Hindus, Sikhs and other minority groups to hold the higher offices.
    b- Take money (jaziya) from Christians, Hindus and other religious minorities because they are living in the country.
    Where is Equality in shria????

    • @tauseefkiani-
      @tauseefkiani- Před 9 měsíci +10

      Since you are already here on CZcams, search on these questions and see what explanation Muslim scholars offer,

    • @faaann
      @faaann Před 9 měsíci +18

      Jizya is much less than zakat (that muslims have to pay) and paying taxes is OK but Jizya is not?

    • @BB-my3bq
      @BB-my3bq Před 9 měsíci +1

      Hahahah abdulls even dont know what is shariah but funny thing is they want shariah

    • @BB-my3bq
      @BB-my3bq Před 9 měsíci

      Shariah is most stup!d thing to call a system 😊

    • @dgenxali
      @dgenxali Před 9 měsíci +11

      Jizya nahi dena? Chalo theek hay, zakat de do phir, jo jizya se ziyadah hay aye muslims par farz hay.

  • @naveedakhtar9436
    @naveedakhtar9436 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Really impressed by dr mahrab awan.. U r a great asset unfortunately on wrong side.. May Allah open ur heart...

  • @user-op5vt6xy5w
    @user-op5vt6xy5w Před 2 měsíci +1

    What a Debate, I heard it with 1.25x, its just mindblowing!!!

  • @shaheerwasifvlogs
    @shaheerwasifvlogs Před 9 měsíci +72

    Qaiser Ahmed Raja 👑

    • @sarmadsardar2218
      @sarmadsardar2218 Před 9 měsíci

      Bhaie according to many shriat mein Tasweer haram hai then why have you put it on your profile.
      JIS GHAR MEIN TASWEER AUR KUTTA HO US GHAR MEIN REHMAT KE FARISHTE NHI AATE.

    • @Shreaadedaa
      @Shreaadedaa Před 9 měsíci +1

      @@sarmadsardar2218 tasweer wala argument apka apna hai, baqi kutta k baray main theek hai

    • @shaheerwasifvlogs
      @shaheerwasifvlogs Před 9 měsíci +3

      @@sarmadsardar2218 first of all we need to understand the difference
      Ya jo picture ha this is not actually wo pic jo mana he
      This is a combination of pixels
      Shariat main jo tasweer haram ha wo he jo hath se banai jay which imitates idols

    • @user-hf1xb9rj5s
      @user-hf1xb9rj5s Před 9 měsíci

      Qaiser Raza supports RSS majority replacement of secular constitution with their Shariah constitution 👏👏

  • @zawaal.
    @zawaal. Před 8 měsíci +24

    An absolute decimation by Qaiser Ahmed Raja, more power to Islam and to everyone who's a proponent of truth 💛
    P.S: Special thanks to Moiz bhai for agreeing and not just hiding behind the screen like he does in his insta lives XD

  • @shanali461
    @shanali461 Před 8 měsíci

    Very good initiative

  • @soloh4s
    @soloh4s Před 7 měsíci +1

    قیصر احمد راجہ صاحب! سید ابوالآعلیٰ مودودی رح اور ڈاکٹر ذاکر نائیک کے بعد آپ کو الحاد اور سیکولرزم کو یوں دلیل کی بنیاد پر ٹیکنیکلی بولڈ کرتے ہوۓ دیکھا۔ اللہ سلامت رکھے ۔۔ آمین

  • @nasirjamshid66official
    @nasirjamshid66official Před 9 měsíci +6

    Thank you TCM team for arranging such a wonderful debate ❤

  • @Stern5495
    @Stern5495 Před 9 měsíci +14

    Dr. Moiz. Great mind. In Post secularism we try to remove or alter pre drawbacks with passage of time.
    Change is law of nature.
    If some issue arise with passage of time who will tell you what to do in Sharia 🤔🤔🤔 what will be the reference.

    • @MJfp6lx
      @MJfp6lx Před 9 měsíci +1

      😂😂😂
      Spoken like a true gora
      Quran and Sunnah

    • @faraazsiddiqui1450
      @faraazsiddiqui1450 Před 9 měsíci +2

      Sharia is perfect it doesn't need change but your post secularism will need change because it gives advantage to the rich and the rich gets richer and the poor gets poorer.Capitalism is a product of secularism and not Islam.I ask Moiz how he will eradicate poverty when secularism steals from destitute and fills the stomach of affluents.Whereas Islam orders affluents to pay 2.5% of the wealth tax to the poor and no taxes are imposed on poor.In secularism,poor and middle class suffer the most and rich gets richer by evading the taxes.

  • @huzaifaaamir9224
    @huzaifaaamir9224 Před 7 měsíci +29

    More power to you Mr. Qaiser Raja you absolutely nailed this debate

  • @MUNEEBURREHMAN-mi2bd
    @MUNEEBURREHMAN-mi2bd Před 7 měsíci +1

    Its actually the lack of knowledge of Mehrub that has caused this educational and rational discussion to end up with so many disagreements and no positive outcome.
    I request TMC to please ask the debators to prepare well before they begin to argue in the face of masses

  • @sshafqat2
    @sshafqat2 Před 8 měsíci +3

    Excellent debate and senators and host, looking forward to see them again.
    Very highly appreciated

  • @shaharyarbukhari491
    @shaharyarbukhari491 Před 9 měsíci +4

    I believe that this is a start of new era a new change. Silent change. I love the science that how amazingly this debate is design. Thanks TCM ❤

  • @doctortalks7597
    @doctortalks7597 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Mehrub is litterat and sensible person with some good theoritical knowledge , but one can easily find loop holes in his conversation and arguments. Raja seems to be mature personality and with good hold on his point of views. Nice debate!

  • @maherazeem8366
    @maherazeem8366 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Qaiser bhai we love you...jo baat samajhna na chahe us se ulajh kr koi faaeda nahi❤

  • @zydihm2954
    @zydihm2954 Před 9 měsíci +36

    Awan seems more of a public speaker than a debater, while Raja is very to the point with what he says.

  • @shazianaqvee4108
    @shazianaqvee4108 Před 9 měsíci +4

    Nice conducting by host. TCM thanks for such debate. Looking more like this.

  • @MrIrfankhanify
    @MrIrfankhanify Před 10 dny

    Pakistan resolution passed in 1940 and Allam Iqbal died in 1938, Mehrub Moiz trying to convince that Allam Iqbal wrote a letter after the Pakistan Resolution passed i.e he wrote a letter 2 years after his death

  • @ibrahim_bilal
    @ibrahim_bilal Před 11 dny

    Amazing debate and environment , should keep up

  • @zeeshankhalid5747
    @zeeshankhalid5747 Před 9 měsíci +3

    Excellent moderation, and setting a beautiful example that how a debate on difference of opinion to be conducted... Sir keep up the job...

  • @zainabHayat975
    @zainabHayat975 Před 9 měsíci +9

    Great Respect for the host. He's been great👍

  • @algaza01
    @algaza01 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Mashallah good debate
    Islam aik behtr nizaam hy as compared to secularism.
    Agr hmm Islam ko 100% implement nhi kr skty tu secularism ko kaesy kr skty hn ..
    Nizaam 100 implement ho ga tu results nzr aey ga ..
    Nizaam ki implementation hr personality ki zimadari....