A PASTOR'S PERSPECTIVE on Dealing With SEXUAL SIN in the Church
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- In the ongoing conversations about well-known ministers being exposed for hidden sins, we need to hear a pastor’s perspective concerning what happens behind the scenes. What are the questions and considerations that good pastors look at when overseeing a fallen leader? We’ll talk about gifts versus character, illegal versus immoral issues, challenges in reporting sexual misconduct, how to inform congregations, and much more.
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In the ongoing conversations about well-known ministers being exposed for hidden sins, we need to hear a pastor’s perspective concerning what happens behind the scenes. What are the questions and considerations that good pastors look at when overseeing a fallen leader? We’ll talk about gifts versus character, illegal versus immoral issues, challenges in reporting sexual misconduct, how to inform congregations, and much more.
Crossroads Community Church CZcams:
www.youtube.com/@crossroadscommunitychurch-8089
Crossroads Community Church WEBSITE:
www.crossroadswinchester.com/
Bobby's book, LIVING A CHANGED LIFE:
wandaalger.me/product/new-living-a-changed-life-by-pastor-bobby-alger/
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Billy Graham's practice of NEVER-EVER counseling women alone behind closed doors needs to be strictly followed. NO EXCEPTIONS! He never counseled women, married or single, unless he had 1 lady who was married to 1 of his elders, present throughout the session.
Good point but the alleged abuse of some of these victims by theMinisters did not take place in a Minister's office
@@denalowry8710I was thinking the same thing. These things don’t occur ONLY in the pastor’s office! In the case of Robert Morris, it was in a friend’s home. What I’m wondering is, where were the girl’s parents?
My husband is a minister and the first thing he was told by my Pastor of over 45 years was to never be alone with a woman without me being by his side.
@@sherriestone94 exactly seems pretty simple to figure out, well done
As a woman who graduated from a seminary and had to listen to “never be alone with a woman”, I believe that if someone will cheat on their wives they will find a way to cheat. If a church leader, or wife, would stop tolerating the sexual sins rather than just getting away from them or firing them and, therefore, letting them move on to another church and let them perpetuate the sin, it would save the other women being exposed to their behavior. I speak from being the victim of a predator who was and is still a pastor.
Thank you for this Wanda. No man who has harmed a child should ever be restored to ministry involving children or women.. Restored to Christ, yes, but never to be trusted around our most vulnerable. Time and time again we see those that prey on the vulnerable and innocent do it over and over again because The Church won't dealt with them🙏
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It’s nice to hear from Bobby. He’s obviously a wise and seasoned shepherd.
Trafficing has bee going on for decades. The problem was those in Authority werent doing much about it
Thank you ❤
"Operation Above Reproach" safeguards all church staff, teachers, volunteers, etc. Never be alone with a person, including children. As a church secretary for years, this is a hard-to-do practice, but it is so valuable. Everyone is protected. My church also does background checks for all children/youth workers. I think we need to begin doing that for adult staff, too.
This is minimal requirement not a cure all. As most predators do not abuse their victims in a ministerial office
Enjoyed hearing your perspectives and insights. Thank you
I attended Mount Paran in Atlanta in the 90s. The door was always open so that someone in an outer office could hear the counseling session and make sure nothing inappropriate happened.
I’m so thankful I found your page 🙏
Be ye HOLY for I AM HOLY in the LORD CHRIST YAHUSHA MESSIAH'S NAME. Indeed! Amen...
The answer seems so simple men should counsel men and women should counsel women
That's not always the answer.
Once again, thank you Wanda and Bobby, for encouraging the body of Christ and for keeping us grounded in navigating this topic. This whole issue of sexual sin in the church has caused me to do much reflecting, as I had an affair with a pastor many years ago. It has brought up some painful memories of my own moral failure, because I duped myself into believing that this was okay for us because his wife was not meeting his needs! I was very vulnerable at the time, and he took advantage of that. I'm not making excuses - I knew it was wrong and thankfully God had redeemed me! Thank you, Wanda, for your faithfulness!
Very informative for both sides of these issues. Thank you for taking the time to address all aspects. I want to keep God's perspectives because of the world's hate of the church. They can not see beyond their hanging attitude. Grateful of God's redemption even if prison will be their home.
Thank you, Bobby & Wanda!
You cannot rebuild trust if a minister or leader is a predator. Sorry the Algers are speaking to Ministers that are not predators. Very Naive to trust leaders. Leaders need to earn trust
You're right in that our primary experience has been with leaders who sinned morally, but not did not abuse children or stalk women. Very different stories. We have also had more experiences with the law taking horrible advantage of good people. And yes - trust is earned - and we have a long way to go.
First of all, thank you Wanda for sharing Bobby with the rest of us. What a powerful couple you are.
As a pastor myself, who has attempted to live “beyond reproach “, I foresee where this is going or already is. Because of these scandals our reputations are one accusation away from being tarnished or destroyed. I am continually seeking the balance of avoiding the appearance of evil and being hindered by the fear of being targeted.
When a person of influence fails, especially when a person has preach morality and taught so biblical. The enemy uses it to bring those who are weak in faith to distrust God. It even causes those who are strong in faith to mistrust others. The saying that we were taught, “but for the grace of God there goes I”. Accountability is so important. Thank you for candid biblical approach to these hard situations.
there is still cover up going on. It's said he didn't reveal the girls name name. Called her a young lady. But she said she told her father and he did something about it. So if that's true I would have to think all those year's ago leadership knew who the young lady was. How could be anyone not be concerned if she was part of the congregation. How could leader's not be concerned of her repentance if needed, restoration and reconciliation. Sorry but there's too many unanswered questions and something doesn't fit right.
How often do pastors confess their desperate need for Jesus without Him I can't be good in this area of my life. Teach people humility to receive grace, stay in pride and you will never overcome. Overcome is a work of grace.
All crimes are sins, but not all sins are crimes. Crimes require punishment/ restitution.
great commentary- leadership--> reveals cracks of character!! Holy Spirit help us prepare!
There's something still not right about this. And unanswered questions.
I agree. Good points but about 30 to 50 years too late
My pastor was having an affair with someone in our church and the head of the headquartered church told him to keep it quiet, also the elders were involved in keeping it quiet, until the Holy Spirit revealed it to one person, and it was out to the congregation, sexual immorality is the worts sin done by a pastor
I Pray The Mercies of God , be in many situations of Repentance, And Private dealings ..
Does no one else realize this act was done at the same time Jimmy swagard went on TV saying "I have sinned"
Thank you for sharing this! We must grow in mercy, humility and the fear of the Lord. 🎉❤
Something you are not addressing, pedophilia is a crime that should be reported to authorities and dealt with legally. And when convicted, that person has to register for life whereever they live. They can be somewhat restored, but this basically keeps them permanently out of ministry leadership or the 5 fold ministry. I doubt you can legally get a license to preach in any state in the US if you are a registered pedophile. There are reasons for that. The recidivism rate for pedophilia is extremely high. In other words, it rarely happens only once. Note: I have a legal background and have been in church leadership. You have to be very careful in how you deal with this. You have to be legal. And you give the appearance of evil if you fail to follow the law. That is never good for the church body.
cheriwaller7598 you are exactly right.
True - we did not address pedophilia in this interview. Huge topic, but we haven't encountered that in our ministry (yet - and hopefully never will). The focus here was primarily on sexual sin, not crime or abuse.
@@wandaalgerwisdom True. And I do hope you never have to deal with it. I just wanted to mention it since you quickly addressed Robert Morris, which did involve that since the victim was 12.
Good talk!
All committ believers who are part of a body of Christ need to be transparent about how their emotional and physical needs are being met. We all need accountability. This is way, way before people fall. We need accountability partners from day one. Having prayer partners is mission critical.
So good to see your husband 😀
Predator ministers normally groom the victims and the abuse is not normally done in a Minister's office. This is a good point but it is a minimal requirement
Reporting decade's ago wasn't what it is today.
The sexual sin for pastors isn't limited to just women, It's all ages, and sexs. So it's an issue where counciling sessions should be monitored in some way!
Robert wasn’t counseling this girl at all. He has spoken of how trapped he was in sexual sin with pornography etc. those strongholds are hard to break. But either way God is able to deliver and heal. We could make it more open for help if we had programs available that teach on these topics that make a way for them to be accountable??
Using Robert Morris as the example for my question about repentance. I thought repentance was confessing your sins to God and ask forgiveness to the party that was hurt, and if they want me to stay in their life and allow me to regain their trust, great. My question is if repentance is real would one need to lie or obscure the facts? Would repentance also cancel any consequences? I have been reading my Bible trying to find if on has consequences after they repent.
My other question is does asking for forgiveness automatically require reconciliation? What I see in Matt is no, however with talking with other Christians the answer is yes?
Another Youth pastor was arrested for child sex-abuse at Lakeside Baptist in Granbury, Texas 4 days ago.
Dearest Pastor Wanda, I think we are speaking down, instead of coming along side, the question is have I had a lustful thought, okay let's repent together. Jesus was not a stone throwing ministry, He was more interested in those who were sinners than those who thought they were perfect. Humility is key. Men and women walk in on spouses cheating, in that moment we are triggered to go nuts.
This has nothing to do with a pastor counseling a girl. It was in her home. Good grief. Where were her parents? Apparently they were friends. Gosh.
It's difficult being a man, on a smart phone is everything a man can imagine. Any pain and porn is an easy comfort. Please pastors realize many men are stuck, masturbation and porn go hand in hand. Dealing with raw divorce and emotional issues. 99.99 percent of pastors can't say the word masturbation.
Spare me. Then, like God says, "if your arm causes you to sin CUT IT OFF". Ditch the cell phone, don't use it as a scape goat and an excuse to keep sinning. If you're so demonically oppressed that you've reached the depths of PORN, you had better me on your face daily crying out to God for deliverance from the demons.
31:00 Why not advise that they get married tomorrow at the courthouse? As to the impact on the child, that didn't seem to be a consideration in Nehemiah, when he told them to put away their foreign wives AND CHILDREN.
Robert Morris shared from the platform about sexual sin he was in when he was growing up. In a church. I’m not sure when he received the most wonderful God he never knew (A great teaching he has about Holy Spirit) who was Holy Spirit but we need Him to help us be delivered. And many churches don’t want the Holy Spirit in fullness. I’m not sure what kind of church he grew up in and I’m not putting this terrible sin in a place of unimportance as I was in a similar position as a child and I know the damage it does to a girls self image. The church should be more intentional on teaching about the difference between love and lust. Anyhow Robert was open about the stronghold of sexual sin and his complete deliverance of that as a pastor when he was free. The sin of lust and pornography etc are very strong bondages. And it seems Robert was trapped as a young man and apparently didn’t have the strength to fight against it. It’s so very sad a young girl was violated and abused. Robert repented for that but apparently he didn’t expose the whole truth about her age. She’s 51 now and a grandmother so her life has had some degree of restoration. It also came up in the news that Robert had a relationship with president Trump. This may have a lot to do with this coming up at this time. The enemy loves to tear down what Jesus has built. I pray she gets healed and is able to forgive. If she deserves a financial settlement so be it. It won’t heal anything. And I especially pray for Robert and his family. He is a great teacher. And has helped build a wonderful church. May they all be blessed as a church who will stay and continue to grow together. May Robert be blessed as well for laying down his life for the church in the times he served as pastor and especially now as he left for the good of the church. May God use him to help churches or people with this sexual issue. He would be a good candidate for the ministry of deliverance and redemption. We need him.
As we said in the opening - this conversation was not centered around Robert Morris and he wasn't the focus.
@@wandaalgerwisdom I know. Thank you it’s an opinion. Not an argument
A lot of this seems to be placing the suspicion on the other person; particularly unknown person, and most of this stuff is with known close people. Jesus put the onus for lust inside the person with the lust not on the object of it.
Lust is not love. Love does include sex. Attraction is not lust either. Love loves the person. And marriage and sex follow. We live in a very loose society
Robert was no counseling this young girl. He was just finding a time to get alone with her. As she got into teen years she also kept in a relationship with him. He should never have started that and especially with a young girl when he was 20 and then married himself with a child. She may have felt more for him than he did for her. Once a girl gives in to sexual grooming she will feel like she’s used and what difference dies it make now??
we all need each other. For repentance, restoration, acceptance and love. To be restored. If we can't or won't do that then where is the truth of our forgiveness, acceptance and right standing with the Lord. There's no hope for us then but I know we have that and need to extend the same to one another.
What the heck is wrong with you guys bringing up something that happened in 1987. You're agreeing with CNN right now!
Bobby Alger, "...and I think that sometimes when these stories break, we get about 7-10% of what...people are dealing with." THEN WHY COMMENT? Maybe the guy was molested himself as a child...acted it out...shocked himself, repented and was delivered of it. Can you imagine the ridicule CNN would heap on the mention of 'deliverance'? So, I guess if that is your source, you'll never hear that detail.
In Matthew, how we deal with this sort of thing in restoring someone, is set forth. If they DO NOT repent withing the Christian context of things, then they are turned over to God and He turns them over to satan...the secular judicial system is part of that. If the restoration did happen for this man and thus, God didn't turn him over to satan, it is absolutely wrong for Christians to be calling for someone to be thrown into the hands of satan. That is vengeance. If you wish vengeance on others rather than their restoration, you are risking calling justice, vengeance and violence upon your head. Think about God rescinding all the mercy He has given you.
This is why I do not jump on the bandwagon to 'get Hillary or Biden or SOros, etc., etc'. Because, until they finally die, they have the right in God's economy to repent and turn to God. I don't care if they go to Gitmo and are hanged, because frankly, killing someone won't improve my life...I just want them to stop doing wrong, so they don't hinder others from living healthy lives. Same with those who have offended me, slandered me, or stolen money. I just want my name cleared, the offensiveness to end and my money (back with interest). I'll ignore them and hope they stop treating others badly, too.
No we don't need to know every little detail. Isnt necessary or productive.
My pastor JUST preached on this last Sunday! If you would want to hear it, my church has a CZcams livestream. Just fast fwd to the sermon. @TownsendChurch4519 Such a powerful word.