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Here is a video on how I fixed the trigger “issue” on the Springfield Armory Hellcat. For some this is an issue, for others it is not. Regardless this is how I corrected it.
If you choose to modify your firearm you do so at your own risk. We at Thin Line Defense CO take no responsibility in you taking a file to your gun, or any other actions associated to your firearm.
Great tip definitely will be doing this.
Good job. You were very professional with your video, very thorough. God Bless, Jim
Thanks for watching! Joe did this one but he's currently very busy with work and doesn't get to do very many Reviews lately.
I'll make sure to tell him he did horrible lol kidding, he'll enjoy hearing the Kudos
-Walsh
Yep... I did this and it's good to go. Love this gun. I did it even though I wasn't convinced that it's a problem. I thought it's better to be safe than sorry in a under pressure situation.
I altered mine just to see if it would solve the "issue". I did not have a problem with the way it was but thought, what the hell lets try it. Thanks for the comment.
Thank you for addressing this issue it help me slove the problem
This is the best video explaining and showing the mechanics of the trigger blocking.
People with hands too small for that trigger design, probably have an objective difficulty to press the central blade first, and their finger naturally tends to press the side of the trigger first, resulting in blocking.
This is therefore an objective problem for smaller hands, not just a question of technique, because it is objectively difficult for those hands to press the trigger correctly.
I saw a video where a guy says he has no problems, but his wife cannot shoot it at all. In that case, no problem, she will get another gun, but if the hands are just borderline too small, then the problem may occur only in a small percentage of cases, because it is still objectively more difficult for such hands to operate the trigger correctly. But who is to say that the problem will not happen just when the gun is really needed...
Thanks for the video. I just received my Hellcat which is in fact a HS11 like yours. I haven't fired a single shot but immediately tested if my gun has this "issue". The answer is, it had this "issue". Just took a small nail file and rounded the edges a tiny bit and it's good to go. Greetings from Austria and thanks again, Steve
Love your videos. You deserve more subs.
Jeff, thank you so much for the nice comment. We are hopefull for more viewers but will continue to make videos for people like you! Take care and stay safe.
Thanks brother
While I never modify safety features, your video is the most reasonable modification I have seen for this, "issue." Others out there are making somewhat similar yet more drastic safety modifications and are just begging for a N.D.
Mine wasn't an issue, but it became one as the gun broke-in. Strange. Another fellow I shoot with had it do the same lock-up when he shot it. I switched to a Powder River Precision all metal trigger and all metal safety insert and now there is no issue and my 6 pound+ trigger pull is around 4.5 with a spring kit as well.
ive owned springfields for as long time. this is the first time ive ever seen this issue.i called them and told me. we dont watch you tube videos. its working as intended
Same answer we recieved. Check out our first video on this we posted the response email.
So all their other bladed triggers don't work as intended? Because this is the only model that locks up like that.
Very helpfull thanks
Please sweet I appreciate that video I think I'm going to have to go home and get that fixed
Little work with a file and you're right as rain!
It seems like I just need to make sure my index finger should be right over the trigger safety. In intense situations I don’t know if it will be an issue or not. I have to practice. thank you.
Have ran through multiple drills with mine (purchased January 2021) from holster to target and the only way I can get the trigger to hang up is by consciously putting pressure on the side of the trigger and then rolling my finger over the trigger safety (which is awkward to do). So after no modifications and going through over 1000 rounds even with crappy cheap ammo ($$$$$$$), have had zero issues with the trigger. I can see why some want to modify it but for me, no problems out of the box.
Thanks for sharing! It's very customer dependent on if this trigger's operation is an issue for them.
Off angle question....is your slide cut with the updated cuts?
@@ThinLineDefenseCo what are the updated cuts?
Thanks
No problem, good luck and stay safe. Thanks for the comment.
I fixed the problem by breaking it in
Thank you for the insight. I only have a few hundred rounds through this pistol. Good to know.
Never had an issue with mine. Obviously you don't press the trigger from the side.
Jeff Dolgin Well, if you’re fighting on the ground after getting jumped, you’ll hope you can get a a clean trigger pull.
@@adam45011 lol
Um no. This isn't an issue solved with "break in". I own the gun. Its a design flaw. No amount of rounds down range magically make the tooth on the safety rounder. Its a hard right angle that presses parallel to the frame. Un less you broke the tooth or the frame chipped where the safety hits, which requires an amount to of finger strength nobody has.
I had the same exact issue.Took a flat file and had it fixed in 30 seconds. What would have happened to me if I had to engage quickly and the trigger safety locked on me?
Is the stock trigger the newest trigger?
A friend of mine just purchased this hellcat, sure enough, he ran 50 rounds though it and is having this same issue, I may Hold off buying one for myself.
We want to reserve the determination on this being an "issue" to each owner.
As noted, it can be trained out and it was designed this way by Springfield. It's just something to be aware so each individual can make the most educated purchase.
I made up my mine, I will purchase this hellcat as a daily carry. My hope is I will learn it's limitations.
So if you push the trigger in a way you normally wouldn't actually trying to find an issue it won't fire and thats supposed to be an issue?
Of course its an issue. In the heat of the moment when things are moving fast the probability of it malfunctioning is much higher.
If you got one recently they have the problem fixed.
Concur! It seems Springfield made a design change in February of this year (2021)
Just called Springfield armory and asked if the hellcat 9mm pistol I purchased 3 years ago had any recall they said no I will train a few more times and decide if I want to file back of trigger thanks for the video h
no recall but Springfield did change the trigger design to longer function this way in February of 2022.
New models do not have the edge on the trigger.
Did springfield give any negatives with your fix...like nullifying warranty or like?
Not that they have said. I did not reach out to them either. Great question but I have no idea. You really can not tell it has been altered.
I saw all the videos but found a deal on a used Hellcat and bought it. Figured someone may have gotten scared away and sold it. Shot it...no issue. Got it home, cleaned it, inspected it...all looks good. Took it to my home office and attempted to recreate the issue. The ONLY way I could do it was using two fingers. One to pull on the side of the trigger from the right side, and one to press the dingus from the left. That did indeed "lock" it. But it's supposed to lock it. If I pulled the trigger the way I normally do on all my guns....which is placing the pad of my finger in the middle of the trigger and pulling with a smooth linear motion until it breaks....there was no issue.
That said, I did see a video that said if you have small hands this might be an issue. Even with the 12rd mag inserted, I can't get my pinky on the grip. My knuckle is damn near in front of the trigger guard when my finger is on the trigger. So for me to press the side of the trigger is very difficult. My fingers don't bend that way. So maybe it's not an issue for me because I have bear paws for hands.
I love my hellcat. Glad you were able to pick one up! Thank you for the comment!
While the trigger does work as intended I can see the issue. SA needs to alter the trigger safety mold by a hair. I also "fixed" my trigger a few weeks ago similar to your fix. Just take your time and check every few swipes to make sure you don't go beyond making the trigger safety effective.
Great comment Todd, thank you for sharing.
@@ThinLineDefenseCo Well first off you are having finger problems pulling the trigger. you need to train your finger to pull the trigger straight back and not a sideways side angle and stop using the tip of your finger. You people need to know how to pull safety triggers. They are a different ball game. These type of Video's just shows your inexperience.
Theinformant, you should watch the video before commenting. This is your second comment that has missed the mark. The finger manipulation was done on purpose to replicate the malfunction.
You are absolutely correct. Good post.
My Hellcat out-of-the-box did not have that issue, I wonder if it's something they fixed.
They did! Apparently it was a revision that was in February. They changed the rear of the trigger design to be more like the "fix".
Interesting stance to say it's not and issue and then double down on it....then change it.
*shrug*
-Walsh
Bad idea Bro if your not a gunsmith!! If your not, good luck in court.
Lol calm down cool guy. The edge rounds as you fire the trigger more. Plus Springfield changed the trigger design in February of 2021.
My trigger works fine (hellcat purchased 5/21). Maybe SA changed their design without coming out and admitting it.
They did!!
Never had an issue.
I'll be continuing to test an unmodified Helkcat with multiple shooters to see if we ever experience the issue in real shooting and dry firing.
czcams.com/video/M5LL_J4mH6s/video.html
I just purchased a Hellcat with the optics cut and mine doesn’t have this issue, don’t know if Springfield fixed it or I just got lucky.
11/2021
Trigger design was changed in Feb 2021
@@ThinLineDefenseCo thank you for the reply
At 4:47 " It's really not an issue for me" I think that sums it up for this "issue"
It must be an issue with triggers if they have universal mods for gun
Well Springfield guess what we don't want it to work like that... already 'FIXED' mine
My hellcat fde does not have that kind of trigger problem
They changed the design in February of 2022 to be in-line with the rest of the Springfield family. Hence why you don't have this issue.
It was odd of because Springfield said they wanted the original design....but then changed it and told no one.
-Walsh
In 2021 SA changed the trigger design slightly, in exactly that point.
www.thearmorylife.com/forum/threads/hellcat-trigger-debacle.7449/
Well there's the proof it was changed!
It's a weird stance for Springfield to take to say it's not an issue...but then change it.
Now all the triggers perform the same. Interesting.
Thanks for the info!!
-Walsh
I saw the Hellcat wide trigger in Academy mid May 2021, called SA in and was told they went to a mod2 trigger 6 months ago. Seems they recognize the flaw, that my early Hellcat has. I'm installing an Apex for their wider blade tomorrow.
On my new Hellcat this is not an issue. Looks like SA fixed it.
I don't understand why people are ignoring a clear issue. Glocks have issues with limp wristing. I have seen small stature people cause stovepipes in glocks. The glock fanboys just say hold the gun tighter. Its still a problem no matter how you slice it. While it may not be an issue for you it may be for others. The Hellcat has a trigger problem no matter how you slice it. But if you ask me i myself never had issues with limp wristing glocks and i would take it over the hellcat dead trigger.
What type of file did you use? Can you possibly add a link or specific example?
Looks like a nail file lol
I used the nail file on my nail clippers and it didn't take much to get the job done. I liked that it was smooth on the edge so it scratch the frame. Now this "problem" is solved.
You can do it with a cardboard nail file just take it slow and test the trigger function every few passes.
This is the silliest manufactured defect I have ever heard of. Nobody should want your gun to fire if you push the trigger laterally.
well tell Springfield. They changed it in February of 2022 so it no longer operates as it shows in the video
@@ThinLineDefenseCo The "change" was just to placate the fault finders club. I can guarantee whether I'm shooting at the range or should I be in some sort of critical high pressure situation my trigger pull will be directly from front to rear.
only sig users want that
I just Purchased the new hellcat in May 2020 and mine is not doing the same seems like Springfield addressed the problem and took care of the issue
Thats awesome. Thank you for sharing. I think i got mine in Jan or Feb of 2020
Where you buy yours from
I just got mine in late June 2020. I can make it happen when I want to, so I don't know that they fixed anything in production. However, I put 300 rounds through it without even the slightest catch. Idk. To make it happen I have to pull the trigger with such improper placement that with added stress I'm probably more likely to hit anything other than a bad guy. A quick partial release and pull lets it fire. I'm not saying it's a non-issue, but I think it's a very insignificant issue. Certainly not big enough to say the gun is garbage. The hellcat has been a pleasure to shoot so far.
...here we go again. You haven't had any problems because you know how to properly pull on a trigger. I don't think Springfield has changed a damn thing...
Yeah, I solved my Hellcat trigger safety issue by selling the gun! This safety system is not needed to begin with.
Springfield changed the trigger also and no longer has this design
@@ThinLineDefenseCo Good
I would not recommend tampering with the factory design. I have had no problem. But to each his own.
You can actually take off a good bit more than that and the safety still engages as it should.
Be careful. Someone will freak out from hearing about removing millimeters of metal lol
@@ThinLineDefenseCo people should be freaking out that this the only handgun on the market that does this. Every one yelling that this how the safety is supposed to work has either never fired a gun with a trigger blade safety or they are SA shills. I own the hellcat because there is no other gun on the market that fits in my hand the way this gun does, and filing that tooth was the first thing I did. It needs to be done or get an apex trigger.
Do not modify this gun if it is your carry gun PERIOD. If you consider the Hellcat's factory trigger to be a problem, get a gun you do not feel the need to modify. If you do have to use your gun in self defense, the prosecutor will have free reign to paint you as a maniac that modified the trigger safety. Never modify a carry gun in a way that modifies the factory function. Have the gun stipled for a better grip and you can probably justify it, but know that you *will* be justifying it in court. Modify the trigger safety, trigger pull force, etc. you're signing your own jail sentence. Juries are selected by the prosecutor to not be knowledgeable about guns, and they do not like modified guns, and they will not understand the subtleties of why you did it or how it did not affect the engagement of the safety. The risk of jail in the criminal trial and the risk of losing everything you own in the civil suit that will follow is very real these days - even if the shooting was justified. You need everything on your side. Do not modify your carry gun! Become proficient with it as it came from the factory. My advice to Thin Line Defense Co if this is to ever be used as a carry gun is to remove the trigger they modified, throw it out, and replace it with a new factory trigger. The aftermath of a use of deadly force incident is no joke.
Thats bull crap and its never held up in court. Heck i can't find a case where it has been even been raised in court. If that were true then every person with an apex trigger in their gun is putting their neck in legal jeopardy.
Saddleworn is spot on. Do not modify a carry gun or even a home gun likely to be used for defensive purposes. Save your modifications for competition guns and don’t run the risk that a prosecutor may have a ‘hard on’ for you thus laying the groundwork for the likely financially crippling civil trial which will follow. Don’t take unnecessary risks with all the political uncertainty swirling about the mere existence of firearms, much less one used to wound or, gasp, kill another human being.
Feel free to roll the dice for yourself, Jacobean, but don’t pretend for even a second you know what any given prosecutor will do on any given day to any poor schmuck caught in the capricious wheels of justice in 2021 in a Biden-Harris cluster fuck of an administration.
From, Ex LEO with ample knowledge on the subject.
Good job with your contribution, Thin Line. You got a sub from me.
I always do some research on the firearm I'm thinking about purchasing and this was one of um. Saw the video with the guy saying "this gun could get you killed". Yeah maybe if you are pretty dumb and can't operate a simple trigger safety. The trigger safety has been around for a long time now and it is a proven form of safety system for many firearms. Being a polymer component, any sharp edge will become smooth with use, but I would tend to agree that being part of the safety system should have been addressed at the factory. I was looking at one of these pistols and had planned to do exactly what this guy is talking about, but then I picked up the Sig P365, and end of story. Needless to say, my Sig took care of the trigger safety issue and at a lower price to boot.
Warning don’t do it! I did the same this independently a year ago. And I thought I fixed it. And yes it is working and not blocking when doing draw practice. And I confirmed the safety wworked as well. Until one day it discharged when the gun was dropped with Kydex holster. So it basically failed the drop test. Fortunately no one got hurt. Contacted Springfield and they upgraded to the improved trigger of the newer model.
That's not accurate. The new *upgrade* just has the nub filed down.
I'd be cautious to say incorrect info.
Thanks for sharing the trigger can be upgraded. We did an apex trigger instead.
yeah trigger safety are drop safety as well. people modifying their gun voids warranty because of that
Not an issue for me since my finger isn't on the trigger unless im firing the gun!!! Also my trigger is covered when not in use!
I'm definitely not scared to work on my guns, but if you are under so much stress you cant pull the trigger straight back you probably shouldn't take that shot. If you do you will pull it and possibly hit someone else. I'd rather let up and then pull again. IMHO
Shot my hellcat first time today and it kept binding up!
Dry fire, not so noticeable. Using live ammo, very noticeable..If the trigger is pressed high and straight, works okay..In a situation of high stress, I don't want to have to think, okay high and straight..
Must be something they corrected i have ran a thousand rounds through mine and never had a problem..i don't care for the trigger style safety anyway..it may help if something snags the trigger it may discharge but if you pull the trigger the gun fires. Seems like not much of a safety but that just me lol..wish the gun manufacturer would go with a real safety on these guns now days..
They did actually. They changed the trigger in February of 2021. Which is odd when they spent a year saying it's designed that way....but then changed it.
@@ThinLineDefenseCo thank you for the info..i enjoyed the video!!
Like the video my trigger sucks .
like this comment, it was upgraded in Feb 21 to a new style.
I'm not sure if modifying the trigger is a good idea. I think people who have problem with Hellcat trigger should re-visit the training class. That's how trigger safety works.
Thanks for commenting! The trigger of the hellcat works differently from all other Springfield models.
We do agree that the customers are the ones that should determine if this is an "issue" or not.
We also highly recommend the apex trigger upgrade for the hellcat!
Yet everyone got pissed at SIG about their P365's when their response was the same as Springfield Armory's EXCUSE. Why would anyone give Springfield Armory a pass on a crappy response?
Sigs 365 and 320 had some very bad flaws when first released. A 320 that isn't drop safe in the combat zone is huge compared the "problem" hellcat has.
@@XDM10 Yeah I know. Because we drop our guns so often. Right?
FYI that recall was fixed before it was sent to LE agencies or MIL.
Also dropping a gun over and over to make it fire is totally different than pulling a trigger and it NOT firing.
IF you're in a situation where you need your gun to go bang and it doesn't. Oops
The P365 had less that .015% of all their pistols sold have that issue. That's like 1 in 3,000 made.
@@danielk0106 well the sights were falling off the 365s the trigger springs were going bad and they had failure to go into battery as well. As far as the 320 goes anyone can drop their gun, as for the hellcat if you PULL the trigger to the side you aren't going to hit a target, if you can't shoot a gun properly file it down. No biggie. It's made to be a pocket pistol and they don't want thousands of negligent discharges like other name brands.
@@XDM10 Other name brands? Which would be? GLOCK or S&W? They're the only guns I know that people were shooting themselves. Mainly LE but they wanted to blame the holster system for that. Like I said SA shouldn't get a PASS nor should anyone else who makes a malfunctioning gun. When Gun Stores notice the problem with the Hellcat and SA gives them some lame excuse we're suppose to accept it?
I guess reputable STORES and Gun Owners are to blame for a faulty trigger on some of the Hellcats.
@@danielk0106 well they are all like that and it is part of the trigger safety as many people will pocket carry this firearm it will help against negligent discharges. If you don't like it that is fine, file it down in 1 minute it's fixed.
if you are locking up your trigger due to excess lateral pressure then thank goodness you weren't able to fire the gun. The bullet coming out would have been extremely off course and would have hit something two feet left of target!!!! Get your trigger finger fixed first! Leave the safety alone!!
...best answer I've heard yet. Me- I don't have a problem with mine. It works as it's supposed to...
Fix the problem by learning how to shoot properly.
What problem?
-Walsh
Touché.
Learn how to shoot you won't have a problem. This is not a defect, it prevents negligent discharge from lateral movement.
This is beyond trigger discipline. No other gun i have ever handled that has a blade trigger safety behaves this way. This is very specific to the hellcat. If I don't get a proper purchase on the trigger in the heat of the moment and take the slack out of the trigger before engage the blade, that gun isn't gonna fire and it could cost someone's life. Every other blade safety out there would let you just roll the pad of your finger over the blade and will lit you pull the trigger instead of having to let go of the trigger and readjust my position. I've been shooting guns for 15 years putting thousands of rounds down range, heck I own a hellcat, and I recognize that this is an issue. Trigger discipline is like karate, you can be a 3rd degree black belt, but when it hits the fan, a lot of stuff goes out the window. Whether or not my trigger goes all the way back should not be in the back of my head. If you are confident, do the modification, if not get an apex trigger. But as is the trigger is just a much as a hazard as it is a safety.
To all the stock Hellcat trigger lovers out there. Love is biased. Is the trigger faulty? Not sure..Does the trigger operate exactly like all the other SA triggers, I own? No! Do, I feel it's safe for me to carry, to protect my family? No! Do I give a rats ass if You. think it's me, and not the firearm? No! I will either sell it to one of you lovers, or I will fix it, or have it fixed. Just hope someone protecting you, with one, doesn't find it has an issue, and you are laying somewhere dead because of it...
Apparently Lisa M from Springfield is incompetent she needs to do research on the trigger to help her customers
Easy enough. Their email is BS.
Yep super simple. Just a very small amount of material.
trigger discipline is the cheapest fix
New gun, practice, practice and practice. No problems...
This is beyond just good trigger discipline. This issue is specific to the hellcat. No other bladed trigger safety behaves this way.
@@jacobianmail Give it up already. This is not an issue. It behaves as a safety should behave. Practice with it and you'll have no problems. Grip it like a man intent on using the damn thing and it's gonna go off.
This may be a stupid observation but it seems to me that the safety on my Hellcat simply works better than any other trigger safety I’ve seen. The fact that you can actuate the triggers of other guns while not putting your finger directly on the safety first means that their trigger “ Safeties” just aren’t as safe as the Hellcats.
The question of having a safety on a handgun is arguable. Which is why some handguns don’t have any safety mechanisms at all.
For those who think the stock Hellcat trigger safety is a problem or as at least one other youtuber put it, unsafe, suggests to me that they may be unclear in their understanding of the purpose of a SAFETY.
We concur that the function of the trigger being an issue or not is solely the responsibility of the consumer.
We bring it up because the trigger is the only one in the springfield lineup that functions this way. So while it could be a safety function, you're then saying all of the other springfield lineup is less safe in a weird kind of way.
I've also seen it noted that springfield made modifications to the newer trigger so it does not function this way. I have not gotten to see one lately with silly covid though.
We upgraded our trigger to an apex and no longer care about this oddball in the springfield triggers.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
I completely agree that this design makes the safety really work correctly - when the hands are big enough to operate the trigger correctly - i.e. by pressing the central blade first. But if hands are too small it may be objectively difficult for the finger to press the blade first. It tends to press the side of the trigger first and the trigger blocks.
It is therefore not just a question of technique, but of objective difficulty for small hands.
And if that objective difficulty results in failure to pull the trigger even in a small percentage of cases, that could be a safety problem of another kind, because it may just happen when someone needs it the most, and forget the way they compensated for the difficulty using technique, because of high stress or panic.
Congratulations you now have a unsafe firearm. You removed the safety feature. Be careful when you draw with one in the chamber....don’t blow your junk off brother!
Month later and junk is still there. Thanks for the concern though.
Well first off you are having finger problems pulling the trigger. you need to train your finger to pull the trigger straight back and not a sideways side angle and stop using the tip of your finger. You people need to know how to pull safety triggers. They are a different ball game. These type of Video's just shows your inexperience.
Thank you for your comment. This video is for people who think the trigger is an "issue". Like described in the video if you believe it is an issue then here is the fix. If not then you are good to go. Have a great day and stay safe.
Get in a fight that knocks you to the ground and you have to pull a gun while on your back and shoot it. You are not understanding the problem. No other Springfield or hand gun in general with a bladed safety locks up like that even if you roll your finger over the blade after pulling. Its the only one. So either the Hellcat is the only gun with properly working safety or every other gun with this style safety is defective.
It's a bullshit issue.
No way I'll ever buy another Springfield . I had a Hellcat briefly. The trigger saftey would catch on the frame when it wasn't supposed to. In a defensive situation this is very bad. Springfield just ignored me and my emails and the problem. It's ashame when a company ignores people's saftey and lives because of Greed. No way I'd trust Springfield.
He just voided his warranty.
Thank you for you comment.
patrick hill
Jeez, I knew you’d be here too.
If you put as much energy into contacting Springfield, as you do in spamming that dumb comment(albeit with slight changes when people called you out) on EVERY Hellcat video, they may have responded to you. I’ve been seeing your stupid comment ALL YEAR LONG.
Give it a rest will ya, Patty boy.
@@jonkR96 nah
@@jonkR96 stalker
Just get a Glock
I didn't know Springfield made one.
-Walsh
It was never an issue, idiots just don't know how to pull a trigger, it was and hopefully still is used for safety, I don't understand why people think it's an issue! 🤦♂️
I just wish I possessed your firearm skills. The dozens of people that are on here that have this exact same issue need to take lessons from you so that we idiots can shoot our gun.