Angie Bowie Talks About David Bowie & The Spiders From Mars
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- Angie describes how they first met, his music, how she influenced the Ziggy shows, and his drug use in America during the Diamond Dogs Tour.
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I'm a 40 plus years fan of Bowie, he's been my number one idol since I was 12. I will agree with many others that actually KNOW Bowie's history. Angie was definitely very much a HUGE part of Bowie's Ziggy creation. It was Ziggy that launched Bowie and his talent that kept him there but Angie was a huge part of that early success and to think otherwise is simple ignorance
It is sad he tried to bury her.She is clearly a phenomenon, as was he, and yes, this comment comes from a soul sold long ago to the original source.
No i agree,Ange and the spiders were short changed
Angie may be a bit Ruby wax kinda wacky, but She Seems Very Shrewd and down to Earth , I Like Her....
@@jcfal1708.. what was the song from long ago ?
Angie did they really just sit down and take your advice to write the song "five years " and so they just sat down and took your advice to write this song .. song in particular.."5 years I thought they should write it" so they sat down and wrote the song I'm just quoting you Angie" talk about letting cats outta bags...
So what would you have them write next ? You actually said "I just thought they should write it ".
Yeah, she's brash. Yeah, she's full of herself. But the truth remains... she pushed David into the Ziggy era, and we should be grateful to her for that. And I have both read and listened to the audio versions of "Backstage Passages" years ago. It's worth checking out.
C'mon, she talks as if she had the mind of today when she was that young woman (who happened just to equally addiction problems)
I completely get her and she I'd one of the very few rock music 'people' I have any respect for. I have read her book and yes it's very good
I have a feeling the folks calling her " brash" are British and the Brits don't like outsized American personalities. I guess she is their idea of a cliche.
Men have the same qualities without being criticized
She also married him even though he told her "I don't love you" and she knew that their marriage likely wouldn't work out because when they divorced later she would get half of all the money he made as a rock star back then.
gosh ! didn't realised she was so smart before!!! never seen this interview, what a great story.
The Spiders from Mars were fantastic. Yes, Bowie wrote the songs, but their contribution was underrated. (Especially Mick's arranging, co-production, etc.)
I dont think Mick Ronson is underrated, he's pretty famous.
John Doe He's way underrated...
Eh maybe
+Madeleine Hague Mick Ronson is the GodFather of all of those Heavy wannabe Metal rock guitarists. Listen to Black Country Rock or any of his leads on The Man Who Sold the World. Ronson ruled the Metal Git in the 60's
Kinda like the story the fans gave ziggy all the credit
Sorry love her or hate her she was a major catalyst in the most creative period of Bowie without her input he would be a different artist not so potent and highly regarded as he is in this period, Angie deserves proper recognition, remember this is the 70s people are inventing themselves on the spot day to day,nothing like this happens today, and then when David was bored she was dropped - Angie well done x
The Ghost Of Mayfair she wasn’t around for Station to Station.
No matter what people think about her she was what Bowie needed when he started. Someone that was able to speak up and really push him. She may be rough around the edges but they were part of a wild and crazy lifestyle and probably needed each other to grow and change. Her side of the story is very interesting.....
I agree!
That's what she says...but here is a thought, where would she be without the talent, will, intelligence of Mr. Jones? Because he left her and went on to have and enduring career waaaaay beyond what he started with her. Had he sombered into his addiction (aling with hers) would she be on her feet? Would thir son be such a fine man? Mr. Jones had the elegance of not mentioning her, ever! And here she is, leaving in the past, in a pseudo bitter glory that was not exactly her. It was David Bowie on the stage, composing, painting, creating.
She is an incredible woman no doubt and she has a HUGE personality which she knew how to use that's for damn sure
@Monica. I'm sure your post contains some interesting points but I recommend spellchecker because I can't understand half of it. I loved Bowie's music but let's not turn him into a saint.
Not everyone's first language is English actually Carolyn. I understood Monica's comment.
I interviewed her on my radio show years ago. She was a big influence on David, whether you like her or not.
Says she.... Nobody cares, she was very much in his past.
She was a very big influence on his look... the bands look... she had no influence over the music except for when David was thinking about their life on songs like Kooks .. none of this would have mattered had she not got them the deal to begin with.... she was very important in David success.... without her it might not have worked out So well for David for sure.
i agree. She was the one who was there during his darkest years. Iman wouldn't have been able to handle ziggy stardust and thin white duke era
She was a springboard for David. She might have become too overbearing for him, I can kind of see why. Probably gave the poor guy a migraine.
That is what she says.... What influence was she on David really than being a typical American dimwitted broad that never amounted to anything and has not amounted to anything since that time either. Hmm. It should say everything that David got custody over their son and she didn't.
I believe what she states, she says it so effortlessly and it makes perfect sense her brutal honesty.
+Annette Mattes *Exactly*. Lying is probably easy for her, bc she believes her own lies.
@@themaggattack Thank you. Tell a lie enought times it becomes the truth.
It is so sad when your other half move on with his new life, create his future and experience many new chapters of life but you still get stuck with the past and "what could have been."
+Constance Keller exactly!!!!!!!!!!!! she rode bowies coat tails to fame
+Montanee jo Yes. At first I was pissed with her but had to rethink it. She helped very much in the beginning and he dropped her like a bad habit when he got bored. The world was worshiping him and he couldn't handle it. Plus the drugs were taking over and sex with soooo many people was going to his head. Anyone would have trouble handling that at twenty-something. She got the raw end of the deal and she's trying to make a living. He should have put her on the payroll after that but he was going through $$$ like an 18 year old sailor in a whorehouse. But at the same time, she was not there for most of his career (which I understand was his fault) and does not deserve to be compensated for the rest of his career. She does deserve something for what she did. Maybe 5k a month for the rest of her life but no more!! She can learn to live on 5k. If not then she can get some kind of job to supplement that but no more "Mick and David" in bed stories.
+nallly Aren't I generous!! LOL
+Sofie Rheder She did drugs, too. She was totally out of control, herself. To hear her tell it, she was making everything happen and he was just a "blithering idiot". Not by a long shot, lady. She did help out, and she deserves credit where credit was due for her contributions... but give her an inch & she'll take her inch, plus everyone else's inch, and every last bloody inch in the universe. She's a narcissist, and narcissists operate by tearing their "loved ones"/ *victims* down when they can't control them. She was pissed that she couldn't control him, so she kept trying to put him down. She even admits, herself that she tried to manipulate & control him through histrionics. He had to drop her like a bad habit, because she WAS a bad habit. She was toxic. He sued her for custody and won, because he was getting off the junk, but she wasn't. David was an extremely benevolent human being. If she hadn't been so very toxic, he never would have cut her off. But she was next level toxic. He did what he HAD to do.
+Sofie Rheder You don't have to know either of them personally to observe his body of works (before, during, and after her presence in his life) & see that he had insight & talent. He made himself, she didn't make him. His work really speaks for itself. If she had all the marketing genious she claims to have, or any talent of her own, she would have made herself a respectable career... but she didn't. Instead, she latched onto him & tried to build him up & break him down. She was pretty pissed that she couldn't. She'd still rather blame David for her own shortcomings. Even in his death. Which she used for attention for herself, in such an over the top, grotesque & pathetic manner... I had to wonder if she, or the fucking branding geniuses at Big Brother were dressing her as a clown & encouraging her to act like one, as some homage to Life on Mars... but I'm probably giving her a lot more credit than she deserves.
As for behavior while on drugs: I know they both hit drug addled lows, but the difference between her & him is that he made truly amazing art, music, and affected good social & political changes to this world, even while on drugs. He also stopped using drugs, for the sake of his son. She didn't. She kept using drugs, but making NO art, and NO positive contribution to society. She just keeps flapping her gob, trying to claim she made him. Some people believe that bullshit. Not sure why I waste my time trying to explain anything to people who just don't get it. But no, just because we disagree does not automatically make us equally wrong.
you guys are all dissing her, but as much as I love Bowie i found her opinion very interesting. It is nice to see a different point of view every now and again, and I just think that her personality is quite strong that she came across as harsh and bitter
+Empyrias I agree!
First intelligent post yet.She is strong in her beliefs and doesn't back down.Good for a young Bowie.
American brashness lol, she funny doing Yorkshire accent,
+Empyrias I hate coming off like a feminazi but seems whenever it comes from a female perspective, it gets much harsher and brasher critics.
+Empyrias I agree, though, as a marketer, she couldn't help trying to talk up her own contribution to the Bowie enterprise. Geoff Emerick did the same in his bio about his time engineering for The Beatles.
I thought Angie was funny, smart and entertaining in the interview, despite the big ego - and that doesn't exactly make her Robinson Crusoe amongst celebrities and VIPs!
I like her honesty; her no nonsense approach to talking about their lives. And if you watch the David Bowie documentary they say she helped influence him a lot, as well as many other elements that were fused together to create our unique David.
He married her at the time, so you can probably safely assume that she did help significantly. Bowie is also on record as saying that the drugs and booze made him a horrible person.
Pork Woofles .......Yeah, I heard people that bad off on substances abuse are “in the room, but not present “...
They do that to everyone
People slag her off but she was a big part of hes image and style early on .
David met Angie at an important moment for both of them. Neither of them had a reputation for being easy to deal with. But they each had something the other needed and they made compromises. Dave was arty and could effortlessly churn out songs that had unimaginable potential. But that was all it was. Potential. You might not believe this if you aren't in the business, but spend a little time with musicians and you'll soon learn that at any time, amongst all the no-hopers, there are also always some arty ones with limitless new ideas and endless potential. And almost all of them will ultimately remain just as unknown as the no-hopers. Why? Because unlike David, they'll never meet their very own Angie. And without someone just like her, how can we be so very sure David would ever have become Ziggy. Or anyone else we'd ever hear of. Sure, she never managed to create another Ziggy. But even David, who ditched her soon after he ditched Ziggy, knew that Ziggy launched him and she launched Ziggy.
Very well said. I mean, this is far better than the Courtney Love comparisons and the Iman ass-kissing comments, good grief.
Angie deserves credit. Not all of it, but certainly her share.
@@marsha-madness-super-badness Thanks Marsha. The overtly pushy types are definitely easier to be irritated by, but that doesn't mean these people are of no value in society just because all we can see is their pushiness. Pushy people often appear selfish, cold, and heartless as well as being unapologetically manipulative, ('it's just for your own good' they invariably tell us) but whether the individuals and the things they get done turn out to be good or bad, such people definitely exist, they are 'a force of nature' and we need to look for ways of dealing with them in the real world, rather than just expressing hand wringing regrets that we were powerless to do anything about them when they did things that we didn't like, or cheering for them if they do things that we do like. David was no less pushy that Angie. Sure, he was ultimately able to present himself as a much more sympathetic personality and as a result, consistently sustained a degree of public support and approval that Angie never could. because he was prepared to reveal his vulnerability in a way she wasn't. He was nonetheless unapologetic as far as his own manipulativeness was concerned, art is by definition an activity no less inextricably intertwined with manipulation than anything else we ever do, and by using the repeated reinvention of his own persona as one of his primary artistic activities, he was ironically demonstrating the power of manipulation and exposing its risks. *But* the job of helping us to face those risks is ironically clearer with Angie than with David, because to many there seems to be nothing to 'mitigate' her unapologetic manipulativeness, whereas there seems to be ample reason to treat David's manipulativeness as purely being an intrinsic 'part of his art'. We certainly don't think that 'persona reinvention' is manipulative, because we say things like 'but that was exactly what I liked about him!' But her shaping of the very first 'instance of his reinvention' to gain him widespread public attention is seen as callous and mercenary. If we think society has to find ways to equip itself to cope with anything it doesn't like about the Angies of this world, then it has a similar (and just as challenging) job to deal with the Davids and in reality to deal with the even more daunting job of coping with situations where characters of this type team up, as they invariably do before they ultimately find each other's self absorption too much to bear.
This was an interesting post. I had been under the impression that their split was pretty mutual. She had to have felt deeply hurt and betrayed to have been abandoned once she helped him establish his creative footing.
@@benicio1967 Thanks, I was very 'well-read-up' on relevant aspects of each of their backgrounds at the time that I made that post, but unfortunately, at the moment, I would have to devote some time to 're-immersing myself' in order to have anything remotely insightful to add.
@@peterfriedman2830 I do not entirely agree, I am referring to the artist and the change in David's music and art, not to what he was like as a man. Changing style and character was just part of his way of being. He was probably also influenced by the schizophrenic branch of the maternal family, it is no coincidence that he has always insisted on the fragmentation of modern man. When Low came out he had to impose himself to be able to release it, that record was deemed unsaleable by his record company. In terms of record sales and economic success I don't think his constant desire to change and reinvent himself has always benefited him. There are bands and singers who have sold far more records than him and continued to make the same kind of music all their lives. He may also have been a manipulator but as an artist I think he often did what he wanted, sometimes even going against his own interests.
Well, thank goodness she alone was able to pull everything together and to inspire so much creativity from those boring musicians and market their skills to the best of her seventeen year old capacity and close the record deal and command them to write an anthem song to verve up the audience and play dumb when it was appropriate so they would have a more polished stage presence and pick out suits and put up with David's drugs and other bullshit! Whatever would David had done without that seventeen year old marketing specialist closing the recording deal for him and his band and taking them all under her wing, even going so far as to marry boring old David just so she could influence him to be a more marketable product!?! (eyeroll from hell here)
That about sums it up.
+Cynthia Jokela No Wire Hangers!!!!
+Cynthia Jokela Hilarious!
+Cynthia Jokela dripping irony and sarcasm....well done.
Yeah I agree, she did gave me that impression of her.
I find it interesting that there is so much hate spewed at Angie when even David has admitted that she made his career. This is what she went to school for, folks. She was as good at her job as Brian Epstein and there's nothing wrong with it. We have all this wonderful music at our disposal partly because of this woman. Thank you, Angie.
Laura Tanner no one is mad at her for that, they’re mad at her for all the stuff she did afterwards.
Laura Tanner Brian Epstein wasn't 17 and paid to "close the deal" on an upset man who had just ended a relationship. Brian was mature, established as a businessman in his own right and certainly DID NOT backstab his beloved Beatles!!! How dare you compare the two!!!!
@@V-grandraccoon So true. I had every respect for the lady until she publically badmouthed and backstabbed her dead ex husband. I'll try to find the clip, but basically she makes out David was nothing without her. She never once mentions his talent or his inventive ideas.
@Napoleonic Emperor What drug are you on? If you noticed I was replying!! You can't compare them. They were from different decades and music trends for a start!! She wasn't Bowies MANAGER!!! BRIAN WAS THE BEATLES MANAGER!! *HENCE _YOU SHOULDN'T COMPARE THEM._ Like I WROTE!! Crikey!! Get a bloody grip!🤯
Oh, I'm really torn here! Angie comes across as a parody of a business woman! In truth, she was not essential to his overall success as a musician BUT she was a driving force behind the unique look of Ziggy - and moving things along a little in the early stages. She overplays her contribution to his career...because she didn't get ANY acknowledgement or money for her work (just a small divorce settlement). And because Bowie didn't return the favour. He agreed to help make her a star once he was one - then he tried to get rid of her.
So, yes, she is bitter, and overstating her contribution - in order to balance out the fact that she has been overlooked entirely. And, for Bowie's part - no, it wasn't his fault he didn't love her back, or that he maybe saw she wasn't a talented actress and therefore didn't want to help promote her. But, you can understand why she's bitter. She believed in him and loved him when no one had heard of him, and had to put up with him at his druggy worst, and yet he comes out of it everyone's "hero" - and she is seen as a bimbo trying to cash in!
David Bowie is one of my favourite artists, and he is classy and charismatic while Angie is brash and bolshy, but she's ALSO tough, hard working, and was of great use to Bowie for an important period. So, she is no gold digger or bimbo, she is simply trying to reap the rewards of a name / brand that she helped make. And not doing it in the right way, unfortunately.
+Jade Cunningham - Great post, I'm pretty much with you but reading some of these comments it seems like everyone's putting the "bitter" label on her. I dunno, maybe you guys are right but that's not really the vibe I get. She seems awfully credible to me. You can tell when people are painting a picture vs describing a picture, know what I mean? The way she recounts everything you can tell it's not bullshit. If it's true all she got was a small divorce settlement out of the whole deal, I don't get the harsh reaction she's getting here (not from you so much, Jade). Let the woman get her due credit. It's not like she's claiming she wrote songs for him or anything.
+Jade Cunningham Bowie basically used everyone and any one along the way. I believe he always felt he owed them nothing. All of "the spiders" would attest to this as well as anyone he has worked with. This is coming from a huge fan. His music is all I care about.
Bill Taylor Yes, he did. He charmed and beguiled everyone he met, and paid them the most flattering attention. He'd then absorb as much support, money, sex, music as they could give. And then off he'd trot. But, in his defence the argument with the Spiders (no sex involved here) was over the fact that they were paid peanuts and angry about it because they (understandably) assumed Bowie was very rich at the peak of Ziggy. In fact he was skint - it was all show, so he couldn't pay them more and I suspect he didn't want to admit it. Selfish he is but stingy? Not really. I know that after Marc Bolan's death he supported his son for decades. He has many sides. I do think that if so many people will accept such an unequal relationship with him (Angie, Ken Pitt, Ava Cherry, Lindsay Kemp, etc) then it may have been a struggle for him to respect them. So respect them he didn't - wrongly, I know.
Jade Cunningham - Well you know what they say, respect must be taken, not given. It's not Bowie's fault if the people in question didn't do what was required to command his respect. Obviously this only holds true to a point. Some people don't offer their respect no matter how deserving the person in question and those are the worst kinds of people imo. Bowie doesn't fall into that category, I don't believe...
+Jade Cunningham Bowie was not greedy.
Remember, she was persuaded to do this at 17 years old- an age most kids are either in their final year of high school, in America,at least, or trying to get into college , or entry into a first job. Yes, she did try to help him when he was an unknown. But, he forgot completely about his promise to her to help her advance herself after He had his first taste of fame.
She legally changed her name to Bowie, David's stage name. Not even David Bowie did that.
Tony Martin all for the publicity
The fuck?
@@TheGrimReaper54321 Talk about blowing sunshine up your own arse!!
@Tony Martin What a great comment, I didnt even know that, a Bowie fanatic for 48 years 🤓
I never thought of that. But it's so telling. She only wanted to be Mrs. Bowie, not Mrs. Jones. When Iman talks about David she always calls him David Jones. She loved the real person, not the stage character.
If I never knew her name or history, I'd still think she would be an asset to any man... amazing woman.
Beautiful interview - many thanks for posting this! There were some great things about Angie without a doubt - credit where credit's due.
You also have to remember that what we know and love of David is an image, an ideal, a way of life. Angie was married to him she saw the human and she saw the white monster cocaine turned him into behind closed doors. I think they were just too young and drugs destroy everything in its path. I like her because she sheds light on the very human parts of David's career the things we didn't necessarily get to see. And yeah she might be brash and have smoked too many cigarettes in her day but I think Bowie liked her because she brought out his own crazy and creativity. We owe a lot more to her than one might like to think.
AFter all these years, I'm finally reading Backstage Passes, and I have a whole new respect for Angie and what she accomplished "68 to "73 or '74 or so!
I will miss him so much loved his voice he brought something different to the stage
+Linda Garza .. females love freaks
+cecile white you're not alone Cecile. I've been devastated since I got the news. I've cried too.
I don't get the negativity. Obviously she is a very strong woman who came along at a time when Bowie needed someone strong in his life. Of course the narrative is from her point of view but I also think this is about as real and honest a depiction of that point in Bowie's career as you're going to get. Don't forget she is one of the couple of "Kooks."
Give Angie her due, she was hip, funky, outre, ballsy, whatever, they were once a kooky item on the scene, a family with their son and she put the work in and marketed him well.
I didn't like her for some years, but now that I have seen and read a lot I begin to think that she was really that good for his career, and she did a lot of what she claims she did. Maybe because noone gave her the credit she deserved she had to talk about it herself. And maybe after all those years people begin to see the truth. I like her quite a bit now, can see her funny side, her brave and honest straight forward side, even kindness and also great generousity.
ZERO GENERATION: REBELLION: PROMOTE: "Q+A-ANGIE BOWIE-CANON-FILMED IN "MOONAGE DAYDREAM ":ⁿ
She is fantastic, always was. I became a teenager as she was giving the world David Bowie. She was pure startling style on top of substance; great instincts, beautiful, highly intelligent, and I think misunderstood. All those ahead of their time are! love you Angie Bowie.
She reminds me of Courtney Love.
You read my mind.
ahah really?
So true! At least Bowie was able to get out of his marriage alive! Soglad he was able to find the love of his life in Iman who is leagues better than Angela. May Bowie RIP
Courtney Love has her rough edges but she at least put out a very good album in Live Through This, while in Hole. Thats a lot more than anything this woman ever accomllished.
* oops typo accomplished.
Bowie and Angie were quite the couple in their day. David wrote the song "kooks" about them.
didn't he wrote the song about he's son Duncan !!
@Beckyh921 Yes David wrote the song 'Kooks' for his son.
Angie has been much maligned over the years but had the pushy American drive that Bowie so desperately needed at the time. She vociferously fought his corner & even acted as a minder at early gigs where people thought nothing of throwing a bottle! She was as instrumental as Mick Ronson in turning Bowie the folk singer into the global superstar he became. Like Ronson she too was eventually discarded as Bowie moved on.
I think that she thought that she was so irresistible, that he wouldn't move on without her, even though that's what others have written he was like........probably back in her heyday he found her very attractive and beneficial, but I'm surprised she was naive enough to trust in him, in light of how he treated a lot of people.........she even said.....something like, watch this, I'll slip right in..............well she did at the beginning, but I think her ego caught up with her.........and she too was dumped........I've seen it written, that once he had you in his pocket, he moved on...........I think she was too available, too doting on him.........and thought that she was above it all, and nothing of the sorts (like being cast aside) would ever happen to her
@@constellations9258 marriage is commitment you know. It would be weird to be so bitter for being left if they were not in a commited relationship, but it totally makes sense considering they were married.
711honved
Well if she was such a good promoter why didn’t she move on.... Bowie’s genius is his own ....
711honved Yes very pushy, so pushy she told the 1971 Glastonbury organiser on the phone Bowie wouldn't do the gig, he then spoke to Bowie himself and he did the gig. That concert revitalised him and made Bowie realise he wanted to carry, he then wrote some of his best stuff. Watching a documentary right now where Bowie says that gig kick started him again.
@@ziggypop8106 I don't think Angie was very happy with Michael Eavis scheduling David's performance for 5am in the morning. When he got on stage there was almost no one there. Those in the Beckenham Arts Lab/Folk Club remember Angie with great affection. She never stopped promoting her man, dealt with record execs & even flipped burgers at the Beckenham Free Festival.
Don't you think now is the time to just Let It Go, dear?
She made it, have kids and she's married
In spite of herself; I like her. I always have.
I've always liked her as well, she's so dramatic 😁
Tough woman but I think Very honest. Great interview.
with both her and her ex's history........I wouldn't trust either one of them.........I don't really see either one of them as being "honest" for the most part
after Bowie died I watched a lot of the interviews with him and other people around him, and they nearly all mentioned Angie Bowie and what a big part of it all she was. All except David Bowie. I chalk it up to the old male/female troubles led him to devalue her and find fault with her over time.
Me too
I think your fantastic Angie. I did back then and do now.
You remind me of William Burroughs!
Thank you for your part in what will always be an important slice of British culture.
Mick too, may he RIP.
I think she's great. She speaks her mind, and people are threatened by confidence. Especially those who are insecure.
When you are constantly on uppers and lsd you come accross as condident and Brash . I have to say though she has a very good constitution to be able to be still articulate and looking good after all this damage . David was not so lucky
Have you ever been married to David Bowie or anyone famous, for that matter? Didn't think so. Easy to sit on you little computers and judge but you still clicked on this video, didn't you? Enough said. She can have her glory even if she is a dingle berry cause you know if you were in her shoes you'd be trying to milk it, too. Celebs are good at using ppl and throwing them away once they can. He obviously threw her over once he had no use for her. As much as I love her, ppl like you will always side with the more famous person on the basis that their fame makes them superior. See the Velvet Goldmine.
Justine Jackson I love Bowie's music....but I agree... A stepping stone...just another human to tread over to make it...
Justine Jackson You are right about the judging mentality on social media, and us not knowing them personally, but please hang on a second: I love Bowie for his talent & genius, but I'm not saying hes a saint. Still in this case it's much more fair to say they probably used eachother. Because celebrities might use stepping stones, but never forget their entourage (in many cases) mostly consists of profiteers, wanna be's and groupies.And I gotta hand it to Bowie, who has more class in his fingernail then Angie's got in her whole body, that he doesnt go public, no badmouthing or placing comments etcetc. He's there for their son, and goes on with his life. ps What makes you think everyone in her situation 'would milk it'?? I like to think of myself as someone with a bit of integrity & talents of my own...
Angie thank you for telling the true story of Bowie's early years!
I remember kids at my school with Bowie haircuts in 1971 already...and this was Canada
I will give her this though, her Hull accent is pretty good.
Mad Cyril Yes, you are right. Karen
she never stopped loving him don't care what she says
Mary Ellen no she didn't.
She never stopped loving the attention that being 'Ex Mrs Bowie' brought, she didnt love the real man I dont think
How could she stop loving him if she never started? She hurt him so much in their marriage, she broke him in the divorce. I hate this woman to no end.
@@angelinastardust9857 ?? From what I've heard it was actually vice versa.
@@raelowe1034 Well, you heard wrong.
I find her likeable in this interview. She's got her own version of events, which may or may not be accurate, because human memory is fallible. We all adjust our memories over the course of years, to a state where we're comfortable. At any rate, she knows what she's talking about, and I would have appreciated someone like her when I was in my 20s, writing lots of songs and trying to make bands work. I was always good with creativity, but terrible at getting to know people, or form musical/business relationships. I also had a tendency to lean on my GFs, but none of the women I ever dated were very interested in music, or impressed with my talents; some of them were literally tone deaf and didn't really pay attention to any music. So I can see how someone like her could be useful, even appealing. I will admit she's a bit of a blowhard, and I'm only halfway through this clip because I needed a break!
I LIKE ANGIE... not over her past... I just like her... God bless.
she has a strong personality, I like her. It broke my heart to know that she's not part of Duncan's life
+Brenda Luna Duncan??
+Christopher Walker She and Bowie are the parents to an adult son named Duncan. He doesn't talk to her either!
pup lover Oh wow! lol I guess that says 'something' about her. Sad.
+Christopher Walker Not necessarily, David decided he didn't want her in his life, it wouldn't surprise me to find out that he made sure their son didn't either.
+Rosie StLam Duncan is a grown, intelligent, talented man. If he wanted to reunite with her he could but he doesn't seem interested.
She is the best!Angie Bowie should be famous So brilliant
Mick Jager did write, “Angie” about her, so a little fame😊
Dont kill me for this!!! I gotta give Angie props. She helped formed Ziggy! They both got "Me leg over"!!! Different times! I still remember how she talked back then "Daarrrrling"
As huge a fan as I am, I always hoped he would reconcile with her, to give her the props she deserved... Bowie was a great composer, an intellectual, a rebel of sorts... Angie made it happen in the support of his inner circle... they were both fearless in their uneven strokes of creativity & public flamboyance...
Me too!!! I also wish for her to reunite with her son Duncan…
Why do I get the feeling that she genuinely believes his success was all 'her' idea?
Me too.
Aw my god yes she is like that i cant countinue watching this 😐
Leslie Amador She’s obnoxiously taking credit for his success!
@Les A Because she does, seriously deluded
Bc she did.
She seems a good person, and good on Angie for making money from her encounters with David other people do it 🙃
If you ever read this I feel the need to write this. Have spent 5 hours watching Bowie stuff. Bowie is always going to be part of me but I think you really deserve credit for what you helped build and give me maybe this is due to an interview given by Trevor Bolder. But thanks again x
met Angie in Atlanta once. nice down to earth lady.
I have always loved Angie, she is even better as she grows. David owed her a great deal, she was a marketing marvel and he used what she taught him throughout his career. There is a photo on here of an early concert wher there is about a dozen people there but Angie is screaming and shouting David! she get the others started and keeps the electricity going lol, what a star, Bless her and how honest she is
David is responsible for being a LEGEND.
And mick ronson
Regarding Angie - "Of her, years after their divorce, the pop trendsetter said: “She has as much insight into the human condition as a walnut and a self-interest that would make Narcissus green with envy.” New York Daily News - January 11, 2016. Those starter marriages can be trying. David Jones has a beloved son, Duncan Jones, with her, so, there's that!
Queen bitch-y, naughty of Bowie if he said that for the public
She's pushy, loud, very American straight-talking... but I really like her.
Her Yorkshire accent's really good as well.
She reminds me of a blue collar neighborhood bar maid! LOL
LOL
I've read that Bowie said in 1983 identifying as bisexual was the worst decision he ever made. Around 11:00 minutes into this video, Angie explains the media manipulation they used to get the Gay dollar. Makes sense, Bowie was an honest man with the courage of his convictions. I'm Gay and have no problem with him.
Angie is a fantastic and talented woman. She deserves more credit.
Is that why her entire career has been as his professional ex-wife?
This explains a lot: about David's otherwise inexplicable suddenly blossoming metamorphosis, his callousness toward Angie, and his increasing return toward being the "regular guy" he was in the beginning (finale notwithstanding). Those are otherwise huge gaps.
Shedding light on a person until you see that they're people just like you and me does nothing to diminish their greatness, nor does it make them any less fascinating. It only serves to remind us once again that each of us can attain greatness when we release our imagination.
If this woman was a musical instrument she'd be a kazoo!
+Ruxton J I burst out laughing at that haha!
+Ruxton J or a vuvuzela
+Ruxton J Kust fell off my chair laughing. Thats hilarious. Thank you
She tells it as it is............... and i admire her for that. She's not about to sugar-coat anything which i don't mind at all. A lot of people taking cheap pot shots at her should pull their heads in......... and get the stars out of there eyes. Bowie was wonderfully talented, amazing really. But they needed people like her to make it happen, & get the ball rolling for them
Give this woman her just due... She was more than a supporting wife... she was a producer, assistant director, wardrobe consultant, marketer... Isn't that enough for her props to be hers?
She wasn't a producer.
A Producer?????? I think Tony' Visconti himself might laugh at that comment 🙄
Plus she was the chef to all the boys at Haddon Hall!!!
Anyone can have an opinion about Angie and DB, but only one person was there to experience their life firsthand and that's Angie. She's an intelligent person who knows what she's talking about. E.g., Tony Visconti wasn't crazy about Space Oddity. And she helped make DB a star. How much so who knows nor should it matter. Their relationship imploded and to say they weren't meant for each is obviously an understatement. ............would have loved to been a fly on the wall circa 1972.........
Strange Angie that, with all that marketing talent you claim have,
you didn't manage to ever make a living doing it after the divorce. Why not? You didn't have the excuse of caring for your son because David got custody. Isn't that because YOU had a very bad drugs habit? I remember a quote from DB about you. "She has as much understanding of the human condition as a walnut"
She talks about David's drug use, yet gave him their son and left him to raise him. So he must have had a lot of good in him, to be willing and able to rise a son and be a single parent. He was a different man once clean.
+Graham Cottrell Very funny!! LOL
*Exactly. On point.*
She is no good. Never was.
I think she's Manic or bipolar
Im a big bowie fan I've got a smashing tattoo of him also .. If anggie is telling truth here then David used her to get him in the door if you like .. She had all the ideas big ideas that took him to the point he need to get too .. In saying that he wrote mostly all his own songs & sing them himself so she never give him his talent but she helped him alot bcoz that idea with the red hair and style i dont think would have been fought up by anyone else .. He dropped his band the spiders in an awful way too without even telling them it was the last show until he was actually saying it on stage so David would have tramped over anyone for fame they all would then wen they get fame they say they hate it which I've always said bullshit too they all love the attention thats why they want it so much .. They always use people to get to the next level ... His music is fantastic and I'm still a big fan but truth is ... It wasn't very nice what he did on anngie and the band ... Sometimes your idols don't always turn out to be who you think they are.
Incredibly informative--I knew very little about Angie Bowie before, let alone a different perspective of David Bowie (Rest In Peace).
I didn't want to watch this video for a long time--she's actually better than I'd imagined!
I was a child,when Angie and David were together,i always wished they had stayed together,.
I am soooo proud to say, I saw David Bowie in concert 💕💕
People in the know have said she helped MAKE Bowie.The costumes,makeup,gendercross.All her idea.She was a genius.If not for her,there would be no ZIGGY
Bowie was so much more than Ziggy. What good would have been to be such a genious without the talent and artistry of her former husband? And if she was really such a groundbreaking genious where did her career as a producer go? A lot of talk but not much substance as opposed to David Bowie
@@monicaangelini3324 You make some valid points.,,,BUT,,,.I think what we find here the sum of those two parts equals millions.Not 2.,David Jones + Angie = Ziggy.
Another point is .No matter how weird/different/new a band is.If they cant write original material and sing like a bird. They wont fly .FLY ON ZIGGY
@lumyal9
I think you'll find Ziggy's persona was Bowie's idea and the costumes were created by famous designer Kansai Yamamoto. 😬
Mick Ronson in an early 90's video said the really early costumes were made by Bowie's neighbour 'Sue Frost' from material they'd buy at Liberty. Maybe Mick got it wrong? NOT 🙄
@@joethelion6016 If you were a designer,or an artist, you would be in touch with how ideas come to fruition.PS Bashing/downplaying/Mudslinging dulls the senses.
She's a genius
She's very eccentric, vivid at even. I see why she was somewhat of an influence on Bowie, after his break-up from his true love Hermonie, Angie was there to build him back up. I can't fathom why people are giving her saying she was bad for him.
Angie strikes me as someone who could've been a genius but ended up wallowing in her own self-pity and bitterness too long and lost every chance she had of being someone.
Ryan Owens That was because Mr Bowie was more of a genius, a ruthless genius who totally used her and many others on his stairway to stardom..
This exactly. Very competent and capable but also very abrasive, which doesn't go down well from women, and just... she never got over that marriage. It's like she remained permanently insulted that he wasn't that wowed by her after all.
@Trance_World_Artists 2014 misogynistic thoughts here.
Angela Bowie was a genius with David Bowie👨🏼🎤
She sounds bloody horrible yet at the same time very honest and well driven.
I don't know what I'm doing here🤔.
Listens to a couple of Bowie tracks and this pops up.
Reading through the comments below, one thing becomes apparent to me.
She, was married to David Bowie, all the commenters slagging her off where not!
😇
Great interview!
Thanks for posting.:)
Interesting interview...enjoyed reading between the lines too.
...she could have been Martha Raye's daughter!
+OlymPigs2010 LOL!
+OlymPigs2010 funny you should say Martha Raye, Angie didn't remind me of her exactly, but she does remind me of my late Aunt (same generation as Raye) who was this natural born story teller, and slightly pushy if truth be told
+OlymPigs2010 Haha!!!!
I’ve always heard bad things about her but judging her here I think she’s cool and seems to know her stuff about what would work and doesn’t seem like she’s bullshitting about her role. Seems like she’s be a good person around at beginning of your career to sort of male the big decisions for you and make all your plans seem possible.
We all have to admit Rock&Roll squeezed out some real doozies, and I rashly had placed Angie in that category until I listened to this. While thinking about the times...it occurred to me that this woman is probably laying down the truth here. Although of course coloured in her own subjectivity, I totally believe this was how it went down. Thank you Angie, because it was Ziggy Stardust that got my attention IN THE BEGINNING. But David's Stardust got stuck on all of us...and we couldn't ignore that Ziggy was just one facet of a major talent!🤩🥰😎
Some interesting background info, but unless she wrote the songs, I give her zero credit.
She is certainly very switched on, and no doubt a massive part of Bowie's success..
A fighter, and a very interesting spiritual being. She has her masculine and feminine in a beneficial balance for what she wanted to experience. She and David definitely have aspects in common.
Good point.
Angie tells it like it really was and i believe her.David on drugs was a nightmare that even he recognized and regretted.
she's very coarse
+Carolyn Nigro True , but she does have the inside scoop.
After a couple of minutes watching her speak I simply could NOT believe that Mr. Bowie would have been attracted to this woman in any way whatsoever (other than the fact that he was bisexual and this "woman" is rather manly :)
+Carolyn Nigro Yes i believe her own son doesnt like her.....
+Carolyn Nigro What? She said she was sofis ticated
+Daniel Miller Her inside scoop is only true in her head. She sounds exceptionally self-centered and self-serving. Perhaps the bare facts are close to true, but her insight is not. Bowie has said she has "insight into the human condition of a walnut and a self-interest that would make Narcissus green with envy." Well. All the best.
In this interview she never said she was so in love with him or that he was madly in love with her. It sounds like it was a marriage of convenience. She did say " he must have decided I was more useful on his side then not interested. " .No they don't seem like they would be a couple but at that time in his life he believed she could help his career. I believe he would have became famous with out her eventually. Maybe she did help get him going in the right direction because of the people she knew.
I met mick ronson when I was 15 1974 in nyc we spoke for 15 minuets and I remember mick telling me there separation was do to his drug use and mental state at the time when people use they lose the people closest to them
For gosh sakes everyone - get over yourselves and lighten up.
You know she is a Marketer and as with other careers in this world, there is a certain personality type that perfectly suits their goals.
She has the perfect personality to be a Marketer and looks like David truly needed her during the time they were together.
Why be such Haters?????
Look in the mirror yourselves before you spout your foolish drivel and think you are "All That"....
She pretty horrendous on British TV right now. The only reason she hasn't sold interviews to the press this week is that she is in Celeb Big Brother here,. No doubt she will be open to the highest bidder to sell her name once she is out. She may have been a marketeer and she talks about David Bowie as a produce not the father of her son. She talks about drugs but gave their son to him .
It's not hard to see why David got tired of her, but there's no denying that she did a lot for him - including giving him a son. It would be nice if they could resolve their squabbles and become friends. Old age is a time for forgiveness and reconciliation.
Too late now I guess. But I'm sure David Bowie had his reasons. David had the genius but I think he just needed someone to show him how to organise it and she did that.
Angie probably became too overbearing for him.
I think that Angie did love David and in the beginning I think that their marriage did work. From what I`ve heard they had an open marriage, but when David Bowie became interested in one of his backing singers during the recording of the "Young Americans" album and spent time and moved in with her then Angie could not accept it even when Angie herself had eyes for other men than David during their marriage. I think that their marriage was falling apart because they grew apart and it´s not easy living with a famous rockstar and David Bowie was also an addict for most of their marriage and I can imagine that the drugs also played a part in their relationship and marriage falling appart. Angie is not as bad as some people think that she is. Yes, she´s very confident and says what she thinks no matter if people like it or not. In the end when David died she had a lot of positive words to say about him. You can watch parts of her interview with Loose Women here on CZcams and she did praise David Bowie and his music he recorded when he was with Angie and also the "Blackstar" album. :)
She was a catalyst for Bowie...she seemed pretty sassy as a young lady
God, what a literal harpy. I guess her little recent tirade on CBB cemented her status as an awful, awful person.
I can't blame Duncan Jones for not talking to her. Iman was a bazillion times the better catch than Angela. So sad for his passing. RIP
+illinformedgeek yes, Duncan Jones is her son. He was named Zowie Bowie at birth and was called Joey growing up. He eventually settled in Duncan. He is a talented movie director and has a wife.
+MsFlamingFlamer I thought that his birth name is Duncan Jones, and that they just called him Zowie Bowie in public?
+omfug Zowie Duncan Jones.
+omfug His full name is Duncan Zowie Haywood Jones
I see why she's ex
Me too! She is annoying as hell😳
Why because she is a baloon popper?
David was no saint either
she looks like annie lennox
You are so good! God Bless you A.
I could handle her for about 12 minutes. First of all a 17-year-old has no legal capacity to contract. But then she goes on to state how great she is in very way. They were lost without her course, unpolished skills to guide them. Yeah right!!! I can see why he got sick of her shit.
Thanks for sharing Angie. Very interesting.
her life must have stopped the sec they got divorced!
People who remembers that much details 50 years later, usually have little to remember after the 'fact'.
well how hateful of you
David married her for immigration reasons only. He told her he wasn't in love with her.
Amazing story! Thank you!
Angie was a smart cookie, fair and loyal don’t think she received the respect and appreciation she deserved.