Ibn Taymiyya - The Father of Salafism?
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- In this video we talk about a scholar who represents the very opposite tendency compared to many other figures we have discussed on this channel. Ibn Taymiyya is a controversial thinker, but one that has had a major impact on the contemporary Islamic world.
Sources/Suggested Reading:
Abrahamov, Binyamin (1998). "Islamic Theology: Traditionalism and Rationalism. Edinburgh University Press.
El-Rouayheb, Khaled & Sabine Schmidtke (2019). "The Oxford Handbook of Islamic Theology". Oxford University Press.
Hoover, Jon (2019). "Ibn Taymiyya". In the Makers of the Muslim World Series. OneWorld.
Moustafa, Mohamed A. (2017). "Upholding God's Essence: Ibn Taymiyya on the Createdness of the Spirit". Journal for the History of Islamic Philosophy and Sciences. 3(2): 1-43.
Skeikh, Mustafa (2007). "Ibn Taymiyya, Analogy and the Attributes of God". Faculty of Theology, University of Oxford.
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Thank you so much Philip for all the amazing content that you post on your channel. I was looking for this video for so long. It came right on time. If you can do another one on Ibn Al Qayim Al Djawziya that would be awesome. Once again a million thanks :)
Thank you. I I truly appreciate your very informative topics in your videos!
Great video. Well balanced & insightful as always
Informative, objective and accurate illustration as usual. Thank you brother.
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@@wriimonmir it’s a little weird of you to tell this commenter to stop saying something when they’re not even saying that in the comment..
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This is a fascinating video that puts a lot of what we’re seeing today in its proper perspective. Thank you for this delightfully respectful, truthful, and entertaining video!
yes, we see muslims defending killing apostates largely based on ibn taimayya. what do you think of his fatwa of his calling for the killing the druze as apostates?
This truly is an outstanding work!
Very well done, highly objective and precise.
Hats Off to your devotion, good interpretation and presentation.
Much Respect!
What a great, balanced and informative video. Thank you so much. God bless you!!!
this video was really good. Congrats on the accurate information and comments.
This so informative and concise that does not compete for time...Thank you for sharing
Great video. We absolutely love a video on Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya
Thanks. Great as always. Please make a detailed video on how neoplatonism, gnosticism and sufism have influenced Ismailism. Would love to see your take on it.
Amazing video!. Would love to see a video on Ibn Al Qayyim the foremost student of Ibn Taymiyyah.
The distinguished students of Ibn Taymiyyah are many and they had a great influence in the Islamic library, some of them excelled in jurisprudence, interpretation of the Qur’an, doctrine, etc.
@@user-kj8yl6sn2z tell us some of theese other students other than ibn Qayyim
@@dom3073 ibn Rajab, Ad dhahabi, Ibn kathir
Islamic medicine, if there's any, covered by Ibnul Qoyyim Al Jauzi, this topic is good for future video
@@dom3073 there is ibn rajab a very known hanbali scholar which rulings are still followed till today by hanbali scholars, Al-dhahabi which work on hadith is used by everyone, and ibn kathir, which tafsir is the most well known and famous today, mohammad ibn abdul hadi al-maqdisi the writer of Al-mu7arrir in hadith, jamal al-deen al-muzzi the one who wrote tahtheeb al-kamal, A very known book in hadith, ibn mufli7 al-maqdisi, who also is known for his hanbali fiqh
Awesome work! Thank you!
Alhamdulillah!!! Here is yet another informative golden gem in my my way to the journey of Islam. Thanks a lot. It couldn't be much better!!!
May Allah keep you on the truth and being vigilant !
@@Bat7Yamhe doesn't interpret anything he just explains what other people/scholars have said...
Amazing work, thanks for your efforts this was an extremely well done and accurate put together video
Thank you for this video!
please enable auto generated subtitles. It will help those who dont speak English as first language.
Great video, please make more of these
Sacking? Mongols sacking Baghdad is quite putting lightly. They slaughtered at least a quarter million ppl like animals and raized the city to ground.
If they only sacked, seen some art and literature would have been saved.
Is there any archaeological proof of the quarter-million claim?
@@genekalutsky8813 They burned people like they burned books. Can't find proof if ppl turned to dust if thats what you are implying.
@@Roland_Deschain The burning of the books was invented in 14th century AFAIK. And modern estimates for victims of the sacking do not exceed 90 000
@@Roland_Deschain People don't burn up completely even in crematoria. The quarter-million victims claims are clearly exaggerated.
@@genekalutsky8813 Burning books have happened since ancient times from Greece to China
This Salafi moment reminds me a lot of the broader Protestant and Puritan Christian movements in the much later centuries that aimed to "purify" the dominant religion which was perceived to have strayed away it's origin both carrying a similar legacy in their respective realms of influence (but obviously with different overall timelines/trajectories). There is also some ideological similarity in his legal approach to what we would call Constitutional Originalism in the modern United States.
I was thinking the exact same thing. Protestantism and Salafism are essentially the same movement but one resulted in a very liberal culutre and the other a very conservative one
@@emZee1994 I disagree, both have resulted in varying degrees of progressivism and conservatism at different points in time. And ultimately while both are technically "radical" their goal is to conserve a form of religiosity that they perceive as true, pure, and original. Those two theological movements, although coming from a similar thought process, they have been impacted by different material cultures and histories which impacts how they are perceived by wider society and between societies.
Also - it seems to me - they both have a literalist approach when it comes to how they intrepret the religious texts.
@@SanFranFan30 Two parallel lines starting from different points will end at different points. This doesn't deny the parallel aspect (although I agree that this is oversimplification, unlike atoms, subjects involving humans cannot be put into mathematical formulas)
@@ChannelDefault spot on.
Another great teaching brother. Thoroughly enjoyed it.
This is alot of work you have done. Thanks
I'm a native Arabic Muslim and I've been researching Islamic literature for as far as i can remember, and to be honest, your coverage was far beyond my imagination and exposed me to some ideas i have never thought of. Great effort man really appreciate it 🙏
Well, I'm a native Arab ex-Muslim and this channel is my favorite in term of honest research, no BIAS in favor or against any mythology including Islam. Other CZcamsrs( atheists and theists) are subjective in their reporting .
I literally never heard about Ikhwan al-Safa or Al-Hachachin until I started following this amazing channel.
Doubt
@@farhatk6054 why you left islam? Is islam really not true or it is but we see it from radical pov
@@farhatk6054 why have you left Islam? I've never found a good reason for it
@@zaryabshah3268 @عمر
I left Islam znd religion over all simply because when you (really) dig into it, it does not make any sense, for Islam for instance, a lot of Quranic verses and stories of Muhamed spitting the moon, riding on a horse to the 7th sky where Allah exists ( I thought he were everywhere ?) and tons of stories that completely contradicts science and basic common sense.
One can not understand ibn taymiyya without understanding the situation of the middle east in his time.
The middle east today is very similar to his time, a divided post-caliphate muslim world.
This is why he's very popular
You're right
It is true, but his influence is more widespread due to Pan-Islamism and the lack of any substantial power in the region. Although divided, the Mamluk Sultanate was strong, defeating the Crusader and Ilkhanate armies North and West
He is very popular because he was invoked by wahhabi+saudi movement to overtake the rule of Hijaz from the Hashimites, and with enough oil money and the appearance of legitimacy of governing the two holiest cities in Islam you have the situation we have today.
@@ayyashC no, he was also as famous as now before the formation of Saudi Arabia
no it is not the same, today is different kind of worse and but not in every aspects in his time the abbasid caliphate was still existing in egypt as a religious leadership under the political power of mamelooks, but today , Britain and the european powers managed to extinguish the caliphate for good, and the west imposed its plans on the region and forbade any chance for the return of unified muslim state but in the same time there is more access to information and people are more free but not all free from the belief of myths and the lies of suffism
Impressive! Very brief but full of knowledge.
i'm really enjoying the change up to a different type of figure/history of a different ideological movement.
Wauv! Thank you. I'm not muslim, but I really enjoyed watching it, since I like to understand the problems with(in) islam in the world today. Thank you, once again! Keep more coming, please!!
The problem in islamic world is made by the west to steal oil from the desert .
It’s natural to have schematics in every religion.
Excellent, absolutely informative - very well done , as expected . Is there a chain of theologians which exists till 19 - 20 th century .
Thanks for this it is very enlightening!
Thank for the great work you done ❤
You should do Ibn Hanbal next!
What a good video!
Also when the letter 'b' comes after a 'n', the 'n' morphs into a 'm' sound- for ease of pronunciation.
E.g, Hanbali turns into Hambali.
Also in the Qur'an; 'min ba'di' morphs into ' mim ba'di', meaning..after...
This is false. This is only in tajweed of Quran and does not reflect outside of the quran so hanbali is correct
@@user-ux3wv3rz1d regardless, isn't it easier to say the 'm' sound though?
@@user-ux3wv3rz1d I'm not saying you have to, but just for ease
@@re_patel no because it would be changing his name. This a common mistake and I asked one of the students of knowledge studying hanbali fiqh in Medina he informed me that ita not correct in the Arabic language and that this is only from the tajweed rulings when reciting Quran.
@@user-ux3wv3rz1d ok
great and much needed video
Great video, it would've been nice to hear more about his refutation of deductive theology, bit nice summary ما شاء اللَّه!
God Bless Shiekhul Islam Ibn Taymiyyah
Excellent video, and a fair coverage IMO.
Since you spoke about Bi-La Kayf and Kalam, can you also make videos about Al-ash'ari, Athari, and Al-Maturadi, and the Islamic theology of absolute rationalism (late mu'tazilah)?
EDIT: Also hoping you explain to people tawil and tafwid.
Mut'azila are weirdos
@@bayern1445 just like the wobblers
@@r.a1301
What is your problem with
Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab رحمه الله ?
That should be left to Islamic theologians
those who lie about Allah?
Saw the whole video. Thank you!
thank you.. such a beautiful explanation..
Awesome, I suggest that you make a video about people who lived when Moghols attacked the Islamic countries.There are lots of people who had a great influence on Islamic world that lived in that century, people like Rumi or Ghazali or some of the most famous Iranian poets. I think it would be great if you analize their life through the context which they lived in.
There is no time in Islamic world that they have this number of famous people.
Ghazali has much to answer for
He already made a video on imam-al-ghazali..
Ghazali lived before the mongol invasion .
His influence in the Islamic world is gigantic compared to Ibn tahmiyah.
The reason why ibn tahmiyah didn't have a lot of influence during his time is because of imam ghazali.
Of course it would have been nice if they lived at the same time. Tahmiyah would have learned a thing or two about Islam through imam ghazali.
Not to say that ibn tahmiyah was less of a scholar. Afterall he was called Shaykh al-Islām.
@@vinlondon8904 hahahaha how ignorant of you comparing sheikh al Islam ibn taymiya to al Ghazali obviously Ibn taymiya is way beyond his league because unlike Ghazali ibn tamiya sticks to Quran and sunnah Ghazali didn’t that why in his last days it was very very hard for him to get out from doubts
@@ismailmounsif1109 shake Islam my ass, every one hate us because of him
So salafism rose during the Mongolian invasion and revived during the colonial invasion 🤔
its much deeper
Ibn Taymiyyah didn’t have much followers after his death
Salafism is a modern movement. He is simply a retroactive influence on it
@@thirdocean3784 Unfortunately, mostly women i've heard because of his stances on divorce, which was much more relax than conservative scholars, but Allah knows best.
Welp looks like we know what's coming due to western invasions...
Great effort and excellent presentation, thank you.
Thank you for the informative video.
It's always good to understand why people turn to violence and murder as a righteous cause because it's being done to them.
As a person who read a lot of ibn teymiyye's work a long time ago, this is a video i waited a lot
Feeling honoured to be the first one to comment! Love your channel Mr. Fillip. :)
Accidentally added the video to a few playlists even though it is technically not out yet!
Hope you liked it nonetheless! 🙂
@@LetsTalkReligion Always! :)
Excellent work thanks for this video
Although many Muslim with disagree with this man and many will agree with this personality. Thank you for the upload.
But is God happy?
Long-awaited episode! I did a presentation on Ibn Taymiyya and his understanding of Theodicy a couple of months ago. His actual life and teaching is certainly more nuanced than the popular caricature and whether you agree with his worldview or specific ideas or not, one has to admit his great importance as a Muslim theologian, maybe second only to Al-Ghazālī
Search Fakhr al-Din al-Razi, also a great theologian, the best imo because he had some kind of honesty that was rare in those times. Al-Razi basically came to the conclusion that the mind (or logic) can only go so far in understanding the world (and God), I think Ibn Taymiyya built on his achievements.
Also, I think Al-Ghazālī isn't the brightest of muslim theologians, he's just famous in western circles because William Lane Craig popularized him.
@@eladdad why do you think that Al-Ghazali is not the brightest in your opinion? If not him then who do you think is?
@@strangeair3917 I haven't seen any interesting ideas Al-Ghazali had to offer (in theology/philosophy), he was mostly traditional and I don't usually hear his name when listening to discussions about islamic philosophy.
I would pick Al-Razi as the best theologian I know of, he discusses philosophical issues in a skeptic way unlike any of his contemporaries.
Ibn Taymyya is also a genius, but I'm still trying to understand his world view.
@@eladdad Al-Ghazali was so influential in his time that he even indirect caused the Almohad dynasty to reise to power in the west.
@@claudiotavares9580 I'm not disputing his influence but his theological/philosophical output compared to Al-Razi or Ibn Taymyya
Brilliant! Thank you.
Bro this was really good one🙌
Thank you for bringing this information to us Philip it's clear that Ibn Taymiyya's ideology is still very influential and I think us understanding this will go one step towards a greater understanding of the issues it has led to and the fact that Islam, like all religions is no monolithic edifice, it contains just as much diversity of thought as all of humanity itself..
Ibn Tamiya is a cursed pig
@@husshuss2652 maybe you give him your good deeds and take his sins for your lies as hadith bankrupt says!
I think the word Monolithic in itself is deeply problematic and so subjective in this context that is becomes moot. Honestly, Islam is pretty monolithic when contrasted against other faiths. WHat I think is happening here is people outside of Islam watch this channel without a real-world sense of how nuanced Islam is beyond an academic discussion. By discussing these details it may seem more "non-monolithic " than it actually is. Monolithic is not always a negative. But depends on what we are discussing and from whose perspective. Still if you come to South Africa or Kenya or Ethiopia, a mosque is a mosque and the religion is pretty clear cut. Ramadan is Ramadan where ever you go.
@@husshuss2652 i‘m a Sufi. But i still love and respect THE GREAT ibn Taymiyyah, he was a great Scholar you have to respect
@@husshuss2652 Allah will punish you
Thank you so much for sharing this figure. Such a comprehensive video! Indeed, it is difficult to consider Ibn Taymiyya a Sufi, because usually academics categorise a Sufi into two schools, either "Tasawwuf Sunni" or "Tasawwuf Falsafi". However, Ibn Taymiyya himself in fact cannot be classified into these two schools of Sufism. Fazlur Rahman felt the need to make up a new typology to cover Ibn Taymiyya's Sufism style outside of Sunni Sufism and Falsafi Sufism. This typology is termed neo-Sufism by him. The views of Ibn Taymīyah and his loyal disciple, Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya, are then classified as neo-Sufism. These two classical figures are considered by him the pioneers of neo-Sufism; a Sufism school characterised by a great emphasis on moral motives and the application of the methods of remembrance and muraqabah to God.
In contrast to Rahman, several academics such as Mustafa Hilmi and 'Abd al-Qadir Mahmud categorise the position of Ibn Taymiyya's Sufism outside the typology of Sunni Sufism and Falsafi Sufism as well as neo-sufism, that is "Salafi Sufism" (al-Tasawwuf al-Salafi). This typology is considered in line with the model of Salafism of Ibn Taymiyya.
he is successful in uncovering the disgrace of sufism in many of his works. The name tasawwuf itself was considered heretical because not a product of the prophet and his companions or the tabiin. How could he be considered a Sufi if the name itself was rejected by him.
I think he just criticized the extreme sufis, despite many, but not all of them...
@@alturatsalturats9691 You shouldn't project the present onto the past. He was not anti-Sufi and I even read a 14th (iirc) century Islamic book about many Muslim Awliya' that referred to him as a Sufi. Most modern-day Sufis would agree with a lot of his critiques of popular sufism practiced by lay people. Let's not create divides where they don't exist.
@Qizilbash Salafiyah isn't a thing to begin with, the meaning of Salafiyah is the return to the pure islamic teaching of the Quran and prophet without whatever Sufi's scholars innovations
@Qizilbash @Qizilbash but it is a historical fact based on the hadith: "the best people are those living in my generation, and then those who will follow them, and then those who will follow the latter." Inevitably the name Salafiyah was literally not known but as a factual history it is not merely "a name".
Well done on the video mate!
Great explanation, your knowledge of Islam is very vast.
it seems to me that radical protestant ideas permeated islam in 18th century, and that the clerics at the time searched for some kind of person in the history of islam which held similar views to name it their predecessor. Ibn Taymiyya got that honor.
I think you are 100% correct
I'll mostly agree. I also think there is also some correlation between ibn Taymiyyah living in a post caliphate society and the fact that the salafi movement really took off after the abolition of the Ottoman (caliphate)
@@emZee1994 they are very different, protestants have their own bible... where as Quran is preserved, so Salafis are a true revival...
also liberals can be very strict look at marxism in a moral vacum balance it key!
It's the opposite, salafis are most peaceful and shias are the scorned ones. Turkey in early 1900s was plagued by cultural tasawuf which lead to secularism. Jordan wanted to keep Arabic and rebelled with uk backing, but Jordan lost to Saudis who united Arabia on 1920s.
Saudi formed in 1925 & to 1980 no terror except tel aviv, why? In 73 Saudis & Egypt beat tel aviv for sinai, cia backed iran in 79 to be israelis ally. Iran follow she'a fayruz 1st suicide kariji who knifed Umar then self. Saudi booted al queda, This inspired iran to be original jet bombers, & take in al queda, lie on iraq wmds and leave arms for isil to Aid Assads tyranny.
can u make a video about al-qarafi and his approach to the limitation of the state?
Peace from Germany
Great work I really loved your objective on this topic. Btw its really beautiful to see Muslim (at least sounds like:)) names between your patrons
Excellent! Thank you 🙏
The hanbali mazhab was actually not the strictest, Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal usually gave multiple rulings for issues because he believed in the leniency of Islam.
The strictest mazhab is generally considered to be Hanafi.
I think what he meant was strictest in its methodology brother, hope it helps
Do you have a source on him believing in the leniency of Islam?
Atharee creed basically. Strictly keeping in line with Qur'an and Sunnah and avoiding opinions in the absence of scriptural references.
Nope. the most lenient and has room for the thought and even sufism to express itself is the hanafi. It goes like this Hanafi>shafi'i>Maliki>Hanbali from most lenient to the most extreme
You have never studied fiqh to say this
a lot of people claim the aqeedah of Ibn Taymiyyah are the one's of the pious predecessors, even though its creed is not in line with the predecessors, as it emphasizes many ambiguous ayats of the Qur'an literally, whereas the default Athari position was a form of unreflective traditionalism, where you don't ask anything and leave the meaning to god. the Ash'ari and Maturidi do tafwidh, but they add up a meaning to find the hikma behind the ayat, while at the same time knowing that the true meaning is left to Allah. I really hope this makes people understand the difference.
nonetheless, great video, there are some errors in the "Bi la Kayf" of Ibn Taymiyyah, as he imposes the modality of mutashabihat ayats, but a lot of them are pretty descriptive.
I don't know what ibn taymiyyah wrote but atharis do not take make anthropomorphic interpretations.
@@ishxyzaak depends of what strand of athari we're talking about here, the true athari (which lives on through Ibn Qudamah) creed is the creed of the shahaba, which is not anthropomorphic at all, whereas those who follow the modern salafi creed and claim to be athari is unfortunately slightly anthropomorphic.
@@ishxyzaak from my experience they ("Salafis" in particular) generally hold an anthropomorphic stance, as they take mentions of the "face" or "hands" or such of God to be literal. So they say God has a face and hands and legs but unlike those of humans. Mainstream Sunnis (Ash'ari and Maturidi) have usually held these as descriptive metaphors.
I think the Ashaari creed has been shaped by politics in a way to serve as an official state relgion. There are many similarities between it and the Christian orthodoxy, from which the Ashaarism has borrowed the "Divine right" among many other political feature. That was not possible without some theological resemblance too. We know that al-Kalam (Ashaari theology system) is mainly inspired by the Christology which is based on Aristotle syllogism. In a time when Aristotle was veneered either by the Church or by the Muslim erudits as well,Ibn Taymiyyah compiled one of the earliest critique studies to Aristotle to prove Aristole was wrong, just to serve his endeavor to refute Ashaarism, which opened the path for later ones such as Francis Bacon and René Descartes against the Catholic Church.
@@HamzaBaqoushi Plato was way more influential between sunni erudits that Aristotle in the middle ages.
very thorough study, and informative program
Thanks again for sharing :) - Wonder if you been looking into Ertugrul with the hit show and be great to see what historic information can be found.
great neutral reporting on this great figure
What an amazing video!!!! U explain all these arguments in such simple terms and so non judgmentallyit amazing!!!! Just shows ur academic excellence.💖.
Well, when I explain things I would not act is if there is an "Islamic terrorism".
But 'Let's talk Religion" felt the need to repeat this narrative.
In my opinion it is normal that people defend themselves when attacked - also in Muslim lands.
"But we need to explain jihadist movements!" Yes, on one unimportant page and not in a negative way.
Very well analysed development of Ibnu Tammiya’s views.
👏 Congrats, great works....
What can my enemies do to me? My Paradise is in my heart; it goes with me wherever I am. If they kill me, it is martyrdom. If they exile me from my land, it is a vacation in the Path of Allah. If they imprison me, it is to allow me a private devotion with Allah.
Ibn Taymiyyah (rahimahullaah).
He was not a good person, he was full of hate and was looking for a ways to justify killing other human beings
and he said 'kill the druze'. what do you think of that?
17:25 Are you saying Ibn Taymiyya disagreed with the compilation of the Quran? You mentioned "to Ibn Taymiyya all forms [of innovation] are wrong" and then listed a few things that are regarded as generally positive innovations. If this is the case, where would we find the source of Ibn Taymiyya claiming bid'aa against the compilation of the Quran and other "positive innovations".
Salafism means who follows salaf, something a sahaba does is not considered as a bidah
Much appreciated effort
Very informative 👌🏻
Thank you for a great video. I do believe that many non Muslim scholars come to Ibn Taymiyyah with a tainted view because of biases against modern Islamic movements. Also a note that yusef al qardawi is still alive. The last quote indicated he died in 1926, that's probably his birth year. Thanks again for a great video.
ibn Taymiyya (rh) was awesome
He is a reckles man, see his wtiting its mesy
He was godfather of terrorists
Was mid mental breakdown and got video notification. All smiles now.
Hahaha thanks for doing this topic! the Muslim Oliver cromwell! I remember I requested it 😁
Very interesting channel you cover all aspects
Thank you, brother. Very interesting and informative video. It is puzzling to balance his rather Puritan attitude towards the interpretation of textual sources and personal ijtihad with his aggressive theology, that is closer to anthropomorphism than not.
I think this is why most of the Salafi schools now completely drop the kalam/theology arguments, and focus on the importance of worship and its detailed technicalities.
Actually i can argue three things that were said in this amazing video: 1. His "harsh" fatwa against alawits and duruz, it was not an unique fatwa of his own, and this fatwa had a political side in the context of thier negative role in the ongoing conficts that time, and this fatwa got very influent and popular because it came from such an important influent scholar/fighter and made him more popular. 2. His fatwa against mongols, again there was a historical and political context, when mongols invading the heart of the islamic empire and some of muslims were having second thoughts defending themselves against the invaders because some of them declared themselves muslims, so ibn teymiyye said that even if some of them believe in some islamic ideas and believes, they still should be fought back. 3. The views againt "taklid" that were mentioned in the video seems like the anti-taklid school in the 20th century, not ibn teymiyye's view himself, he always had been a hanbali scholar, but felt himself free to go beyond his hanbali school when he found it right, and had the courage to do it alot of times but in the frame of hanbali school, the nowadays school of salafis (or most of them) do not look to this that way, and some of them went too extreme in baning "taklid" completely
And i want to add something i believe in, ibn teymiyye's school influents a lot of movements nowadays (wahabis, salafis, isis, etc) but you can rarely find a scholar nowadays that follows ibn teymiyye's school from a to z, most of them are just following his theologic thoughts (regarding god's attributes). for example, he was totally against saint graves visiting, but when wahhabi movement started its war against sufi movements in hijaz area, ibn teymiyye's words was just used to justify the war, even if ibn teymiyye himself didnt mentioned a word about starting a war againt this graves! The same happend with al-qaida and takfir movements in general, i realy admire ibn teymiyye's work and message in his era, i believe he was a genius, and i realy get sad when i see movements using his name and writings to justify or support thier own thoughts and actions
Great points!
He should have mentioned the historical context for these fatwas instead of just making him out as some crazy secterian warmongeror. The alawis he takfired were people that used to attack the settlements of sunni Muslims, hence the harshness and permisibility to kill them.
@@muhammedmemduhoglu7854 isis came from al queda who the Saudis booted but cia 79 iran the original jet bombers took them in following shi'a st. fayruz who took Umar then his own life. view : *Saudi Arabian Foreign Minister Rips Apart The Raafidhi MaJEWsi Iranian Foreign Minister
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@@muhammedmemduhoglu7854 truth is ibn Abd. Wahab defended as the Sahabas didn't go to graves for prayer and hadiths said lower graves as high graves lead to polytheism and creation worship which is wrong.
Look at Nasir al Hanbali community pages on Saudi vs. Ottomon graves with hadith citations!
Wahdat al Wujud is from the Prophet AS directly from the Muwatta when he (SAWS) said "Do not curse time, for Allah is Time" (ktab al kalam, 3rd Hadith first page) Imam an Nawawi said its a metaphor to explain that Allah swt's Will is behind the unravelling of Time. Since Allah Will is behind everything, the statement "Allah is everything" holds the same weight as the Prophet AS statement that "Allah is time". So Wahdat al Wujud is from the Sunnah directly. What do you make of this argument? Maybe the peer pressure would be too much if you ended up agreeing lol but I still want to hear your thoughts about it
Absolutely great video. Keep up the good work🙂
Great informative and interesting video.
Great video!! But there is something I never understood why no one mention it when talking about ibn taymiyyah that his philosophy is fundamentally an islamization of stoicism while taking none of their ethics the issue of corporealism and anthromorphism also the issue of تسلسل الحوادث (tasalsul alhawādith) and some of his critique of aristotelian logic comes from stoic philosophy it’s barely mentioned I understand the puritanical nature of his teaching and his followers would be discouraging to mention this aspect of his philosophy but why it’s barely even by people that aren’t his followers and some time his critics is beyond me
if you want to see islam you must go to the prophet and what he said , and what the quran said !
these philosophers came later and with their own thinking they changed islam to suit themselves !! there is no need for this in islam as the religion was completed with muhammad !! no need for no philosophy my friend !
May Allah ta "ala guide the mushabbiyah nd mujasimah or destroy them all
Stoicism in its time was highly influenced by Judaism in the first place. Many aspects of Stoicism is in line with Abrahamic tradition because of this. Taymiyyah's similarities with Stoicism does not mean he was influenced by them. Islam in its core have already many similarities and Taymiyyah tried to bring them out to the light.
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أخي في الله إن كان كلامك في الدين نفسه فليس تعليقي عن الدين من حيث هو دين الله وإن كان الأمر في ابن تيمية رحمه الله فليس هو بالدين حتى ترد علي بمثل هذا وإنما الكلام عن تأثر ابن تيمية بأصحاب المظلة فإما أن تنفي أو تثبت فإن جهلت فالصمت أولى وأكمل فرمي المقال في غير مقامه عبث لا يراد وإن كنت ممن يقول أن ابن تيمية لم يتفلسف أصلًا فلم تقرأ له حرفًا أو أنك من الدليلية وامثالهم فهداك الله من تلك الضلالة
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Do you have sources about the jewish influence in stoicism? because I’m interested to read more
If what ibn taymiyyah said only a general similarity that would be probable and you can say that about his critique on aristotelian logic to come from another greek or islamic philosophies but when ibn taymiyyah denies exnihilo creation and the hadith: (كان الله ولم يكن شيء معه) wich could be translated to: (god existed without anything existing with him) that because he did believe in تسلسل الحوادث I don’t know what is the English translation for it but the meaning of it is that god creat the world from already existing matter that comes from a previous world and the matter in the new world would the source of the future world that doesn’t exist now it’s basically the stoic cyclic creation if god wasn’t part of the cycle of course this isn’t the only aspect of stoic philosophy that influenced ibn taymiyyah but it’s one that is ignored while it was one the justifications of his enemies against him for denying a hadith and what they saw as a heretical amplication of these philosophical positions (mostly corporialism and anthropomorphism of god but also anothers)
May Allah have mercy on him Aameen. Sheikhul Islam
do you agree with ibn taimayya that the druze should be killed as apostates?
@shahriar4706 yeah, so how do you square that with Islam supposedly being a tolerant religion? 'the religion of peace' and of course the oft quoted 2:256? I'm i correct to assume you equate someone leaving Islam with 'treason'?
what do you think of the verse fo the koran that says someone believed, then disbelieved and then believed again and so forth? did they always 'repent' in 3 days and therefore weren't killed?
@shahriar4706 إِنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ ثُمَّ كَفَرُوا۟ ثُمَّ ءَامَنُوا۟ ثُمَّ كَفَرُوا۟ ثُمَّ ٱزْدَادُوا۟ كُفْرًۭا لَّمْ يَكُنِ ٱللَّهُ لِيَغْفِرَ لَهُمْ وَلَا لِيَهْدِيَهُمْ سَبِيلًۢا ١٣٧
4:137 Indeed, those who believed then disbelieved, then believed and again disbelieved-˹only˺ increasing in disbelief-Allah will neither forgive them nor guide them to the ˹Right˺ Way.
-no mention of needing to kill them?
again, am i correct to assume you get your fiqh form the 84th book of bukhari and the quote of muhammad: 'whoever changes his [islamic] religion, kill him'?
What you want to say exactly
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@@user-on8jx3qr8wwe don't have an issue with Apostasy Law and I don't care to reconcile that with liberal Muslim delusions that Islam is PURELY PEACE AND TOLERANCE, if Islam was that way, that would be evil and blameworthy, we are also against other immoral ideologies, just as we are anti liberal, we are anti racists, we are anti communists, we are anti idolatry, we are anti Nazism, etc etc, each group has its own unique problems with us and sometimes has similar problems with us, but each group tends to have doubts and disgusts relative to their invented assumptions about what's right or wrong, if you want me to truly take your ideology as truthful then produce proof for your assumptions being truly descriptive of true morality, otherwise if you can't justify these basic beliefs, then why should i be deemed immoral by some fictitious invention guessing at what morality is?
That was so beautiful detailed version of Ibn e Temiyah
Wow your pronunciation of Arabic words is amazing
Hey,
i am a sociology student from germany who is mostly interested in islamic studies. I really love ur videos and they help me quiet a lot in my learning process.
Question: Do u have any recommendation for books that contain an insight into a the most important islamic thinkers (ibn rushd, ibn sina, ibn kahldun, taymiya etc)?
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I have read Ibn Taymiyya’s biography by Jon Hoover, which I highly recommend. It is an exploration mainly of one figure but he has become highly influential today in modern Salafism, even though he was a proto-Salafi, if that is even an appropriate term to describe him.
I have read Rene Guenon’s biography by Paul Chacornac, thinking it would explain his involvement with the Shadhili Tariqa which was influential amongst the Traditionalist intellectuals at the time, but it didn’t really so I don’t recommend that book.
I have read Al Ghazali Niche of Lights, its an esoteric commentary on Q24:35 of the Quran. Not sure how useful this would be for your studies and research.
I’m also reading a biography of Ibn ‘Abd al-Wahhab by Michae Crawford, but haven’t finished it so I can’t make any recommendations as of yet.
I have a few other books which I have yet to read like Transcendent God, Rational World: A Maturidi Theology by Ramon Harvey but I have yet to read it.
U will need first to watch this czcams.com/video/P03JqfAlAQc/video.html its in the blogging theology Channel of Paul which I recommand u to get a good look at it as a begining
Also
czcams.com/video/Jj95KeyBsiY/video.html
But of course u have first to read the Quran
@@mbarnabeus why would i need to read the qur'an when i want to learn for example about ibn rushd ?
@@MrMikkyn thx, i thought aboutgetting this but i also was looking for some kind of a collection where i have an overview about several islamic thinkers
With all due respect How do u want to have good islamic studies without reading the Quran? Its the primary n most important source of any real islamic study..besides.. salivation n understanding Why WE r here on earth is quite important for any human being.. thats Why I recommanded u reading first the Quran..u cant judge any thing or any writer about Islam before exploring The Quran. Thank u any way
Do video on imam ahmed rida khan and his research on Science astronomy and deen stuff you will get brilliant concept about him
Agreed
british agent. next.
@@watcanib3161 lol. But seriously, ARK is a figure that is very interesting - a figure whose works are disconnected from those who claim to follow him
An unbiased overview of Ibn Taymiyyah. Thank you.
He was seriously biased
@@Omer1996E.C 100%
Did anyone else get unsubscribed to this channel? I have around 300 subscriptions and this channel is like one of my top 5 favorites and never had I unsubscribed to it, yet I just had to subscribe again.
well it seems that all the killings in this area is based on his thoughts, the Quran itself and the prophet are a lot kinder when it comes to dealing with diversity. I suggest you make a special video about the result of his thoughts in society
thank you for your informative and beneficial videos , I would really like if you could make videos about the four primary school of sunni islam and represent the similarities and diffrences like comparsion to help us understanding them very well ,thank you!
you are asking a kafir to teach your your Deen?
by the way, are you even aware of the level and gravity of mistakes, misinformations and misinterpretions in his videos on anything related to Islam?
@@bana5819 where did she state that she's muslim? You attacked her based on an assumption.
May Allah guide you. You’re intelligent.
Omg I was thinking about what salafi is this past week, been meaning to look it up.
You are yet to know what it means to be a Salafi. You should keep looking though.
As a modern Salafi, I wanted to thank you for a fair and objective presentation about this topic - you were careful with your words and despite the very difficult subject matter, you really treated it like a completely unbiased documentary. That is truly hard to find nowadays; may Allah reward you.
You have goat beards. You follow the goat. Not God. Wild goatmen.
@@cowsmuggler1646 the Prophet sullalahu alaihi wasallam was a much better man than you, as was Jesus, as was Moses - you are nothing compared to them, yet you make fun of them, and only show your own stupidity and corruption. They all had beards, and if you do not then you are more like a woman than a man.
@@cowsmuggler1646 Why attack em, because he looks like a man? (Unlike you)
@@cowsmuggler1646 vegetable
That's because people are united on division
Great work! I think I can add one point:
Ibn Taymiyya's harsh fatwas on shia in general were motivated by politics, The mongol illkhanate accepted islam and favoured Shia ideology over sunni ideology, that meant Muslims in levant had to fight invading MUSLIM mongols. That made the notion to fight mongols back less popular,as they already had an overwhelming power in addition to their cruelty, and fact that mongols accepted islam made it even more complicated.
In fact Ibn taymiyya's most popular book( Minjah Al sunna Al nabawiyya) is a response to a book called ( Minhaj Al Karama fi Ithbat Al Imamah) written by Ibn Mutahhar Al Hilli who was the head of Shia scholars during his lifetime(first to be given the title Ayatollah), Ibn Al Mutahhar himself was a student of Nasir Aldin Al Tusi, A prominent Shia scholar, who was an advisor to the infamous Hulagu Khan.
It's accepted among Sunnis and Shia today that Ibn Al Mutahhar was the reason Mongol illkhanate officials favoured Shia doctrine over its Sunni counterpart.
So in my own personal opinion: Ibn Taymiyya viewed Shia as an enemy that was trying to undermine the Muslim world. He never viewed them as Muslims with different views.
Same goes to other Shia minorities: alawites and duruz: he accused (in his fatwa) these minorities of siding and aiding mongols and crusaders.
In short: Ibn Taymiyya and his critique of Shia and their beliefs were the result of Muslim-Mongol conflict
His critiques of shias is because of their beliefs which are totally against Quran
Another made up story by a shia 😂😂 just like all other stories of shias
@@zeeshanbhat6862This is what people don't want to accept and they bring all sorts of other reasons
Thank you sir.❤️
Thank you so much ❤️❤️❤️❤️,
رحم الله شيخ الإسلام ابن تيميه🦅🇸🇾
How can you say that?
He poisoned Islam, and the logical fallacies he committed are very easily refuted.
Plus, thanks to him, ISIS and all the terrorists use his ideas and carry out his fatwas, and people were killed and women were raped by this man’s ignorance.
He is a plague to the Muslim uma, and for a man who claimed that we should adhere to the prophet’s way, he inspired the complete opposite of what our prophet taught us.
Wake up man!
"Saying GOD has a hand but unlike our hands such and such..." is tashbiyh, the other side of the coin to tajsiym.
Ibn Taymiyya errors are twofold, in Fiq'h and in 'Aqiyda (ie he clearly delve into Kalaam something that Hanabila do not allow in their Asthaariyya creed). When the Shaykhul Islaam, Imaam Taqiyuddiyn As-Subkiy RHM said he learnt without a guide/teacher, it was in reference to his second errors, as he is held in high regards among the Hanabila, unfortunately, where he is ranked at the 3rd or 4th level in their scholarship ranking, again unfortunately.
The 2nd problem is where the real issue is. Since Hanabila can't really deal with his Kalaam without delving into Kalaam themselves, his Kalaam thus fall into the jurisdiction of the Ash'ariyya scholarship to deal with.
His final legacy is dividing Muslims whenever his name is mentioned.
His greatest legacy is that his name can never unify the Muslims and will forever split and tear apart any Muslim society where his name surfaces among them.
One can never escape their lifetime's handiwork.
The most accurate description of his legacy.. kudos
Ibn Taymiyyah رحمه الله will be greater than you will ever be
@@You.are.correct.however he is most probably burning in hell as we speak.
@@MohamadAlb Fear Allah you jahil! Who are you to say that to someone like Ibn Taymiyyah, you aren’t even worth one of his hairs on his beard!
@@You.are.correct.however LOL.
Thanks for proving me correct, mate.
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Thank you ❤👏🏾👏🏾
Interesting to me how the chickpea metaphor parallels the hazelnut in Julian of Norwich's Revelation of Divine Love.