Ludwig Bonham Drum Set Battle 2 - Vistalite vs. Legacy Mahogany
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- čas přidán 26. 12. 2021
- We're rounding out our Ludwig Bonham configuration review with Vistalite and Legacy Mahogany!
Buy the kits here:
Ludwig Vistalite 5pc Zep Drum Set Pink
Available for purchase here: buydru.ms/L8264LXPK
Ludwig Legacy Mahogany 4pc Bonham Drum Set - Green Sparkle
Available for purchase here: buydru.ms/legacymahoganynonham...
Snare drum:
Ludwig Supraphonic Snare Drum 14x6.5 - LM402
Available for purchase here: buydru.ms/LM402
Cymbals:
Paiste 2002 Big Beat Multi Cymbal 24"
Available for purchase here: buydru.ms/CY0001068524
Paiste 2002 Big Beat Multi Cymbal 20"
Available for purchase here: buydru.ms/CY0001068520
Paiste 2002 Big Beat Multi Cymbal 18"
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Paiste Formula 602 Sound Edge Hi Hat Cymbals 15"
Available for purchase here: buydru.ms/CY0001043115
Ludwig Speed King Bass Drum Pedal
Available for purchase here: buydru.ms/L203
Microphones used to capture the drums:
Bass Drum:
Audix D6 Dynamic Bass Drum Microphone - www.drumcenternh.com/audix-d6...
Audix A133 Large Diaphragm Condenser Microphone - www.drumcenternh.com/audix-a1...
Snare Drum:
Audix i5 Dynamic Microphone - www.drumcenternh.com/audix-i5...
Audix ADX51 Condenser Microphone - www.drumcenternh.com/audix-ad...
Toms:
Earthworks DM20 Small-diaphragm Condenser Drum Microphone - www.drumcenternh.com/earthwor...
Overheads:
Earthworks SR25 Small-diaphragm Condenser Instrument Microphone - www.drumcenternh.com/earthwor...
Room Mics:
Earthworks QTC30 Small-diaphragm Condenser Microphone - www.drumcenternh.com/earthwor...
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There's a reason why Bonzo never recorded with the Vistalites. The warmth of the wood is just so amazing. Live is a different story. The pop coming off of the Vistalites was an easy choice when trying to cut through Page, Jones, the PA, etc... Both sound amazing!
That's the first thing I picked up when they started playing the Mahogany drums; darker and warmer than the Vistalites.
Both drums sound great, though.
You sir are 100 percent....CORRECT! I owned many vistalite kits over my lifetime. In my younger days in the early 80s I played in a Zep tribute when digging up amber in those sizes was damn near impossible, but I had em. But live yes, the vistalites could cut through ANYTHING and had a projection that was all their own. I continued to play them into my original bands but changed over to pinstripes in order to warm them up enough to both record with and play live with. It worked out excellently.
Exactly right
Vistas for me🤙
That doesn't mean you can't record with Vistas, they are perfect for studio
As Mr. Ian Paice eloquently said regarding the 26” bass drum “The difference in sound is.. severe.”
I love my 26”x14” Pearl. Tough to go back.
I love how the edges glow through the clear head on the pink kit. Speaking of edges, they're so nice and consistent on these newer ones compared to 70s vistas.
Paiste and Ludwig! What a combo! LIGHTNING and THUNDER!!
Absofuckinlutely 🤘🤘
Oddly enough, when Paiste decided to enter the US market in the 1960's, they setup a temporary partnership with Ludwig and used their chain of dealerships to get a foot hold in that market. Once they got themselves setup, they ended the partnership and have been here ever since.
Years later, GMS drums did a similar move by partnering with Paiste and using their dealership network to establish themselves nationwide.
I have my Acrylic Zep set in my dental office and I can play it on the weekend so as not to disturb the others in the building. The new remo/ludwig silver dot heads sound amazing. Way better than the original ludwig silver dots. A real joy to play especially while throwing on some headphones and putting on some Iron Maiden to play along to!
Both sound like cannons! Nice 👍 Thanks for sharing
I actually thought the acrylics sounded outstanding!? 🔥
I was thinking, "oh wow, he's playing a Speed King, wonder if they are any better now?", then your sales edit came up. Guess that answers that question! LOL, I enjoyed the video and I don't think you could go wrong with either kit.
As an owner of the Pink Vistalite ZepSet... I can't ever imagine touching my wood kit at home again. It's WAY too much fun to play.
Every single piece of kit here sounds amazing
Especially the Paiste Big Beats
and Shane was shredding today 👍
Man, that snare is the be all, end all for a classic rock drum set. You guys made that snare sing. Great sound.
The sales edit was fantastic!! Your videos are awesome!
Thanks so much!!
IF I could combine both of those sounds from those Ludwigs.... I love the resonance of the Vista's and how they just 'sing' but the tone of the Mahagony's is undeniable.
Both kits sound amazing in their own way. Thanks for the comparison. I am in love with the Paiste Big Beat series. Definitely my next set of cymbals.
Love my 1965 Rogers kit, maple shells, champagne sparkle 👍
Great playing, gentlemen. By a hair, the Mahogany did it for me. They're different tools, and we should always use the right tool for the job
Besides these drums being masterfully made and mixed the drummers played these kits perfectly. Amazing job.
Thanks for the kind words!
Bonham's most favorite sounding drum kit was his green sparkle maple kit. He used the green sparkle maple kit on tour from 1970-1972 AND for all studio recordings from 1970-1980. He also loved/preferred Remo Emperor coated heads that he used on this kit.
Not for all studio recordings, In through the out door was recorded on his stainless kit, there are studio pics with this kit set up.
Absolutely nailed the mix, Tony. The Mahogany did it for me
Why thank you sir!!
I did like the Mahogany sound more as well
Mahogany with the low tuning FTW. Rolling analog thunder.
@@edwardx.winston5744 Even on the "higher tuning" the Legacy Mahogany's sound is so big and deep. especially the kick drum. You just can't tune the "thunder" and "rumble" out of them! I LOVE my Classic Maple toms, but Legacy Mahogany kick drums are really, really special!
Shane!!!... you kicked the crap out f those Vistalites. Nice playing, man! You could tell that you were inspired by them.
The Speed King is an excellent pedal if you dial it in correctly which CAN be a bit of a chore but once you have your own sweet spot picked out its amazing. I played in bare feet for many years because I liked to feel the kit on a tactile level and I loved feeling that under my foot and I could even grab its edges with my toes and really have some fun with it.
Love them both, but the green sparkle kit is my favourite!
I purchased a used amber set of V-lites from Belisle's in Manchester in the late 80's. 13, 14, 16, 18, 24 with a 5" amber snare. They were big sounding especially when I put Black Pinstripes on the toms. It still had the original Ludwig single ply reso heads. I eventually made some deals and ended up with a blue set which I still have. The snare is my main snare to this day. i was given an incomplete 10x14 Ludwig marching snare from the 20' or 30's. I updated the hardware and have used that also. I call it my big 10 inch. There are old videos of both sets on my personal channel.
Regarding your comment on having to fight the speed king - I`ve noticed you bury the beater. The double compression spring featured in that pedal promotes pulling the beater off the head. I play this way and I find that this pedal really makes my job easier, compared to something focused on a heavy forward action liek a DW or something. That's probably why you didn't find it very suiting for your play style.
Great video as always guys, have a great new year!
love them both........the legacy mahogany kick with the vistalite toms would be very interesting.......always enjoy your videos.......happy new year to you all
Excellent! Can’t wait for the Ludwig Bonham Drum Set Battle # 3 -Stainless steel vs Vistalite
I wish I would just once in my life need a kit like this with gigantic shells like these. I saw Jason Bonham tonight for the third time and that 26” acrylic kick knocked my soul out of my body a few times. Just once, I wish I could play a set of drums like this. At 47, my 10-12-14-20 set is easy and lightweight but I love the thunder of big drums like these.
Both kits sound just crazy great. When I see these sizes though, I want that Vista sound and I want to hear them tuned up like Bonzo liked them. I’m totally biased! When I hear a 26 tuned up high it just has a thing in the mids my ears love. Shane, you played a couple new licks I hadn’t heard from you before! Bravo! And Barrett, man, you play really well and the standout thing for me is your youthful exuberance for the drums! I love it! Hang onto that my man!
Happy Holidays fine drumming people of DCP and thanks for a great year!
I really appreciate your honesty regarding what you don't love about the gear you play. Also, I've been watching your videos for well over five years now, I think--I'm not sure I've missed one in all that time--and I think this was Shane's best playing ever. Maybe having to fight your kick pedal a tiny bit can be a good thing? :)
VISTA’S all day!!! We drummers all probably have several different kits, in several different sizes, in several different woods, for several different eras of our lives…BUT, how many of us have a set of Bonham Sized, Bonham Influenced Vista’s in either vintage, or reproduced original Luddy’s?!? So, once again, I cry VISTA’S ALL DAY!!!
Also on the video…thanks for being honest about the Speed King Pedal. And I’d like to add…Is it only me or does anybody else, when they sit behind a 26,14,16,18 One up, Two down configuration, automatically play the Hell out of triplet beats?! Hahaha
Bought a big beat last week. So excited for it to get here!
I actually laughed out loud with the speed king bit! Thank you!!!! You're a blessing for nerds like me
Nice!! Enjoyed this setup awesome kits thanks
World class as always! Thanks guys. 🥁👍
I have played Ludwig exclusively since probably '84. I got a 1973 black 3-ply kit with '70s Zildjian's when I was 13 when my school dropped the band funding. All the instruments just got given away or sold. Used it for a few years and got the new 6ply classics for the increased volume in unmiked settings. Finally got my dream set in clear maple 3-ply from 72 or 73. Sizes are14x26, 10x14, 12×15, 16x16, 18×16, 20×18. 6.5x14 Supraphonic, 5x14 Tequila sunrise vistalite, and many 1970's 2002 all black label cymbals. 14"/15" SE 2002 hats, 20"/24" ride, 16"(3), 18"(3)20"(6)22"(1) crashes. I love the round full tone of the 3ply drums. The cymbals all sound like fine lead crystal glass shattering. I love Ludwig 3ply and Paiste cymbals.
Your comment on the speed king pedals had me rolling in pain, I laughed SO HARD. I agree, the speedking is hands down the worst pedal I ever used. I use Yamaha Flying Dragon double direct drive and Tama double Iron Cobra chain drives. The Flying Dragons are such an awesome feeling direct drive pedal.....completely opposite the Speedking.
Loved my 26" Ludwig bass drum for jamming with loud guitarist and bassists. Great live. Too bad I was ripped off. Still really miss thaat kit. Only drawback was when recording them. When recording I'm back to a 22". I just bought a 26" vista. Still saving up for the rest of the kit. Want it for playing live. Cymbals are a toss cup between Paiste and Istanbul. Play and love them both. Lost two Istanbul crashes and a ride in the theft. I hate thieves. I heard that thieves get fingers or hands lopped off when caught stealing. Kind of makes it hard to play when you don't have any fingers or hands you lops.
Both kits are amazing, but I kinda favour the more open, booming tones of the acrylics…
The Vistalites sound great. Love the tuning.
Wow, that really makes me miss my Ludwig vistalites I had when I was a kid. I can't imagine owning such huge drums again, and I thought they sounded so.... unrefined at the time. The neighbors so hated them.
I love my Speed King pedal and was thrilled to get a new reissue. I still have an original that needs some work. Perhaps it's what you're used to playing, but after decades of not having one and then getting a new one it felt immediately comfortable.
They Both sound great to me!Thanks for the video.
I stumbled upon Vistalites recently, I am really happy with the warm punch and feedback. Theres just a little more liveliness to them
I play metal on a vistalite set, and yes I was able to tune it to suit the music. It’s so drastic that it makes a unique sound I’ve never heard before
Awesome!! Both drum kits , express each one their signature sound with accuracy, and demand to the drummer, the energy that the kits themselves expect from player. By the way, the store staff did perform in the manner mentioned above. Play hard, take away all the sound potential from every kit, having fun and the pleasure to sit behind this historic and powerful set up. My fav one..... for shake the audence bones, the Vista. The supraphonic 6/5" x 14", was made for to be performed in this configuration, as well. God Bless Ludwig, an american percussion jewl. I`m a Premier drum kit player, but, there`s no way to ignore the Ludwig product, killer in any way.
Another fantastic demo. I love your Squeak King joke. I had one about 40 years ago. I’ve played a TAMA Speed Cobra for over 10 years and I’m constantly dazzled by its power and agility.
I've been using the Tama Iron Cobra rolling glide double pedal for about 24 years. Love it. Just bought a Tama Speed Cobra 910 double pedal. Wow, for being smooth, fast, and punchy. Here's the kicker though, I started playing drums when I was 9. My 1st pedal was a Ludwig Speed King. I learned the heel toe on that pedal for fast doubles. If not for that speed king, I don't think I would be as fast as I am today. It really helped me with strength and control. Now I do it on my Speed Cobra more efficiently and less effort!
Legacy shells are crazy awesome…
Higher tuned Vistalite sounds so special, so clear, full, it's amazing.
Yay barret! You guys always seem to pull him in whenever there's big kits. Great player.
Our resident old school rocker 🤘🤘
Both kits sounded great but I prefer the mahogany kit.
I think this is one of those where the sonic qualities and differences come very well across.
I love the look of the Vistas and the sound of the mahogany kit! Also.... I truly appreciate your honesty on the SPEED KING! 😂🤣 it was the first pedal I owned back in 79 ( I "borrowed" it from the school band room) my freshman year and right before Bonham died.WOW.... Time flies!!¡!✌️👍
The Legacy Mahogany in the higher tuning was maybe the BEST SOUNDING drumset I've heard in one of your comparisons EVER! And Barrett's playing was perfect. Also perfect was Shane's accurate opinion about the Speed King pedal - I've been playing drums for 60 years and have NEVER found the SK to my liking. Way to end 2021 with a killer video, guys!!!
I loved the speed king comment. Lol
They aren't for everyone, but I cut my teeth on one as a lad. Was durable as heck.
Thank you, great video. Both sound amazing
Glad you enjoyed it!
Bonham is about sound, that's why I'm a big fan of him. Because sound is easly recognized by our common ear.
Bonham used 15" 602 sound edges all the way through Houses of the Holy, so they are appropriate for the this video!
The "big 26'?" That's what she said. Seriously though, those Vistalites tuned high sound KILLER! Hell, that's probably why JB tuned them that way.
Bonzo Tuned ALL Of His Kits High.
I love them both but I’d have to go with the Legacy Mahogany. The sound and look are fantastic!
I had a semi-Pro Ludwig 3 piece (22" Bass 12" & 14" Tom's ) with Acrolite Snare , the Bass & Toms were Cherry / Gumwood and sounded amazing, like the 60's Sound and was amazing for a Semi-Pro Kit.
As an owner of a nice set of 1965 BDP Super Classics, it's Legacy Mahogany all the way! I love the sound of those monsters. I sure wish they made 24 and 26 bass drums for these back in the 60s. That's about all I need to add to this kit as an option. :)
Those mahogany shells sound KILLER.
LETS GO! Never a disappointment around these parts 💯 Beautiful kits & flawless production as always!
-Indiana Love! 🥁
Thank you!!
@@drumcenternh what stand are you using to mount the Tom? I have a 24” kit and the snare stand I use for my 13” Tom doesn’t get me high enough!!!
Sparkling green. Still my favorite sparkle finish..
haha... I subscribed just because this video was great, an the awesome "Speedking" pedal endorsment at the end! BIG SMILE!... Ive never played with a direct drive pedal before... But I want to try a speedking
Would love to see a video on how you've tuned these big drums!
Great video, great sound, great playing! Legacy Mahogany for me!
Thanks and great choice!
LMAO! My first kick pedal was a Speed King, I did not miss it moving on to Tama hardware. Great video as always!
Peeping the Glyn Johns set up as well. Good call!
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I really want a legacy kit! Right up to the point where I realize I have to carry it to gigs!!!🤣
Back in the 60s when I was playing they had a nickname for the speed king pedal, it was known as the squeak King. I hope they’ve corrected that issue. Personally I like the atlas model bass drum pedals.
Today I use the DW 9002 with my Ludwig drums from the 80’s. 🥁
I had to use a leather-strap-equipped Slinger/Leedy Tempo King pedal back in the 1960s and always lusted for a Speed King (it was "The King" back in those days). The Tempo King was pretty much a "slow-joe" and low-power pedal compared to the Speed King (though I used to bruise the top of my foot with the beater whenever I got the chance to use a Speed King). Now I use a Ludwig Atlas Pro single-pedal (sorry...don't have the talent to use a double-pedal) and keep a DW 5000 Delta 3 Accelerator as a back-up (I have a right-ankle issue that the Atlas Pro helps to overcome). The Atlas Pro is a really good pedal...at least for me.
Great video. I’d love to see the Legacy Mahogany compared side by side against the Classic Maple in the Bonzo configuration.
Completely Agree!
Another excellent video with equally excellent drumming. As a drummer who lives a short drive from where Bonzo is laid to rest and have been at a bar with Robert in my local I thought this was great. I purchased a Gretsch USA Custom progressive jazz in response to one of your videos. There is nothing like USA maple drums: be they Ludwig, DW or Gretsch.
@@77thbrigadesockpuppetaccou50 haha. Yes true. 😀👍
I liked the acrylic bass drum but the mahogany toms. Tough choice.
You guys have an awesome sense of humor... Speed King... I don't know if I would like one or not. I have only played Tama Bass drum pedals. But, yer a funny dude! Hahaha!
I enjoy the videos because of the drums, but they always got my click to like button because of the humor and the edition hahaha what a great videos
Glad you like them!
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And, “The Best Drum Store” !
Another Killer Episode Guys !!
Congratulations !! 🥁✌️❤️
They Both Sound Amazing!
I love my Pearl Crystal Beats I purchased from You…
I just purchased a set DW Acrylics in Sea Glass color and Absolutely Love them !
My brother own a set of Vistalites and loved them !
Maybe they will be my next Purchase 😊 #7
Hey Guys, how about a comparison with the different Acrylic Drum Co. Comparison episode !!?
I have a 1978 blue vista lite 9 piece with the same supraphonic snare a kit that’s 43 years old and I must say the 2021 version sound great any idea what my 1978 kit would be worth I would say they are in excellent condition, thanks for the great videos !!
Really cool drums! Loved them. The part about the Speedking pedal....Cracked me up. Shane may not love them. :]
I have wanted the Bonham Amber set of vistalites my whole life. One day I will have them but I want the green sparkle legacy maple set too. So hard to make up my mine which will be first
love that ludwig sound,bonham, ringo,alex vh
Good Bonham style playing, the bass is 🧨 explosive 🧨
Thank you and yeah it is!
I understand what he meant when he said there’s a sense of the air in the room moving with big kits. Have a near bonham sized kit and it just doesn’t work in smaller rooms, but in a large room the kicks like a cannon.
Nothing wrong with the Speed King. I still use one. I bought the reissue pedal and love it. Both kits sounded amazing, but I really like the Legacy Mahogany!
I love the new Speed KIng's its amazing (Genius) how it works and it design is 85 years old which amazes me, (so much of Ludwig components , hardware & Drums will always be in style). it does have a different feel, the action is so direct
the maple set sounds soooo great
I’m an acrylic guy ever since I got my dw sea glass. They sound even better with G2 or Emperors on the batter heads. I can imagine going back to wood, but if I do these legacy’s have a great full sound.
I much prefer the drier sound of the mahogany shells here.
Hi Gentlemen, as usual your "battle of the drum sets" is brilliant (I watched the first episode too). All these kits are beautifully played, miced (or "miked" ?), mixed and filmed by your team. I am more of "Gretsch guy" but these Ludwigs sound absolutely fantastic. I am of course a Bonzo fan. Keep up the good job. Cheers !!!
Thank you!
Both kits sound as they should,in accordance with the reputation .Still,the acrylic kit has a bigger volume which is to be expected,but they both shake the damn room they re in.Good job,guys.
Awesome color, that hot pink.
as for me... mahogany tuned low....awesome playing, awesome sound!
I have a Black sparkle Ludwig backbeat 7pcs two bass drums. Green P3 colortone resos and ebony ambassador beaters🤘
My FAVORITE!!! 🤩
Interesting A/B session.
He always used his green sparkle 26, 14, 16, 18 in the studio and 40-strand Gretsch snare units on his Supras.
(I know, who didn’t know this stuff?) “The Song Remains The Same” movie does give a good taste of his mic’ed up Vistalites.
I have a ‘74 kit in that config and it’s a weapon. 26’s have spoiled me forever.
My only complaint about this vid (maybe more like whining(?) is the rack toms on snare stands. Other than the old 80’s Premier Trilok, a snare stand will choke the rack tom. (At least I don’t personally know of any other ones that don’t.)
Nice playing!, btw.
Nothing fills a room with sound like acrylic shell drums..loud, punchy. And they simply look cool. Always wanted a Ludwig Vistalite kit picked up a 1976 vintage original series Ludwig Vistalite kit in clear blue a couple of years ago. Really like them I found head selection is important I have Evans Level 360 EC2 clear heads on both the batter and resonant sides of the toms and bass and that works well. Unfortunately the 9 x 13 rack tom developed the dreaded shell crack that plagued the original series Vistalite drums it still plays fine I hope Ludwig solved that problem with the reissue Vistalite series.
I liked the Mahogany when tuned high and the Vistalite when it was tuned low.
I think those Big Beats were the star of this vid!!!
Can you guys demo 18 and 19 inch crash rides of the dream bliss and contract series over at the cymbal vault?
That you for being real/honest about gear that really just sucks, lol. I appreciate the notion--even if they are classic items.