Crime Scene DNA Reveals Twin’s True Identity | Law & Order SVU
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- After a gang banger is found dead, accusations fall upon a young boy. That is until they discover that the boy has a twin... yet the crime scene DNA points towards a male.
Season 6, Episode 12 'Identity': Complications ensue in the investigation of a gangbanger who fell off a building after the victim that he tried to rape bit him in self-defense. When Detectives Benson and Stabler are sure that they have found the victim (Reiley McClendon), his twin sister (Reiley McClendon) admits to biting the gangbanger even though the bite came from someone who was chromosomally male. The twins are shocked at the revelation that their parents (John Bolger and Hillary Bailey Smith) tried to raise one of them as a girl after a botched circumcision. Investigation reveals more regarding the ulterior motive of a doctor (Peter Firth) to prove that nurture supersedes nature.
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Their doctor was freaking sick. Sad that other doctor who told the truth to the mutilated twin had to lose her license and job for doing what the parents weren't brave enough to do: tell the truth. This is up there with the one of the craziest episodes of SVU.
And it is actually based on a real life case of a doctor who did this for the same reason.
This is based on John Money.
It happens a lot. Circumcisions go wrong and that's the messed up solution they use and intersex people are often mutilated at birth. Trans people routinely push for it be be banned because they understand how much being forced to live as another gender can harm a child, which is why I find it incredibly ironic that right wingers accuse them of pushing this onto kids.
It’s based on the Rymer twins and John Money when he was pushing gender dilution
Based on a true story
If I remember correctly, the doctor who was advising the police not to tell Lindsay/Luke that he was born a boy at birth was also doing some extremely horrible things to the twins in therapy in the name of "teaching Lindsay how to be a girl." I wasn't sad to see him dead and with no way to charge his murderer.
Too bad the real doctor (John Money) got away with it in real life. The real twins ended up committing suicide.
Money not only got away with it, many misguided 🤡 see that monster as the Messiah of trans S-uality. All built on the bones of those two little boys. I'm not even blaming the parents. They were in an unfathomable situation and looked for help and guidance. You tend to trust doctors. They trusted the wrong one.
@@koppsr care to elaborate on what you mean by that? money founded the idea that gender identity is environmental, not biological, actual trans people and their doctors know it's a part of who we are from the moment we're born. if money is the "messiah" of anyone it's the nutjobs who think liberals are "transing" kids or that "rapid onset gender dysphoria" is a thing.
@@koppsr Hi, Trans person here! We all think Money was a horrible monster who's research was unethical and useless. We existed before Money's studies, and we'll exist long after he fades from memory.
i hope you also agree children should not be involved/taught these things at a young age because of the mental health statistics of substance abuse and or self harm@@KomoliRihyoh
This case is based on David (Bruce) Reimer and his twin Brian. After a botched circumcisions David (Bruce) was raised as a girl, both ended up taking their own lives.
Both of them did
@@Sniperboy5551 Sorry
Both of them? I remember hearing it on the news, when David took his life. I didn’t realise his brother did, too. So unbelievably tragic. 😔
So sad that David did at 38. Just saw a video and it looked he was doing so well after finding out he was a boy. Got married and all, but looks like life took a toll on him at the end. Such a sad story
@@fafster6439I think its the scars of your family lying to you for years, struggling with faith(he always felt conflicted because he liked females while he was told he was a Female) on top of the sensationalism of the media/extra attention over something so tragic. Has to make you feel so alone.
That child actor did a really great job.
Riley McClendon I think. He was in a couple of pretty good Disney Channel Original Movies back in the day.
And to think a pointless procedure to soothe the parents ego caused all this.
Child abuse as far as I'm concerned.
Agreed. No one should be chopping healthy body parts off children.
So sad that this is still happening today.
Transgenderism never ends well.
@@estherross1 not really.....
One of the craziest twists in all of the show’s history. Crazy to me that everyone was so hush hush about this even when the kid admitted to being there!
This episode is most profound reminder of how delicate the subject matter in the Law & Order universe can often be.
It’s even crazier this is based on a true story/case about the Reimer twins. The poor boys went through so much especially David who was the one forced to be a girl.
The episode called Families is the other one. And both episodes involved the family keeping a secret from someone.
@@anastasia-rv5si david has passed away now. The depression got too much.
@@mikebasil4832 yeah, just look at how they covered transgender people before the subject became so toxic on social media!
law and order often treats these subjects delicately and with respect, but sometimes watching them do it so long ago makes me wonder how the climate on some of these subjects shifted so much.
Just to focus on transgender people for a second, it is amazing how despite most people supporting transgender people using spaces that match their gender identity, we still have so many bigots who will dehumanize them and use false tropes to justify their intolerance to the idea. It is shameful when you consider how SVU acted as a reminder that they are all just people at the end of the day, and yet you cannot go one day without seeing some bigot rant about how all transgender people are either fetishists or sexual predators. I hope the onslaught of anti-LGBT+ legislation ends ASAP!
The scary thing is there was a case just like this in Missouri, except it wasn't murder. A woman was impregnated by one of two identical twins she was having sexual relations with at the same time. So the question was, who's my daddy, and who is my uncle? Since the DNA is identical, there was no way to determine responsibility for child support. The state decided to charge them both child support! 😂😅
Wow 😮
LMFAO THATS SO AWFUL BUT HILARIOUS 🤧🤣
That’s a pretty reasonable middle ground considering the facts of the case. If I had a twin, I wouldn’t want him being my “eskimo brother.” Weird.
There was a case even more similar where one twin boy was raised as a girl.
@@peter_pansexual6243if you're talking about the Dr. Munny case. I'm pretty sure that's the inspiration for this episode
This was based on a real story. The boy forgave his mom but took himself out. It was such a hard life
Its the dr.munny story. Both kids offed themselves.
@@lindinle John Money, one of history's worst monsters.
@@michaelnoble2432 And he was a leader in bringing forth the current ideological cult that was spawned using his "success" as proof.
@@imopman Not even remotely true because “gender ideology” predated John Money, and trans people were actually one of the earliest targets of the Nazi regime.
@@imopman John Money's views are directly contradicted by the current understanding of Trans Identities.
He believed Gender Identity was Malleable..
(Which is the idea behind ROGD/Social Contagion or that it's how you Raise your Kids.. "Nurture not Nature")
Trans people and the Doctors and Scientists who support them... believe it's innate and immutable from Birth (technically it's during development in the Womb, which makes it "Nature not Nurture").
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It's funny you're repeating this Myth that John Money has anything to do with Trans people.. when he was particularly obsessed with trying to change Trans people's Gender Identity.. and when he failed, he said Transgender People had an Idée fixe.. which was his excuse for why his theory of "Gender Identity being Malleable" failed on Trans people (it failed on David Reimer too.. but he was still claiming he was successful in that case).
This doctor is sick!!!🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
And based on a real doctor (John Money) who was much, MUCH worse.
Man deciding someone's gender before they can even think for themselves is kinda fucked up
That’s what Dr. John Money did. He was evil, but he’s respected by the LGBTQ community.
@@Sniperboy5551I was wondering what their take would be on this given that his experiment flopped
It’s giving Mocklan energy from the show the orville
@fafster6439 I guess my original comment got deleted. This episode was from back when people still had common sense.
Yeah, kinda like it's a lot more complicated than that. That's why we also have people who are intersex.
This child actor fucking KILLED it in this episode!
It's the same actor in a dual role. Riley McClendon I think. He was in a couple of great Disney Channel Original Movies back in the day.
This was the case that has stuck most with me. Law and Order SVU was really famous for the plot twists late in the episode. This also aired in mid 2000's, so our society was wholly different back then.
You know looking at this also makes you really worry about Jazz Jennings. She was at a very young age when she transistioned, but still.
@@omarcogle1965 it would only make you worry if you took this episode as your entire understanding of gender identity. this episode was based on a real life case of a cisgender boy who was transitioned without his consent. the only reason you'd have to worry about jazz jennings or any other trans kid is if they were being forced to live as a cisgender child.
@@dietotaku I know about David's story, and it's very sad.
@@dietotakuforced or not, all these kids regret making those ‘’changes’’
@@renaldsunset Hi, trans person since childhood here! You don't speak for us.
As an identical twin, this episode's storywriting was lit.
And all that because of a circumcision that wasn't necessary in the first place...
Its gross not to have it done.
@@FlixCreEightRWhy do you need to be circumcised
Funny how performing circumcisions on a male babies is okay, but doing it to female teens or doing s3x reassignment surgery on a child (which isn't allowed) is very bad.
It's not gross to not be circumcised you complete wet wipe. What is gross is mutilating a baby. Most of the world doesn't bother with it, unless for religious reasons (although it's still wrong in those cases.) The reason it's so widespread in the USA is some religious loon thought that it (incorrectly) would stop boys playing with themselves.
@@FlixCreEightRyour fucked in the head
This is the boy called Brenda story. The experiment of an NZ doctor called Dr. John Money, when that exact same accident happened to a David Reimers.
I remember this episode. I feel so sorry for the poor child.
It’s now happening all over America with consent of the government and judiciary system. AND they’re forcing people to feed into the delusion of the sick person
The altered twin would eventually become sexually active and probably be attracted to girls, causing a whole different set of problems with her ignorant parents. We are who we are, and as Luke said, "I always knew something wasn't right." That twin didn't _feel_ like she was a girl, because she wasn't.
The Doctor and Parents should’ve been arrested
Exactly ! Like wtf
I wish me and my brother had a secret language as kids all the time people thought we were twins but my brother is 1 year older then me
I mean what exactly do you charge them with?
@@Avatarconner Fraud? Abuse?
I don't think the parents deserve to be punished. They trusted the doctor and thought they were doing what's best for their kid. It's 100% that psychopathic selfish doctor's fault for using these poor kids as guinea pigs for his ridiculous experiment. Even the real life twins don't blame their parents.
Yeesh. I remember this. This is beyond messed up. Freud would’ve had a field day with this.
To be fair he was cray cray himself 😂😂
This is based on the Dr John Money / Reimer twins case. He was a horrible, evil man.
This episode was so crazy and awesome!!! Only SVU can have so many plot twists in a single episode. And the boy who played the twins was amazing!!! Sucks that Liv's old friend lost her medical license though.
For revealing? Looked like she really overstepped
@@fafster6439 Yeah. I agree 100%. That's how you know that she never really let go of being a cop.
She did exactly what Olivia would've done. Interfering without caring about the consequences.
Honestly, I kinda respect that.
one of the best episodes of the whole franchise! heartbreaking but somehow justice prevailed at the end.
💯%!!
Can you tell me what happened? I cant find the ending anywhere!
This was the very firsf episode of SVU I watched, I am hooked with the show since then. Even watched from Season 1 to current season.
That young kid is a good actor
Usually the acting is terrible especially a lot of the young child actors. However, this kid who played the dual roles of the twins was phenomenal!!!
Going to keep this PG.
This doctor is based on John Money, the father of gender identity. Money purposely botched the circumcision of one of two twins, and then insisted that the botched one should be raised as a girl, with his balls being chopped off as well. Money spent years in contact with the two boys, as their doctor, with the expectation that the botched one would become a legitimate girl.
At some point the botched one learned of what happened, and immediately rejected being a girl, going back to being a boy, even having artificial genitals surgically installed. Unfortunately the psychological harm done to him had done too much damage. He developed schizophrenia, and overdosed on anti-depressants. Years later his brother would shoot himself after living with his own issues.
John Money viewed this sick experiment as a success, and declared that gender can be taught.
It wasn’t Money who performed the circumcision, the parents brought him to Money after a different doctor botched it. He saw an opportunity to prove his theory, so he took it.
@@Sniperboy5551 I always thought he did it himself. Thanks for the correction. Still, Money was a sick man to say the absolute least.
Yep. This is literally how gender ideology started.
@@skyofthelivingdead except you'll note that he said the exact opposite of what we now know to be true - you can't train a kid to have a different gender identity, they are who they are from birth and that INCLUDES trans kids.
@@skyofthelivingdead Money tried to prove the *opposite* of what "gender ideology" preaches, specifically that gender *can't* be forced. Money's experiment failed because he tried to make a boy think he was a girl in the exact same was parents today send kids to conversion therapy to make them stop being trans.
Sad that this is based off of a true story(not the murder part). Happened at a time when certain surgery was easier than others. I also think it was pushed on the parents as a research thing. I think the Doctors and others had a interest in seeing if a twins gender was switched at birth if it would effect their development. Sad because the twin that was made to believe they were female struggled for years trying to understand why they liked Females etc. and the parents lied to them/led them on. Truly shameful.
john money. it's sad that so many in the comments misunderstood what his crimes were and what lesson to apply to the outcomes. john money believed that gender identity was a result of upbringing, and when the parents of twin boys were referred to him after one twin's circumcision was botched, he had the perfect guinea pigs to test his theory (twin studies are the gold standard in all forms of psych & medical research because every variable is identical). so he convinced the parents to let him surgically alter their son and raise him as a girl instead. but because gender identity is an innate and unchangeable quality, the poor kid grew up always feeling "off," not unlike how trans kids describe their first inklings that they're trans. so john money was completely backwards wrong about gender identity but too many take that to mean gender identity doesn't exist and trans kids have been taught to be trans.
We definitely want Stabler back on SVU than Organized Crime.
As far as I'm concerned, Stabler was meant for OC. Hopefully he stays until he retires.
Stabler sucks
@@slowazzd2165benson is worse
@@AndrewBarskybarsky is worse though
This episode was monumental in so many ways. The constant twists and turns blew me away. In the end, the twins stay united!
I've always thought the doctor (Blair) who knew and concealed the truth is the one who should have had his license revoked not the doctor (Hendricks) who told the truth. On the other hand, (9:35) Twins do share identical DNA but they don't have the same fingerprints, couldn't the forensic team just find out if one of the siblings left his fingerprints on the crime scene? is the latter a plot hole?
According to the video, there were no fingerprints.
No fingerprints, just DNA. Plenty of room for reasonable doubt.
I think you’d be able to just charge them both in a joint trial. They conspired to kill the doctor, that’s 1st degree murder regardless of if you held the weapon
they couldn't prove they planned it together. Then each took the blame and said the other had nothing to do with it.
the thing is, they have no way to prove conspiracy or co-planing.
The twis can just say "i am the innocent one, my brother leave during the movie, i have nothing to do with the murder"
The police has no way to say "they are lieying, they help each other", they need evidence that confirm both twins are on it and working together
There was a bank heist in Germany and the only real evidence they had was DNA from a glove. The guy had a twin so they were both acquitted. “Reasonable doubt” and all.
Reasonable doubt
Nope. Innocent until proven guilty. Can't prove guilt then both are innocent
They kept treating them like criminials, of course they are going to be defensive.
Another amazing episode.
This episode is so much more relevant today than when it originally aired.
even if they can't prove who is the murder, those twins can be charged both with accesory to murder, if they prove they were at the cinema together to cover each other.
Only ever seen this episode once, probably one of the top 10 I think of it you ask me about the show.
It was out there
This episode was ahead of its time
The way she hits Stabler really hard WOW
Kind of reminds me of the John Money case, sadly I don’t think he got arrested or even convicted. And the twins both killed themselves.
it was literally based on that case. every law & order episode is based on a real case.
This is one of those episodes that hit you hardest on you with all the problems that led to unnecessary suffering. Just like in real life.
Brilliant episode
Aside from the murder, I remember reading news article on this. This really happened. I knew the story before I saw the episode.
Well this was a wild one 😢😢
THIS STORTLINE HAS ALWAYS STAYED IN MY HEAD FOR YEARS AND I ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WAS CSI OR COLD CASE! DO YOU KNOW HOW HAPPY I AM TO FINALLY FIND OUT WHAT SHOW ITS FROM!!
This episode was so memorable. They did such a great job
This is a legendary episode. I'll never forget it.
Crazy episode
My twin and I were like that. At school, I was in the art room and fell off the stool and hurt my back my sister fell to the floor screaming in pain . We knew when each others children were born and I felt her death when she was killed in a car accident in 2018. I feel like a live walking dead woman. Nothing is real around me. Nothing
Should have been smarter about telling the kids by insisting the parents tell the within earshot of the kids and pretending you didn't know they were there would be safer for her career.
One of my favorite episodes, I remember thinking that if this were real life they'd be the first people in history to pull off the perfect crime.
This episode is still “scary” especially the ending, the thumbnail
It was honestly meant for the X Files than Law and Order.
How did this episode end?
@faryaalhanot police couldnt do anything they didnt cnow who did it it was such tragic and heartbreaking episode and horror part is lossely based on real case in new yourk the twins in that case commited suicide
This is so messed up
This is one of favorite epsiodes
This case is based on a true story.....did not end well😢
What was the real case
@hoshimaruhajime7933 The Reimer twins, except they ended themselves instead of someone else.
I felt so sorry for Luke-he was a victim from the beginning.
This episode was quite confusing and disturbing. At the end of it all you couldn't tell who is who.
The saddest part of this is that it’s based on real people
One of my favorite episodes
Wow what heck. As a parent I would not let doctors do that to my kids heck no god gave then what they got if they want to change let that from them not any one else
love this episode
i'm trying to find this episode,
anyone know the season & episode?
The start of this.
Everybody over here! We need more people to touch the evidence.
Honestly, this was a weird episode, but I still felt sorry for the twins.
So when the cops were interrogating the two children, where were their parents/lawyer?
This one was one of my favorite episodes.
Is this based on Dr Money? The real case is unbelievable! And both boys ended up k****** themselves 💔
This episode's plot was weird. I watched it many times in the past and was still confused how it jumped from the 'A' Plot to the 'B' Plot, even though they are connected together, somewhat.
There was a case of the botched circumcision decades ago and is probably what that part is based on.
The videos of the boy who was raised a girl show them almost looking brainwashed as they says things like “I like dolls”, “I am a girl”. The videos were done for the “experiment” rather than a documentary (but were used later in one). When they found out what happened they said they knew something wasn’t right as he’d always felt male and that the girly things that he was given didn’t feel right. He also went on to identify as a boy and had surgery. I don’t know how successful it was.
I’m glad to say (at least in the uk where my knowledge base comes from), that wouldn’t happen now due to current practice and agreements across the country. And advances in surgery too
Novak was like 'I ain't getting involved with this madness. Answer her/him, doc'
Obviously these events originate from real life crimes now which is hinders their theories about how they were made by their parents ego. Based on the facts of the case in the episode
This is such a serious topic but their secret language cracked me up bad
Is anyone else binge watching these episode snippets 😅
Crazy case. But with so much evidence and DNA, the DA should be able to do something. Conspiracy or something
Probably not. Either twin can easily say that their other twin just happened to wear similar clothing and they decided to go to a movie together.
@@andrewli6606 yea but with their DNA there and the video too. They could just charge the one with more motive tbh and see how that goes
@@fafster6439 and the twins could just sabotage each other trial, creaing the 50% chance of sending the worng one to prison.
in short terms the DA have no way to prove who did it. The judge who take the case will know that they are taking a case that is basically a coin flip, and lack definitive evidence. any Jury will need to take the decision knowing they can send the wrong person to prison,
@@fafster6439 can you imagine the Judge face?
Judge: so are you sure this person is the killer
DA: 50% sure.
Reasonable doubt. You can’t convict both of them.
neat little factoid, we can now tell the difference between twins through dna.
I remember this episode it was sick and twisted
Obviously the "big issue" talked about here was the forced gender-change... but what probably shocks me more is the customary circumcision. Why is it customary in America? It isn't based on religion, like in Jewish, Muslim, or Ethiopian communities. They just do it willy-nilly (pun not intended), even though almost no other western countries do it at birth. If they didn't circumcise Lindsey/Luke, none of this would have happened. WHY DO THEY CIRCUMCISE CHILDREN???
It’s nonconsensual and invasive. It should be outlawed on anyone under 16.
At least in America, I think it's because John Kellogg (of the cereal fame) said that circumcision would prevent boys from masturbating, so it became fairly customary for American families to get their sons circumcised. Then when masturbating stopped being the reason, they kept doing it because it was basically cultural. More than three-quarters of all American males are circumcised.
Funnily enough, South Korea has similar circumcision rates as America. It could be the American influence on them.
It was a product of its time. In Australia it is rarely performed these days (outside of religious dogma).
I am a Gen X guy and it was pretty much done on all of us when we were babies. Yes, I wish the choice had been left to me but it is what it is.
Circumcision is not a "customary" practice in the US, but offered as an option to parent of newborn boy. People have varying opinions, but most males who've been circumcised as infants are fine with their parents' decision, don't feel it was a major trauma. Adult men would only 'choose' circumcision to treat a medical problem, a major surgical procedure likely under general and regional anesthesia with physical trauma from the wound, severe pain and slower healing performed on an adult. For healthy baby boy having circ performed by qualified professional, whether or not for religious reasons, is generally not a problem for guys when they grow up and live as adults (and no extra cleaning needed). The likelihood of complications from circumcision is much less than the likelihood of a penile problem for men with foreskin (e.g. infection, phimosis, injury). Most uncirc'd dudes dont have major problems if they know how to take proper care of their member (and if they don't develop diabetes, get STD's, or become morbidly obese, which would increase risk of a complication from having foreskin).
@@zyrosqrd2552 In many European countries, as well as in China, Australia, and most First World nations, only about 2% of adult males require genital surgery, indicating that 98% remain healthy from birth to adulthood without circumcision. Despite this trend, the United States continues to support routine infant circumcision, often citing the argument that it's more complicated to perform as an adult. However, recent studies from China, Australia, and New Zealand have refuted this claim, demonstrating that surgery on newborns creates a higher rate of botched procedures compared to adult procedures and poses a greater risk of complications such as infection and urinary tract infections due to the nature of an early unsealed urethra.
With this argument debunked, there is no valid justification for subjecting the 98% of healthy males to circumcision. Claims suggesting a need for "extra cleaning" are unfounded, as natural newborns require only straightforward care, similar to girls. Superstitions surrounding smegma, a natural bodily secretion that appears in excess due to lack of hygiene, in both boys and girls, have led to misconceptions about genital hygiene, with some mistakenly attributing it to bacteria when it is simply excess oil.
Furthermore, there are two urological treatments available for the 2% of males who require surgery. For phimosis, studies show that 80% of severe cases can be resolved with topical steroid creams, minimizing the need for surgery. Yeast infections, though not specific to foreskin, can be easily avoided with basic hygiene practices, and most cases resolve on their own.
In conclusion, subjecting infants to unnecessary circumcision overlooks the fact that most infants grow up without any issues despite the procedure. The practice of performing this surgery on children offers no added benefits compared to adult circumcision and compromises the basic genital functions of healthy males. This widespread practice distorts the reality of when circumcision is required and disregards the straightforward care needed for a healthy, natural newborn. Surgically altering a child's body for perceived benefits, when none exist, is neither justifiable to modern standards nor ethical. The practise should be limited to purely practised in urology, as it has shown effective in.
Sister peg was one of my favorite Supporting characters in s v u why they had to kill end of season twelve.
3:44 Poor kid was so confused
never thought about how dna testing would be moot on an identical twin
SVU IS STILL MY FAVORITE OF ALL THE LAW AND ORDERS
this is one of my favorite episodes of all time ❤
This was such a messed up ep! Loved the original cast and stories . So much better.
My favorite episode
One day at lBHS school I was matching with my friend grace at lBHS was a producer for mamma Mia
The fact that this happens with intersex children, who are BORN wit both male and female parts, and the parents choose their gender for them and lie to them all their lives...
And for what? For them to have psychological and physiological trauma? Is that really worth people seeing them as a boy or girl?
5:13 what a brave girl ♡
What episode is rhis ?
A freak accident omg
Psychiatrists and Doctors many times become Drs in order to figure out what is wrong with themselves
Yeah, I thought they looked too much alike.
Some fraternal twins are strikingly familiar.
Oh yeah out fir the young actor in this show he did great as a double act
They killed the doctor in self defense!
True story. Really sad.
It’s not
@@Jewish.boy17 A set of twins were experimented with in a similar way and both committed suicide.
@@vingram100 no they weren’t there never been a case like this ever
I knew this would get weird. See ya!
Hmm, I wonder if the benefits of circumcision really outweigh the risks
If there is no issue, there is no benefit, and modern urology practise has demonstrated this time and time again. However Americans still believe they do a "favour" by giving their kids an "early surgery" despite the compromise. This does not align with reality, as in reality, 98% of males stay naturally healthy, without a problem. If girls know how to wash, boys can do it too, as they do in most of the world, except America for now haha.
I am incredibly grateful my parents decided to leave me uncut.
I have twins girls and they never had a secret language. They are 14 now. Maybe its because we speak 4 languages here.
Not all twins have one.
Anyone sorry about what happened to him??? I'm sure not!!!
I wonder which twin killed that doctor? I guess we will never know, will we?
Sometimes you side with the murderer
Parents requested his services and volunteered their child for his experiments. They are also to blame
@@fafster6439 yes, but for what we see, the parents have no insight to judge that what he was doing to the children was not "the defautl treatment" he just say "that is normal and that is necessary" and they buy it